To date, the team is making 36.5% of our 3-point shots and has an effective field goal percentage of 55.3% — good for 107th and 53rd in the country. If you took Katin's stats out of the equation, those numbers would be:
3PT%: 37.6 (89)
eFG%: 59.1 (17)
Katin's actually improved his 3-point shooting lately, and isn't taking quite so many shots. (He's now second to JaJuan in field goal attempts and to Sam in 3-point attempts). But unless he significantly improves both inside and outside the arc, he needs to shoot less and/or take better shots. The team will be better for it.
I will say that I like the energy and effort Katin brings to this team. He's posting career highs in offensive rebounding percentage, defensive rebounding percentage and steal percentage.
I can live with a handful of forced shots if Katin gets to the line 8 times.
Thank you for quantifying. This pretty much corroborates my thought that something - that should be there - is missing/lacking when he's on the floor. Hopefully he comes around in the next 16 days.
If he took what the defense gave him, it'd be much better. His free throws artificially inflated his eFG% last night. Those shots were terrible.
I like so much of what he brings, but we needed a defender and deferrer (probably not a word, oh well) in that role.
His play is on the coaching staff. They need to get him to understand the value of a possession and to take the right shots. I think at this point it feels like he's a hired gun. He just doesn't flow offensively with the rest of the team. Not sure how you fix that, but they need to before conference play.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2016, 09:08:03 AM
If he took what the defense gave him, it'd be much better. His free throws artificially inflated his eFG% last night. Those shots were terrible.
Wat?
Anyway, the guy is shooting 35% eFG%. That will improve. How much is the question.
"Katin Takes Terrible Shots to Get to the Free Throw Line" is this season's early leader for the "Henry Ellenson Only Get's Easy Rebounds Award."
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
"Katin Takes Terrible Shots to Get to the Free Throw Line" is this season's early leader for the "Henry Ellenson Only Get's Easy Rebounds Award."
Disagree, I'm with Brew on this one. Those drives were wild and he had absolutely no chance to make the shots. IUPUI and the refs bailed him out on a number of occasions.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 09:36:30 AM
Disagree, I'm with Brew on this one. Those drives were wild and he had absolutely no chance to make the shots. IUPUI and the refs bailed him out on a number of occasions.
Doesn't matter. He got to the line. And the refs didn't "bail him out." Those were legit fouls.
If a team is going to keep fouling you when you drive, you keep driving until they stop. Let's not over think this.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 23, 2016, 09:26:37 AM
Wat?
Anyway, the guy is shooting 35% eFG%. That will improve. How much is the question.
I think Brew is saying that if Katin hadn't gotten the fouls, he would have missed the shots, thus lowering the eFG%. Personally, I think as long as you draw the foul, you are forgiven. Keep that FTR up!
"Let's not over think this" just replaced "Katin takes terrible shots to get to the free throw line" in your competition.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
If a team is going to keep fouling you when you drive, you keep driving until they stop.
This.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
If a team is going to keep fouling you when you drive, you keep driving until they stop. Let's not over think this.
But what happens if you keep driving after they stop. Unless you've got Subaru's new Eyesight safety features, that isn't going to end well.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 23, 2016, 09:46:13 AMI think Brew is saying that if Katin hadn't gotten the fouls, he would have missed the shots, thus lowering the eFG%. Personally, I think as long as you draw the foul, you are forgiven. Keep that FTR up!
Assume he didn't get fouled and made every FG — he's 7 of 14. Fine. That's just one game. Katin would still be shooting under 35% for the season. He needs to improve that percentage or shoot less. Simple. If he doesn't, he'll limit our ceiling as a team.
Quote from: Benny B on November 23, 2016, 10:03:20 AM
But what happens if you keep driving after they stop. Unless you've got Subaru's new Eyesight safety features, that isn't going to end well.
Le Hook.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
"Katin Takes Terrible Shots to Get to the Free Throw Line" is this season's early leader for the "Henry Ellenson Only Get's Easy Rebounds Award."
Yeah. That worked against EEwee pewee. How will it work in BEast? Chuckers gotta chuck. And Wojo blesses it, because he doesn't take him out when the guy clangs a couple.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 23, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
Yeah. That worked against EEwee pewee. How will it work in BEast?
So Katin shouldn't drive to the hoop when it is working against IUPUI because it may not work in the BE?
Quote from: willie warrior on November 23, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
Yeah. That worked against EEwee pewee. How will it work in BEast? Chuckers gotta chuck. And Wojo blesses it, because he doesn't take him out when the guy clangs a couple.
Nobody should be taken out because they "clang a couple." And he was taken out in the second half when he took a bad shot. It's a process.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
Those were legit fouls.
Some were, some weren't. If you go flailing through the lane out of control, the refs aren't always going to give you the benefit of the doubt as they did last night. And IUPUI did him a favor by fouling him and bailing him out on shots that had no chance to go in.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 23, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
And Wojo blesses it, because he doesn't take him out when the guy clangs a couple.
I can say that this is patently false. Katin has ridden a lot of pine after bad shots. He sat for most of the Pitt and Michigan games.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Some were, some weren't. If you go flailing through the lane out of control, the refs aren't always going to give you the benefit of the doubt as they did last night. And IUPUI did him a favor by fouling him and bailing him out on shots that had no chance to go in.
But they DID foul him.
He was attacking the basket and positive results occurred. Really what is Wojo supposed to say here? "Look Katin, I know you keep getting fouled when you drive to the basket, but if they didn't foul you those shots weren't going to fall. So instead of attacking, just pass the ball to someone else."
No coach ever says this.
Katin has a lot of positives with one awful weakness....he's a chucker in his DNA. If he's making shots that's not as bad, but with the assets we have we need more of a Lockett than a Antonie Walker at the 4.
Thing that concerns me: through 5 games our least efficient offensive player is dominating the offense (25.9% of possessions with an eFG% of 35% and an oRtg of 87.7% - next lowest oRtg is Howard at 100.4)
Reasons to hope: Katin's historic eFG% is 45.8, 46.4, and 53.4....so if he gets back to his trend at has at least a 53.4 efficiency he deserves 25.9% of the possessions.
This is why I have been so focused on Wojo of late, this is entirely about the coaching staff having to find a way to maximize Katin's efficiency either by reducing his volume on offense or improving his offense or both. My opinion, of course, there are other philosophies I'd be open to someone walking me through.
IUPUI game showed signs of hope as Katin shared more than I've seen to date. We'll have to see if that continues.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 23, 2016, 10:51:08 AM
Katin has a lot of positives with one awful weakness....he's a chucker in his DNA. If he's making shots that's not as bad, but with the assets we have we need more of a Lockett than a Antonie Walker at the 4.
Thing that concerns me: through 5 games our least efficient offensive player is dominating the offense (25.9% of possessions with an eFG% of 35% and an oRtg of 87.7% - next lowest oRtg is Howard at 100.4)
Reasons to hope: Katin's historic eFG% is 45.8, 46.4, and 53.4....so if he gets back to his trend at has at least a 53.4 efficiency he deserves 25.9% of the possessions.
This is why I have been so focused on Wojo of late, this is entirely about the coaching staff having to find a way to maximize Katin's efficiency either by reducing his volume on offense or improving his offense or both. My opinion, of course, there are other philosophies I'd be open to someone walking me through.
IUPUI game showed signs of hope as Katin shared more than I've seen to date. We'll have to see if that continues.
I agree with everything you are saying here. I haven't been thrilled with the addition to say the least. But attacking the basket yesterday was the best thing he did on the floor.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 10:48:23 AM
But they DID foul him.
He was attacking the basket and positive results occurred. Really what is Wojo supposed to say here? "Look Katin, I know you keep getting fouled when you drive to the basket, but if they didn't foul you those shots weren't going to fall. So instead of attacking, just pass the ball to someone else."
No coach ever says this.
Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.
The rest of your post is a strawman.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
I agree with everything you are saying here. I haven't been thrilled with the addition to say the least. But attacking the basket yesterday was the best thing he did on the floor.
Agreed, he needs to attack more (he's not a 4 so when they guard him with a 4 he should beat them every time) share more and be more efficient with his 3 point shooting. Basically, everything that Ellenson should have been doing last year as well.
This whole "he shouldn't attack because he's drawing fouls that shouldn't be called thing" is crap. If he attacks this way in the BE and they don't call fouls guess what....adjust and attack differently so you do draw fouls.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 10:55:59 AM
Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.
The rest of your post is a strawman.
That's just crap. Were there bad calls by the officials, sure, but certainly no more than any game that happens. If the refs are going to give you calls, keep getting the calls. If they aren't giving you calls do something different.
Ultimately the result(consistently scoring points) determines whether it is a good strategy. (not talking about individual scoring actions, I'm talking about the trend)
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 10:55:59 AM
Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.
The rest of your post is a strawman.
Did he get fouled on his drives? Yes.
Did he hit his FTs? Yes.
Why do you have a problem with this?
Quit looking for things to complain about when it comes to Katin's game.
Wojo's talked repeated about offensive efficiency this season, from the open practice to postgame interviews. The facts are there for everyone to see: Katin is 2nd on the team in field goals attempted — but just 6th in field goals made. So I'm sure Wojo is aware of this and working with Katin on it.
Katin's career three-point percentage (36.7%) suggests he's capable of better from beyond the arc. Unfortunately, his career two-point percentage (40.8%) isn't as encouraging, although he was much better last year at USC (50.9%). And he is performing well in other areas: 2nd on the team in steals, 4th in offensive rebounds, 5th in defensive boards.
In addition to team rebounding and turnovers, Katin's shooting is something I'll be watching carefully over the next few games.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 10:55:59 AM
Yes, the defense played stupidly and the refs gave him the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't make them good decisions or shots.
That is simply false. Katin drove to the basket on four separate occasions in the first half and was fouled four times making 8 free throws. I don't care how out of control he might have been, if IUPUI is going to keep fouling him, he's gotta keep doing it. Those are good decisions.
I have literally never heard a coach complain about that.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 23, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
Did he get fouled on his drives? Yes.
Did he hit his FTs? Yes.
Why do you have a problem with this?
Quit looking for things to complain about when it comes to Katin's game.
Cause there is plenty legit stuff to complain about with his game a'imrite?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 10:19:49 AM
So Katin shouldn't drive to the hoop when it is working against IUPUI because it may not work in the BE?
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Bottom Line
1) Objective: Win this Game.
2) How: Whatever Works.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 23, 2016, 10:44:25 AM
I can say that this is patently false. Katin has ridden a lot of pine after bad shots. He sat for most of the Pitt and Michigan games.
Ok. I stand corrected. He rides the pines. He I 3rd on the team in minutes maybe 2nd. He is not wojo's boy. He has ridden "a lot of pine." You are always right.
Katin's jumpers are generally of the frustrating variety because they just don't feel like they're in the flow of the offense. If he stops missing bunnies at the rim, we'll see a bit of reversion to the mean. That said, we as a team (and especially Katin) need to finish stronger at the rim. Lots of layups missed on breakaways that should be flushed. JJJ seems to be the only one comfortable dunking.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 23, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
Did he get fouled on his drives? Yes.
Did he hit his FTs? Yes.
Why do you have a problem with this?
Quit looking for things to complain about when it comes to Katin's game.
It points to why his ORtg and eFg% and by far the lowest on the team-- bad shot selection and too often. A successful outcome in one instance does not mean it is a good long term approach. His numbers thus far, including the last game, bear this out.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
That is simply false. Katin drove to the basket on four separate occasions in the first half and was fouled four times making 8 free throws. I don't care how out of control he might have been, if IUPUI is going to keep fouling him, he's gotta keep doing it. Those are good decisions.
I have literally never heard a coach complain about that.
Again, a good outcome doesn't mean it was a good decision. If a quarterback repeatedly throws into triple coverage but completes a few, should he be encouraged to keep doing it? If a pitcher in baseball keeps hanging his curve ball but several batters miss it, should the pitching coach keep telling him to throw it? His stats so far are a pretty good indicator that he isn't taking good shots on a consistent basis.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 12:44:14 PM
It points to why his ORtg and eFg% and by far the lowest on the team-- bad shot selection and too often. A successful outcome in one instance does not mean it is a good long term approach. His numbers thus far, including the last game, bear this out.
His shot selection changed in the IUPUI game versus earlier games, especially Pitt and Michigan. He attacked more and jacked fewer 3s out of sync with the offense against IUPUI, which resulted in a better ORtg and eFG%, so you should be happen.
The stats don't care how he's generating the efficiency (better 3s, made lay-ups, hitting FTs, whatever). So you are actually arguing against yourself. There is no metric for the quality of the approach for long term sustained success that I'm aware of.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 12:48:59 PM
Again, a good outcome doesn't mean it was a good decision. If a quarterback repeatedly throws into triple coverage but completes a few, should he be encouraged to keep doing it? If a pitcher in baseball keeps hanging his curve ball but several batters miss it, should the pitching coach keep telling him to throw it? His stats so far are a pretty good indicator that he isn't taking good shots on a consistent basis.
Yes, when you get positive outcomes FOUR times when you drive the lane, it is by definition a good decision. This wasn't him driving into a lane with three bigs where he gets lucky. This was FOUR times.
You are right that his overall shot selection has been disappointing. But those drives aren't examples of poor shots.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 12:48:59 PM
Again, a good outcome doesn't mean it was a good decision. If a quarterback repeatedly throws into triple coverage but completes a few, should he be encouraged to keep doing it? If a pitcher in baseball keeps hanging his curve ball but several batters miss it, should the pitching coach keep telling him to throw it? His stats so far are a pretty good indicator that he isn't taking good shots on a consistent basis.
Bad analogies....more appropriate for your argument would be the quarterback chucking deep balls repeatedly trying to draw PA flags after it happened at least twice already or a pitcher pitching low as the umpire has been calling low strikes early in the game.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 23, 2016, 12:52:05 PM
The stats don't care how he's generating the efficiency (better 3s, made lay-ups, hitting FTs, whatever). So you are actually arguing against yourself. There is no metric for the quality of the approach for long term sustained success that I'm aware of.
That's the point, though, the stats show he is generating
inefficiency. My point is that it is based on frequent poor shot selection; my opinion is that his shot selection wasn't much better in the last game and he was fortunate to get the fouls & calls that he did. Most others disagree. We'll see how it plays out in the future, though if Marquette is going to do well in conference and non-cupcake games, Reinhardt is going to have to significantly improve his efficiency.
Sorry, Sultan, but I have to call you out on your BS here. First of all, in my amateur, not-a-coach opinion, we score in three different ways:
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- Making the extra pass for a set shot. Usually involves pass-pass-shoot and a corner three, but sometimes set shots off one pass if a guy is wide open.
- Cutters driving to the rim. We pass around to find a good perimeter shot, but when they aren't emerging, one of the wings or bigs cuts to the hoop for an entry pass and easy bucket.
- Driving around a screen using athleticism and speed to get a lay-up at the rim.
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So the argument would go that Reinhardt was playing fine because he was driving and getting free throws, right? Not so much. What he was doing wasn't using a screen or working off multiple passes, it was putting his head down, plowing into a defender, and hoping for a call while throwing up a wild shot that had no chance of scoring. Another word for that would be "hero ball". So what was it you said about "hero ball" the other night?
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Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 18, 2016, 08:32:53 AM**The offense just breaks down into hero ball. If you are a small team that relies on shooting, you have to run something to create those shots. That takes time and patience. But these guys get going too fast and simply play frantic. I know you want to push the pace, but there is a time and a place for that. NOT when you are in the half court.
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He wasn't running anything. He wasn't using time or demonstrating patience. He was playing fast and frantic and happened to get lucky. Like you said, there's no place for that in the half-court set. Sure, it worked against IUPUI, but if he tries that crap against Yante Matin, Ethan Happ, or any of the trees he'll see in the Big East, they'll smack his ass to the floor and we'll be sprinting back to defend a 5-on-4 break because Reinhardt is still busy recovering from getting steamrolled.
You need to practice how you play. Like it or not, these games are essentially practice for what we will be dealing with the rest of the year, and this crap simply won't fly at a higher level. Dude got lucky and got bailed out on wild-ass hero ball drives, but the reality is the crap he was doing most of the first half was the same crap that cost us the Pitt game in the second half. He wasn't playing under control and he absolutely wasn't playing in the flow of the offense.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
Yes, when you get positive outcomes FOUR times when you drive the lane, it is by definition a good decision. This wasn't him driving into a lane with three bigs where he gets lucky. This was FOUR times.
You are right that his overall shot selection has been disappointing. But those drives aren't examples of poor shots.
So if a pitcher hangs four breaking balls but none result in hits then they were good pitches?
It's not lucky when you get positive outcomes four times in a 12 minute stretch. It's smart basketball. Force the defense to adjust.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 01:04:50 PM
So if a pitcher hangs four breaking balls but none result in hits then they were good pitches?
That's baseball. Not basketball. Poor analogy.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 01:08:35 PM
That's baseball. Not basketball. Poor analogy.
Sure. Okay. If JJJ hits four shots from behind the backboard, should he be encouraged to keep throwing them up there? If Rowsey hits four 3's from well beyond the NBA 3 point line, should he be encouraged to keep launching from there? Does success in those instances make them good or efficient decisions going forward?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 01:08:04 PM
It's not lucky when you get positive outcomes four times in a 12 minute stretch. It's smart basketball. Force the defense to adjust.
It's the same out-of-control hero ball you decried the other night. It's trying to make a play outside the framework of the offense like you decried the other night. It seems disingenuous to say it's a good idea when it works and a bad idea when it doesn't.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 01:11:32 PM
Sure. Okay. If JJJ hits four shots from behind the backboard, should he be encouraged to keep throwing them up there?
No. Because that's not good basketball. Driving the lanes and repeatedly drawing fouls is a GOOD THING! That's what you want. Coaches actually encourage that.
Now it obviously isn't going to work against teams like UW, but it was against IUPUI.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
It's the same out-of-control hero ball you decried the other night. It's trying to make a play outside the framework of the offense like you decried the other night. It seems disingenuous to say it's a good idea when it works and a bad idea when it doesn't.
It wasn't the same. It was successful FOUR TIMES!!! Therefore it was smart basketball.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 01:15:26 PM
No. Because that's not good basketball. Driving the lanes and repeatedly drawing fouls is a GOOD THING! That's what you want. Coaches actually encourage that.
Personally, I think there's a big difference between driving the lane with no chance of scoring outside the flow of the offense and driving the lane around a planned screen when you are able to get a clean look at the hoop.
What we saw from Katin last night as opposed to what we see regularly from Jajuan are diametrically opposed events. Just because he got positive results doesn't mean they should be integrated into the offense or that they are part of what the offense intends to do.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Personally, I think there's a big difference between driving the lane with no chance of scoring outside the flow of the offense and driving the lane around a planned screen when you are able to get a clean look at the hoop.
What we saw from Katin last night as opposed to what we see regularly from Jajuan are diametrically opposed events. Just because he got positive results doesn't mean they should be integrated into the offense or that they are part of what the offense intends to do.
I disagree with that. I think Wojo is pleased that Katin kept driving the lane and drawing fouls. It won't work against everybody, but the players have to be smart enough to recognize that. When it does work, you should keep doing it.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Some were, some weren't. If you go flailing through the lane out of control, the refs aren't always going to give you the benefit of the doubt as they did last night. And IUPUI did him a favor by fouling him and bailing him out on shots that had no chance to go in.
The airballed Eurostep layup in traffic against Pitt comes to mind
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Personally, I think there's a big difference between driving the lane with no chance of scoring outside the flow of the offense and driving the lane around a planned screen when you are able to get a clean look at the hoop.
What we saw from Katin last night as opposed to what we see regularly from Jajuan are diametrically opposed events. Just because he got positive results doesn't mean they should be integrated into the offense or that they are part of what the offense intends to do.
He drove to the lane and scored 8 points in doing so. He missed a couple in close but on one of them, he got the rebound and was fouled. He also hit 40% of his 3s in the game (2-5).
I definitely call into question Katin's shot selection from time to time. After all, he's a so-called "volume scorer." However, to call out his aggressiveness which resulted in him consistently getting to the FT line is ridiculous. He had 10 field goal attempts and scored 16 points. I'd take 1.6 PPS every game. Would you not?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 01:15:26 PMNow it obviously isn't going to work against teams like UW, but it was against IUPUI.
If you know it won't work most of the time and is outside the natural flow of the offense, why would you want to encourage that? So hero ball is okay against IUPUI but not against UW? Well if they get used to it working against one team, won't that lead to even more of it the next time out?
It wasn't hero ball. It was in the flow of the offense.
Really if you were Wojo you wouldn't be pleased with that?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2016, 01:36:51 PM
If you know it won't work most of the time and is outside the natural flow of the offense, why would you want to encourage that? So hero ball is okay against IUPUI but not against UW? Well if they get used to it working against one team, won't that lead to even more of it the next time out?
Each game has a different gameplan because each opponent is different. Imagine that! If a player can drive to the rim against a team, he should. If the lanes are not there, he shouldn't. If MU was playing a team with no one over 6'4", should they not repeatedly feed the ball to Fischer because that wouldn't work against UW or Villanova?
Also, Katin is not a toddler. He's not going to think that getting away with something once means that he's going to be able to do it all the time.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 23, 2016, 01:15:26 PM
No. Because that's not good basketball.
And my argument is that driving down the lane out of control with the only successful outcome being if you get fouled because your shot has zero chance of actually going in is not good basketball either.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 23, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
Ok. I stand corrected. He rides the pines. He I 3rd on the team in minutes maybe 2nd. He is not wojo's boy. He has ridden "a lot of pine." You are always right.
He's fourth in minutes actually. Go back and look at the play by plays. Katin gets yanked after almost every bad shot.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 23, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
He's fourth in minutes actually. Go back and look at the play by plays. Katin gets yanked after almost every bad shot.
You and your silly facts.
It's a lot more fun to just pull stuff out of your ass and base your arguments on that rather than be constrained by reality.
What I'm most concerned about right now isn't Katin's shot selection. It's his shot.
He wasn't automatically shooting every time he got the ball. Probably forced a couple passes, but he's trying to find the open man. I thought every one of his three point attempts tonight was a really good look, several practically uncontested. But his feet look all wrong to me and most of his threes were well off line.
Hopefully Katin can figure it out. We need him to be able to knock down open shots.
Katin is a perfect 14/14 on free throws. WHERE IS THE PRAISE FOR SAVING THIS TEAM??
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 26, 2016, 09:55:41 PM
Katin is a perfect 14/14 on free throws. WHERE IS THE PRAISE FOR SAVING THIS TEAM??
Don't matter, hey?
Quote from: Marcus92 on November 26, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
What I'm most concerned about right now isn't Katin's shot selection. It's his shot.
He wasn't automatically shooting every time he got the ball. Probably forced a couple passes, but he's trying to find the open man. I thought every one of his three point attempts tonight was a really good look, several practically uncontested. But his feet look all wrong to me and most of his threes were well off line.
Hopefully Katin can figure it out. We need him to be able to knock down open shots.
I have never seen a player who needs a shot to go in more than Katin. At least in the second half all of his looks were wide open. No bad shots. He just couldn't buy a bucket.
Quote from: Marcus92 on November 26, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
What I'm most concerned about right now isn't Katin's shot selection. It's his shot.
It's the frequency/usage for me. Only 2 fewer attempts than Cheatham in 36 fewer minutes.
He doesn't have to be The Man on offense. Unlike when Duane and Carlino were the only guys that could score consistently, Reinhardt has at least 7 other players around him that could go off for 20+ on any given night.
I am not a Katin fan... just because every time he has the ball, I scream NOOO so loudly internally.
Having said that, looking at past stats he can surely light it up. Is it possible Wojo is looking at these cupcakes and telling Katin to shoot, try and encourage him to find his groove and shoot out of his funk?
I hope so, otherwise he is going rogue.
Kaitin yesterday......24 min 2-8 FG 0-6 3 pts 2 rebs 0 asts 4 fouls 6 points.
Season 16-58 FG 28% 7-28 3 pts 25% tied for most TOs at 10.
14-14 from the line.
Yeah, his Value Add was 0.80 as a freshman, 2.02 as a soph and 2.76 as a junior, so he was on pace for a 3.0 in the current version 3 at www.valueaddbasketball.com. That is the dividing line of a solid starter vs. a reserve. That would make him the 6th most valuable player on the team behind Cheatham (improves MU by 8.15 points per game), Fischer 7.14, JJJ 6.44, Wilson 4.20 and Hauser 3.87.
However, so far he is just worth 1.11 additional points per game due to the poor shooting. Based on how few games he has played, I would be bullish on him being a key player during the season.
While his effective Field Goal % is a miserable 33% for us - look at his line only against Tier A opponents with the toughest defenses in the country his first three years - 46.8% as a fresh at UNLV, 56.1% and 50.8%. He will be a strong contributor, and based on looking solid in close losses against Utah in the Pac-12 tournament and Providence in the NCAA, he will be key as our only player who has been in an NCAA tournament game.
Quote from: auburnmarquette on November 27, 2016, 09:37:25 PMWhile his effective Field Goal % is a miserable 33% for us - look at his line only against Tier A opponents with the toughest defenses in the country his first three years - 46.8% as a fresh at UNLV, 56.1% and 50.8%. He will be a strong contributor, and based on looking solid in close losses against Utah in the Pac-12 tournament and Providence in the NCAA, he will be key as our only player who has been in an NCAA tournament game.
Watching Katin struggle so much with his shooting is frustrating. But I'd happily accept some ups and downs during the non-conference slate (even against UW) if Katin finds his form and becomes a trusted sharpshooter in time for the Big East conference schedule.