1. Wojo apparently had a message to send.
2. Apparently the upperclassmen listened.
3. Consistent unselfish ball movement, consistent defensive effort all night.
4. Luke played hard, blocked some shots, still lost his man in the pick and roll.
5. Heldt did not play like bambi on roller skates tonight.
6. Having both bigs in foul trouble against IUPUI. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
7. KR did play better, but his nature is still that of an unrepentant gunner.
8. I want to see Rowsey raining 3's. He's dead on-line, but consistently short.
9. I like the line change substitutions.
10. Needed this cupcake to reset the attitude. It did the job.
Y'all happy now, hey?
Need to be careful not to read to much into a cupcake game. Good practice game against a team ranked 169 by Pomeroy... It is a start.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
Y'all happy now, hey?
I'm not unhappy. I'm glad Wojo upset the bottle of sand, I'm glad he spread the minutes out and punished defensive lapses. Some defensive nits to pick (and roll....and another basket for IUPUI). Good shooting (created by good ball movement) covers up some bad defense.
Quote from: Class71 on November 22, 2016, 08:41:24 PM
Need to be careful not to read to much into a cupcake game. Good practice game against a team ranked 169 by Pomeroy... It is a start.
I believe Pomeroy had us winning by 15. That's pretty solid.
Quote from: tower912 on November 22, 2016, 08:31:45 PM
6. Having both bigs in foul trouble against IUPUI. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
This was unsettling. Loved Hauser's effort when we had to go small (pulled down 9 boards), but that's not a good backup plan against Big East teams.
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7. KR did play better, but his nature is still that of an unrepentant gunner.
8. I want to see Rowsey raining 3's. He's dead on-line, but consistently short.
It seems like a lot of the scorers got the message to move the ball and were more selective in their shots (Fischer 6-6, Cheatham 7-9, Johnson 5-7, Wilson 6-7). Then you have the 3-10 from Reinhardt. Somewhat forgivable with the 8-8 from the line. Rowsey also won't go 1-5 every day, and only one was a bad take.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
It's IUPUI - it's IUPUI
Could be worse. We could be down at the half to IPFW, kinda like It's Indiana, It's Indiana, ai'na?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
It's IUPUI - it's IUPUI
They had some very athletic kids. So although it was a cakewalk it was a good cupcake to play against. Any victory is sweet.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400917885
Box.
Quote from: chapman on November 22, 2016, 08:49:38 PMThen you have the 3-10 from Reinhardt. Somewhat forgivable with the 8-8 from the line.
My problem was that his trips to the line came on mostly out of control, bad shots. I felt like tonight, 2/3 of the seniors got the message. Reinhardt, not so much.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 22, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
They had some very athletic kids. So although it was a cakewalk it was a good cupcake to play against. Any victory is sweet.
Ron Patterson was a guy Buzz recruited after he was Newbilled at Indiana.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 22, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
Ron Patterson was a guy Buzz recruited after he was Newbilled at Indiana.
I totally forgot he was there. Wasn't he also committed to Syracuse at one point?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 22, 2016, 09:09:18 PM
I totally forgot he was there. Wasn't he also committed to Syracuse at one point?
He ended up choosing Syracuse over Marquette after the IU "incident." Buzz had an in home with him.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 22, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
Ron Patterson was a guy Buzz recruited after he was Newbilled at Indiana.
That guy was a player.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 22, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
That guy was a player.
http://dailyorange.com/2015/04/ron-pattersons-father-explains-sons-transfer-to-iupui-names-other-schools-interested/
"After playing sparingly as a freshman, Patterson averaged 2.6 points, 1.7 assists and 0.9 rebounds in 13.9 minutes per game as a sophomore. He was banned by head coach Jim Boeheim from shooting 3s partway through conference play, as he shot 17.3 percent from beyond the arc."
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 22, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
http://dailyorange.com/2015/04/ron-pattersons-father-explains-sons-transfer-to-iupui-names-other-schools-interested/
"After playing sparingly as a freshman, Patterson averaged 2.6 points, 1.7 assists and 0.9 rebounds in 13.9 minutes per game as a sophomore. He was banned by head coach Jim Boeheim from shooting 3s partway through conference play, as he shot 17.3 percent from beyond the arc."
Haha!
You could completely make up a "recruit" or a guy that Wojo "missed" on and I'm 98.7% sure MUFNY would chime in that he's a "player" and Wojo mishandled something along the way.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on November 22, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
http://dailyorange.com/2015/04/ron-pattersons-father-explains-sons-transfer-to-iupui-names-other-schools-interested/
"After playing sparingly as a freshman, Patterson averaged 2.6 points, 1.7 assists and 0.9 rebounds in 13.9 minutes per game as a sophomore. He was banned by head coach Jim Boeheim from shooting 3s partway through conference play, as he shot 17.3 percent from beyond the arc."
Well, I think now we all understand MUFNY's frame of reference a little better
Luke, Duane and JJJ shot it 19 times and scored 35 points - unreal efficiency. Rest of the team? Meh.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 22, 2016, 09:26:34 PM
Luke, Duane and JJJ shot it 19 times and scored 35 points - unreal efficiency. Rest of the team? Meh.
You forgot Haanif's 22 points on 11 shots and Cam's and Matt's combining for 4 points on 1 shot. Sam's 8 on 6 shots isn't bad either.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2016, 09:23:42 PM
Haha!
You could completely make up a "recruit" or a guy that Wojo "missed" on and I'm 98.7% sure MUFNY would chime in that he's a "player" and Wojo mishandled something along the way.
The guy had a couple of decent plays tonight. That is all I was saying. #22 looked like he had some ability as well.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 22, 2016, 09:04:25 PM
My problem was that his trips to the line came on mostly out of control, bad shots. I felt like tonight, 2/3 of the seniors got the message. Reinhardt, not so much.
He only draws the easy contact fouls (teal)
seriously, I get what your saying but if he and the coaches see matchups are favorable for him to drive and draw contact, as long as it's being called, why not? Gets to the line and gets them in foul trouble. I agree he is not shy about getting his shots...and some are unnerving...but this board (not you) is ripping on him nonstop even when he makes stuff happen.
I assume Wojo will tank him from the game if he feels he is a liability. He strikes me as a guy who does other things to make positive impact (rebounds, defense,etc) but since he does "chuck it" he gets extra scrutiny...it seems.
Enjoyable. Loved every minute.
so this wojo dude-back in good graces, eYn'A?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2016, 09:30:53 PM
You forgot Haanif's 22 points on 11 shots and Cam's and Matt's combining for 4 points on 1 shot. Sam's 8 on 6 shots isn't bad either.
Haanif had 16 on 11 shots (very good), Sam 8 on 6 (good), Cam and Matt lol - but Luke, Duane and JJJ were outstanding!
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on November 22, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
He only draws the easy contact fouls (teal)
seriously, I get what your saying but if he and the coaches see matchups are favorable for him to drive and draw contact, as long as it's being called, why not? Gets to the line and gets them in foul trouble. I agree he is not shy about getting his shots...and some are unnerving...but this board (not you) is ripping on him nonstop even when he makes stuff happen.
I assume Wojo will tank him from the game if he feels he is a liability. He strikes me as a guy who does other things to make positive impact (rebounds, defense,etc) but since he does "chuck it" he gets extra scrutiny...it seems.
I hear ya, and I don't mean to bash him constantly. But I think it's a number of things. First, his defense, while reliable, is rarely eye catching. No big blocks like Wade, steals like McNeal, or authoritative rebounds like Henry.
Tonight, he drew those fouls coming in the direction of my section. Each time he went in I felt it was out of control and I was never surprised when the shots careened off the backboard or off the bottom of the rim. Those whistles felt like gifts.
I don't hate his entire game. I've been impressed with his rebounding effort (considering his reputation) and feel he has a good looking stroke, but really needs to learn to play within the system and just because he made one extra pass doesn't mean he can't make a second.
Quote from: chapman on November 22, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
It seems like a lot of the scorers got the message to move the ball and were more selective in their shots (Fischer 6-6, Cheatham 7-9, Johnson 5-7, Wilson 6-7). Then you have the 3-10 from Reinhardt. Somewhat forgivable with the 8-8 from the line. Rowsey also won't go 1-5 every day, and only one was a bad take.
I actually thought Reinhart got the message just fine. He didn't jack up a bunch of first-touch 3s, he moved the ball some (3 assists), he even dove on the floor a couple of times for the ball.
I loved Howard's dive to the floor. Set a nice tone fairly early. We won most of the 50/50 battles, and that's something that hasn't always been the case -- but should be!
While watching the game, I said, "You know who's really having a nice game? Duane." And the box score confirms what we saw: 13 pts on 5-6 shooting, including a couple of very nice aggressive drives; team-high 6 assists; team-high 3 steals; 0 TOs; played very much under control.
Nice bounce-back game for JJJ, too. He was awful against Pitt but was sweet tonight.
Haani ... nice!
- Highest offensive efficiency game in 3+ seasons
- Formula of high tempo, high eFG%, and low turnover rate achieved. Check
- Season ticket holder Snugli was a nice furry bling surprise
- Fans loudly calling out Katin as a chucker early on. Odd
- Although it is break, two students in bleachers behind the basket at tip. Filled in later.
- Nice sharing of the ball. Wojo and most Scoopers still not happy with defense.
- Spirit Squad vastly improved
- The team, band, Dance Squad, ushers, and Sweater Vesties have new uniforms in past five years. Cheerleaders need a change up this century.
I don't really want to use this term, but should Marquette go "ND" this season? Really not try hard on defense and try and outscore everyone? They have as much offensive talent as any MU team since '12.
Saw a lot of great ball movement. Duane specifically stood out to me. Still, its a cupcake. A low fat cupcake but a cupcake, can't get too worked up.
Oh...and that Deon Franklin block. Daaayuuuum.
We could've lost to IUPUI like IU did to IPFW...
First time I've seen the team live this season.
Fisher Cheatham were sharp/dominant
JJ and Duane looked like they belonged.
The others are collectively at best a work in progress and not impressive didn't pass my eye test.
Rowsley and Howard (and for that matter Carter) are even smaller in person tough to play 2 of them together even against a mid major let alone big east competition.
Fun to score 100+
Still gave up 79points to areally bad team, defense continues to be horrible
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 23, 2016, 12:17:21 AM
Still gave up 79points to areally bad team, defense continues to be horrible
Not saying defense was amazing but keep in mind game had a lot of possessions so score can be a bit deceiving.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
- Highest offensive efficiency game in 3+ seasons
- Formula of high tempo, high eFG%, and low turnover rate achieved. Check
- Season ticket holder Snugli was a nice furry bling surprise
- Fans loudly calling out Katin as a chucker early on. Odd
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- Although it is break, two students in bleachers behind the basket at tip. Filled in later.
- Nice sharing of the ball. Wojo and most Scoopers still not happy with defense.
- Spirit Squad vastly improved
- The team, band, Dance Squad, ushers, and Sweater Vesties have new uniforms in past five years. Cheerleaders need a change up this century.
On TV the BC looked empty.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 23, 2016, 12:17:21 AM
Still gave up 79points to areally bad team, defense continues to be horrible
Yes and no. 41.2 % shooting from the field, 30% from 3. Gave up 68 shots. 79 points was as much a product of tempo as defensive lapses.
Quote from: chapman on November 22, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
This was unsettling. Loved Hauser's effort when we had to go small (pulled down 9 boards), but that's not a good backup plan against Big East teams.
It seems like a lot of the scorers got the message to move the ball and were more selective in their shots (Fischer 6-6, Cheatham 7-9, Johnson 5-7, Wilson 6-7). Then you have the 3-10 from Reinhardt. Somewhat forgivable with the 8-8 from the line. Rowsey also won't go 1-5 every day, and only one was a bad take.
Rinehart is a lost cause
It was fun playing against a team that had no interest in running the shot clock down to zero.
My thoughts.
Offense very, very good. Loved the unselfish passing, though I suspect we were able to do that because of the opponent.
Defense still bad other than a 5 or so minute stretch in the first half when we took control. Too many lay-ups, dunks, wide open 3s.
Luke has to stop fouling off the ball. Heldt is a fouling machine, but that first half post move was nice. He doesn't move like a basketball player, but Heldt has very good hands. I think he will be useful.
Wow, I'm seldom the Debbie Downer of the board, particularly after a 25 point win, but I didn't think we played particularly well despite the final score.
* Thought the defense, particularly the interior defense, was pretty awful again, but it was covered up by the fact that IUPUI's defense was more horrendous when they even bothered to play defense at all. They seemed to be able to drive inside at will, they simply couldn't finish at the rate a good team would. And nine fouls on Fischer and Heldt?!??
* Reinhardt still frequently decides he is going to shoot when he gets the ball regardless of whether he is open. You can visible see when he gets the ball what he has already decided.
* Same to a lesser extent for JJJ. He decides he is going to drive whether it is there or not. Against a crap defense and lesser athletes like IUPUI you can get away with that, but not against good teams.
* Carter is still highly turnover prone and still is poor at feeding the post
To balance the ledger:
* Duane with his best game in a long time-- very nice to see
* Haanif with another excellent all-around game
I know a 25 point win should be more satisfying, just didn't think we played any better than we did vs. Pitt
Post on this message board re: Patterson from 5.5+ years ago...
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 02, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
Patterson is good, not great. Could turn into a very good player. Settles a lot, although he's not close to an elite shooter. Can do multiple things though.. solid overall, not great. Could be pretty good, but I'm not sold.
btw... Eron Harris (2012) who has run with these kids for Indiana Elite is a nice looking player. If he winds up at a mid major, he may be the man on a team. Not a strong frame, but long and athletic. Drills open deep balls with ease and can attack to the rim or pull up for the j. Active on defense... looks close to 6'4" to me.. fairly versatile. I wonder if a bigger school doesn't eventually snatch him up... so far it's just been mid-majors I think.. but I like the kid a lot (more than any of those I4 jagoffs).
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 23, 2016, 07:37:40 AM
Wow, I'm seldom the Debbie Downer of the board, particularly after a 25 point win, but I didn't think we played particularly well despite the final score.
* Thought the defense, particularly the interior defense, was pretty awful again, but it was covered up by the fact that IUPUI's defense was more horrendous when they even bothered to play defense at all. They seemed to be able to drive inside at will, they simply couldn't finish at the rate a good team would. And nine fouls on Fischer and Heldt?!??
* Reinhardt still frequently decides he is going to shoot when he gets the ball regardless of whether he is open. You can visible see when he gets the ball what he has already decided.
* Same to a lesser extent for JJJ. He decides he is going to drive whether it is there or not. Against a crap defense and lesser athletes like IUPUI you can get away with that, but not against good teams.
* Carter is still highly turnover prone and still is poor at feeding the post
To balance the ledger:
* Duane with his best game in a long time-- very nice to see
* Haanif with another excellent all-around game
I know a 25 point win should be more satisfying, just didn't think we played any better than we did vs. Pitt
Hmmm.
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2016, 09:44:36 AM
Hmmm.
Hey, I know. I'm usually the optimistic sort. Just thought our defensive deficiencies were simply covered up by IUPUI's much horribly worse defense.
BUT WE WON!
Is everyone else as impressed as I am with Deon Franklin's fouls per minute metric. Including Rockhurst - 6 mins with 5 fouls.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
We could've lost to IUPUI like IU did to IPFW...
Crean sucks
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 23, 2016, 11:20:30 AM
Is everyone else as impressed as I am with Deon Franklin's fouls per minute metric. Including Rockhurst - 6 mins with 5 fouls.
Shows that Heldt is actually a slacker in this department
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 23, 2016, 11:20:30 AM
Is everyone else as impressed as I am with Deon Franklin's fouls per minute metric. Including Rockhurst - 6 mins with 5 fouls.
I really like him, because he goes after everything. The play of the game was when he thought he drew a charge. Ran down the court and got congratulated by Wojo only to find out they called the foul on him.
this was a game that reminded me of westhead's "run n gun". IUPUI was a team we could do this against. so we did. if you were looking for a balanced defense to go with the offense, this was not the game for you. wojo's game plan was gogogogogogo. will this work with all of our games-nope. next up-houston baptist-wojo will probably employ much of the same-just win baby. with the exception of michigan and pitt, we could/can get away with the run n gun...so far. as for when we get into the meat and potatoes of the big east, wojo better have a plan "B"
the testers will come when we have to match up to bigger teams. well, we can't. so we have to beat them with what we can do best and that's what i hope they are working on. they have to get more consistent from the 3 or they will get killed. unless we can play D like fort wayne did the other night against tommy tanning bed. fort wayne was held to what? in the last 9 minutes when they held a 12 point lead...all they did was pass it around the perimeter until they found the open dude outside the arc. we are a much better shooting team than fort wayne
when we are going thru a cold spell from the 3, pls don't let reinhart try to pull us out of it-that's when we go down by 15. our first snipers should be doogie or duane or rousey, maybe cam off the bench before katin.
Wow, bunch of curmudgeons on this board. LOL
Quote from: bilsu on November 23, 2016, 03:57:46 PM
I really like him, because he goes after everything. The play of the game was when he thought he drew a charge. Ran down the court and got congratulated by Wojo only to find out they called the foul on him.
When the season is over, I hope that doesn't end up having been my favorite play of the entire season, but it's No. 1 right now. I was laughing my keister off!