Many years Duke and UNC can make the Final Four without leaving the state of North Carolina. And since the sites are so close, they are playing de facto home games.
Now that the state is banned from hosting post season NCAA games how much of a difference will this make on their post-season fortunes?
Note: Do not want this to be a political discussion on the reason why. Start another thread if you want to discuss that. (So Rocky can lock that one, not this one)
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NCAA to relocate championships from North Carolina for 2016-17
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-relocate-championships-north-carolina-2016-17
Based on the NCAA's commitment to fairness and inclusion, the Association will relocate all seven previously awarded championship events from North Carolina during the 2016-17 academic year. The NCAA Board of Governors made this decision because of the cumulative actions taken by the state concerning civil rights protections.
In its decision Monday, the Board of Governors emphasized that NCAA championships and events must promote an inclusive atmosphere for all college athletes, coaches, administrators and fans. Current North Carolina state laws make it challenging to guarantee that host communities can help deliver on that commitment if NCAA events remained in the state, the board said.
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on September 13, 2016, 03:34:23 PM
Many years Duke and UNC can make the Final Four without leaving the state of North Carolina. And since the sites are so close, they are playing de facto home games.
How many times has Duke or UNC "made the Final four without leaving the state of North Carolina?" Ever?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on September 13, 2016, 03:36:26 PM
How many times has Duke or UNC "made the Final four without leaving the state of North Carolina?" Ever?
UNC in 82 and 2008 as far as I can tell. So, twice in 35 seasons.
But don't use facts, just trust me, it happens all the time.
Lack of consistency in thought. Teams are still allowed to play games where they earn the right to a home game. Hence, NCAA is taking this action for purely political reasons.
NCAA should be abandoned. Let the leagues and Networks run college sports.
The decision will hurt Duke and UNC.
Their fans will still travel en masse to Atlanta, Charleston, Richmond and other East coast tournament games. So the on-court impact will likely be minimal. The far bigger blow is to Carolina pride and bottom-line revenue for the universities and the state.
The NCAA tournament is one of the nation's biggest sporting events. Simply hosting a regional generates around $20 million for the local economy. The Final Four can bring in a haul of $300 million — bigger than the NCAA football championship. Not to mention all the free publicity for the host city.
State and university officials are loathe to give up that kind of revenue. It's not like they have millions of unused dollars lying around just waiting to be spent. Something's got to give. It promises to be very interesting.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/simonogus/2016/03/17/the-economic-impact-of-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament-from-first-four-to-final-four/#58fd1e78d438
http://azbigmedia.com/ab/college-football-playoff-273-6m-economic-impact
NCAA should stay out of it-PERIOD
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 13, 2016, 07:20:31 PM
NCAA should stay out of it-PERIOD
Why? They are a private organization. They can do what they want.
This is an NCAA action I actually approve of!
More unisex toilets, hey?
The organization I worked for moved their big annual conference out of Raleigh because of HB2. Cost them a crapload of cancellation fees, but they felt it is the right thing to do (and the organization itself is very apolitical).
It got moved to Cleveland. Sounds like a letdown, but on the upside, we are having a kickass party in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
This decision is gay
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on September 13, 2016, 03:36:26 PM
How many times has Duke or UNC "made the Final four without leaving the state of North Carolina?" Ever?
2016 UNC in Raleigh into S16
2015 Duke Charlotte into S16
2014 Duke Raleigh into S16
2013 No North Carolina Games
2012 UNC Greensboro into S16
2011 Duke Charlotte into S16
2011 UNC Charlotte into S16
2010 No North Carolina Games
2009 Duke Greensboro into S16
2009 UNC Greensboro into S16
2008 UNC Raleigh then Charlotte into FF4
2007 UNC Winston Salem into S16
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Do any other two schools enjoy a home court advantage like these two.
Now its over ... and hopefully for a long time.
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on September 13, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
2016 UNC in Raleigh into S16
2015 Duke Charlotte into S16
2014 Duke Raleigh into S16
2013 No North Carolina Games
2012 UNC Greensboro into S16
2011 Duke Charlotte into S16
2011 UNC Charlotte into S16
2010 No North Carolina Games
2009 Duke Greensboro into S16
2009 UNC Greensboro into S16
2008 UNC Raleigh then Charlotte into FF4
2007 UNC Winston Salem into S16
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Do any other two schools enjoy a home court advantage like these two.
Now its over ... and hopefully for a long time.
You sure typed a lot of words when the answer to my question was "two."
I wanted to highlight my larger point that nearly ever year one of these two schools makes the S16 (or further) without getting on an airplane, and often staying at home.
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on September 13, 2016, 08:35:41 PM
I wanted to highlight my larger point that nearly ever year one of these two schools makes the S16 (or further) without getting on an airplane, and often staying at home.
Four high quality arenas (Charlotte, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Raleigh) and guaranteed crowds. Easy choice for the NCAA.
I wonder what kind of contracts these venues had with the NCAA. It would not surprise me if there was some litigation as a result, unless there is some back room deal to restore the venues when the laws are changed.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on September 13, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
I wonder what kind of contracts these venues had with the NCAA. It would not surprise me if there was some litigation as a result, unless there is some back room deal to restore the venues when the laws are changed.
Back door deal, a'iinna?
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on September 13, 2016, 08:35:41 PM
I wanted to highlight my larger point that nearly ever year one of these two schools makes the S16 (or further) without getting on an airplane, and often staying at home.
Except here was the first sentence of the opening post:
Many years Duke and UNC can make the Final Four without leaving the state of North Carolina. So, as Cooby says, twice in 35 years.
I'll be a good boy and won't rant at length against an unenforceable, ill-advised, discriminatory, shortsighted law that probably will get overturned by the courts after millions of taxpayer dollars will have been spent trying to defend it and hundreds of millions of dollars (and thousands of jobs) will have been lost since it was enacted.
Quote from: MU82 on September 13, 2016, 09:37:51 PM
Except here was the first sentence of the opening post:
Many years Duke and UNC can make the Final Four without leaving the state of North Carolina.
So, as Cooby says, twice in 35 years.
I'll be a good boy and won't rant at length against an unenforceable, ill-advised, discriminatory, shortsighted law that probably will get overturned by the courts after millions of taxpayer dollars will have been spent trying to defend it and hundreds of millions of dollars (and thousands of jobs) will have been lost since it was enacted.
I asked you to keep politics out of it. But you simply cannot help yourself, can you.
I can't wait until Las Vegas has a state of the art football stadium and the final four is played here!
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on September 13, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
I asked you to keep politics out of it. But you simply cannot help yourself, can you.
As I said in The Superbar, I occasionally like to drive you crazy.
Lighten up, Francis.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on September 13, 2016, 09:44:46 PM
I can't wait until Las Vegas has a state of the art football stadium and the final four is played here!
Doesn't Vegas have a law that they cannot take bets on sporting events that take place in Vegas?
Oh, but nice attempt at deflecting attention from your own erroneous thesis.
Quote from: Jesse Livermore on September 13, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Doesn't Vegas have a law that they cannot take bets on sporting events that take place in Vegas?
No. They allowed betting on UNLV and Nevada-Reno games starting in 2001. Four leagues (Pac-12, Mountain West, WAC, Big West) hold their men'a conference basketball tournaments in Las Vegas. When Las Vegas' NHL team starts playing in the 2017-18 season you will be able to bet on their games. If/when the Raiders move here it's anticipated that you will be able to bet on their games too.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 13, 2016, 07:20:31 PM
NCAA should stay out of it-PERIOD
The NCAA is a organization of schools that have banded together to organize and regulate sporting events between themselves. So you're saying that the schools who have created a championship tournament should stay out of the decision of deciding where those games should be played. That sounds silly.
NCAA leadership is a group of university presidents. They tend to care a great deal about the image of their schools both individually and as a group, and they tend to be very inclusive by nature. Sure, even "liberal," for those who like to label everything.
This move by the NCAA was quite predictable, and very well could be followed by the ACC making a similar move, costing NC tens of million$ more as well as more jobs. Political decisions have consequences.
Also, this entire thread should be in the Superbar. It has absolutely nothing to do with Marquette basketball.
The courts will decide. There are 21 states currently suing the federal gov't. If those states win, the NCAA is going to have a tough time finding places to have games.
This entire thread shouldn't exist. Political.
I'm all for the decision to play fewer NCAA tourney games in North Carolina. Politics schmolitics, I don't know why anyone would complain about this move regardless of lean or affiliation.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2016, 09:21:19 PM
Back door deal, a'iinna?
No offense here, but the back door should be exit only Eyn'a? Front door, just wipe your, umm, feet
Quote from: MU82 on September 14, 2016, 12:22:02 AM
NCAA leadership is a group of university presidents. They tend to care a great deal about the image of their schools both individually and as a group, and they tend to be very inclusive by nature. Sure, even "liberal," for those who like to label everything.
This move by the NCAA was quite predictable, and very well could be followed by the ACC making a similar move, costing NC tens of million$ more as well as more jobs. Political decisions have consequences.
Also, this entire thread should be in the Superbar. It has absolutely nothing to do with Marquette basketball.
I can change that- gee, if Marquette has a game in North Carolina, there is going to be so much confusion at the games...everyone using whichever bathroom and suddenly getting the crap kicked outta ya trying to drop a deuce in the wrong venue? Poor dude running down the hall with a prairie dog chasin him ducks into the closest closet and finds a couple of biker dudes waiting for him. Oh well, so much for that experience....umm, clean-up in aisle 7 puhhhlease!
But when ya think about the Caroline's rule as it stands now, they are leaving less of a carbon footprint with less air travel 'ey?
Quote from: TilTuesday on September 14, 2016, 12:31:23 AM
This entire thread shouldn't exist. Political.
We agree, chicos.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 14, 2016, 05:11:32 AM
I can change that- gee, if Marquette has a game in North Carolina, there is going to be so much confusion at the games...everyone using whichever bathroom and suddenly getting the crap kicked outta ya trying to drop a deuce in the wrong venue? Poor dude running down the hall with a prairie dog chasin him ducks into the closest closet and finds a couple of biker dudes waiting for him. Oh well, so much for that experience....umm, clean-up in aisle 7 puhhhlease!
Yeah...this bolsters your argument. ::)
Quote from: tower912 on September 14, 2016, 06:18:28 AM
We agree, chicos.
Strangely enough that was my first reaction, too. A rather unusual first post.
Quote from: 4everCrean on September 14, 2016, 07:55:59 AM
Strangely enough that was my first reaction, too. A rather unusual first post.
Not his first post. Do a little digging. It will become clear.
Quote from: 4everCrean on September 14, 2016, 07:55:59 AM
Strangely enough that was my first reaction, too. A rather unusual first post.
No matter how many times they piss in the punch bowl some people think they should keep being invited back into the party
Quote from: tower912 on September 14, 2016, 06:18:28 AM
We agree, chicos.
Must have finally gotten that WiFi booster installed in the fallout shelter.
The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: ACC follows NCAA lead and pulls athletic championships out of North Carolina amid backlash over bathroom law.
Appears this would include the football championship game, the women's basketball tournament, men's and women's golf championship, men's and women's tennis, softball, swimming and baseball.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 13, 2016, 07:20:31 PM
NCAA should stay out of it-PERIOD
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The irony of demanding the NCAA stay out of their own business
Quote from: TilTuesday on September 14, 2016, 12:31:23 AM
The courts will decide. There are 21 states currently suing the federal gov't. If those states win, the NCAA is going to have a tough time finding places to have games.
This entire thread shouldn't exist. Political.
Is your name a nod to the famed and great MU band, Secret Goldfish and their hit "Scream Til Tuesday"?
I'm figurin' a typo. Probably meant TitTuesday, ai na?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 14, 2016, 12:39:58 PM
The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: ACC follows NCAA lead and pulls athletic championships out of North Carolina amid backlash over bathroom law.
Appears this would include the football championship game, the women's basketball tournament, men's and women's golf championship, men's and women's tennis, softball, swimming and baseball.
There you have it.
Obviously, the pols here in my adopted state were so naive they thought there would be little to no backlash. They didn't anticipate the jobs leaving, jobs never arriving, events and conventions canceling, CEOs and association directors recoiling, etc.
You pass a law -- in a matter of hours, with zero debate -- that not only legalizes but encourages discrimination. And then you act like it's everybody else's fault when CEOs, university presidents and others who value inclusion take their companies and events elsewhere. It's "political correctness run amok," because political correctness somehow is the opposite of blatant discrimination. In reality, it's a perfect example of "let the market decide."
This really was a classic case of cutting off the nose to spite the face by NC's lawmakers and governor.
And for what? A symbolic, unenforceable, obviously discriminatory law.
As an NC resident who likes having major events in my city and state, and who certainly doesn't like seeing high-paying jobs leave, I get no satisfaction out of this at all. I am ashamed to have elected "leaders" who act the way they do.
If that's too political ... well ... this is a political thread. So let me be the first to say:
In before the lock.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on September 13, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
Why? They are a private organization. They can do what they want.
This.
Perfectly said MU82
Quote from: MU82 on September 14, 2016, 01:06:07 PM
There you have it.
Obviously, the pols here in my adopted state were so naive they thought there would be little to no backlash. They didn't anticipate the jobs leaving, jobs never arriving, events and conventions canceling, CEOs and association directors recoiling, etc.
You pass a law -- in a matter of hours, with zero debate -- that not only legalizes but encourages discrimination. And then you act like it's everybody else's fault when CEOs, university presidents and others who value inclusion take their companies and events elsewhere. It's "political correctness run amok," because political correctness somehow is the opposite of blatant discrimination. In reality, it's a perfect example of "let the market decide."
This really was a classic case of cutting off the nose to spite the face by NC's lawmakers and governor.
And for what? A symbolic, unenforceable, obviously discriminatory law.
As an NC resident who likes having major events in my city and state, and who certainly doesn't like seeing high-paying jobs leave, I get no satisfaction out of this at all. I am ashamed to have elected "leaders" who act the way they do.
If that's too political ... well ... this is a political thread. So let me be the first to say:
In before the lock.
Probably the best description I have heard is "a solution searching for a problem that doesn't exist, championed by a few to the detriment of many."
Quote from: source? on September 14, 2016, 03:15:00 PM
Probably the best description I have heard is "a solution searching for a problem that doesn't exist, championed by a few to the detriment of many."
Well stated.
Here in Charlotte, we keep hearing stories about transgender men - people who were born female but now identify as male. They look, talk and act like men, and many have facial hair. Yet according to HB2, they
HAVE TO use the ladies room. It's farcical.
Unemployment is near an all-time low here in NC, taxes have been reduced (kind of; fees have been raised), teacher pay is up so now we're at least ahead of Mississippi and a few other bottom-feeders, more people are moving into the state than moving out, salaries are going up (albeit slowly), there is a budget surplus. Given all of that, the governor should win re-election in a landslide. But he has tied his fate to HB2 and a few other unpopular, unnecessary social policies, and he trails fairly significantly in the polls.
Anyway, back to the original point of the thread ...
For all the reasons stated earlier by myself and others, I seriously doubt there will be major implications for Duke, UNC or college basketball as a whole. The only major "victims" here are NC basketball fans and businesses that rely on big events to bolster their bottom lines.
The NCAA and ACC had the kind of protest that usually turns out to be most effective -- a protest with their wallets.
Far more effective than Kaepernick's. (Although I defend his right to stage his protest, too.)
Quote from: TilTuesday on September 14, 2016, 12:31:23 AM
The courts will decide. There are 21 states currently suing the federal gov't. If those states win, the NCAA is going to have a tough time finding places to have games.
This entire thread shouldn't exist. Political.
Especially so, if the other 29 states secede. :-\
Is this REALLY about bathrooms? Come on guys, you're all smarter than that. trees, forest, forest, trees
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 14, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Is this REALLY about bathrooms? Come on guys, you're all smarter than that. trees, forest, forest, trees
You're right. It's about anti-gay bigotry.
Arguments that the NCAA needs to stay out of this are mind-boggling. All the time you have private corporations that donate money to influence politicians - Republicans never seem to mind that.
All-in-all, in a capitalist-society, bigotry actions are punished. As they should.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 14, 2016, 12:39:58 PM
The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: ACC follows NCAA lead and pulls athletic championships out of North Carolina amid backlash over bathroom law.
Appears this would include the football championship game, the women's basketball tournament, men's and women's golf championship, men's and women's tennis, softball, swimming and baseball.
#donedeal
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17547270/acc-moving-neutral-site-championship-games-north-carolina-due-hb2
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 14, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Is this REALLY about bathrooms? Come on guys, you're all smarter than that. trees, forest, forest, trees
I agree. I also agree with Sultan saying it is about anti-LGBT bigotry. What do you think it is about?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51888.0
You know the drill - take the politics elsewhere.
Anything political posted here will be swiftly removed, and if you violate the rule too frequently, you'll find yourself without a place to post.
- Rocky Warrior
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51888.0
Quote from: TilTuesday on September 15, 2016, 02:41:51 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51888.0
You know the drill - take the politics elsewhere.
Anything political posted here will be swiftly removed, and if you violate the rule too frequently, you'll find yourself without a place to post.
- Rocky Warrior
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51888.0
Why do you care?
In before the lock. H ;D ;D
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 14, 2016, 11:48:12 PM
I agree. I also agree with Sultan saying it is about anti-LGBT bigotry. What do you think it is about?
Yes it is...that too. This is a big big political power play. Anyone for dog fighting? How about little puppy dogs fighting? How about dogs fighting puppy dogs? Well, NO ONE could possibly be for anything that nasty and wrong, correct? No, I'm not equating dog fighting with LGBT bathroom rights. I am equating how someone can take a PUBLIC stand for either one of these-which one will you win with? I mean really WIN with, for or against? you may be able to be against this bathroom thing without being a BIGOT, but good luck in getting your message out there.
What did dr. Renee Richards do? Rupaul, Alexis arquette, Chaz Bono, Carmen Carrera.....and now Bruce or Catlyn, or....? Suddenly we have a bathroom problem?
Why did willow sutton rob banks?
You think most of these pols really care where Chaz Bono let's his jones hang out? These pols aren't our 2nd coming of mother Teresa remember. They finally found a political club they can use on their opponent over and over and over and....until they "EVOLVE" Eyn'a?
And it's about moneymoneymoneymoneymoney. Our pols see everything through one prism-GREEN first, second and third. They are big opportunists and this one is a golden goose. And this one is going to allow these guys to be on the front page, above the fold for a while
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Quote from: real chili 83 on September 15, 2016, 04:24:49 AM
Why do you care?
In before the lock. H ;D ;D
Consistency seems problematic here. Wouldn't you want to correct that?
Since the thread is still open, why is the NCAA allowing schools to take trips to China and Cuba, with their terrible records on human rights, including the LGBTQ?
Why is Liberty, BYU, and other religious colleges that hold stances on gay marriage, or gay interaction allowed to participate in NCAA sanctioned games?
Is the NCAA only partially committed here or fully committed?
This is why the courts should decide and any actions prior to those court rulings is nothing but political theater. It is also what makes this thread political, and why it shouldn't exist in the first place, per the moderator Rocky.
Quote from: TSmith34 on September 15, 2016, 08:53:31 AM
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That was my reaction as well. I think the point was that people like Caitlyn Jenner are making money off the controversy? To which my response would be "So?"
Quote from: TilTuesday on September 15, 2016, 09:15:42 AM
Consistency seems problematic here. Wouldn't you want to correct that?
Since the thread is still open, why is the NCAA allowing schools to take trips to China and Cuba, with their terrible records on human rights, including the LGBTQ?
Why is Liberty, BYU, and other religious colleges that hold stances on gay marriage, or gay interaction allowed to participate in NCAA sanctioned games?
Is the NCAA only partially committed here or fully committed?
This is why the courts should decide and any actions prior to those court rulings is nothing but political theater. It is also what makes this thread political, and why it shouldn't exist in the first place, per the moderator Rocky.
Jamie,
Maybe I should have used teal.
New ID added to the Chicos ban, and thread locked!