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So with the additions to the Tourney team this week including Derrick, let's start to play Coach Diener and postulate the lineup, bench rotation, etc.  It's almost gametime.  Do we know their opponents yet?  Do we need a new '----- is Evil' thread yet?  Too bad we'll be out of town for that opening weekend.

Opening round matches are announced on Friday

My starting 5:

Jerel
Buycks
DJO
Davante
Jamil

Could see putting lockett in there for DJO or for Jamil if they go a little smaller. I'll be at the games saturday, should be fun.

I would have had Acker as a lock to start until Buycks joined the lineup. With DB in there, this is what I'd go with, as well as the primary backup at each position:

PG Dwight Buycks (Acker)
SG Darius Johnson-Odom (Chapman)
SF Jerel McNeal (Lockett)
PF Jamil Wilson (Burke)
C Davante Gardner (Jackson)

Same starters as RKMU, though I would have Jamil handle the tips instead of Davante. Good combination of speed, shooting, and low-post offense. Not sure what everyone else will have, but I think this would almost have to be one of the stronger teams in the field. Three guys that have been on NBA rosters, while others have either played D-League or had success overseas.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall with these guys telling stories about coaches/players/their days at MU.

It would also be interesting to see these guys go head to head in their practices and to see who gets the better of one another. Some very talented collegiate ball players on this roster. Will be fun to track their games.

Maybe I'm a pessimist but I'd be surprised if they were a real threat to win.  My guess would be there are some teams that are filled with guys who were decently talented in college and then have just played together for years and years.  Putting together a bunch of guys who have either never played together or haven't played together for years and trying to get something going based on a few practices isn't an easy thing to do no matter how much talent you have.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2016, 08:56:05 AM
Maybe I'm a pessimist but I'd be surprised if they were a real threat to win.  My guess would be there are some teams that are filled with guys who were decently talented in college and then have just played together for years and years.  Putting together a bunch of guys who have either never played together or haven't played together for years and trying to get something going based on a few practices isn't an easy thing to do no matter how much talent you have.

Kentucky does this every year

In seriousness, I don't think very many teams will have a bunch of guys that have played together for years. These guys are professionals. Basketball takes them all over the world to different teams and countries every couple years. There will be some familiarity among teammates on every squad, but none of these guys are coming out of college and then playing on the same pro teams together for years. I do, however, agree that MU probably won't win because I've looked at the competition and it's pretty stiff.

I do think teams will have a bear of a time trying to stop the Ox, though.

Despite the fact that these guys haven't played together for years, many of them did play under Buzz which means there's probably a common playbook and role delineation that could help them play well together.  Win or lose, it will be fun to watch them.  I wonder who the ringer will be if they get to the round of sixteen?

I just looked at the roster for the first time and noticed the "salary" line.  Do these dudes really make $100k+ for playing in this tourney?

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 30, 2016, 09:51:41 AM
I just looked at the roster for the first time and noticed the "salary" line.  Do these dudes really make $100k+ for playing in this tourney?

Pretty sure that is the cut each of them would get if they won

Quote from: RKMU123 on June 30, 2016, 09:57:42 AM
Pretty sure that is the cut each of them would get if they won

Got it, thanks.  Haven't paid much attention.

Are these games going to be televised or streamed anywhere? Would be fun to watch.

If the officials are calling tight games:
Buycks
Jerel
Jamil
Gardner
Jackson

If the officials are letting guys play:
DJO
Jamil
Lockett
Burke
Jackson

Jerel and Davante are great at getting to the hoop, but let's remember that a big part of their game was drawing fouls and getting to the line; take that away, and you need guys who can bang around and still finish.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 30, 2016, 10:02:35 AM
Got it, thanks.  Haven't paid much attention.

Are these games going to be televised or streamed anywhere? Would be fun to watch.

I believe rounds of 16 and 8 will be on ESPNU while the final 4 and champ game will be on ESPN. If they make it far enough, let's just hope they don't wear the baby blues.

Quote from: Benny B on June 30, 2016, 10:15:37 AM
If the officials are calling tight games:
Buycks
Jerel
Matthews
Gardner
Jackson

If the officials are letting guys play:
DJO
Jamil
Matthews
Burke
Jackson

Jerel and Davante are great at getting to the hoop, but let's remember that a big part of their game was drawing fouls and getting to the line; take that away, and you need guys who can bang around and still finish.

Matthews is coaching, not playing, I believe.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2016, 10:19:35 AM
Matthews is coaching, not playing, I believe.

Just caught that... changed it up.

Who's going to be the ringer for the team?  DWade?  JFB?  Jake?

Quote from: Benny B on June 30, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
Who's going to be the ringer for the team?  DWade?  JFB?  Jake?

Don't think we'll see any NBAers out there. Probably something in their contracts restricting it. Or they just don't want to risk injury.

Give me Carlino. Team needs a sniper.

Quote from: RKMU123 on June 30, 2016, 09:57:42 AM
Pretty sure that is the cut each of them would get if they won

That's correct, and it's a winner take all tourney, so only the team that wins the title gets paid.

Quote from: Benny B on June 30, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
Who's going to be the ringer for the team?  DWade?  JFB?  Jake?

Clearly it's going to be Ners.
The question is, will Derrick pass to him?

There are custom uniforms for the tourney. It was just posted on Twitter. The white jerseys are actually pretty sweet looking with arrowheads on the sides and it appears they took some aspects of the untucked jerseys.

On the tbt website, the blue jerseys are for sale along with the shorts for MU.

blackledge balling on the utah team...he go mormon?

I didn't look through all the rosters, but I looked through a good chunk and I have to imagine they got a pretty good chance to go a ways.

The only other roster that looked pretty impressive was Syracuse.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 30, 2016, 11:21:02 AM
I didn't look through all the rosters, but I looked through a good chunk and I have to imagine they got a pretty good chance to go a ways.

The only other roster that looked pretty impressive was Syracuse.

I think Nova's looks good too.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 30, 2016, 10:02:35 AM

Are these games going to be televised or streamed anywhere? Would be fun to watch.

According to the Web site:

$2 Million, Winner-takes-all Championship – August 2 @ 7p EST on ESPN
Semifinals – July 30 @ 5p & 7p EST on ESPN
Quarterfinals – July 23 @ 12p (ESPN2), 2p (ESPNU), 6p (ESPNU), 8p (ESPN2) EST
Rd of 16 Day 2 – July 22 @ 1p (ESPN3), 3p (ESPN3), 7p (ESPN2), 9p (ESPN2) EST
Rd of 16 Day 1 – July 21 @ 1p (ESPN3), 3p (ESPN3), 7p (ESPN2), 9p (ESPN2) EST

Rounds 1&2 from Chicago & Philadelphia – July 16 & 17 on TheTournament.com
Rounds 1&2 from Charlotte & Los Angeles – July 9 & 10 on TheTournament.com

I just now found out we have a regional here in Charlotte. If I've got nothing else going on next weekend, I might go check it out. I'd definitely check it out if I was gonna be in Chicago the following weekend because I AM (clap, clap) MAR-QUETTE (clap, clap).

Quote from: Benny B on June 30, 2016, 10:22:38 AM
Who's going to be the ringer for the team?  DWade?  JFB?  Jake?

Need a lot more votes to qualify for a ringer. 

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 30, 2016, 12:25:22 PM
Need a lot more votes to qualify for a ringer.

Let'd do this scoop....get them to 2,000 votes.  Only need another 700 or so.  Nothing like a scoop campaign to see us add the ringer!!

Here is the link to vote:

https://www.thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-alumni-marquette-alumni (https://www.thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-alumni-marquette-alumni)

I voted.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 30, 2016, 12:25:22 PM
Need a lot more votes to qualify for a ringer. 

I haven't voted yet, and I'm good for at least 50-100 votes by myself.

Not bad. Throwing it back a little more would be better.

https://the-basketball-tournament.myshopify.com/collections/2016-team-jerseys/products/golden-eagles-alumni-2016-official-team-jersey
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0495/6869/products/eagles_1_1024x1024.png?v=1467238877)

Ew, those things are hideous. The white ones looked better.

Quote from: T-Bone on June 30, 2016, 03:17:06 PM
Not bad. Throwing it back a little more would be better.

https://the-basketball-tournament.myshopify.com/collections/2016-team-jerseys/products/golden-eagles-alumni-2016-official-team-jersey
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0495/6869/products/eagles_1_1024x1024.png?v=1467238877)

Those ugly azz things on the left shoulder ruin any chance of it being cool.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2016, 03:36:01 PM
Those ugly azz things on the left shoulder ruin any chance of it being cool.

I don't think the TBT logo is that bad... ;)

Quote from: Benny B on June 30, 2016, 02:10:29 PM
I haven't voted yet, and I'm good for at least 50-100 votes by myself.

Can only vote once.

Those uniforms look like were designed by a high schooler looking back at various historic uniforms and cobbling them together with no sense of context.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 30, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Can only vote once.

hmm, I have email confirmations for my 4 votes  8-)

So is there no round robin?

It's just sudden death style eh? I like it. Let's win.

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 30, 2016, 04:02:45 PM
Those uniforms look like were designed by a high schooler looking back at various historic uniforms and cobbling them together with no sense of context.

Yah the unis could definitely be better, but I still like them.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2016, 03:36:01 PM
Those ugly azz things on the left shoulder ruin any chance of it being cool.

It's better than the school's golden eagles logo. Wish they could've put Marquette on it but there's probably a licensing issue

So what's the deal with this. I'm out of the loop. Who are the alums playing against?

Quote from: barfolomew on June 30, 2016, 10:54:39 AM
Clearly it's going to be Ners.
The question is, will Derrick pass to him?

That. Was awesome.

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 30, 2016, 03:40:44 PM
I don't think the TBT logo is that bad... ;)

Yeah you're right.  I still don't understand that concept apparently.

Will these games be streamed or televised?

Car3no!

We've going to be tough to beat boys.

Quote from: jsglow on June 30, 2016, 06:49:25 AM
So with the additions to the Tourney team this week including Derrick, let's start to play Coach Diener and postulate the lineup, bench rotation, etc.  It's almost gametime.  Do we know their opponents yet?  Do we need a new '----- is Evil' thread yet?  Too bad we'll be out of town for that opening weekend.

Alright, sorry to be the guy who asks, but what is this thread about? I see a lot of MU guys from good years being mentioned and im just curious  =)

Quote from: PFsHeroes32 on June 30, 2016, 05:58:39 PM
So what's the deal with this. I'm out of the loop. Who are the alums playing against?

I cruised through the brackets and recognized some obvious alumni teams but there seems to be a lot of club(?), non affiliated (?), random allstar (?) teams.  It looks entertaining, but i also don't get "the deal" with it.

Quote from: EnderWiggen on June 30, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
Alright, sorry to be the guy who asks, but what is this thread about? I see a lot of MU guys from good years being mentioned and im just curious  =)

In short...

The Basketball Tournament is an annual 64-team tournament. Teams can be put together by just about anyone, but often are alumni teams (as ours is), regional teams, or sometimes overseas competitors. It's single elimination, winner take all, and the winners split $2,000,000.

There are no current NBA players, so it's made up mostly of fringe D-League guys, European players, and former college players. Marquette's team is a mix of guys that have played in the NBA, D-League, and overseas. They start play next month in Chicago and will be trying to get to the Final Four in hopes of taking home the $2M.

I am very enthusiastic about any MU related team especially one that has Davante Gardner and DJO on it. Looking for a big performance from both.

DJO probably my favorite player of the past decade. Criminally underrated.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 30, 2016, 08:48:25 PM
DJO probably my favorite player of the past decade. Criminally underrated.

Bad choice of words?

Alright, I'll bite. Let's have some fun with depth charts.

PG: Buycks/Acker/D Will
SG: DJO/Carlino/Chapman
SF: Jerel/Lockett
PF: Milly/Burke
C: Ox/Jackson

That's a pretty fun team. Jerel could also move over to the 2 with Lockett taking the 3 for a very good defensive lineup.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 30, 2016, 08:52:08 PM
Bad choice of words?

No? Past decade doesn't include Novak, Diener or Wade anymore. I know, it was that long ago.

With Wojo's commitment to MU history,  I'm confident he's fully supporting it.I trust that the mini camp was productive as they try to integrate and develop roles.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 30, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Can only vote once.

Well then, Benny B will vote once... just like Benny A through Benny ZZ will.

Quote from: Benny B on June 30, 2016, 09:44:05 PM
Well then, Benny B will vote once... just like Benny A through Benny ZZ will.

You have a lot of email addresses?

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 30, 2016, 08:48:25 PM
DJO probably my favorite player of the past decade. Criminally underrated.

I agree with this analysis.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 30, 2016, 08:48:25 PM
DJO probably my favorite player of the past decade. Criminally underrated.

Dude was a baller. The team with him and Crowder as seniors had so much swagger. Expected to win every night. That was a fun season. Sigh.

Quote from: RKMU123 on June 30, 2016, 11:38:20 PM
Dude was a baller. The team with him and Crowder as seniors had so much swagger. Expected to win every night. That was a fun season. Sigh.

Yea, that was the team that could have made a final 4 run but untimely injuries kinda derailed that. Otule, though not really an impact player, would have really helped the interior defense, the one real weakness that team had. Plus Davante wasn't 100% during the tournament either if I remember right.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 30, 2016, 11:43:29 PM
Yea, that was the team that could have made a final 4 run but untimely injuries kinda derailed that. Otule, though not really an impact player, would have really helped the interior defense, the one real weakness that team had. Plus Davante wasn't 100% during the tournament either if I remember right.

It really came down to Missouri losing to Norfolk state. I have no doubt if we played that Missouri team we'd be in the elite 8 that year possibly FF.

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 01, 2016, 06:46:32 AM
It really came down to Missouri losing to Norfolk state. I have no doubt if we played that Missouri team we'd be in the elite 8 that year possibly FF.

That Florida team was just a really tough matchup for us. So much length in the frontcourt and that Beal/Boynton combo was a hell of a collegiate guard tandem. After winning on the road at Murray State, that Florida game just never really felt all that close. I guess we were only a run away most of the game, but it felt like they were in control early and just never let us get quite close enough.

EDIT: Ugh...just looked back at that box score. Our starters were 14/50 from the field and 4/16 from beyond the arc. That's even worse than I remember  :-X

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2016, 06:58:06 AM
That Florida team was just a really tough matchup for us. So much length in the frontcourt and that Beal/Boynton combo was a hell of a collegiate guard tandem. After winning on the road at Murray State, that Florida game just never really felt all that close. I guess we were only a run away most of the game, but it felt like they were in control early and just never let us get quite close enough.

EDIT: Ugh...just looked back at that box score. Our starters were 14/50 from the field and 4/16 from beyond the arc. That's even worse than I remember  :-X

I was at that game. It wasn't close. Very sad. Such a great day before tip off. Ugh.

PS - DJO listed at thetournament.com as a PG. I like it.

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 01, 2016, 06:46:32 AM
It really came down to Missouri losing to Norfolk state. I have no doubt if we played that Missouri team we'd be in the elite 8 that year possibly FF.

I remember walking out of work that day having just seen the end of the Mizzou/NFSU game being on cloud nine... besides having called the upset,  I couldn't help but to think our path to the FF had just been cleared.

Then I saw Florida.  Game over, man... game over.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 30, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
Alright, I'll bite. Let's have some fun with depth charts.

PG: Buycks/Acker/D Will
SG: DJO/Carlino/Chapman
SF: Jerel/Lockett
PF: Milly/Burke
C: Ox/Jackson

That's a pretty fun team. Jerel could also move over to the 2 with Lockett taking the 3 for a very good defensive lineup.

Did Carlino get added? I don't see him on the roster.

Quote from: Benny B on July 01, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
I remember walking out of work that day having just seen the end of the Mizzou/NFSU game being on cloud nine... besides having called the upset,  I couldn't help but to think our path to the FF had just been cleared.

Then I saw Florida.  Game over, man... game over.

I was in the opposite camp. I thought DJO could take out Marcus Denmon, Crowder was exponentially better than Riccardo Ratcliffe. If Blue could shut down English we'd be good. That Florida team scarred me because we had major issues against tall Cuse, GTown and Vandy teams. Florida was even taller than those teams.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 01, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
Did Carlino get added? I don't see him on the roster.

It would seem so as #mubb lists him. Possible Tournament website a touch behind.

First round game July 16 at 9:15 CT at St Xavier University in Chicago. Playing against Illinois hoopville warriors. Not any recognizable names on their roster.

Possible 2nd Rd matchup with michigan state alumni

If I were Dan Fitz, and MU makes it that far, I'd be talking to the newest candidate for The Ringer that has emerged:

@Deadspin  8min ago
NBA bans O.J. Mayo for violating anti-drug program: http://deadsp.in/k1lnJ6e (http://deadsp.in/k1lnJ6e)

Got boned with that 6 seed.

Quote from: MilWarrior on July 01, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
Got boned with that 6 seed.

No kidding.

Quote from: barfolomew on July 01, 2016, 01:06:23 PM
If I were Dan Fitz, and MU makes it that far, I'd be talking to the newest candidate for The Ringer that has emerged:

@Deadspin  8min ago
NBA bans O.J. Mayo for violating anti-drug program: http://deadsp.in/k1lnJ6e (http://deadsp.in/k1lnJ6e)

Meh. Save it for Jimmy, or Wade, or Crowder, or Lazar, or Vander.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 01, 2016, 01:10:58 PM
Meh. Save it for Jimmy, or Wade, or Crowder, or Lazar, or Vander.

They'd be nice, but I don't think anyone with a current NBA contract will be too keen on signing up.

Quote from: MuEagle1090 on June 30, 2016, 10:11:14 PM
You have a lot of email addresses?

if you have one Gmail address you can create a whole bunch of fake accounts...

gmail doesn't care where or if you put a "." in the email name, you will still get the email.. you could create an email address that simply is

MUSCOOPFAN@gmail.com and from there go
MU.SCOOP.FAN@gmail.com
M.U.SCOOP.FAN@gmail.com

and so on so forth

most websites will recognize the above as 3 different logins despite it all being the same account.

quite easy for Benny to create A LOT of accounts off of one email address. Not that i am encouraging or discouraging Scoop from doing that

Somebody analyze that Michigan State team.

Quote from: jsglow on July 01, 2016, 01:42:26 PM
Somebody analyze that Michigan State team.

Solid team, a little undersized besides Nix but have some players in Summers and Korie Lucious. I'm kinda surprised to see Lucious on the team. Got into some trouble at MSU and then left town for Iowa St.

Matty V says Hoopville Warriors made the super 16 last year. Maybe not a slouch team.

Purple and Black (K-State alumni) looks tough, and they were seeded 4th.

It's based on votes, not talent.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 01, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
It's based on votes, not talent.

Nope. K state alumni had the most votes and are the 4 seed.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 01, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Matty V says Hoopville Warriors made the super 16 last year. Maybe not a slouch team.

I'm telling you, these things never go as the "most talented" team winning it.  I am guessing Hoopville Warriors has a bunch of guys who have played together for a while now and will be a tough team.  It's like adult (competitive) rec league sports but at a higher level.  You'll find a bunch of guys who are out of college within the last 5 years and played whatever sport it is in high school and are all athletic and talented, and the 40 year olds who just put together the same team every year win it year after year.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 01, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
I'm telling you, these things never go as the "most talented" team winning it.  I am guessing Hoopville Warriors has a bunch of guys who have played together for a while now and will be a tough team.  It's like adult (competitive) rec league sports but at a higher level.  You'll find a bunch of guys who are out of college within the last 5 years and played whatever sport it is in high school and are all athletic and talented, and the 40 year olds who just put together the same team every year win it year after year.

I agree with this analysis.

Still bothers me a bit that this team is "small".

The better teams are stacked with 6'5"-6'8" guys. Wings that can play post and perimeter.

Curious to see how this team does as they haven't competed together in the TBT before.

This is who I want them to play: https://www.thetournament.com/teams/kimchi-express

EDIT: Not sure these were mentioned
- Ron Howard is on Ants Alumni
- Karon Bradley is listed as a Free Agent

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 01, 2016, 11:54:13 PM
Still bothers me a bit that this team is "small".

The better teams are stacked with 6'5"-6'8" guys. Wings that can play post and perimeter.

Curious to see how this team does as they haven't competed together in the TBT before.

This is who I want them to play: https://www.thetournament.com/teams/kimchi-express

EDIT: Not sure these were mentioned
- Ron Howard is on Ants Alumni
- Karon Bradley is listed as a Free Agent

Their GM is taking the biggest salary lol

Jamil Wilson has signed for the Laker's Summer League team in Vegas.  doubt he will participate now?