Up one with the ball under a minute...
How about that flop?
Xavier freshman pulling stupid freshman crap.
Sumner steals the inbound for the half court winner right now.
F. Struggling to not punch my MIL, the badger fan who needs me to explain how Wisconsin came back.
So wisconsin plays notre dame for a spot in the elite 8. F my life.
This is the worst.
You gotta be f#cking kidding me
yuck
And of anyone it had to be that turd Koening.
Never mess with happy
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on March 20, 2016, 09:39:50 PM
How about that flop?
Cannot believe they made that call. It was an obvious flop. Should be a no call at any point in the game. Should be an absolute no call at the end of the game.
That's how officials decide the outcome of games.
Hey x
Nice job
Who the f do u think they wanted to shoot it?
He hardly even was picked for.
Dumb...
X chokes and Gard coaches better than where is bo. Why did X look so bad all nite.
I hate to say it guys but the Wisconsin college basketball sun rises in Madison...
I wanna throw up
Quote from: Blueprint on March 20, 2016, 09:46:00 PM
X chokes and Gard coaches better than where is bo. Why did X look so bad all nite.
Because Wisconsin makes you play like that. Give the Vadgers credit, that's how they play.
Let's face it, the Big East does not represent in March. Might never.
That flop was absolutely ridiculous. And to call it with 4.8 seconds left? Geez.
Sumner out of control all night.
Not surprised. The f-ing Vadgers are like an f-ing rash. Always hanging around. Can't get rid of them.
Once again, so glad I don't live in Wisconsin. Don't have to deal with a bunch of gloating, trash-talking rednecks.
He was flopping before any contact. Absolutely ridiculous. But Xavier never makes an entry pass and chucks crazy 3s over the last 3 minutes. If I was a X fan, I would want a head on a platter. A total choke job.
Quote from: Norm on March 20, 2016, 09:48:25 PM
That flop was absolutely ridiculous. And to call it with 4.8 seconds left? Geez.
Bad call but shouldn't have come down to that if X hadn't spent the past 5 minutes choking the lead away.
Don't blame the call, X took stupid shot after stupid shot. They couldn't stop Happ, Koenig lit them up. Xavier's game to lose, and they did.
Bluiett with 7 points, Davis with 5. Between them- 4 of 16.
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2016, 09:46:41 PM
I hate to say it guys but the Wisconsin college basketball sun rises in Madison...
That's bound to happen when you run your winningest coach since al out of town.
The freshman wanted to be a hero and telegraphed the move. We've seen it out of our freshmen all year.
Sam Dekker adding fuel to the fire...
Sam Dekker @dekker 10m10 minutes ago
Imagine being a Marquette fan. Man that would suck.
Quote from: Blackhat on March 20, 2016, 09:50:34 PM
That's bound to happen when you run your winningest coach since al out of town.
Which one was your favorite? He has no one to blame but himself!
https://www.youtube.com/v/gnJjJkyTrv8
https://www.youtube.com/v/FiwLe9wXgww
https://www.youtube.com/v/vjjjTPrZ-D0
http://www.anonymouseagle.com/2012/8/25/3267395/marquette-fires-assistant-coach-scott-monarch-suspends-buzz-williams
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/120247929.html
http://www.wisn.com/Six-Marquette-Basketball-Players-Cited-For-Being-In-Club-Underage/10935168
OK, I didn't see the game but just saw a replay of the charge. Clearly the contact was exaggerated, but Sumner obviously lowered his shoulder. That's a foul.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 20, 2016, 09:48:53 PM
Not surprised. The f-ing Vadgers are like an f-ing rash. Always hanging around. Can't get rid of them.
Once again, so glad I don't live in Wisconsin. Don't have to deal with a bunch of gloating, trash-talking rednecks.
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/568d6b45c08a8017028b7535-750-563/len-kachinsky-the-lawyer-from-making-a-murderer-says-he-fucked-up-vgtrn-265-body-image-1452044398-size_1000.jpeg)
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
Sam Dekker adding fuel to the fire...
Sam Dekker @dekker 10m10 minutes ago
Imagine being a Marquette fan. Man that would suck.
He has plenty of time to watch. How's that D-League working out for him?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Which one was your favorite? He has no one to blame but himself!
https://www.youtube.com/v/gnJjJkyTrv8
https://www.youtube.com/v/FiwLe9wXgww
https://www.youtube.com/v/vjjjTPrZ-D0
http://www.anonymouseagle.com/2012/8/25/3267395/marquette-fires-assistant-coach-scott-monarch-suspends-buzz-williams
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/120247929.html
http://www.wisn.com/Six-Marquette-Basketball-Players-Cited-For-Being-In-Club-Underage/10935168
Chicos....stick it up your f*cking pie hole. You're just a turd.
This preaching from a guy who threw our players under the bus when it suited his talking points.
Seriously...such turd.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Which one was your favorite? He has no one to blame but himself!
https://www.youtube.com/v/gnJjJkyTrv8
https://www.youtube.com/v/FiwLe9wXgww
https://www.youtube.com/v/vjjjTPrZ-D0
http://www.anonymouseagle.com/2012/8/25/3267395/marquette-fires-assistant-coach-scott-monarch-suspends-buzz-williams
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/120247929.html
http://www.wisn.com/Six-Marquette-Basketball-Players-Cited-For-Being-In-Club-Underage/10935168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8kRTVkjEI
The last 5 minutes for Xavier were utterly disgraceful.. Lack of expirence showed.. Stupid shot after stupid shot.. Sumner absoulty charging into the defender just terrible.. Reynolds taunting that happ kid like crazy.. Just emabbarsing.. A compete joke... Painful but Xavier completly deserved to lose.. Wisconsin loses everything from last year including their coach and now there in the sweet 16. Good thing we have that were to young and have a new coach excuse.. Whatver.. Nova your our only hope
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
OK, I didn't see the game but just saw a replay of the charge. Clearly the contact was exaggerated, but Sumner obviously lowered his shoulder. That's a foul.
Your comment made me find a replay. I don't see what you see.
I think you are the only person who keeps those on file. Just like nobody remembers Bo's laptop stealer and assaulter. Running C-ham out of town was a curse...bunch of geniuses.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 09:56:11 PM
Chicos....stick it up your f*cking pie hole. You're just a turd.
This preaching from a guy who threw our players under the bus when it suited his talking points.
Seriously...such turd.
It's terribly sad that he has such things bookmarked for just such a time.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
OK, I didn't see the game but just saw a replay of the charge. Clearly the contact was exaggerated, but Sumner obviously lowered his shoulder. That's a foul.
Yup, easy call.
. Greg guard on his 3rd week on job leads badge to regionals But we need to give wojo 5 years eh chico
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
OK, I didn't see the game but just saw a replay of the charge. Clearly the contact was exaggerated, but Sumner obviously lowered his shoulder. That's a foul.
My issue is that Showalter was sliding and didn't have great position, and it was a flop contact wise. Since it is a call that could go either way, in that situation you swallow your whistle.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
Sam Dekker adding fuel to the fire...
Sam Dekker @dekker 10m10 minutes ago
Imagine being a Marquette fan. Man that would suck.
What a twat.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2016, 10:00:03 PM
It's terribly sad that he has such things bookmarked for just such a time.
Chico is in a class by himself. Can you imagine the mentality of this sick f-ck?
Bluiett 3-11 7 pts.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2016, 09:55:57 PM
He has plenty of time to watch. How's that D-League working out for him?
+1
He was falling down and crying out to the ref before contact was made. Don't be absurd. Not a foul in any world.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2016, 10:00:52 PM
My issue is that Showalter was sliding and didn't have great position, and it was a flop contact wise. Since it is a call that could go either way, in that situation you swallow your whistle.
Showalter was going down before there was even contact. You can't reward flopping. No way that call should have been made. Period.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
OK, I didn't see the game but just saw a replay of the charge. Clearly the contact was exaggerated, but Sumner obviously lowered his shoulder. That's a foul.
Uh no. Just no.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
Sam Dekker adding fuel to the fire...
Sam Dekker @dekker 10m10 minutes ago
Imagine being a Marquette fan. Man that would suck.
So his former team just wins a huge game, and he thinks of Marquette?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
Sam Dekker adding fuel to the fire...
Sam Dekker @dekker 10m10 minutes ago
Imagine being a Marquette fan. Man that would suck.
How'd Bucky do against MU this season?
Two words...EXPERIENCE MATTERS. The Badgers have winners in their program and we have losers in ours. Sucks
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2016, 09:55:57 PM
He has plenty of time to watch. How's that D-League working out for him?
The responses to his tweet are pretty good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeCjzIMUEAApoD8.jpg)
Quote from: Mutaman on March 20, 2016, 10:02:33 PM
Chico is in a class by himself. Can you imagine the mentality of this sick f-ck?
Guy's a one of a kind f*ck bag.
We'll be back. But man I hope it's sooner than later
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 20, 2016, 10:08:48 PM
How'd Bucky do against MU this season?
Unfortunately one team really improved since that game and the other didn't.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
He was falling down and crying out to the ref before contact was made. Don't be absurd. Not a foul in any world.
You can't lower your shoulder like that. I can understand a no call, but I can understand a foul as well.
Mutaman....why are you here? Your team just beat Xavier....seriously, shouldn't you be excited with your fellow Badger fans?
Quote from: Mutaman on March 20, 2016, 10:11:35 PM
Unfortunately one team really improved since that game and the other didn't.
Yup. Wojo been on job for 2 years. Gard for 3 whole weeks. Only bad things have happened since we got rid of buzz
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 09:56:11 PM
Chicos....stick it up your f*cking pie hole.
Ahhhh. Sorry, but when I hear people saying MU ran him out, his team's actions and lack of control is what got him in trouble, nothing else. Sorry if that hurts people. Keep your guys off the evening news and there is no "messin' with happy".
Quote from: AirPunch on March 20, 2016, 10:08:54 PM
Two words...EXPERIENCE MATTERS. The Badgers have it winners in their program and we don't have it losers in ours. Sucks
Fixed it for you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 10:16:58 PM
Ahhhh. Sorry, but when I hear people saying MU ran him out, his team's actions and lack of control is what got him in trouble, nothing else. Sorry if that hurts people. Keep your guys off the evening news and there is no "messin' with happy".
Not entirely true. But as always you only selectively decide to choose what fits your narrative.
Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. But again, that's never been much of a problem for you either.
Quote from: Richard Shaw's Retired Number on March 20, 2016, 10:10:25 PM
Guy's a one of a kind f*ck bag.
We'll be back. But man I hope it's sooner than later
So glad to see one of my number one fans back...still have that 50%+ ratio of responses to your favorite poster over the years. That's awesome.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 20, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
Yup. Wojo been on job for 2 years. Gard for 3 whole weeks. Only bad things have happened since we got rid of buzz
Yeah, Gard was hired off the streets 3 months ago (not 3 weeks ago), hasn't been coaching in the Swing for 20+ years....nope...let's keep making stuff up Nate.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
He was falling down and crying out to the ref before contact was made. Don't be absurd. Not a foul in any world.
Exactly. That was just awful.
Stop pissing about a call....Xavier blew it, they didn't play well, Wisconsin made them look foolish often. No one to blame but the Musketeers.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
Oh, it's very true.
No Chicos it isn't. I'm not going to debate this with you any longer. Buzz had his issues. But so did Marquette. (And continues to do so.)
But only one side fits your narrative so you take it as gospel.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2016, 10:00:03 PM
It's terribly sad that he has such things bookmarked for just such a time.
I would like to say I'm surprised.......but I'm not at all. How strange.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 10:18:44 PM
Not entirely true. But as always you only selectively decide to choose what fits your narrative.
Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. But again, that's never been much of a problem for you either.
Sultan
Bert wasn't going to stay at Marquette. Both sides were...tired.
He left when the getting was good.
Looks like he's headed to Stillwater. I predict that he will be another KO - a vagabond hopping around not because he can't coach but because his peculiarities are too odd for normal folks.
I predict Bert looks back and will see his time at Marquette as the highlight of a checkered career.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 09:50:17 PM
Don't blame the call, X took stupid shot after stupid shot. They couldn't stop Happ, Koenig lit them up. Xavier's game to lose, and they did.
Xavier let that one get away. No excuse. I think that was a terrible call at the end but X should have never been in that situation.
The Big East needs to get its collective sh1t together in the post season.
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2016, 10:24:36 PM
Sultan
Bert wasn't going to stay at Marquette. Both sides were...tired.
He left when the getting was good.
Looks like he's headed to Stillwater. I predict that he will be another KO - a vagabond hopping around not because he can't coach but because his peculiarities are too odd for normal folks.
I predict Bert looks back and will see his time at Marquette as the highlight of a checkered career.
Yep. I know that.
There were reasons MU was tired of Buzz. But there were also reasons that Buzz was tired of MU. I acknowledge that. Chicos only acknowledges the former.
If both sides would have come together, they could have made it work. But they didn't. Probably to the detriment of both parties.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2016, 10:00:03 PM
It's terribly sad that he has such things bookmarked for just such a time.
Not bookmarked, I posted it the other day. It was an easy cut and paste, nothing bookmarked at all.
Facts be damned around here. When people say he was run out, well truthiness should come into play....even if people don't like it. The Buzz bootlickers can't even bring themselves to understand the dragging through the mud he did to the university...it's as if they have Alzheimers.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
No Chicos it isn't. I'm not going to debate this with you any longer. Buzz had his issues. But so did Marquette. (And continues to do so.)
But only one side fits your narrative so you take it as gospel.
If Buzz's guys didn't pull that crap, the clamps wouldn't have come down. Reaction to the problem, that's what it was. Sorry this is so tough for some of you to figure out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 10:18:21 PM
Fixed it for you.
Yet overall they're still one of the youngest teams in the country just like us. Experience is key though for a guy like Bronson Koenig to hit those cold-blooded shots.
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
Xavier let that one get away. No excuse. I think that was a terrible call at the end but X should have never been in that situation.
The Big East needs to get its collective sh1t together in the post season.
Scoring only 2 points the last 4+ minutes when you have the ball was the problem.
Quote from: statnik on March 20, 2016, 10:29:16 PM
Yet overall they're still one of the youngest teams in the country just like us. Experience is key though for a guy like Bronson Koenig to hit those cold-blooded shots.
Youth and experience are two different things. I don't agree that they are one of the youngest teams in the country...not anywhere close to ours in terms of people that actually play.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 20, 2016, 10:00:31 PM
. Greg guard on his 3rd week on job leads badge to regionals But we need to give wojo 5 years eh chico
Reported for grammar, spelling, and stupidity.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 10:28:39 PM
If Buzz's guys didn't pull that crap, the clamps wouldn't have come down. Reaction to the problem, that's what it was. Sorry this is so tough for some of you to figure out.
Over reaction...to the point that the punishments had nothing to do with the crime but were borderline elitist in response.
Sorry this is tough for you to figure out.
(And this from a guy who pretty much finds every excuse to any problem that goes on at IU...)
Chicos...if you want to antagonize....do it on the WI and IU boards. Otherwise you'll find yourself with another vacation...not the skiing kind.
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
Xavier let that one get away. No excuse. I think that was a terrible call at the end but X should have never been in that situation.
The Big East needs to get its collective sh1t together in the post season.
The SEC has 1 team left. The Pac 12 will have 1/7 or 0/7 left in about 25 minutes.
The Xavier loss is really the only irritating one thus far. SHU lost but to an experienced team, somewhat predictable. Butler and PC did what was expected of them. Nova has taken care of business thus far.
This is probably what being a badger fan in the 70s was like
Looked like a charge to me!
Pretty rough game for X there. Too bad. Killed my brackets, that's for sure.
Quote from: thebadge10 on March 20, 2016, 10:43:06 PM
Looked like a charge to me!
Why are you here?
Badgers players ripping Marquette after a big win. Badgers fans coming here to post. But we're the ones with the little brother attitude.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2016, 10:33:11 PM
Over reaction...to the point that the punishments had nothing to do with the crime but were borderline elitist in response.
Sorry this is tough for you to figure out.
(And this from a guy who pretty much finds every excuse to any problem that goes on at IU...)
I haven't excused things at IU, but nice try. Secondly, this is about Marquette, where we all went to school, not some other school. How that school wishes to deal with their coach is up to that school. We are a Catholic school, private, we're held to a different standard a lot of the times. Sexual assault...multiple incidents...is different than teens drinking, but I know you know that.
I never said the punishments weren't too extreme, but the problem was the incidents kept happening and happening and happening, and that leads to some bad decisions at times. What I find a great fallacy is MU running him out of town, which didn't happen.
Let me ask you a logic 101 question Sultan, would the "excessive punishments" have happened if the "crimes" didn't? Pretty much sums it up.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 20, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
This is probably what being a badger fan in the 70s was like
And the 50s, 60s, and the 80s.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2016, 10:08:05 PM
So his former team just wins a huge game, and he thinks of Marquette?
Had the same thought. Went through some of his tweets from today & it looks like he just blatantly trolls all teams he dislikes. Went off on Iowa today as well.
Interesting use of time.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 20, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
This is probably what being a badger fan in the 70s was like
When MU goes 52 years in a row without making the NCAA tournament, you will have your say. Right now, it's been 3 years...we have 49 years to catch their mark of futility.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2016, 09:55:57 PM
He has plenty of time to watch. How's that D-League working out for him?
Big talk from a D-leaguer. His stock isn't rising, but his hairline sure is.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 20, 2016, 10:55:53 PM
Big talk from a D-leaguer. His stock isn't rising, but his hairline sure is.
Steve Novak responded to him on Twitter. Politely.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 20, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Showalter was going down before there was even contact. You can't reward flopping. No way that call should have been made. Period.
I agree. My point was that even if there was contact there, it should have been a no call.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 11:03:11 PM
Steve Novak responded to him on Twitter. Politely.
Good for Steve. He's a better man than I. Vadger fans might be the single most annoying group on the planet. Can't imagine living in Wisconsin and being surrounded by them...all decked out in their finest Vadger gear from Kohls. Size XXL, of course.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 20, 2016, 11:10:24 PM
Good for Steve. He's a better man than I. Vadger fans might be the single most annoying group on the planet. Can't imagine living in Wisconsin and being surrounded by them...all decked out in their finest Vadger gear from Kohls. Size XXL, of course.
+10
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 20, 2016, 11:10:24 PM
Good for Steve. He's a better man than I. Vadger fans might be the single most annoying group on the planet. Can't imagine living in Wisconsin and being surrounded by them...all decked out in their finest Vadger gear from Kohls. Size XXL, of course.
Yeah, this week might be worse than the past two years just because it was so goddamn unlikely. 9 and goddamn 9 and now in the Sweet 16. Just sickening.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 11:14:40 PM
Yeah, this week might be worse than the past two years just because it was so goddamn unlikely. 9 and goddamn 9 and now in the Sweet 16. Just sickening.
It's the worst. Hardly a peep on Facebook or Twitter during their first two games until the shot, and now the bandwagon is cranked up again.
F*cking Walmart Badgers, man. So goddamn annoying.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 20, 2016, 11:18:12 PM
It's the worst. Hardly a peep on Facebook or Twitter during their first two games until the shot, and now the bandwagon is cranked up again.
F*cking Walmart Badgers, man. So goddamn annoying.
So glad I'm two time zones away from that crap. Feel for those who are surrounded by it. To make it worse, I fully expect UW to beat ND. Wouldn't stun me to see them in the Final Four again.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 20, 2016, 11:18:12 PM
It's the worst. Hardly a peep on Facebook or Twitter during their first two games until the shot, and now the bandwagon is cranked up again.
F*cking Walmart Badgers, man. So goddamn annoying.
My wife joked that they must not know the tournament was on because there was no chatter on her social media.
And now here we go again...
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
Xavier let that one get away. No excuse. I think that was a terrible call at the end but X should have never been in that situation.
I respectfully disagree, Crash.
I thought it was a charge in regular time and absolutely thought it was a charge each time I saw the replay.
Frankly, I thought it was an obvious call. If the ref didn't call that, he would have heard from his supervisor later.
Like I said in another thread... if that's Haani instead of Showalter, we'd be screaming bloody murder if they didn't call a charge.
He sold it, no doubt. But Sumner dipped the shoulder, and that call is almost automatic.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 20, 2016, 11:28:56 PM
Like I said in another thread... if that's Haani instead of Showalter, we'd be screaming bloody murder if they didn't call a charge.
He sold it, no doubt. But Sumner dipped the shoulder, and that call is almost automatic.
If it was Cheatham, he wouldn't have gone down like he was hit by a sniper. I watch a ton of soccer and that dive would put Ronaldo to shame. When you're falling and crying to the ref before contact is made, it's not a foul. Not in any sport ever. Look at the national Twitter response. Everyone knew it was not a foul. What's worse is the refs swallowed their whistles the last two minutes, then decided the game on a call.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
If it was Cheatham, he wouldn't have gone down like he was hit by a sniper. I watch a ton of soccer and that dive would put Ronaldo to shame. When you're falling and crying to the ref before contact is made, it's not a foul. Not in any sport ever. Look at the national Twitter response. Everyone knew it was not a foul. What's worse is the refs swallowed their whistles the last two minutes, then decided the game on a call.
Twitter proves nothing.
You have an opinion and many happen to think it's wrong. Including the only one who mattered.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2016, 11:22:42 PM
I respectfully disagree, Crash.
I thought it was a charge in regular time and absolutely thought it was a charge each time I saw the replay.
Frankly, I thought it was an obvious call. If the ref didn't call that, he would have heard from his supervisor later.
Mike
No probs, mate. My point was not about the call but the fact that Xavier should never have been in a position where that mattered.
The worst part is that it had to be Koening who made that shot at the other end.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
If it was Cheatham, he wouldn't have gone down like he was hit by a sniper. I watch a ton of soccer and that dive would put Ronaldo to shame. When you're falling and crying to the ref before contact is made, it's not a foul. Not in any sport ever. Look at the national Twitter response. Everyone knew it was not a foul. What's worse is the refs swallowed their whistles the last two minutes, then decided the game on a call.
Brew doesn't mess around with charge calls evidently ;)
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 20, 2016, 11:53:18 PM
Brew doesn't mess around with charge calls evidently ;)
Imo it was the right call. A flop? Yes, but the right call. Sumner didn't deserve the call either. He was going no where.
Quote from: keefe on March 20, 2016, 11:50:40 PM
Mike
No probs, mate. My point was not about the call but the fact that Xavier should never have been in a position where that mattered.
The worst part is that it had to be Koening who made that shot at the other end.
This sums it up the best.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 20, 2016, 11:59:47 PM
Imo it was the right call. A flop? Yes, but the right call. Sumner didn't deserve the call either. He was going no where.
Ever hear of a no call?
Bucky sucks.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 09:50:17 PM
Don't blame the call, X took stupid shot after stupid shot. They couldn't stop Happ, Koenig lit them up. Xavier's game to lose, and they did.
I watched parts of the game last night and kept saying why does Xavier keep chucking 3s? They seem to score at will when they get the ball inside.
Xaviers coach lost the game for them. I don't know the exact time but Xavier got the bonus with roughly 14 mins left in the half. There center Reynolds was absolutely abusing happ/hayes/brown. Why they didn't continue to pound it inside with wisconsins foul trouble is beyond me.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 10:46:30 PM
I never said the punishments weren't too extreme, but the problem was the incidents kept happening and happening and happening, and that leads to some bad decisions at times. What I find a great fallacy is MU running him out of town, which didn't happen.
Let me ask you a logic 101 question Sultan, would the "excessive punishments" have happened if the "crimes" didn't? Pretty much sums it up.
Actually no. That isn't logical. You don't throw someone in jail for 6 months due to a speeding ticket.
And the incidents didn't "keep happening and happening and happening." I thought Buzz and his players represented the University very well. Were they perfect? No. However the elitist BS that followed from the BOT and the MU administration, and ham fistedly carried out by SP and LW, was an indictment of their leadership as well.
They used a flame thrower when a fly swatter would have done just fine.
Quote from: Mu2323 on March 21, 2016, 08:20:08 AM
Xaviers coach lost the game for them. I don't know the exact time but Xavier got the bonus with roughly 14 mins left in the half. There center Reynolds was absolutely abusing happ/hayes/brown. Why they didn't continue to pound it inside with wisconsins foul trouble is beyond me.
Reynolds played the last 6 minutes with 4 fouls (2 very questionable ones at that) and he was the only one who could check Happ, I'm sure they didn't want to risk an offensive foul on Reynolds and have no answer for Happ on the defensive end.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 11:14:40 PM
Yeah, this week might be worse than the past two years just because it was so goddamn unlikely. 9 and goddamn 9 and now in the Sweet 16. Just sickening.
Yeah it's really bad and it if sparked a fight in my house. Wife is one of "good" badger fans, she follows her team, doesn't trash talk unless just for fun and will route for Marquette. She was overjoyed last night but then got mad at me when I was sulking about the result (literally walked out of the room when the shot left Koenig's hand because I knew it was going in). Had to have an entire discussion with her about how difficult it is to be Marquette fan in Wisconsin general and Milwaukee specifically.
50% of the "fans" I meet don't know when the Badgers are playing or name a player other than Nigel Hayes. Literally had one "fan" at work who thought the new coaches name was Craig for like 4 weeks. And the majority of fans who know what they are talking about are obnoxious, arrogant and just annoying. They go out of their way to be antagonistic when things are going well for Bucky and not for Marquette. And Wisconsin's bandwagon is just ridiculous, but if Marquette is doing well, crickets except for those Bucky fans that just crap all over us. I know this sounds like whining but I don't care, f$%k Bucky and f$%k their fans
pheeewww, I feel better, thanks
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 21, 2016, 08:39:02 AM
Actually no. That isn't logical. You don't throw someone in jail for 6 months due to a speeding ticket.
And the incidents didn't "keep happening and happening and happening." I thought Buzz and his players represented the University very well. Were they perfect? No. However the elitist BS that followed from the BOT and the MU administration, and ham fistedly carried out by SP and LW, was an indictment of their leadership as well.
They used a flame thrower when a fly swatter would have done just fine.
Bottom line, BW, LW, SP, and the BoT failed to be leaders and adults in this situation and have put Marquette in a tough spot.
I think BW's failings have been pretty well documented(apparently except for Chicos), LW and SP have as well to a certain extent but the failings of the BoT have not and my concern is that will show itself again in the next couple of years and make a tough Marquette position even harder.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 08:48:12 AM
Yeah it's really bad and it if sparked a fight in my house. Wife is one of "good" badger fans, she follows her team, doesn't trash talk unless just for fun and will route for Marquette. She was overjoyed last night but then got mad at me when I was sulking about the result (literally walked out of the room when the shot left Koenig's hand because I knew it was going in). Had to have an entire discussion with her about how difficult it is to be Marquette fan in Wisconsin general and Milwaukee specifically.
50% of the "fans" I meet don't know when the Badgers are playing or name a player other than Nigel Hayes. Literally had one "fan" at work who thought the new coaches name was Craig for like 4 weeks. And the majority of fans who know what they are talking about are obnoxious, arrogant and just annoying. They go out of their way to be antagonistic when things are going well for Bucky and not for Marquette. And Wisconsin's bandwagon is just ridiculous, but if Marquette is doing well, crickets except for those Bucky fans that just crap all over us. I know this sounds like whining but I don't care, f$%k Bucky and f$%k their fans
pheeewww, I feel better, thanks
This, all of this. Ugh, will have to hear about the "grittiness" of Showalter all freaking day. Whether it was a charge or not, he is setting himself to draw a foul and not defending Sumner. Those are two very different things in my mind. Basketball should adopt the soccer "flopping" rule and give personal fouls for flopping to try and stem the tide of guys deceiving refs. But this would also mean that the already terrible refs have to decide something else.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 20, 2016, 11:20:29 PM
So glad I'm two time zones away from that crap. Feel for those who are surrounded by it. To make it worse, I fully expect UW to beat ND. Wouldn't stun me to see them in the Final Four again.
This is way worse than the last 2 years. We knew that was coming. Everyone in this state forgot about them until tourney started. Know they got a week to or more to be....well vadgery
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 08:48:12 AM
Yeah it's really bad and it if sparked a fight in my house. Wife is one of "good" badger fans, she follows her team, doesn't trash talk unless just for fun and will route for Marquette. She was overjoyed last night but then got mad at me when I was sulking about the result (literally walked out of the room when the shot left Koenig's hand because I knew it was going in). Had to have an entire discussion with her about how difficult it is to be Marquette fan in Wisconsin general and Milwaukee specifically.
50% of the "fans" I meet don't know when the Badgers are playing or name a player other than Nigel Hayes. Literally had one "fan" at work who thought the new coaches name was Craig for like 4 weeks. And the majority of fans who know what they are talking about are obnoxious, arrogant and just annoying. They go out of their way to be antagonistic when things are going well for Bucky and not for Marquette. And Wisconsin's bandwagon is just ridiculous, but if Marquette is doing well, crickets except for those Bucky fans that just crap all over us. I know this sounds like whining but I don't care, f$%k Bucky and f$%k their fans
pheeewww, I feel better, thanks
Really glad I married a MU alumna and live in Illinois right now. It also gives you some perspective about how little people really care about college basketball, and how insular the state of Wisconsin is in regards to the Badgers. I haven't heard peep about UW's game winning shot in any of the local media, sports radio, etc. It is just not on the radar. No one cares. It is nice.
If it weren't for Dbags like Dekker I wouldn't even care what UW does. But they talk out of both sides of their mouths about how they don't care about MU, that they are our Superbowl, act like we are little brother, but then talk sh!t the first chance they get. If you really don't care about MU, why not just enjoy the win?
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 08:48:12 AM
50% of the "fans" I meet don't know when the Badgers are playing or name a player other than Nigel Hayes. Literally had one "fan" at work who thought the new coaches name was Craig for like 4 weeks. And the majority of fans who know what they are talking about are obnoxious, arrogant and just annoying. They go out of their way to be antagonistic when things are going well for Bucky and not for Marquette. And Wisconsin's bandwagon is just ridiculous, but if Marquette is doing well, crickets except for those Bucky fans that just crap all over us. I know this sounds like whining but I don't care, f$%k Bucky and f$%k their fans
Didn't you know? It's perfectly acceptable for them to hate Marquette, but not for you to hate "da baadgers."
Quote from: Coleman on March 21, 2016, 09:02:41 AM
If it weren't for Dbags like Dekker I wouldn't even care what UW does. But they talk out of both sides of their mouths about how they don't care about MU, that they are our Superbowl, act like we are little brother, but then talk sh!t the first chance they get. If you really don't care about MU, why not just enjoy the win?
Because they do care, a lot. We're in Dekkers head.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 08:48:12 AM
Yeah it's really bad and it if sparked a fight in my house. Wife is one of "good" badger fans, she follows her team, doesn't trash talk unless just for fun and will route for Marquette. She was overjoyed last night but then got mad at me when I was sulking about the result (literally walked out of the room when the shot left Koenig's hand because I knew it was going in). Had to have an entire discussion with her about how difficult it is to be Marquette fan in Wisconsin general and Milwaukee specifically.
50% of the "fans" I meet don't know when the Badgers are playing or name a player other than Nigel Hayes. Literally had one "fan" at work who thought the new coaches name was Craig for like 4 weeks. And the majority of fans who know what they are talking about are obnoxious, arrogant and just annoying. They go out of their way to be antagonistic when things are going well for Bucky and not for Marquette. And Wisconsin's bandwagon is just ridiculous, but if Marquette is doing well, crickets except for those Bucky fans that just crap all over us. I know this sounds like whining but I don't care, f$%k Bucky and f$%k their fans
pheeewww, I feel better, thanks
I've often found that the most obnoxious, hostile Badger supporters/Marquette haters are the ones who went to UW-Someplace (i.e. not Madison). That always seemed strange to me.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 09:00:37 AM
This is way worse than the last 2 years. We knew that was coming. Everyone in this state forgot about them until tourney started. Know they got a week to or more to be....well vadgery
Are you an English teacher by chance?
The charge call on Sumner was borderline at best, but he lowered his shoulder and went straight into the defender. Showalter was also moving and may have flopped but he fell straight back and that was clearly the best play to make as defender in that situation as refs will often call a charge on that play. Like it or not, flopping and arbitrary calls are a huge part of basketball and you see it in every game. UW came up huge in the clutch and X fell apart down the stretch. Super annoying but move on.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 08:50:28 AM
Bottom line, BW, LW, SP, and the BoT failed to be leaders and adults in this situation and have put Marquette in a tough spot.
I think BW's failings have been pretty well documented(apparently except for Chicos), LW and SP have as well to a certain extent but the failings of the BoT have not and my concern is that will show itself again in the next couple of years and make a tough Marquette position even harder.
I thought they were pretty well documented as well, but then I read asshattery comments about Saint Buzz that clearly lead me to think they weren't.
At any rate, I don't think MU is in a tough spot. The hiroshima nonsense, we are SLU nonsense, etc...all overblown nonsense and people running around here with their heads cut off. People have the patience of teenage girls waiting to be asked to the prom.
Quote from: Coleman on March 21, 2016, 09:02:41 AM
Really glad I married a MU alumna and live in Illinois right now. It also gives you some perspective about how little people really care about college basketball, and how insular the state of Wisconsin is in regards to the Badgers. I haven't heard peep about UW's game winning shot in any of the local media, sports radio, etc. It is just not on the radar. No one cares. It is nice.
My first job out of college I had a co-worker who was a very nice lady but she had pretty much never been out of the state of Wisconsin. Shortly after I started, she asked me what Illinois people really think about the Badgers. I replied: We don't.
I realized that it came across rather dickish, which wasn't my intent (in that situation ;)), so I smiled and sort of backtracked, telling her that I was never a big U of I fan, I went to MU, etc.
The fact of the matter is that no one outside of Wisconsin cares or thinks about the Badgers much. I'm not saying that MU is constantly on the minds of college basketball fans, but I also feel like MU fans recognize that.
It was impossible for Xavier to win when they had both hands around their throat.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2016, 09:21:56 AM
My first job out of college I had a co-worker who was a very nice lady but she had pretty much never been out of the state of Wisconsin. Shortly after I started, she asked me what Illinois people really think about the Badgers. I replied: We don't.
I realized that it came across rather dickish, which wasn't my intent (in that situation ;)), so I smiled and sort of backtracked, telling her that I was never a big U of I fan, I went to MU, etc.
The fact of the matter is that no one outside of Wisconsin cares or thinks about the Badgers much. I'm not saying that MU is constantly on the minds of college basketball fans, but I also feel like MU fans recognize that.
I grew up in western MN and the entire state of Wisconsin didn't even register in anyone's mind -- we were oriented towards the west. If it wasn't for Marquette, I may well have yet to step foot in the state.
A few years ago, I was talking with a friend of mine from high school (I went to high school in Madison) that went to UW-Oshkosh.
He asked me, with a legitimate quizzical look on his face, "who do you root for when Marquette and Wisconsin play each other?" My response was "Why would I root for Wisconsin? I went to Marquette."
He looked at me like I was speaking Farsi. For awhile he just couldn't seem to comprehend what I had just said. I don't think most UW fans are dicks about it, I just don't think they understand that some people from Wisconsin root for other teams. Its the one D1 program in the state with a football team. It's just natural for them to root for Madison.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 21, 2016, 09:33:42 AM
A few years ago, I was talking with a friend of mine from high school (I went to high school in Madison) that went to UW-Oshkosh.
He asked me, with a legitimate quizzical look on his face, "who do you root for when Marquette and Wisconsin play each other?" My response was "Why would I root for Wisconsin? I went to Marquette."
He looked at me like I was speaking Farsi. For awhile he just couldn't seem to comprehend what I had just said. I don't think most UW fans are dicks about it, I just don't think they understand that some people from Wisconsin root for other teams. Its the one D1 program in the state with a football team. It's just natural for them to root for Madison.
This is exactly the case. And more than a few take it as an afront to Wisky because you cheer for someone else. You should see the eye rolls I get at my daughters bball games from Bucky fans when I wear MU gear.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
I've often found that the most obnoxious, hostile Badger supporters/Marquette haters are the ones who went to UW-Someplace (i.e. not Madison). That always seemed strange to me.
That is absolutely true.
I think it is just a result of only have one major state school program in-state, especially because of it being the only football program. Everyone just thinks cheering for UW is the default. And it just carries over to basketball, even when there are other D1 programs.
You don't get that when there's Iowa-Iowa State, Michigan-Michigan State, etc. to choose from.
It is what it is. I don't begrudge Wisconsinsites rooting for the Badgers. I just don't understand the obsession with taunting MU fans when Bucky gets a taste of success.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 08:41:15 AM
Reynolds played the last 6 minutes with 4 fouls (2 very questionable ones at that) and he was the only one who could check Happ, I'm sure they didn't want to risk an offensive foul on Reynolds and have no answer for Happ on the defensive end.
I've already said that I thought the charge call was a no-brainer ... and I very much wanted Wisconsin to lose. Others have disagreed and that's fine. We all have opinions.
To me, a non-call played a major part in this game with about 5 minutes to go and X was up 6. Reynolds was positioning himself to score over Happ, who reached in to slap the ball away. It looked like a foul at the time, replays showed it should have been a foul and Steve Smith said it looked like a foul. It would have been Happ's fourth. More significantly, it prevented X from adding to its lead and it led to a Bucky fast-break basket. So it was a 4-point swing AND no fourth foul on Happ AND big-time momentum for Bucky, who had been reeling. Huge turn of events.
Sometimes no-calls affect a game as much as -- or more than -- calls.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2016, 09:21:56 AM
I'm not saying that MU is constantly on the minds of college basketball fans
How dare you!
In an effort to keep this "fair" I think there is a terrible scourge within the Marquette fanbase as well that should be rooted out. It is the Marquette alum that cheers for Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette. I have at least two "friends" that were super excited about last nights win and were wearing badger clothes while watching....both Marquette grads who have season tickets to MU games. They always use the "I grew up in Wisconsin" excuse, which is just total garbage. You don't get to have two teams (who hate each other) as teams you root for so you almost always have a positive outcome. These people must be stopped.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
In an effort to keep this "fair" I think there is a terrible scourge within the Marquette fanbase as well that should be rooted out. It is the Marquette alum that cheers for Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette. I have at least two "friends" that were super excited about last nights win and were wearing badger clothes while watching....both Marquette grads who have season tickets to MU games. They always use the "I grew up in Wisconsin" excuse, which is just total garbage. You don't get to have two teams (who hate each other) as teams you root for so you almost always have a positive outcome. These people must be stopped.
They should be executed with the same gun that shot Showalter last night.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2016, 10:03:04 AM
I've already said that I thought the charge call was a no-brainer ... and I very much wanted Wisconsin to lose. Others have disagreed and that's fine. We all have opinions.
To me, a non-call played a major part in this game with about 5 minutes to go and X was up 6. Reynolds was positioning himself to score over Happ, who reached in to slap the ball away. It looked like a foul at the time, replays showed it should have been a foul and Steve Smith said it looked like a foul. It would have been Happ's fourth. More significantly, it prevented X from adding to its lead and it led to a Bucky fast-break basket. So it was a 4-point swing AND no fourth foul on Happ AND big-time momentum for Bucky, who had been reeling. Huge turn of events.
Sometimes no-calls affect a game as much as -- or more than -- calls.
This is all correct....but I'm definitely in the camp that X blew it because they shouldn't have put themselves in a position where the officiating mattered. They had no reason to let Wisconsin keep it that close...terrible job by X.
#AnyonebutWisconsin
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2016, 11:02:07 AM
They should be executed with the same gun that shot Showalter last night.
Agreed....made a joke on twitter last night, wondering if Wisconsin was going to send OJ to find the real sniper that got Showalter. I stand by that joke.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Agreed....made a joke on twitter last night, wondering if Wisconsin was going to send OJ to find the real sniper that got Showalter. I stand by that joke.
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Quote from: Coleman on March 21, 2016, 09:54:12 AM
I think it is just a result of only have one major state school program in-state, especially because of it being the only football program. Everyone just thinks cheering for UW is the default. And it just carries over to basketball, even when there are other D1 programs.
You don't get that when there's Iowa-Iowa State, Michigan-Michigan State, etc. to choose from.
It is what it is. I don't begrudge Wisconsinsites rooting for the Badgers. I just don't understand the obsession with taunting MU fans when Bucky gets a taste of success.
I was just going to comment on this. In WA there is a clear divide between U Dub and Wazzou but, as with the Oregon - Oregon State rivalry, this is a friendly thing as families tend to have DNA in both camps. (DoT actually has a license plate that has both purple and red lettering for those families)
What is fascinating, though, is that when the Zags are making a run the whole state gets behind them in a way that Wisconsinonians never would support Marquette.
This is just my opinion but I always found people from WI to be some of the most parochial folks I have come across.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
It is the Marquette alum that cheers for Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette. I have at least two "friends" that were super excited about last nights win and were wearing badger clothes while watching....both Marquette grads who have season tickets to MU games.
Then they shouldn't be your "friends" goddamit.
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
This is just my opinion but I always found people from WI to be some of the most parochial folks I have come across.
There are folks in Boston sharpening their pitchforks and lighting torches at this comment
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
In an effort to keep this "fair" I think there is a terrible scourge within the Marquette fanbase as well that should be rooted out. It is the Marquette alum that cheers for Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette. I have at least two "friends" that were super excited about last nights win and were wearing badger clothes while watching....both Marquette grads who have season tickets to MU games. They always use the "I grew up in Wisconsin" excuse, which is just total garbage. You don't get to have two teams (who hate each other) as teams you root for so you almost always have a positive outcome. These people must be stopped.
You clearly have an unhealthy obsession.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
There are folks in Boston sharpening their pitchforks and lighting torches at this comment
New england and Ohio are probably above wisconsin. Good call
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
You clearly have an unhealthy obsession.
I'm quite certain I do, but the good thing is certain individuals who might indicate such things aren't visible to me so I can't possibly realize it ;)
Gonzaga, Wisconsin 16 plus straight NCAAs.. Jeez I it seems like we are completly lacking compared to these programs you'd think we'd be on the same level with.. Ugh I miss the NCAAs. I'm sick of the excuses. we could miss 10 straight NCAAs and the nuts on here would still say oh we're young and respect the process. screw you guys. What's buckys excuse? They lose the coach and everyone from the final four team and sure enough it still is sweet as hell for them
Quote from: Johnny B on March 21, 2016, 11:31:18 AM
Gonzaga, Wisconsin 16 plus straight NCAAs.. Jeez I it seems like we are completly lacking compared to these programs you'd think we'd be on the same level with.. Ugh I miss the NCAAs. I'm sick of the excuses. we could miss 10 straight NCAAs and the nuts on here would still say oh we're young and respect the process. screw you guys. What's buckys excuse? They lose the coach and everyone from the final four team and sure enough it still is sweet as hell for them
Might want to check your facts before you make a silly statement like that. Every one of their starters was on the Final Four(including Happ). Being young doesn't mean they're inexperienced.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
New england and Ohio are probably above wisconsin. Good call
I used to have a co-worker with an Ohio State helmet and Woody Hayes bobblehead sitting on top of his file cabinet...next to his diploma from the University of Toledo.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
In an effort to keep this "fair" I think there is a terrible scourge within the Marquette fanbase as well that should be rooted out. It is the Marquette alum that cheers for Wisconsin almost as much as they do Marquette. I have at least two "friends" that were super excited about last nights win and were wearing badger clothes while watching....both Marquette grads who have season tickets to MU games. They always use the "I grew up in Wisconsin" excuse, which is just total garbage. You don't get to have two teams (who hate each other) as teams you root for so you almost always have a positive outcome. These people must be stopped.
Yes, yes, yes. I grew up in Wisconsin and lived there for 22 years. I was never a Badger fan and never one shall I be. It was always MU or SLU (my parents' alma mater) bball for me. Never cared about college football. The Packers were more fun to watch anyway.
I still don't understand why Miles Davis was playing off of Koenig when X was up 3 with ~11 secs to go. Get is his face, he drives by you into the bigs. If he scores, or UW scores, X is still up 1 with 5 -7 secs left. Inbound, get fouled. Instead Miles protects the lane (for some reason) and Koenig nails the 3.
That was the game to me, not the charge, or the 2nd 3 from BK.
X hasn't seen a team like Wisky, but Bluiett and Miles collectively played the worst games that I have seen them play in the last 2 years.
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
This is just my opinion but I always found people from WI to be some of the most parochial folks I have come across.
This is true in a plethora of ways, that go well beyond college sports.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 21, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
There are folks in Boston sharpening their pitchforks and lighting torches at this comment
Actually, you are quite correct. But remember that Boston is a collection of villages as opposed to a city.
Wisconsin has a more homogeneous northern European gestalt that makes it more insular.
People in Boston know of the larger world - they just feel superior to it.
Wisconsonians are far less aware of what lies beyond their borders and are therefore blissfully ignorant.
The difference while subtle is profound as it frames the respective weltanschauungs.
Damn, Keefe. You should write a thesis on that observation.
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2016, 12:17:22 PM
Actually, you are quite correct. But remember that Boston is a collection of villages as opposed to a city.
Wisconsin has a more homogeneous northern European gestalt that makes it more insular.
People in Boston know of the larger world - they just feel superior to it.
Wisconsonians are far less aware of what lies beyond their borders and are therefore blissfully ignorant.
The difference while subtle is profound as it frames the respective weltanschauungs.
Gesundheit
NVM
Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on March 21, 2016, 12:38:03 PM
A sexual assault is quite a lot more than a speeding ticket.
Some of the other crap CBB is complaining about, I don't really care about and honestly don't think the administration cared that much about either. But the sexual assault case was mishandled repeatedly. UPD messed up, Buzz messed up, Cottingham messed up, the administration messed up. Everyone had the best of intentions but how that report was handled landed Marquette in hot water with the Department of Education for Title IX violations. This was not a small matter. The administration did not overreact. I think the reaction wasn't the most strategic or graceful in some cases but the level of reaction was justified given the severity of the situation.
It was an institutional breakdown as you mentioned. Yet Buzz and his boss were put on the hook for it. His boss perhaps rightfully so because their Title IX procedures were largely written when he was Counsel. But the leash they put Buzz on after that was largely unnecessary, including the zero-tolerance policy that cost Monarch his job over what was basically a secondary recruiting violation.
Don't get me wrong, Buzz should have been disciplined. But there were much better ways of handling that then MU did at the time.
Instead of y'all bein' pissed off why don't ya give UW props for havin' the ability to pull this game out? Furthermore, da team we support has a long fookin' way back to even sniff playin' on da second weekend. Wojo has gotta roll his sleeves all da way up and start by recruitin' better playas. One problem is he no longer has playin' time to sell, hey?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 21, 2016, 12:39:04 PM
Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.
Get your @$$ to a game
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Instead of y'all bein' pissed off why don't ya give UW props for havin' the ability to pull this game out? Furthermore, da team we support has a long fookin' way back to even sniff playin' on da second weekend. Wojo has gotta roll his sleeves all da way up and start by recruitin' better playas. One problem is he no longer has playin' time to sell, hey?
The internet rage has to be channeled somewhere....apparently we're not allowed to be mad at Wojo until 2019 and the former administration exorcised the devil two years ago.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 21, 2016, 12:39:04 PM
Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.
Is this an intentionally ironic statement or an accidentally ironic one?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 21, 2016, 12:39:04 PM
Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.
FOUR WHOLE MONTHS!!!???!!!!
Quote from: Coleman on March 21, 2016, 01:10:53 PM
Get your @$$ to a game
I had season tickets too, my thought process was either I had work and was too busy, or I really didn't want to take a 3 hour round trip drive to see them lose. Don't worry though, all tickets were given away.
And intentionally ironic Eng. I could go into more detail of why I don't go and visit but it's not essential to the story.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 21, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
It was an institutional breakdown as you mentioned. Yet Buzz and his boss were put on the hook for it. His boss perhaps rightfully so because their Title IX procedures were largely written when he was Counsel. But the leash they put Buzz on after that was largely unnecessary, including the zero-tolerance policy that cost Monarch his job over what was basically a secondary recruiting violation.
Don't get me wrong, Buzz should have been disciplined. But there were much better ways of handling that then MU did at the time.
I think you're forgetting three things
1. The issue with Monarch happened inside a year of a similar violation by Juan Anderson.
2. Even if the issue was minor, the fact that it was one of multiple minor violations over a short window (Anderson, the title IX issues) raises the possibility of MU being hit with a "lack of institutional control" accusation.
3. Monarch lied to the MU compliance staff about it.
This was a bit more than a "zero-tolerance staff throwing the book at an innocent mistake" as you imply here.
1. Not really relevant. Institutions commit secondary violations that are reported regularly. They weren't on a zero tolerance policy because Juan took baseball players from a boosters kid.
2. Title IX has nothing to do with NCAA violations. Would not have been a factor.
3. You are correct. But he lied because there was a zero tolerance policy in effect. Well run organizations rarely implement such policies. They actually allow adults to make decisions using their judgement.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 21, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
I think you're forgetting three things
1. The issue with Monarch happened inside a year of a similar violation by Juan Anderson.
2. Even if the issue was minor, the fact that it was one of multiple minor violations over a short window (Anderson, the title IX issues) raises the possibility of MU being hit with a "lack of institutional control" accusation.
3. Monarch lied to the MU compliance staff about it.
This was a bit more than a "zero-tolerance staff throwing the book at an innocent mistake" as you imply here.
People keep talking about how bad it was. If it was so bad you have two options...1. get agreement on how things will be run or 2. fire the individual.
The former administration decided deal with it passive aggressively....
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 21, 2016, 04:38:36 PM
People keep talking about how bad it was. If it was so bad you have two options...1. get agreement on how things will be run or 2. fire the individual.
The former administration decided deal with it passive aggressively....
Well stated. Very well stated.
Minor violations and allegations of 18-22 year olds behaving badly occur at institutions of higher learning all of the time. Buzz made mistakes. Stipulated. MU managed to (1) screw up on all levels allegations of sexual abuse. (2) Implement a silly zero tolerance policy (3) manage to get an assistant coach fired (shouldn't have lied, stipulated), (4) get an assistant AD fired, (5) bring in an overmatched president (6) who in turn brought in an AD with directions to clean up an episodic, not systemic issue who managed to piss off everybody, leading to (7) a new president, (8) a new AD, (9) a new coach, all leading to the angst most have for the program today.
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2016, 12:17:22 PM
Actually, you are quite correct. But remember that Boston is a collection of villages as opposed to a city.
Wisconsin has a more homogeneous northern European gestalt that makes it more insular.
People in Boston know of the larger world - they just feel superior to it.
Wisconsonians are far less aware of what lies beyond their borders and are therefore blissfully ignorant.
The difference while subtle is profound as it frames the respective weltanschauungs.
Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 05:18:35 PM
Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.
Irony.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 05:18:35 PM
Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.
Honestly, was that supposed to be teal? Because it really couldn't t be further from the truth, at least not in most people I have interacted with. Hell, many of the people here can't wait to get the fook out of here from November to April AND upon retirement for tax-hell purposes. Also, many many do look forward to traveling to where their parents and grandparents came from
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 21, 2016, 06:54:24 PM
Honestly, was that supposed to be teal? Because it really couldn't t be further from the truth, at least not in most people I have interacted with. Hell, many of the people here can't wait to get the fook out of here from November to April AND upon retirement for tax-hell purposes. Also, many many do look forward to traveling to where their parents and grandparents came from
No. Based on my interactions over the years.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 07:02:45 PM
No. Based on my interactions over the years.
Just checking. But having spent 53 of my 55 years here, Wisconsin is still known for being a tax-hell and if one is able, they are moving to Tennessee, Texas, Arkansas, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, Alaska(yup, that Alaska). Two reasons-TAXES, and weather
Not only eff the Wisconsin Badgers, but eff the entire state :) Scoop is never dull
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2016, 04:44:47 PM
Minor violations and allegations of 18-22 year olds behaving badly occur at institutions of higher learning all of the time. Buzz made mistakes. Stipulated. MU managed to (1) screw up on all levels allegations of sexual abuse. (2) Implement a silly zero tolerance policy (3) manage to get an assistant coach fired (shouldn't have lied, stipulated), (4) get an assistant AD fired, (5) bring in an overmatched president (6) who in turn brought in an AD with directions to clean up an episodic, not systemic issue who managed to piss off everybody, leading to (7) a new president, (8) a new AD, (9) a new coach, all leading to the angst most have for the program today.
goddammit, that is succinct.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 21, 2016, 10:23:23 PM
goddammit, that is succinct.
Yea, but he forgot to mention the sweat stained hat
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 21, 2016, 04:37:32 PM
1. Not really relevant. Institutions commit secondary violations that are reported regularly. They weren't on a zero tolerance policy because Juan took baseball players from a boosters kid.
As I said, one minor violation in isolation isn't a problem. A second violation for a similar offense within months of the first is a bigger problem. The first violation brings with it internal education, which makes the second more serious.
The first time, someone can get away with "I didn't understand the rules." The second time, that excuse doesn't wash.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 21, 2016, 04:37:32 PM
2. Title IX has nothing to do with NCAA violations. Would not have been a factor.
It may not have resulted in a direct NCAA penalty, but would be another piece of evidence supporting lack of institutional control.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 21, 2016, 04:37:32 PM
3. You are correct. But he lied because there was a zero tolerance policy in effect. Well run organizations rarely implement such policies. They actually allow adults to make decisions using their judgement.
I could see your point if the punishment was for an accidental, one-off violation of a confusing or difficult-to-understand NCAA rule.
But there is no lack of clarity with respect to the rule that Monarch violated. Or MU's expectations around it.
This was knowing disregard for a well known and extremely clear NCAA rule that occurred within months of a similar incident, and knowing that the employer made it clear that they had no tolerance for additional such violations.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 05:18:35 PM
Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.
This maybe the dumbest thing I have ever read on Scoop.
Wisconsinites actually take pride in NEVER venturing to other states????????
Dumb.
GO CUBS!
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 22, 2016, 07:56:45 AM
As I said, one minor violation in isolation isn't a problem. A second violation for a similar offense within months of the first is a bigger problem. The first violation brings with it internal education, which makes the second more serious.
The first time, someone can get away with "I didn't understand the rules." The second time, that excuse doesn't wash.
It may not have resulted in a direct NCAA penalty, but would be another piece of evidence supporting lack of institutional control.
I could see your point if the punishment was for an accidental, one-off violation of a confusing or difficult-to-understand NCAA rule.
But there is no lack of clarity with respect to the rule that Monarch violated. Or MU's expectations around it.
This was knowing disregard for a well known and extremely clear NCAA rule that occurred within months of a similar incident, and knowing that the employer made it clear that they had no tolerance for additional such violations.
I'd site this very post as evidence that you don't understand the NCAA enforcement mechanism nor how university administration and/or athletic departments work. The number of minor violations that occur at any given school in a given year is pretty significant. Hell, I personally witnessed at least 3 my freshmen year of school at MU in a non-revenue sport
Let me preface this with two things: 1. I'm not making excuses for actions or behaviors, I acknowledge they should not have happened and there should be consequences of some sort for the issues. 2. I am not a win at all costs guy by any means, I place a lot of value on running a clean program (clean's a relative term I guess)
Nothing that occurred under Buzz William's watch at any time, even in combination, put MU or it's athletic programs at risk. Worst case scenario was that there was a lot of talk and potential bad PR coming MU's way given the environment outside of MU during the time these things were going on (Penn State, Syracuse, Virginia frat story, etc). It was an environment ripe for witch hunting and fear mongering if you didn't have steady leadership, but there was no actual danger to the program from anything other than our own fears. The BoT reacted to that fear and made a poor choice in president and then helped that president make a poor choice in AD.
Both LW and SP were people who had one tool in the tool belt of leadership and handling difficult situations. They had a hammer and as a consequence all they saw were nails. This further poisoned the well making the LW, SP, BW team untenable. The BoT finally realized they over corrected on their course...tried to salvage it, but realized quickly that nothing could be saved and decided to build a whole new boat and try again. The BoT f$5ked up in the first place, but to their credit they at least realized how bad they screwed up and have seemingly made the right moves the last couple of years to get things back to a good place.
Side note, there was a power struggle within the BoT at the same time the BW stuff was going on, so that didn't help any either. Just goes to show you that adults can be just as bad as kids only with more significant consequences.
Lastly, BW could have done a better job of controlling and managing the situations, so he definitely has blame here....but at worst it was a teachable moment.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 22, 2016, 08:39:11 AM
Nothing that occurred under Buzz William's watch at any time, even in combination, put MU or it's athletic programs at risk.
This is wrong. Title IX investigations can and do put the university at risk. All the other crap is small time and just noise, you are right about that. But screwing up any sexual assault report is bad. Screwing up multiple times at multiple levels on a sexual assault report involving high profile athletes is very very bad. Buzz wasn't the main screw up with that situation however. He did screw up but his role in it was fairly minor compared to others.
As others have said, this was an episodic issue, not a systematic one. But don't try to minimize how bad this one episode was. The level of reaction from the administration was justified, but they attacked it as if it was systematic and not episodic which was the issue.
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on March 22, 2016, 10:11:58 AM
This is wrong. Title IX investigations can and do put the university at risk. All the other crap is small time and just noise, you are right about that. But screwing up any sexual assault report is bad. Screwing up multiple times at multiple levels on a sexual assault report involving high profile athletes is very very bad. Buzz wasn't the main screw up with that situation however. He did screw up but his role in it was fairly minor compared to others.
As others have said, this was an episodic issue, not a systematic one. But don't try to minimize how bad this one episode was. The level of reaction from the administration was justified, but they attacked it as if it was systematic and not episodic which was the issue.
I don't deny that a title IX investigation is detrimental, but that was driven by national optics more than any issues actually inherent at MU. Yes, MU had a lot to clean up (that should have been taken care of before in happened) but it is highly unlikely that MU would have been hammered on for it. The BoT panicked and the rest is history.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 22, 2016, 10:19:16 AM
I don't deny that a title IX investigation is detrimental, but that was driven by national optics more than any issues actually inherent at MU. Yes, MU had a lot to clean up (that should have been taken care of before in happened) but it is highly unlikely that MU would have been hammered on for it. The BoT panicked and the rest is history.
Are you sure Marquette didn't get hammered for it?
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on March 22, 2016, 10:27:16 AM
Are you sure Marquette didn't get hammered for it?
For the incident that involved the athlete...to my knowledge, no they weren't hammered for it. However there are unrelated (read non-athlete) related investigations going on right now in that realm that may or may not result in punishment.
One of the reasons, if not the main reason, Marquette public safety is now the Marquette police department is because of title IX concerns.
Simple....drop drip drip drip...page 3, page 2, front page, front page, front page, evening news, etc. volume didn't help.
If the actions didn't take place so fast and I each other's heels, the reactions would have been small.
Quote from: mu03eng on March 22, 2016, 08:39:11 AM
I'd site this very post as evidence that you don't understand the NCAA enforcement mechanism nor how university administration and/or athletic departments work. The number of minor violations that occur at any given school in a given year is pretty significant. Hell, I personally witnessed at least 3 my freshmen year of school at MU in a non-revenue sport
How many resulted in a minimum 3-game suspension for an athlete?
And how many were repeated by the same sport inside the same academic year?
Quote from: mu03eng on March 22, 2016, 08:39:11 AM
Lastly, BW could have done a better job of controlling and managing the situations, so he definitely has blame here....but at worst it was a teachable moment.
So the fair question here . . . what do you expect as result of a teachable moment? Anderson is suspended for three games. There was your teachable moment.
Once again the Big East goes into the second weekend with just one horse in the race. If we are to make a name for ourselves it has to come during March. All the rest is mental masturbation.
I can sum this up in two words: Xavier Bluiett.
Quote from: keefe on March 23, 2016, 03:23:05 PM
Once again the Big East goes into the second weekend with just one horse in the race. If we are to make a name for ourselves it has to come during March. All the rest is mental masturbation.
True dat. The Big East can whine all it wants about being disrespected, but it needs to step up during the tourney. You earn respect...and multiple teams in the Sweet 16 will help get it done.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2016, 04:54:21 PM
I can sum this up in two words: Xavier Bluiett.
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