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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 01, 2016, 10:21:14 PM
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1. The first half was a work of art.
2. MU didn't have anyone with the combination of size and speed to match up with Copeland. It has never been more clear what Wojo's recruiting priority needs to be. Tonight, probably should have tried Cheatham sooner. And what a testament to Haanif that Wojo would move him off DSR to Copeland.
3. Hey, we got a preview of what next year will look like sans Henry. Who knew he was defensive glue, too?
4. I have rolled enough ankles. I think we all have. I have sympathy pains for that like I do when I see a crotch shot. We all feel ya, Henry.
5. Why did everybody stop looking for Luke?
6. Duane and JJ tried to take over once Georgetown took the lead. As upperclassmen should. It wasn't perfect, but you have to respect the effort. Still looking for some home court calls.
7. Traci was really good running the point tonight. His best game. Needed that second FT.
8. Duane with stones.
9. DSR with bigger ones. Not bad defense by Wally.
10. Great press break diagram by Wojo. And some say he can't make adjustments.
11. Luke with the biggest ones.
12. Great game.
13. And number 13, in honor of Henry..... get well, young man.
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Butler better watch their ass
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Wojo played 7 kids tonight - one of whom was unable to finish the game.
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1. The first half was a work of art.
< That first half was a perfect game plan executed perfectly.
5. Why did everybody stop looking for Luke?
< I thought it was more running plays with HE low and Luke high versus the other way around. Seems like when HE was 'moving' around the line the passes to Luke low were crisper and more open. When they switched the O bogged down.
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How is Gtown so bad with Derrickson and Copeland joining DSR?
And where do we go about recruiting guys like those two?
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Tower, this may have been your finest effort. Spot on for all 13 points.
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We had a very good team effort tonight. A ton of assists. Some of the plays reminded me of the 3 amigos. Henry needs some serious physical therapy on the ankle. Let him sit out Butler and get him healthy and then make our run at the BET.
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How is Gtown so bad with Derrickson and Copeland joining DSR?
And where do we go about recruiting guys like those two?
JT3 is your answer.
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JT3 is your answer.
So sign him to our staff. Have him recruit guys like them. Then tell him to go home?
Let's do it!!!
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Also, JJJ is 15/20 in his last 2 games.
Love having a guard who can attack great AND finish at the rim.
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Wojo played 7 kids tonight - one of whom was unable to finish the game.
Gtown also had 7 scholarship guys tonight fwiw
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Great play by Wojo to end the game. Great game by Luke. Big plays by Duane. Carter runs the offense well. JJJ continues to play under control. Use the extra day of rest Hank. We'll need you Saturday.
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Also, do you need to be .500 for a CBI invite? Our local Hoya Scooper is still hoping for a 1 seed...
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5. Why did everybody stop looking for Luke?
6. Duane and JJ tried to take over once Georgetown took the lead. As upperclassmen should. It wasn't perfect, but you have to respect the effort. Still looking for some home court calls.
13. And number 13, in honor of Henry..... get well, young man.
I know there was a big time gap between nos. 5 and 6, but I felt like Duane and JJ trying to take over and stop trying to get the ball to Luke moved the team further away from what had been so successful earlier in the game.
And, yes, get well Henry.
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Gtown also had 7 scholarship guys tonight fwiw
Which 2 guys that played are walk ons? Find that hard to believe.
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Great offensive game plan in the first half. Best all season.
Same crappy defense all season.
Wojo still can't make adjustments. That last play was not an adjustment, it was a diagrammed play that has been practiced and was executed. The way Fischer was used tonight is how he should have been used all year. Part of the problem is his foul trouble but part of that is lack of commitment to go down low time and time again.
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Great play by Wojo to end the game. Great game by Luke. Big plays by Duane. Carter runs the offense well. JJJ continues to play under control. Use the extra day of rest Hank. We'll need you Saturday.
I honestly don't think that was the call for the last play (didn't listen to Wojo's interview with Homer after the game). I think it was a combination of Fischer's hustle (probably with the intent to get under the rim for a rebound) and Carter's vision. Whatever. It worked.
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Great win. get well #13
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I know there was a big time gap between nos. 5 and 6, but I felt like Duane and JJ trying to take over and stop trying to get the ball to Luke moved the team further away from what had been so successful earlier in the game.
And, yes, get well Henry.
Luke was being doubled all second half so there were no real chances to feed him . Duane is Duane.
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Great offensive game plan in the first half. Best all season.
Same crappy defense all season.
Wojo still can't make adjustments. That last play was not an adjustment, it was a diagrammed play that has been practiced and was executed. The way Fischer was used tonight is how he should have been used all year. Part of the problem is his foul trouble but part of that is lack of commitment to go down low time and time again.
But did you enjoy the game??
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Which 2 guys that played are walk ons? Find that hard to believe.
Not sure. Gus mentioned it during game. Only one I know of is R.Williams, who played
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Jim Ganzer @theIWB 6m6 minutes ago
Game winning play for Marquette was drawn up in timeout huddle by assistant coach Brad Nelson - big time play
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Jim Ganzer @theIWB 6m6 minutes ago
Game winning play for Marquette was drawn up in timeout huddle by assistant coach Brad Nelson - big time play
DoneDeal!!
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Great offensive game plan in the first half. Best all season.
Same crappy defense all season.
Wojo still can't make adjustments. That last play was not an adjustment, it was a diagrammed play that has been practiced and was executed. The way Fischer was used tonight is how he should have been used all year. Part of the problem is his foul trouble but part of that is lack of commitment to go down low time and time again.
Diagrammed in the last huddle with the game on the line and you don't call that an adjustment? I've criticized the staff too, but they did a good job tonight, especially regrouping after GT took over when Henry went out.
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DoneDeal!!
Only if Shaka drew it up. I thought I heard a blimp hovering over the BC.
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Same crappy defense all season.
We were top 50 in adjusted D for most of the season. In last couple of games we have slipped down to 62.
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Hitting those two free throws with one second left was pretty impressive. .667 FT% for the year.
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Henry needs some serious physical therapy on the ankle. Let him sit out Butler and get him healthy and then make our run at the BET.
I'd say he should play against Butler, play the BET and any postseason we might have, and then rest it during the NBA draft events. Get it nice and ready for the pro-am.
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Georgetown had 8 scholarship players. Riyan Williams is the only walk on that played.
White and Hayes are injured. We only have 10 scholarship players. We had 7 last year. I'm not going to feel bad for them.
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But did you enjoy the game??
Doesn't matter.
Much more satisfying to rush to the keyboard and criticize our team and coach after a nice win.
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Georgetown had 8 scholarship players. Riyan Williams is the only walk on that played.
White and Hayes are injured. We only have 10 scholarship players. We had 7 last year. I'm not going to feel bad for them.
Yes, we all feel so bad for them..
Whatever happened to Mourning for them?
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I'd say he should play against Butler, play the BET and any postseason we might have, and then rest it during the NBA draft events. Get it nice and ready for the pro-am.
I dunno... Looked more like an Achilles injury to me. Not a Cadougan, unless HE simply doesn't know pain, but I think his season is done.
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Yes, we all feel so bad for them..
Whatever happened to Mourning for them?
Nice.
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I dunno... Looked more like an Achilles injury to me. Not a Cadougan, unless HE simply doesn't know pain, but I think his season is done.
HE was putting weight on it leaving the court.
Sure hope you are wrong
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Whatever happened to Mourning for them?
Announcers said he was sick
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First half impeccable. Great gameplay to run and spread the court.
Luke with 19 first half points and Goran with three fouls. Luke with 4, 2nd half points, but two free throws to win it, and Goran ended with the same three fouls. MU outscored by 10 out of half time. Adjustments.
Only nine turnovers, one by Traci and three by Haanif including a bad one at the end. Great mix up to start TC, and TC's magic bailed us out of the GU trap.
MU won two of the four factors, with free throws the decider on the great play out of the final time out.
Maybe the sparsest Big East crowd ever in the BC.
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Announcers said he was sick
Thanks TAMU. Forgot about him until post game
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If the first half is a preview of how we will play next year (I realize minus Henry) then I can't wait for November. I don't remember when I've last seen an MU team pass like that.
GT just keep making 3s or the game would have been out of reach
It would have been a real downer to lose a game in which we played so well offensively.
Thank you Luke and Traci
Got to find a way to keep Luke from being dragged out on the perimeter. Need him down low to guard the lane.
Get well soon Henry!
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Good night....team continues to improve.
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Since Henry didn't leave his last home game on his terms
That means he's coming back right?
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Maybe the sparsest Big East crowd ever in the BC.
No students in the 220 section until 8:30p. Upper deck, barely touched. We've lost the students.
The alumni lower bowl was full. Typical pyramid in the upper deck. 8p on a Tuesday makes Chicago travel hard. No excuse for the 2500 students who no-showed.
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Great offensive game plan in the first half. Best all season.
Same crappy defense all season.
Wojo still can't make adjustments.
MU's defense has statistically been pretty decent this year. What adjustments would you have made?
They got hot, and had the size advantage at 4 positions. Zone wasn't an option. You gonna press a veteran PG like Smith-Rivera?
MU didn't guard well in the second half, but I'm not sure if that's on the coaching in this case.
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Good night....team continues to improve.
Trending the right direction for sure. We'll be a tough out in the BET, NCAA or NIT.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400840271
Box score.
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Good game by the Warriors. Thought it might go south when Henry went down, but the kids hung in there. Clutch fts at the end by Duane, can't figure out his inconsistency at the line. Huge clutch fts by Fishy.
Starting to come together. Would love to see this whole group stay together next year.
HE, please give it one more year.
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Wojo Post-Game:
1. Henry sprained ankle. My thoughts: Out for Saturday at least, we shall see.
2. Georgetown fronted Luke in the 2nd half, instead of allowing him to catch, like in the 1st half.
3. Final play: Luke to screen for Traci, Traci go hard to the basket, Luke to follow with the rebound. Georgetown changed to a 3/4 court press out of the TO and they improvised to what it was. Good job by the players to recognize.
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A few more thoughts...
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- Georgetown opened the game with a press. Clearly, the story about this team is out. Press us and we turn the ball over. Glad Traci started, he's our best at beating the press, though we lose a lot if Hank isn't there to inbound.
- Henry was very impressive tonight. His threes may not have fallen, but they were all designed to be good shots, and his passing, especially in tight quarters, was excellent.
- Remember when Traci couldn't feed the post and seemed to turn it over every time he tried to get Luke the ball? His improvement this season is remarkable. In conference play, his assist rate, steal percentage, 2PFG%, and 3PFG% have all improved over non-con. That's really impressive.
- We turned the ball over 3 times in the first half (including against the press) and 9 times in the game. Fantastic improvement for at least one night.
- Georgetown played pretty well tonight (59.7 eFG%), we just played a little bit better (64.5 eFG%).
- Nice to win on senior night. This one's for Michael Mache.
- Hope Ellenson gets well soon, we'll need him in the Big East Tournament. If not, he's had a great year. Love to see him back, but expect last night was his final game at the BC in a Marquette uniform.
- Good coaching tonight. For at least one night, Wojo's critics should be silent.
- Saw a lot of "we finally won a close game" comments on Twitter. Uhh...we're 7-3 in games decided by one possession or overtime. This team has been very good in close games, tonight was no exception. Also 4-0 in games decided by 2 possessions.
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My comments
I was afraid some team was going to wise up and press us from the start, but we handled it great and did what we were supposed to do, which is attack and make them pay for pressing. We were so successful that Georgetown had to give it up.
We had started to flounder before HE got hurt, as when Georgetown made its run we started settling for jump shots with plenty of time on the clock. At one point during a timeout they showed Wojo imploring them to work the ball inside and on the next possession JJJ fired up a 3 with 15-20 seconds left on the shot clock. Our strength on offense is quickness and slashing, and we have to always, always remember that. The jump shot lulls are getting less and less frequent. That's good coaching.
Despite that short stretch, that was the best ball movement I've seen from us in a long time. Carter looked great orchestrating things. I love an aggressive, attacking PG.
As good as our offense was, are defense was nearly as bad. Moving Cheatham to Copeland probably saved the game (of course you could argue that had we done it sooner we might have had a little cushion at the end). At any rate, Copeland looked all-world yesterday. They have some great pieces but are pretty porous defensively. Cheatham needs to take 10,000 stop and pop mid-range jumpers this summer. Once he adds that to his repertoire, the sky is the limit for him.
Hardly any Sandy, and unfortunately that appears to be for the best. He doesn't seem to be able to play at the same speed as the rest of our regular rotation. We will need him at some point so I hope he stays involved and ready.
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No students in the 218 section until 8:30p. Upper deck, barely touched. We've lost the students.
The alumni lower bowl was full. Typical pyramid in the upper deck. 8p on a Tuesday makes Chicago travel hard. No excuse for the 2500 students who no-showed.
I texted glow jr. "Your friends suck" during the game, and he agreed with me. He said he had to go pretty deep in his contact list to find someone to go with.
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Wojo played 7 kids tonight - one of whom was unable to finish the game.
I count 8. In addition to the starters, Du, Wally and Chief played.
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No students in the 218 section until 8:30p. Upper deck, barely touched. We've lost the students.
The alumni lower bowl was full. Typical pyramid in the upper deck. 8p on a Tuesday makes Chicago travel hard. No excuse for the 2500 students who no-showed.
You mean aside from the fact that this team isn't very good and headed nowhere this year? I get it, as a student a rarely missed a game during the dukiet/Oniell era. Now, 25 years later as a season ticket holder, I made the decision to stay home last night as I have done many times this season. Is my time far more limited than those students, yes, of course it is, but I have a hard time judging them as the games just don't have a ton to offer right now.
All of that said, it is an issue that is going to need to be addressed. Crean for all of his warts, was a master at turning people out. That slipped significantly under Buzz and has continued under Wojo. Even Saturday with the big crowd, I thought there was a serious lack of juice in the building. Getting outclassed can do that - at no point did I think MU would win the game, but improving attendance an game day experience has to be prioritized right after improving the team.
Quite honestly, They have what could be a valuable resource right in town in the Brewers. They have obviously had some success on the field, but have suffered through some bad seasons as well, while attendance has remained quite solid. They've been able to maintain the Brewer game/Miller Park brand as an event and a thing to do. Marquette will need to figure this out. I fully expect attendance to decline again next season. Winning is obviously key, but the lack of atmosphere, and lack of event/place to be is contributing to that (Note: the lack of Louisville, Pitt, UConn, etc hasn't helped any either).
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I count 8. In addition to the starters, Du, Wally and Chief played.
I could be wrong but I think he omitted Chief on purpose.
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I could be wrong but I think he omitted Chief on purpose.
Could be right, but Chief played 2 minutes per the box score and I remember him in the game. I'm just wondering why it's being made to look like Wojo only had 7 scholarship players available when we had 8. Maybe there's a reason, I just don't know it.
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Quite honestly, They have what could be a valuable resource right in town in the Brewers. They have obviously had some success on the field, but have suffered through some bad seasons as well, while attendance has remained quite solid. They've been able to maintain the Brewer game/Miller Park brand as an event and a thing to do. Marquette will need to figure this out.
All MU has to do is figure out a way to make it 70 degrees and let people tailgate. DONE AND DONE.
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Quite honestly, They have what could be a valuable resource right in town in the Brewers. They have obviously had some success on the field, but have suffered through some bad seasons as well, while attendance has remained quite solid. They've been able to maintain the Brewer game/Miller Park brand as an event and a thing to do.
The retractable roof on Marquette's new stadium should help then.
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Great offensive game plan in the first half. Best all season.
Same crappy defense all season.
Wojo still can't make adjustments. That last play was not an adjustment, it was a diagrammed play that has been practiced and was executed. The way Fischer was used tonight is how he should have been used all year. Part of the problem is his foul trouble but part of that is lack of commitment to go down low time and time again.
In the second half, Gtown guards were sagging down on Luke the entire time. That is why Carter had a couple wide open looks, a couple of which he sank. JT3 made an adjustment.
And after that adjustment was made, MU started running their guards off of pick and rolls at the top of the key to get penetration. That is an adjustment Wojo made. Six weeks ago this team would have handled the double down on Luke by simply hoisting shots. They didn't do that yesterday. They attacked most of the time.
This team is improving. Wojo has done a nice job. To say he didn't make adjustments is wrong.
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Probably the most impressive/crazy stat of the game, was Marquette scored all but 4 of their field goals inside the paint. Just 2 three pointers and 2 jump shots while still scoring 88 points.
Between Luke's touch shots and JJJ's slashing it was still pretty impressive to watch.
#PaintTouchesMatter
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All MU has to do is figure out a way to make it 70 degrees and let people tailgate. DONE AND DONE.
Right, which is why they drew 3 million at County stadium, and even at MP under the seligs. Pretty silly comment on your part. Fact is, the Brewers have successfully found ways to leverage that and plenty of other things to get 2.5 - 3 million people through the doors for years. They bend over backwards to draw fans and it works. As far as I can tell, MU has taken the lather, rinse, repeat approach in an era where they are facing increased competition for entertainment dollar (including staying home and watching on TV), decreased success on the court, and a decrease in the quality of opponent, and that approach is failing misserably. They can't even get students in the building, and season tickets seem likely to continue to decline.
Scoff all you want, but the general attitude about the program seems to be apathy at best, and it's a problem.
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Right, which is why they drew 3 million at County stadium, and even at MP under the seligs. Pretty silly comment on your part. Fact is, the Brewers have successfully found ways to leverage that and plenty of other things to get 2.5 - 3 million people through the doors for years. They bend over backwards to draw fans and it works. As far as I can tell, MU has taken the lather, rinse, repeat approach in an era where they are facing increased competition for entertainment dollar (including staying home and watching on TV), decreased success on the court, and a decrease in the quality of opponent, and that approach is failing misserably. They can't even get students in the building, and season tickets seem likely to continue to decline.
Scoff all you want, but the general attitude about the program seems to be apathy at best, and it's a problem.
It's just a matter of winning. People will show up when the team wins more. Hell they had a sell out on Saturday.
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In the second half, Gtown guards were sagging down on Luke the entire time. That is why Carter had a couple wide open looks, a couple of which he sank. JT3 made an adjustment.
And after that adjustment was made, MU started running their guards off of pick and rolls at the top of the key to get penetration. That is an adjustment Wojo made. Six weeks ago this team would have handled the double down on Luke by simply hoisting shots. They didn't do that yesterday. They attacked most of the time.
This team is improving. Wojo has done a nice job. To say he didn't make adjustments is wrong.
That's exactly what happened. GTown played dramatically better in the second half, especially on the defensive end. I'm always amazed at the pessimism on this board. The Warriors of March 1 bear little to no resemblance to the team that played Belmont or Iowa.
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That's exactly what happened. GTown played dramatically better in the second half, especially on the defensive end. I'm always amazed at the pessimism on this board. The Warriors of March 1 bear little to no resemblance to the team that played Belmont or Iowa.
As much as people rip on Luke, last night he showed why he is still one of our most valuable pieces. If not respected, he can be absolutely dominant and is also very disruptive on the defensive end. Obviously the clinching play and free throws were huge.
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5. Why did everybody stop looking for Luke?
I see this kind of thing all the time and it drives me crazy. A player goes off the first half and then seems forgotten in the second. Probably more to do with the other team's coaching staff making defensive adjustments rather than his team forgetting to pass him the ball.
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Yes, we all feel so bad for them..
Whatever happened to Mourning for them?
I thought this was a hilarious pun at first and not a serious question.
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As far as I can tell, MU has taken the lather, rinse, repeat approach in an era where they are facing increased competition for entertainment dollar
I agree with you on this.
As far as the Brewers go... they started winning in '07, the fans came back, and now it has become a place for young people to get sh*tfaced while a game goes on. Yeah, they have a lot more promotions, but they also have a far bigger budget to do those things.
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It's just a matter of winning. People will show up when the team wins more. Hell they had a sell out on Saturday.
I understand, and generally, I agree. New arena should provide somewhat of a bump as well (temporary at least). However, they've been irrelevant for 3 years now, and as the season ticket base erodes, I don't necessarily see it coming back. Fact is, people don't want to give up their rare free time to go sit in a boring, half empty arena. To the earlier point, on paper, last night was a good game. Competitive, Quality, name opponent, and it was an exciting game. Yet people didn't show up. I guess my point is, if MU is sitting there saying, all we have to do is win, I think they're mistaken. It'll help, but their approach is going to have to change.
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I see this kind of thing all the time and it drives me crazy. A player goes off the first half and then seems forgotten in the second. Probably more to do with the other team's coaching staff making defensive adjustments rather than his team forgetting to pass him the ball.
Yes-ish. Georgetown started fronting Luke in the second half. In the first half, most of his points came off of drives and dishes. Considering how few of MU's points came off of 3's or even jump shots, it stands to reason that the guards were still taking the ball to the basket. So, did Georgetown refuse to help off of Luke or did the guards not look for him on their way to the basket?
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I understand, and generally, I agree. New arena should provide somewhat of a bump as well (temporary at least). However, they've been irrelevant for 3 years now, and as the season ticket base erodes, I don't necessarily see it coming back. Fact is, people don't want to give up their rare free time to go sit in a boring, half empty arena. To the earlier point, on paper, last night was a good game. Competitive, Quality, name opponent, and it was an exciting game. Yet people didn't show up. I guess my point is, if MU is sitting there saying, all we have to do is win, I think they're mistaken. It'll help, but their approach is going to have to change.
People did show up. You didn't, but lots of others did. As mentioned, student section looked slightly better than Stetson. Lower bowl was completely filled and baseline/mid-court of upper level wasn't empty, the corners mostly were.
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Opposing coaches have figured out that the way to beat MU is to neutralize and take Fischer out of the offense. With our lack of 3pt shooting, it is a very good strategy. Offense becomes very limited without him as an option. MU didn't forget about Fischer, Georgetown took him away.
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I understand, and generally, I agree. New arena should provide somewhat of a bump as well (temporary at least). However, they've been irrelevant for 3 years now, and as the season ticket base erodes, I don't necessarily see it coming back. Fact is, people don't want to give up their rare free time to go sit in a boring, half empty arena. To the earlier point, on paper, last night was a good game. Competitive, Quality, name opponent, and it was an exciting game. Yet people didn't show up. I guess my point is, if MU is sitting there saying, all we have to do is win, I think they're mistaken. It'll help, but their approach is going to have to change.
I see this perspective and share the concern to some degree. My view is next year is really, really important - we stay lost in the bottom half of the BEast and we have officially lost the momentum from the 3 straight sweet 16's. I worry less though watching the nova game and seeing last night's result. However, we need to find a way to replace our best player.
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Opposing coaches have figured out that the way to beat MU is to neutralize and take Fischer out of the offense. With our lack of 3pt shooting, it is a very good strategy. Offense becomes very limited without him as an option. MU didn't forget about Fischer, Georgetown took him away.
My only question was why they didn't make that adjustment earlier. They initially came out pressing our guards hoping for turnovers, but when that wasn't working, and they were getting the ball into Luke constantly, I would have made the change sooner.
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It's just a matter of winning. People will show up when the team wins more. Hell they had a sell out on Saturday.
I thought all the made up promotions (Faculty of the game, Season Ticket holder of the game) takes the wind out of the crowds sails.
Thoughts?
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People did show up. You didn't, but lots of others did. As mentioned, student section looked slightly better than Stetson. Lower bowl was completely filled and baseline/mid-court of upper level wasn't empty, the corners mostly were.
Paid attendance was just under 13,000. To Naivin's point, in past years that game probably draws 15-16,000.
Next year is huge. Have to get some momentum back.
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I thought all the made up promotions (Faculty of the game, Season Ticket holder of the game) takes the wind out of the crowds sails.
Thoughts?
Jay Wright was really smart with his TO's as well. Between the TO and then Nova responding to each move of aggression on our part with a little run, it was hard to stay loud. Finally I think the ref's starting to call touch fouls in the mid-court made the 2H very choppy.
Trotting out the donors didnt help, but I would blame the game more
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Doesn't matter.
Much more satisfying to rush to the keyboard and criticize our team and coach after a nice win.
Yep, sometimes their agenda oozes out of their posts.
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I agree with you on this.
As far as the Brewers go... they started winning in '07, the fans came back, and now it has become a place for young people to get sh*tfaced while a game goes on. Yeah, they have a lot more promotions, but they also have a far bigger budget to do those things.
Plenty of that going on during the Nova game as evidenced by the poor young girl that was comatose in the hallway outside my section and taken off on a stretcher....
And in the it's funny, but it's not funny comment section I actually heard a mother say to her college age daughter (as the passed out girl is getting wheeled out) "That's why you stick to beer"
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Plenty of that going on during the Nova game as evidenced by the poor young girl that was comatose in the hallway outside my section and taken off on a stretcher....
And in the it's funny, but it's not funny comment section I actually heard a mother say to her college age daughter (as the passed out girl is getting wheeled out) "That's why you stick to beer"
Interesting take on that. My Senior son will have a beer or two before or during the game. In his mind paying attention and getting into the game trumps being too toasty. Back in the day my daughter pre-gamed more but never to the point she wasn't 'fine'. Nowadays, she enjoys her free beer Coors Light section.
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Interesting take on that. My Senior son will have a beer or two before or during the game. In his mind paying attention and getting into the game trumps being too toasty. Back in the day my daughter pre-gamed more but never to the point she wasn't 'fine'. Nowadays, she enjoys her free beer Coors Light section.
Let the kids enjoy college!
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I understand, and generally, I agree. New arena should provide somewhat of a bump as well (temporary at least). However, they've been irrelevant for 3 years now, and as the season ticket base erodes, I don't necessarily see it coming back. Fact is, people don't want to give up their rare free time to go sit in a boring, half empty arena. To the earlier point, on paper, last night was a good game. Competitive, Quality, name opponent, and it was an exciting game. Yet people didn't show up. I guess my point is, if MU is sitting there saying, all we have to do is win, I think they're mistaken. It'll help, but their approach is going to have to change.
Many fans looked at the game and likely figured that it was a cold, snowy, mid-week 8 p.m. game between a couple of mediocre teams, on a Senior Night when a two-year walk-on was the only player being honored (no offense intended to Mr. Mache) and decided that it wasn't worth attending.
Many of us on here looked at the game and likely figured that MU is playing so we're going.
It's a different mindset. Winning will cure some of that but I really do think that the loss of big name schools has hurt attendance more than MU believed it would. The casual basketball fan in Milwaukee is more likely to come watch MU play unranked UConn/Louisville/Syracuse than to come see MU play #5 Xavier.
I was actually surprised to see National Marquette Day scheduled for the Villanova game. Nova was a top 10 preseason team and likely going to be a big draw regardless so why double down? MU had Saturday home games against Xavier, Butler and Creighton to choose from. Wouldn't having NMD on one of those dates brought in a bigger crowd for that game while not having much of an effect on the Nova game?
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Let the kids enjoy college!
Don't think I was passing judgement. Just what my kids preferred. My younger was actually miffed at many of his friends who chose not to attend last night. I'd say he got the best of the deal with a clear headed memory of two clutch free throws to finish off his 4 years on campus.
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Don't think I was passing judgement. Just what my kids preferred. My younger was actually miffed at many of his friends who chose not to attend last night. I'd say he got the best of the deal with a clear headed memory of two clutch free throws to finish off his 4 years on campus.
I was moreso referring you you knowing about your kids pregame drinking habits. One of the best things about going to school 600 miles from where I grew up - mom and dad weren't in my hair.
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One of the best things about going to school 600 miles from where I grew up - mom and dad weren't in my hair.
That was then. Now, it's one of the worst things.
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I was actually surprised to see National Marquette Day scheduled for the Villanova game. Nova was a top 10 preseason team and likely going to be a big draw regardless so why double down? MU had Saturday home games against Xavier, Butler and Creighton to choose from. Wouldn't having NMD on one of those dates brought in a bigger crowd for that game while not having much of an effect on the Nova game?
There's a reason Howard, Herro, and the Hausers were invited to that game. They doubled down to guarentee a raucous environment to impress their top recruits.
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I was moreso referring you you knowing about your kids pregame drinking habits. One of the best things about going to school 600 miles from where I grew up - mom and dad weren't in my hair.
Don't assume that glow and chick are in their kid's hair. Some of the things my kids in their early 20s share with me these days are nothing like I would have ever considered sharing with my parents. I think those relationships are a lot less "formal," much more open, and undoubtedly driven by technology.
I have said that having an open, communicative relationship with your children is a good thing. When it goes too far, that is when the helicopter parenting raises its ugly head.
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Don't assume that glow and chick are in their kid's hair. Some of the things my kids in their early 20s share with me these days are nothing like I would have ever considered sharing with my parents. I think those relationships are a lot less "formal," much more open, and undoubtedly driven by technology.
I have said that having an open, communicative relationship with your children is a good thing. When it goes too far, that is when the helicopter parenting raises its ugly head.
Right on.
That being said, I will acknowledge that the thought of Mom and Dad wanting to meet up at halftime may affect the pregaming somewhat.
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Don't assume that glow and chick are in their kid's hair. Some of the things my kids in their early 20s share with me these days are nothing like I would have ever considered sharing with my parents. I think those relationships are a lot less "formal," much more open, and undoubtedly driven by technology.
I have said that having an open, communicative relationship with your children is a good thing. When it goes too far, that is when the helicopter parenting raises its ugly head.
I mean, I'm not really assuming. I am also in my mid-20s, and I have seen helicopter parenting at its finest. Not from my parents (thank god), but I went to a private catholic high school where a good portion of parents were pros.
I just think the college experience is much better without mom and dad around. I can say with certainty that if my non-helicopter or strict parents were attending the same college basketball games as I was when I was 18-21, I would have acted differently before and during, and they're a pretty understanding and relaxed couple. So...it does make a difference.
Anyways, tangent complete. Back to basketball..parent as you wish.
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For my dad's birthday, I got him a ticket in the student section for the ND/F'in David Rivers game. I traded with a couple of people and got to sit next to him. I was legal to drink and we drank beers together and watched a heck of a game with a nightmare ending. He still says it was one of his favorite birthday presents ever.
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Don't assume that glow and chick are in their kid's hair. Some of the things my kids in their early 20s share with me these days are nothing like I would have ever considered sharing with my parents. I think those relationships are a lot less "formal," much more open, and undoubtedly driven by technology.
I have said that having an open, communicative relationship with your children is a good thing. When it goes too far, that is when the helicopter parenting raises its ugly head.
Thanks Sultan. I'm pretty confident that they're doing exactly what they want. There's no 'checking up on them' about it. More that my son gets a free craft beer at halftime just by hanging with the rents for 10 minutes.
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I thought this was a hilarious pun at first and not a serious question.
Damnit, I thought the same thing...you ruined it for me.
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My comments
I was afraid some team was going to wise up and press us from the start, but we handled it great and did what we were supposed to do, which is attack and make them pay for pressing. We were so successful that Georgetown had to give it up.
We had started to flounder before HE got hurt, as when Georgetown made its run we started settling for jump shots with plenty of time on the clock. At one point during a timeout they showed Wojo imploring them to work the ball inside and on the next possession JJJ fired up a 3 with 15-20 seconds left on the shot clock. Our strength on offense is quickness and slashing, and we have to always, always remember that. The jump shot lulls are getting less and less frequent. That's good coaching.
Despite that short stretch, that was the best ball movement I've seen from us in a long time. Carter looked great orchestrating things. I love an aggressive, attacking PG.
As good as our offense was, are defense was nearly as bad. Moving Cheatham to Copeland probably saved the game (of course you could argue that had we done it sooner we might have had a little cushion at the end). At any rate, Copeland looked all-world yesterday. They have some great pieces but are pretty porous defensively. Cheatham needs to take 10,000 stop and pop mid-range jumpers this summer. Once he adds that to his repertoire, the sky is the limit for him.
Hardly any Sandy, and unfortunately that appears to be for the best. He doesn't seem to be able to play at the same speed as the rest of our regular rotation. We will need him at some point so I hope he stays involved and ready.
JJJ shot only one 3 last night. It was a wide open first half airball.
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JJJ shot only one 3 last night. It was a wide open first half airball.
IIRC, that was one of 3 straight airballs from that corner for MU.
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For my dad's birthday, I got him a ticket in the student section for the ND/F'in David Rivers game. I traded with a couple of people and got to sit next to him. I was legal to drink and we drank beers together and watched a heck of a game with a nightmare ending. He still says it was one of his favorite birthday presents ever.
I graduated in 2010 and one of my best friend's parents went to probably around 10 or so games with us in the Student Section and were always a blast. Since graduation, several of my other friends have been married, and the other friend's parents have been invited to the weddings.
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In the second half, Gtown guards were sagging down on Luke the entire time. That is why Carter had a couple wide open looks, a couple of which he sank. JT3 made an adjustment.
And after that adjustment was made, MU started running their guards off of pick and rolls at the top of the key to get penetration. That is an adjustment Wojo made. Six weeks ago this team would have handled the double down on Luke by simply hoisting shots. They didn't do that yesterday. They attacked most of the time.
This team is improving. Wojo has done a nice job. To say he didn't make adjustments is wrong.
Yes, but they were basic adjustments.
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It's just a matter of winning. People will show up when the team wins more. Hell they had a sell out on Saturday.
I agree with this analysis.
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I understand, and generally, I agree. New arena should provide somewhat of a bump as well (temporary at least). However, they've been irrelevant for 3 years now, and as the season ticket base erodes, I don't necessarily see it coming back. Fact is, people don't want to give up their rare free time to go sit in a boring, half empty arena. To the earlier point, on paper, last night was a good game. Competitive, Quality, name opponent, and it was an exciting game. Yet people didn't show up. I guess my point is, if MU is sitting there saying, all we have to do is win, I think they're mistaken. It'll help, but their approach is going to have to change.
The New Big East start times have been a big issue
In the east coast people are used to staying out on a weekday for an 8 pm game. But in the midwest that is just not part of our culture. We are used to 7 pm or 6pm start times.
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Paid attendance was just under 13,000. To Naivin's point, in past years that game probably draws 15-16,000.
Next year is huge. Have to get some momentum back.
Does it though? A Tuesday night at 8 PM against a 14-15 overall and 7-9 Big East team draws 15-16K? I really don't think it would've, and if it would've it only would've because student ticket sales were higher those years but it still would've been nearly as empty in the student section.
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Yes, but they were basic adjustments.
Bilsu would be happy to know that "easy rebound" is a running joke between my friends and I right now.
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The New Big East start times have been a big issue
In the east coast people are used to staying out on a weekday for an 8 pm game. But in the midwest that is just not part of our culture. We are used to 7 pm or 6pm start times.
It's not the Midwest, it's the Central Time Zone... and it's not cultural, it's because of TV programming. It wasn't until after college when I started travelling for work that I realized, aside from live events, everything on network TV is tape-delayed out west; e.g. everyone else in the country watches their local news at 11:00p, except Central where it's always 10:00p. So if you go to bed after watching the news every night, you're actually going to bed one hour earlier in CTZ relative to the rest of the country.
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My Georgetown thoughts are "what's going on over there? " They can't be too happy with JTIII
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There's a reason Howard, Herro, and the Hausers were invited to that game. They doubled down to guarentee a raucous environment to impress their top recruits.
Did MU double down so that they could impress their top recruits on NMD or did Wojo invite the top recruits to that game because they had already doubled down?
Hmm...
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Interesting take on that. My Senior son will have a beer or two before or during the game. In his mind paying attention and getting into the game trumps being too toasty. Back in the day my daughter pre-gamed more but never to the point she wasn't 'fine'. Nowadays, she enjoys her free beer Coors Light section.
Unlike most of you from the sounds of it, the way your son approaches the game is how I handled my basketball viewing while I was at MU. One or two before the game and saved the serious drinking for after the game on weekends and maybe not all when there were classes school was the next day, depending on my mood. There were plenty of opportunities to hoist a few at MU, but I liked to pay attention to the game.
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My Georgetown thoughts are "what's going on over there? " They can't be too happy with JTIII
Got that right. Where's our Hoya friend who predicted like a #3 seed?
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Got that right. Where's our Hoya friend who predicted like a #3 seed?
He hasn't posted because he is having trouble figuring out how to change his username from "Hoya Since Birth" to "Hoya Until Last Night".
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Unlike most of you from the sounds of it, the way your son approaches the game is how I handled my basketball viewing while I was at MU. One or two before the game and saved the serious drinking for after the game on weekends and maybe not all when there were classes school was the next day, depending on my mood. There were plenty of opportunities to hoist a few at MU, but I liked to pay attention to the game.
Back in the day we stopped at the Lanche to get things going. On the way out we each grabbed a six of PBR for $1.45. Those down jackets and Army field jackets were the perfect conveyance for getting beverages into the Arena.
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My only thought: Down 1 with 5 seconds left, doable.
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My only thought: Down 1 with 5 seconds left, doable.
I said the same to chick as they checked the clock and added a couple tenths. Must say, DSM was money on that midrange J.
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Unlike most of you from the sounds of it, the way your son approaches the game is how I handled my basketball viewing while I was at MU. One or two before the game and saved the serious drinking for after the game on weekends and maybe not all when there were classes school was the next day, depending on my mood. There were plenty of opportunities to hoist a few at MU, but I liked to pay attention to the game.
I'm with you. Some games (non-con, this saturday against Nova) I had a few drinks at the bars near the arena prior to the game. Rarely if ever buy a beer inside the BC. Plenty of time to drink after the games on the weekends.
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I thought all the made up promotions (Faculty of the game, Season Ticket holder of the game) takes the wind out of the crowds sails.
Thoughts?
Agree with this 100%. Most if not all timeouts seem dedicated to promoting something or other — rather than keeping the crowd amped up and into the game.
I couldn't care less which row gets Palermos pizza, who gets a t-shirt on a parachute sponsored by Aurora Health Care, which fan wins QDoba for making a layup, who's on the Delta Dental smile cam, where the Direct Supply VIP seats are, or even whether the golf team just won the Big East tournament.
I've also noticed that there's really no more crowd participation cheers. Used to hear the classic slowly accelerating clap effect through the PA several times a game — more often down the stretch in a close contest. Haven't heard it once all year. I could take or leave the cheerleaders. But these days they don't even have megaphones on the sidelines; the emphasis is on gymnastics rather than what cheerleading is all about (presumably leading fans in cheers, if the name means anything).
Granted, revenue matters. The entire basketball program helps raise money for and draw attention to the university. And I know some fans look forward to breaks in the action, to go get a beer or make a restroom stop. But it seems like timeouts at the BMO Harris Bradley Center (brought to you by WE Energies and about 50 other sponsors) have become complete momentum killers.
All of that takes away from my enjoyment of the game, and the game atmosphere. Marquette is essentially trading some hard-to-quantify part of the fan experience and home court advantage (which helps you win more games and attract even more fans) for the opportunity to attract more sponsorship dollars. That's not without its downside.
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Funny, I never even considered drinking before or during a game, that's just me though. My beverage of choice was an extra large coffee from the dunkin donuts on wisconsin ave on my way to the Bradley Center. I always found the obnoxiously drunk students, well, obnoxious.
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Agree with this 100%. Most if not all timeouts seem dedicated to promoting something or other — rather than keeping the crowd amped up and into the game.
I couldn't care less which row gets Palermos pizza, who gets a t-shirt on a parachute sponsored by Aurora Health Care, which fan wins QDoba for making a layup, who's on the Delta Dental smile cam, where the Direct Supply VIP seats are, or even whether the golf team just won the Big East tournament.
I've also noticed that there's really no more crowd participation cheers. Used to hear the classic slowly accelerating clap effect through the PA several times a game — more often down the stretch in a close contest. Haven't heard it once all year. I could take or leave the cheerleaders. But these days they don't even have megaphones on the sidelines; the emphasis is on gymnastics rather than what cheerleading is all about (presumably leading fans in cheers, if the name means anything).
Granted, revenue matters. The entire basketball program helps raise money for and draw attention to the university. And I know some fans look forward to breaks in the action, to go get a beer or make a restroom stop. But it seems like timeouts at the BMO Harris Bradley Center (brought to you by WE Energies and about 50 other sponsors) have become complete momentum killers.
All of that takes away from my enjoyment of the game, and the game atmosphere. Marquette is essentially trading some hard-to-quantify part of the fan experience and home court advantage (which helps you win more games and attract even more fans) for the opportunity to attract more sponsorship dollars. That's not without its downside.
No promotions, no t-shirt tosses, no parachutes, no pizza, no fans on the jumbotron, no congratulations.... so in other words, during timeouts, MU should do.... nothing?
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No promotions, no t-shirt tosses, no parachutes, no pizza, no fans on the jumbotron, no congratulations.... so in other words, during timeouts, MU should do.... nothing?
They could congratulate Chitown for being sober!
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I couldn't care less which row gets Palermos pizza, who gets a t-shirt on a parachute sponsored by Aurora Health Care, which fan wins QDoba for making a layup, who's on the Delta Dental smile cam, where the Direct Supply VIP seats are, or even whether the golf team just won the Big East tournament.
The fact that you were just able to rattle off all of those MU basketball sponsors is the exact reason why MU gets money from all of those basketball sponsors.
You forgot David Gruber though!
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No promotions, no t-shirt tosses, no parachutes, no pizza, no fans on the jumbotron, no congratulations.... so in other words, during timeouts, MU should do.... nothing?
That's not my point. Like I mentioned, I know revenue is important and Marquette uses basketball to promote many things. Just seems like the balance has gone completely toward promotion/sponsorship — versus any "play cool music, start a chant, etc."
Am I the only one who remembers the crowd keeping it rocking throughout a visitor's timeout late in the game thanks to the scoreboard "Make Noise!" meter or something else designed for no other purpose than to fire everybody up?
I will say there are a couple player videos encouraging the crowd to get into the game. Just not enough of this kind of thing, in my opinion — especially late in a close game.
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Agree with this 100%. Most if not all timeouts seem dedicated to promoting something or other — rather than keeping the crowd amped up and into the game.
I couldn't care less which row gets Palermos pizza, who gets a t-shirt on a parachute sponsored by Aurora Health Care, which fan wins QDoba for making a layup, who's on the Delta Dental smile cam, where the Direct Supply VIP seats are, or even whether the golf team just won the Big East tournament.
I've also noticed that there's really no more crowd participation cheers. Used to hear the classic slowly accelerating clap effect through the PA several times a game — more often down the stretch in a close contest. Haven't heard it once all year. I could take or leave the cheerleaders. But these days they don't even have megaphones on the sidelines; the emphasis is on gymnastics rather than what cheerleading is all about (presumably leading fans in cheers, if the name means anything).
Granted, revenue matters. The entire basketball program helps raise money for and draw attention to the university. And I know some fans look forward to breaks in the action, to go get a beer or make a restroom stop. But it seems like timeouts at the BMO Harris Bradley Center (brought to you by WE Energies and about 50 other sponsors) have become complete momentum killers.
All of that takes away from my enjoyment of the game, and the game atmosphere. Marquette is essentially trading some hard-to-quantify part of the fan experience and home court advantage (which helps you win more games and attract even more fans) for the opportunity to attract more sponsorship dollars. That's not without its downside.
My guess is that those sponsorship dollars are well into six figures. It isn't inconsequential.
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The fact that you were just able to rattle off all of those MU basketball sponsors is the exact reason why MU gets money from all of those basketball sponsors.
You forgot David Gruber though!
I know why it happens. I work in advertising, and I've had season tickets long enough to virtually memorize every single Marquette sponsor.
It's a question of priority. If it was important to Duke, I'm sure they could easily raise the money to demolish their quaint, outdated stadium and replace it with a 25,000-seat modern arena (complete with luxury boxes and naming rights going to the highest bidder). But I believe Coach K and the athletic department recognize that there's value in having one of the most intimidating home courts in college basketball. That the Cameron Crazies are worth something to the basketball program and the school.
Lately, MU seems more interested in pushing promotions/sponsorships than doing whatever is possible to create an awesome, unforgettable environment for college basketball.
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I know why it happens. I work in advertising, and I've had season tickets long enough to virtually memorize every single Marquette sponsor.
It's a question of priority. If it was important to Duke, I'm sure they could easily raise the money to demolish their quaint, outdated stadium and replace it with a 25,000-seat modern arena (complete with luxury boxes and naming rights going to the highest bidder). But I believe Coach K and the athletic department recognize that there's value in having one of the most intimidating home courts in college basketball. That the Cameron Crazies are worth something to the basketball program and the school.
Have you been to Cameron during a game? Do you know if they do something similar?
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Got that right. Where's our Hoya friend who predicted like a #3 seed?
He hasn't posted because he is having trouble figuring out how to change his username from "Hoya Since Birth" to "Hoya Until Last Night".
I like how you and Glow carry on conversations on Scoop. In person conversations get so mundane, hey?
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I know why it happens. I work in advertising, and I've had season tickets long enough to virtually memorize every single Marquette sponsor.
It's a question of priority. If it was important to Duke, I'm sure they could easily raise the money to demolish their quaint, outdated stadium and replace it with a 25,000-seat modern arena (complete with luxury boxes and naming rights going to the highest bidder). But I believe Coach K and the athletic department recognize that there's value in having one of the most intimidating home courts in college basketball. That the Cameron Crazies are worth something to the basketball program and the school.
Lately, MU seems more interested in pushing promotions/sponsorships than doing whatever is possible to create an awesome, unforgettable environment for college basketball.
You work in advertising and you think that MU should turn down six-figure deals with sponsors in order to play a couple extra minutes of Jock Jams?
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The fact that you were just able to rattle off all of those MU basketball sponsors is the exact reason why MU gets money from all of those basketball sponsors.
You forgot David Gruber though!
I am just pissed that Glow and I are in the T-shirt Dead Zone. We are too high up for the cheerleader tosses (you'd think some of the dudes would really whip them up here to show how manly they really are), and the parachutes fall on either side of our section.
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I haven't been to a game at Cameron, so maybe I shouldn't have used that as an example. (Was thinking more about why one of the great programs in college basketball would intentionally keep a completely out-of-date arena that holds fewer than 10,000 fans.)
I saw an article in Forbes earlier this year that addresses the less-tangible value Cameron provides to Duke University:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2016/01/19/the-charm-of-dukes-cameron-indoor-stadium-is-that-it-still-feels-like-a-college-basketball-arena/#76bf22892f73
A few excerpts:
Perhaps Duke University loses some money each year by not expanding Cameron Indoor Stadium to include luxurious press boxes and only allowing for the smallest of advertisements on the scoreboards and around the stadium. But in doing so, Duke University has enhanced the brand equity of its basketball team, arena, and school in a way that few other universities have via their athletic programs.
The irony of all this is that big-time college sports programs throughout the country are blaming their elite athletes’ demands for compensation as being the act of commercialism that would purportedly destroy big-time college sports. But all along, most major universities have been commercializing their own arenas and subjecting student seating to the back of their stadium – causing the very atmosphere that they now claim to fear.
A Duke basketball game at Cameron Indoor Stadium still feels like a college basketball game for fans. Whereas most top athletic programs have abandoned collegiality in favor of commercialism, Duke’s Cameron Indoor Stadium keeps just a little more of the former reverberating within its walls.
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I like how you and Glow carry on conversations on Scoop. In person conversations get so mundane, hey?
Well seeing as during the day we are 40 miles apart....
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You work in advertising and you think that MU should turn down six-figure deals with sponsors in order to play a couple extra minutes of Jock Jams?
Only pointing out that sponsorships aren't the only thing that provide value to a basketball program — so do the fans. Take a look at the Forbes article I posted the link for. Anyone who's a fan of college basketball knows that money is a huge part of the game. But it all begins and ends with the fan experience. Without them, you don't have any eyeballs for sponsorships, and the six-figure deals will dry up.
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I haven't been to a game at Cameron, so maybe I shouldn't have used that as an example. (Was thinking more about why one of the great programs in college basketball would intentionally keep a completely out-of-date arena that holds fewer than 10,000 fans.)
I saw an article in Forbes earlier this year that addresses the less-tangible value
Cameron provides to Duke University:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2016/01/19/the-charm-of-dukes-cameron-indoor-stadium-is-that-it-still-feels-like-a-college-basketball-arena/#76bf22892f73
A few excerpts:
Perhaps Duke University loses some money each year by not expanding Cameron Indoor Stadium to include luxurious press boxes and only allowing for the smallest of advertisements on the scoreboards and around the stadium. But in doing so, Duke University has enhanced the brand equity of its basketball team, arena, and school in a way that few other universities have via their athletic programs.
The irony of all this is that big-time college sports programs throughout the country are blaming their elite athletes’ demands for compensation as being the act of commercialism that would purportedly destroy big-time college sports. But all along, most major universities have been commercializing their own arenas and subjecting student seating to the back of their stadium – causing the very atmosphere that they now claim to fear.
A Duke basketball game at Cameron Indoor Stadium still feels like a college basketball game for fans. Whereas most top athletic programs have abandoned collegiality in favor of commercialism, Duke’s Cameron Indoor Stadium keeps just a little more of the former reverberating within its walls.
Well thanks for that. My guess is that you are right. They don't have parachutes falling from the ceiling and the like.
Only pointing out that sponsorships aren't the only thing that provide value to a basketball program — so do the fans. Take a look at the Forbes article I posted the link for. Anyone who's a fan of college basketball knows that money is a huge part of the game. But it all begins and ends with the fan experience. Without them, you don't have any eyeballs for sponsorships, and the six-figure deals will dry up.
But Marquette isn't Duke. My guess is that Duke can afford to forgo scholarship money because they have other sources of income. (Especially donor income.) Similar to Notre Dame football.
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Well thanks for that. My guess is that you are right. They don't have parachutes falling from the ceiling and the like.
But Marquette isn't Duke. My guess is that Duke can afford to forgo scholarship money because they have other sources of income. (Especially donor income.) Similar to Notre Dame football.
Spot on. Duke's endowment is $7.2 Billion - they don't need the extra revenue from Men's BBall.
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Agree with this 100%. Most if not all timeouts seem dedicated to promoting something or other — rather than keeping the crowd amped up and into the game.
I couldn't care less which row gets Palermos pizza, who gets a t-shirt on a parachute sponsored by Aurora Health Care, which fan wins QDoba for making a layup, who's on the Delta Dental smile cam, where the Direct Supply VIP seats are, or even whether the golf team just won the Big East tournament.
I've also noticed that there's really no more crowd participation cheers. Used to hear the classic slowly accelerating clap effect through the PA several times a game — more often down the stretch in a close contest. Haven't heard it once all year. I could take or leave the cheerleaders. But these days they don't even have megaphones on the sidelines; the emphasis is on gymnastics rather than what cheerleading is all about (presumably leading fans in cheers, if the name means anything).
Granted, revenue matters. The entire basketball program helps raise money for and draw attention to the university. And I know some fans look forward to breaks in the action, to go get a beer or make a restroom stop. But it seems like timeouts at the BMO Harris Bradley Center (brought to you by WE Energies and about 50 other sponsors) have become complete momentum killers.
All of that takes away from my enjoyment of the game, and the game atmosphere. Marquette is essentially trading some hard-to-quantify part of the fan experience and home court advantage (which helps you win more games and attract even more fans) for the opportunity to attract more sponsorship dollars. That's not without its downside.
I think your right about the Cheers. Would like to see some old school crowd based cheers led by cheer leaders. If done right would make a difference.
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But Marquette isn't Duke. My guess is that Duke can afford to forgo scholarship money because they have other sources of income. (Especially donor income.) Similar to Notre Dame football.
True enough. But Duke wasn't always Duke, one of the great programs in college basketball. Before 1963, the school had just 1 NCAA appearance — no Final Fours, no title games, no championship banners. It was just another private school that barely anyone outside the state of North Carolina recognized.
Their success since then hasn't come by accident. Of course, it helps when you find a Hall of Fame coach and land McDonalds All-Americans year after year. Coaches make great programs, players make great teams.
But having one of the greatest home court environments has been important, as well. If not, I guarantee Duke would have razed Cameron to the ground years ago. Like UNC or Kentucky, Duke could sell out a 20,000-seat arena. But Cameron gives Duke a unique identity and a competitive edge, however slight.
Over the past 25 years, Duke has won more national championships (5) than any other school. That includes Connecticut (4), Kentucky (3), North Carolina (3), Syracuse (1), and Louisville (1). Every single one of those schools has been led by Hall of Fame calibre coaches and landed top recruiting classes. There's no way to prove that Cameron makes the difference. I simply suspect that home court advantage is dramatically underappreciated as a factor in a program's success.
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Spot on. Duke's endowment is $7.2 Billion - they don't need the extra revenue from Men's BBall.
Think this is a bogus argument. If Duke doesn't need the extra revenue, do they return their share of what they get from ESPN?
Schools are always looking for extra revenue. When it comes to their basketball arena, Duke just looks at value and revenue differently than most schools.
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BTW, Forbes ranks Duke as the 9th most valuable men's basketball program in the country — the most valuable private school on the list, and one of only three private schools in the top 20 (Marquette and Xavier came in at #15 and #19, respectively).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2015/03/16/college-basketballs-most-valuable-teams-louisville-on-top-kansas-close-behind/#500398c4609e
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Well...we jumped from #113 in RPI to #108 :-\
G'Town is at #109 for reference (14-16)
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Back in the day we stopped at the Lanche to get things going. On the way out we each grabbed a six of PBR for $1.45. Those down jackets and Army field jackets were the perfect conveyance for getting beverages into the Arena.
Marquette liquor for a few big azz canisters of fosters lager.
Of course we paced ourselves and drained only 1 per half.
Then sneakily rolled the empties down the slope that was the lower bowl of the arena.
Luckily it was usually noisy enough that no one noticed the clanking...
Speaking of clanking, that in game ESPN reporter at the bc has a voice that makes me want to rip my ears off.