Traded to Denver.
https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/700386655610544128
Steve could have been part of the old Chevy car commercials.... see the USA the Chevy way ;)
He really might be. Woj tweeted that Denver is looking to pass him on elsewhere.
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/700387489094115328
Denver is his 9th team. One more to fill the punch card and get a free sub.
Quote from: drewm88 on February 18, 2016, 12:53:14 PM
He really might be. Woj tweeted that Denver is looking to pass him on elsewhere.
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/700387489094115328
Denver is his 9th team. One more to fill the punch card and get a free sub.
The record is 12 teams. I think he can do it!
Actually, I wonder if he'll call it quits after this season and move to the neighborhood full-time.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 18, 2016, 01:10:10 PM
The record is 12 teams. I think he can do it!
Actually, I wonder if he'll call it quits after this season and move to the neighborhood full-time.
Well his contract is up and I doubt he will be offered something significant. Only played in 7 games this year.
Jae and Steve have about the same career points and rebounds in the NBA well points anyway
$16 million over the years, not including this year, in NBA salary alone according to Basketball Reference.
Not too shabby for the prototypical journeyman.
Send him to GSW.
They'll unleash the 3 pt beast here!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 18, 2016, 01:26:28 PM
Well his contract is up and I doubt he will be offered something significant. Only played in 7 games this year.
I didn't word it well, but that's where I was going with it. I wonder if he'd consider a minimum deal with a contender to sit the bench and try for a ring or if he's fine being finished.
Any eligibility left?
He should be thrilled he is that tall. There are a million shooters that good that can't do anything else (just like him) but didn't get to NBA.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 18, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
He should be thrilled he is that tall. There are a million shooters that good that can't do anything else (just like him) but didn't get to NBA.
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His pro career has become a contract to be traded at the deadline. Still a nice paying gig though.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 18, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
He should be thrilled he is that tall. There are a million shooters that good that can't do anything else (just like him) but didn't get to NBA.
A million? He led the league in 3 pt % a few years back.
One guy did that and his name was Novak.
I would be fine getting paid 16 million to sit on the bench. No injuries to worry about, no fatigue. Sounds like a dream job to me.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 18, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
He should be thrilled he is that tall. There are a million shooters that good that can't do anything else (just like him) but didn't get to NBA.
Lol he's 6th all time in NBA 3P%, but yes, there are tons of shooters as good as him. 223rd all time in 3 point makes as well, even though he never got consistent minutes.
From Bleacher Report (see link under picture - DWade even comments)
Novak's "confused" son going to a Knicks hoop with a Thunder jersey and Jazz shorts on!
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2617824-steve-novaks-son-sports-all-of-the-veterans-former-teams-after-latest-trade?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Will never forget Novak making 29 of 30 round the world three pointers at Marquette Madness. He's a legend.
What's amazing is that at Madness the dumb students picked Novak near the end to be on their 3 pt team. Wade went #1 if my memory serves. My daughter's friend actually outshot DWade during that event. Got that goin' for 'em.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 18, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
He should be thrilled he is that tall. There are a million shooters that good that can't do anything else (just like him) but didn't get to NBA.
Logic (and fact) fail.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 18, 2016, 08:00:05 PM
Logic (and fact) fail.
https://www.youtube.com/v/HpxP2nNtWFM
Novak should give at least 80% of his earnings these last few years to Jeremy Lin.
Linsanity made Novak rich!
Maybe DWade knows something:
DWade ✔@DwyaneWade
Next we have to get him a Dwade Miami Heat basketball. https://twitter.com/stevenovak16/status/700457942361845760 ...
5:41 PM - 18 Feb 2016
There was a report that the Nuggets bought out Novak's contract, and is going to sign a 10 day contract w/ the Heat.. 8-)
Quote from: Blackhat on February 18, 2016, 07:42:38 PM
Will never forget Novak making 29 of 30 round the world three pointers at Marquette Madness. He's a legend.
His senior year he missed two free throws. Two. And I only recall maybe 4-5 free throws that caught rim of the ones he made.
Ridiculous.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 18, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
He should be thrilled he is that tall. There are a million shooters that good that can't do anything else (just like him) but didn't get to NBA.
I would rather be forced to read Ners D. Wilson posts from last year than this. At least he tried to interject some logic to the argument.
"Millions" so so dumb
Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
Novak should give at least 80% of his earnings these last few years to Jeremy Lin.
Linsanity made Novak rich!
As should Crean do da same wit Wade, ai na?
Can someone remind us how well the San Antonio workout went for Steve a few years back. Didn't he hit a crazy number of three in a row?
I'm still obsessed with Novak.
Oh wow, he made 29 of 30 threes. Ok, 500,000 6'0" guys can shoot like that. is that better estimate? I love how all your MU guys cling to one word to make your argument. I just picture a bunch of dork engineers/attorneys/accountants that have never played the game like that dork that jumps around on timeouts at your games wowing at all his swished FTs that jumps around at your game.
I never said the guy couldn't shoot. And I certainly don't begrudge him for making millions off it. Good for him. Just too bad he could never get any other part of his game to be anything but way below average for NBA standards. And I mean any part of his game.
Rocky? Looks like there's a troll in the dungeons!
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Oh wow, he made 29 of 30 threes. Ok, 500,000 6'0" guys can shoot like that. is that better estimate? I love how all your MU guys cling to one word to make your argument. I just picture a bunch of dork engineers/attorneys/accountants that have never played the game like that dork that jumps around on timeouts at your games wowing at all his swished FTs that jumps around at your game.
I never said the guy couldn't shoot. And I certainly don't begrudge him for making millions off it. Good for him. Just too bad he could never get any other part of his game to be anything but way below average for NBA standards. And I mean any part of his game.
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Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Oh wow, he made 29 of 30 threes. Ok, 500,000 6'0" guys can shoot like that. is that better estimate? I love how all your MU guys cling to one word to make your argument. I just picture a bunch of dork engineers/attorneys/accountants that have never played the game like that dork that jumps around on timeouts at your games wowing at all his swished FTs that jumps around at your game.
I never said the guy couldn't shoot. And I certainly don't begrudge him for making millions off it. Good for him. Just too bad he could never get any other part of his game to be anything but way below average for NBA standards. And I mean any part of his game.
So you are doubling down on stupid???
He has the sixth highest 3 pt % in the history of professional basketball in the United States. Sixth. There are not thousands of guys who can shoot like he can. That is a completely false statement.
You may have "played the game," but it is clear that it didn't translate into any knowledge. Maybe you should have spent more time in math class understanding simple statistics.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Oh wow, he made 29 of 30 threes. Ok, 500,000 6'0" guys can shoot like that. is that better estimate? I love how all your MU guys cling to one word to make your argument. I just picture a bunch of dork engineers/attorneys/accountants that have never played the game like that dork that jumps around on timeouts at your games wowing at all his swished FTs that jumps around at your game.
I never said the guy couldn't shoot. And I certainly don't begrudge him for making millions off it. Good for him. Just too bad he could never get any other part of his game to be anything but way below average for NBA standards. And I mean any part of his game.
I played. And I'm an accountant.
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Those 500,000 guys aren't tall enough to be in NBA. Get it?
Why is he doing nothing the last 3-4 years? Did he forget how to shoot? No, it is the rest of his game. Doesn't matter if he is that big a defensive liability.
He is a class act and great shooter. I actually was pulling hard for him. I just don't understand how a great shooter like that cannot be a court spacer and three drainer on a team with a great player constantly demanding doubles. Something is up. See Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Dirk, Ersan I even of Bucks, Kerr, Parsons, all slow footed very good shooters that have managed to remain on the court. I can give you 20 more if you want. Can you?
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Oh wow, he made 29 of 30 threes. Ok, 500,000 6'0" guys can shoot like that. is that better estimate? I love how all your MU guys cling to one word to make your argument. I just picture a bunch of dork engineers/attorneys/accountants that have never played the game like that dork that jumps around on timeouts at your games wowing at all his swished FTs that jumps around at your game.
I never said the guy couldn't shoot. And I certainly don't begrudge him for making millions off it. Good for him. Just too bad he could never get any other part of his game to be anything but way below average for NBA standards. And I mean any part of his game.
Tommy comes in guns blazing. Hell of an entrance, my man, hell of an entrance.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Oh wow, he made 29 of 30 threes. Ok, 500,000 6'0" guys can shoot like that. is that better estimate? I love how all your MU guys cling to one word to make your argument. I just picture a bunch of dork engineers/attorneys/accountants that have never played the game like that dork that jumps around on timeouts at your games wowing at all his swished FTs that jumps around at your game.
I never said the guy couldn't shoot. And I certainly don't begrudge him for making millions off it. Good for him. Just too bad he could never get any other part of his game to be anything but way below average for NBA standards. And I mean any part of his game.
So you were so bored today that you decided, hey what the hell, let me go through the effort of creating a profile on a Marquette fan site to bash a guy who last played for them 10 years ago?
I'll really get them riled up, not by saying something with some half truths in it, but rather something so incredibly refutable that it will only make me look more like the uniformed troll I'm attempting to be.
It's not even good trolling when it is this forced.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
Those 500,000 guys aren't tall enough to be in NBA. Get it?
He didn't make the NBA because he is tall. He made it because he's a gifted shooter. Get it?
He is also the sixth best 3 point shooter in the history of NCAA D1 basketball. He didn't do that because he is like thousands of other shooters.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
Those 500,000 guys aren't tall enough to be in NBA. Get it?
Why is he doing nothing the last 3-4 years? Did he forget how to shoot? No, it is the rest of his game. Doesn't matter if he is that big a defensive liability.
He is a class act and great shooter. I actually was pulling hard for him. I just don't understand how a great shooter like that cannot be a court spacer and three drainer on a team with a great player constantly demanding doubles. Something is up. See Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Dirk, Ersan I even of Bucks, Kerr, Parsons, all slow footed very good shooters that have managed to remain on the court. I can give you 20 more if you want. Can you?
No one here is suggesting he is a great NBA player, far from it, as he didn't have skills beyond shooting to contribute significantly. All of those other players are better all-around players than Steve and have a more diverse skill set. However, he hung on for 10 years for a reason, and height had nothing to do with it - his 3-pt shooting percentage did.
To say that there are 500,000 people who can shoot like that is categorically false.
Quote from: Marquette_g on February 19, 2016, 10:07:31 AM
So you were so bored today that you decided, hey what the hell, let me go through the effort of creating a profile on a Marquette fan site to bash a guy who last played for them 10 years ago?
I'll really get them riled up, not by saying something with some half truths in it, but rather something so incredibly refutable that it will only make me look more like the uniformed troll I'm attempting to be.
It's not even good trolling when it is this forced.
I'm kinda envious in that he has the time to troll. That period of my life has come and gone, alas.
Never forget
http://youtu.be/H3CiMh7RFDA
Quote from: Marquette_g on February 19, 2016, 10:07:31 AM
It's not even good trolling when it is this forced.
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Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 19, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
So you are doubling down on stupid???
He has the sixth highest 3 pt % in the history of professional basketball in the United States. Sixth. There are not thousands of guys who can shoot like he can. That is a completely false statement.
You may have "played the game," but it is clear that it didn't translate into any knowledge. Maybe you should have spent more time in math class understanding simple statistics.
Bench warmer at Black Earth High.
Quote from: Marquette_g on February 19, 2016, 10:14:23 AM
No one here is suggesting he is a great NBA player, far from it, as he didn't have skills beyond shooting to contribute significantly. All of those other players are better all-around players than Steve and have a more diverse skill set. However, he hung on for 10 years for a reason, and height had nothing to do with it - his 3-pt shooting percentage did.
To say that there are 500,000 people who can shoot like that is categorically false.
Let's be honest, his height had a little bit to do with it.
Quote from: lurch91 on February 19, 2016, 08:23:10 AM
Can someone remind us how well the San Antonio workout went for Steve a few years back. Didn't he hit a crazy number of three in a row?
If I recall correctly, he started off shooting a free throw. Upon each make he took a big step backwards, and shot again. If he missed 3 in a row from one spot he was done. He was close to the top of the key on the other half of the court when he missed 3 in a row.
Tommy Diehard in unimpressed.
Why even engage this guy? Here's his story:
His beloved UW Vadgers started off the season horribly, losing to 2 mid (okay, low) majors at home, losing at home to the in state rival. This was coming off the best 2 years in the history of his favorite team's program. A team he is a fan of because his UWSP alum father once bought him a sweatshirt from Kohl's for Christmas when he was young. Things looked bleak for his beloved school that he never attended. To make things worse, the Saint that had been around for as long as he could remember turned out to be not so big of a Saint, but daddy didn't tell him that when he got his sweatshirt! Shocked that a man of that age could still get it up, he was even more shocked by the man quitting on his team. But then something weird happened. The Vadgers got into B1G play, you know, the best conference in America, who the heck wouldn't want to be part of that conference? Not only do you get the best athletics in the country, but the best academics too! And what do you know, they run off 7 straight, including a HUGE win at Maryland! They're set! Back to another Final Four!
Oh wait, Maryland loses to the worst major-conference team in America, the Vadgers lose to Michigan State, and life once again starts to suck for these Kohl's Vadger fans.
I know what to do with my life! Let's go over to the Marquette fan forums, a school we pretend isn't even relevant to us because they're just a mid major in a mid major conference (forget that Butler, who is getting killed in the BE, beat one of our top dogs, MU, who is getting killed in the BE, beat one of our top dogs, etc.), and try to rile them up!
Good luck with Gard. I think Marquette fans are just as excited as you that he will be the next coach in Madison.
I don't remember if this was actually asked back in this thread, but, straight from the horse's mouth (well at least Novak's twitter feed a while back):
Most 3's ever made in a row? 62
Most FT's made in a row? 212
I "liked" those tweets because I knew I would have to refer back to them some day. I still can't believe those numbers.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
I can give you 20 more if you want.
20? Or 500,000? Or a million? Which is it?
What an effen douche.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 19, 2016, 12:31:29 PM
Why even engage this guy? Here's his story:
His beloved UW Vadgers started off the season horribly, losing to 2 mid (okay, low) majors at home, losing at home to the in state rival. This was coming off the best 2 years in the history of his favorite team's program. A team he is a fan of because his UWSP alum father once bought him a sweatshirt from Kohl's for Christmas when he was young. Things looked bleak for his beloved school that he never attended. To make things worse, the Saint that had been around for as long as he could remember turned out to be not so big of a Saint, but daddy didn't tell him that when he got his sweatshirt! Shocked that a man of that age could still get it up, he was even more shocked by the man quitting on his team. But then something weird happened. The Vadgers got into B1G play, you know, the best conference in America, who the heck wouldn't want to be part of that conference? Not only do you get the best athletics in the country, but the best academics too! And what do you know, they run off 7 straight, including a HUGE win at Maryland! They're set! Back to another Final Four!
Oh wait, Maryland loses to the worst major-conference team in America, the Vadgers lose to Michigan State, and life once again starts to suck for these Kohl's Vadger fans.
I know what to do with my life! Let's go over to the Marquette fan forums, a school we pretend isn't even relevant to us because they're just a mid major in a mid major conference (forget that Butler, who is getting killed in the BE, beat one of our top dogs, MU, who is getting killed in the BE, beat one of our top dogs, etc.), and try to rile them up!
Good luck with Gard. I think Marquette fans are just as excited as you that he will be the next coach in Madison.
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Quote from: lurch91 on February 19, 2016, 08:23:10 AM
Can someone remind us how well the San Antonio workout went for Steve a few years back. Didn't he hit a crazy number of three in a row?
Not sure how many in a row. But he made 96/100 which is insane.
Even when Curry hit 77 in a row last year. His final total was like 92/100.
Just show how insane 96 is.
Steve Novak, Steph Curry, Steve Kerr. I guess if you want your kid to be a crazy good shooter, Stephen is the name for you.
Quote from: buckchuckler on February 19, 2016, 04:02:08 PM
Steve Novak, Steph Curry, Steve Kerr. I guess if you want your kid to be a crazy good shooter, Stephen is the name for you.
Steven Avery?
Say what you will but, as Alfred McGuire said, the guy made some serious dough 'running around in his underwear.'
That is f#cking great in my book.
Many years back, Chicos went on one of his rants about how Cream taught Novak how to expand his game beyond that of a spot up shooter. It was ridiculous then and it's ridiculous now.
Novak, by the way, is one of my all time favorites. Loved when he got the ball and got ready to shoot. A thing of beauty.
Quote from: MU TommyDieHard on February 19, 2016, 10:03:10 AM
Those 500,000 guys aren't tall enough to be in NBA. Get it?
Why is he doing nothing the last 3-4 years? Did he forget how to shoot? No, it is the rest of his game. Doesn't matter if he is that big a defensive liability.
He is a class act and great shooter. I actually was pulling hard for him. I just don't understand how a great shooter like that cannot be a court spacer and three drainer on a team with a great player constantly demanding doubles. Something is up. See Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Dirk, Ersan I even of Bucks, Kerr, Parsons, all slow footed very good shooters that have managed to remain on the court. I can give you 20 more if you want. Can you?
An unguarded Novak is likely one of the top 5 shooters in the history of the planet and I might be selling him short there.
He is in a league of his own when it comes to shooting the rock. His limitations elsewhere are what keep him off the court. Every other player you mentioned brings something else to the table besides shooting. They are/were at least average at another NBA level skill. None of them are/were better shooters than Novak. Some might be close (Kerr, Dirk, Reddick), others not even close (Anderson, Ersan, Parsons). But Novak is a better pure shooter than all of them.
Basically you're trying to argue that he's an average shooter by saying he can't play defense, rebound, run fast, or dribble well. Duh. But all are irrelevant as it pertains to his shooting ability.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 19, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Let's be honest, his height had a little bit to do with it.
Indeed. It's the only thing that allows him to get an open look.
But give the guy an inch and he'll bury it in your face.
Quote from: Benny B on February 19, 2016, 11:07:07 AM
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That is the real willie wampum.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 19, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Let's be honest, his height had a little bit to do with it.
Fair point
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 20, 2016, 07:31:32 AM
Indeed. It's the only thing that allows him to get an open look.
But give the guy an inch and he'll bury it in your face.
But the argument "Tommy" is making isn't being tall makes him a better shooter. I would agree with that.
He is arguing that Novak is a shooter like thousands of others but only made the NBA because he is tall. That is a different argument entirely.
Steve is coming home.....https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/701094380166184960
Novak to the Bucks
Bucks! Playoffs baby!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 20, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
But the argument "Tommy" is making isn't being tall makes him a better shooter. I would agree with that.
He is arguing that Novak is a shooter like thousands of others but only made the NBA because he is tall. That is a different argument entirely.
I disagree with everything Tommy has said re: Novak. No serious Novak observer would ever make any of those statements. We are in complete agreement Sultan
In my hay day my shooting % from downtown was very similar to Novaks when I played 3 on 3 pick up games.
So do I qualify as one of the 500,000?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 19, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
Many years back, Chicos went on one of his rants about how Cream taught Novak how to expand his game beyond that of a spot up shooter. It was ridiculous then and it's ridiculous now.
Novak, by the way, is one of my all time favorites. Loved when he got the ball and got ready to shoot. A thing of beauty.
It wasn't my rant, it was Steve Novak who said it. I'll find the video to make you look foolish again. Steve was a one trick pony for some time at MU, but Crean and staff forced him to go mid range and even post up, to keep the defense honest. It worked. Now, in the pros, Steve doesn't have the body to play that way, but in college he could. That's why in the NBA they put him back as a one trick pony (and a great one at that), because that is what he could do.
Sorry you still don't get it. When I find the video, please be sure to call Steve Novak an idiot for talking about the staff and what they forced him to do to become a better, more well rounded player. I'm sure Steve would enjoy it, I know I will.
I'm excited for this from a bucks perspective. Not that it will make a huge impact but it will be nice to watch Giannis with a little extra spacing from a stretch 4.
Not the video I'm looking for, but I'll find it. Video has some nice footage of Steve being MORE than a spot up shooter.
https://www.youtube.com/v/eeJxNn3CqdQ
https://www.youtube.com/v/yvgTAFVcx7A
Your argument years ago, PRN, is that all he did was spot up, which was crap. As this video below clearly shows. By the time he was a junior and senior, he was taking guys off the dribble, using his midrange, etc. That came from a lot of practice, pushing by the staff, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/v/p85vUMWtMz0
Holy Mother of God...you STILL think he isn't a spot up shooter? It's literally all he's ever been able to do! And God love him for it!
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/369532191.html
Bucks poised to add Steve Novak through waiver process
By Charles F. Gardner of the Journal Sentinel
Feb. 20, 2016 1:14 p.m.
Atlanta - Former Marquette University standout Steve Novak has drawn serious interest from the Milwaukee Bucks, according to a league source.
Novak could join the Bucks if he clears waivers Sunday, after receiving a buyout from the Denver Nuggets on Friday. Novak was traded from the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Nuggets as part of a trade deadline deal Thursday.
The Bucks would have to release a player to add Novak as they are at the league maximum of 15 roster spots.
Milwaukee would be Novak's ninth NBA team. He posted a Twitter photo of his son earlier in the week, featuring the youngster shooting at a New York Knicks hoop while wearing an Oklahoma City jersey and Utah Jazz shorts.
Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade and fellow ex-Marquette star responded on Twitter: "Next we have to get him a Dwyane Wade Miami Heat basketball."
The 32-year-old Novak played in only seven games with the Thunder this season and was averaging 2.4 points.
The best years of his pro career came with the Knicks during the 2011-'12 and 2012-'13 seasons. He shot 47.2% from three-point range in 2011-'12 and averaged 8.8 points in 18.9 minutes per game.
The following year, when Jason Kidd was a Knicks teammate, Novak averaged 6.6 points in a career-best 20.3 minutes per game while appearing in 81 games. He shot 42.5% from three-point distance.
Novak also has played for the Houston Rockets, the team that drafted him in the second round in 2006 (32nd overall); the Los Angeles Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio Spurs, Knicks, Toronto Raptors, Jazz and Thunder.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 20, 2016, 12:54:39 PM
Holy Mother of God...you STILL think he isn't a spot up shooter? It's literally all he's ever been able to do! And God love him for it!
I never said he isn't a spot up shooter...ever. I said he is MORE than a spot up shooter and the staff helped him to expand his game. Ignore the videos as you wish, if you think there are not many examples of him posting up, doing something OTHER than ONLY spot up shooting, than you are blind. Simply, blind.
Quite frankly, when you say "it's LITERALLY ALL HE'S EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO" is a tremendous disservice to Steve Novak and his time at MU. He became a defender, a rebounder, and more than just a spot up shooter at MU. In the NBA, yes....he is a spot up shooter, because he can't do the other things at that level. At MU, he came in as a spot up shooter, but he evolved.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on February 20, 2016, 12:29:31 PM
I'm excited for this from a bucks perspective. Not that it will make a huge impact but it will be nice to watch Giannis with a little extra spacing from a stretch 4.
Novak will not play at all.
Shots fired on top Deadspin comments :)
Rylo Ken
2/20/16 8:18pm
You'd have to take them over the Marquette Golden Eagles, that's for sure.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 20, 2016, 07:42:42 PM
I never said he isn't a spot up shooter...ever. I said he is MORE than a spot up shooter and the staff helped him to expand his game. Ignore the videos as you wish, if you think there are not many examples of him posting up, doing something OTHER than ONLY spot up shooting, than you are blind. Simply, blind.
Quite frankly, when you say "it's LITERALLY ALL HE'S EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO" is a tremendous disservice to Steve Novak and his time at MU. He became a defender, a rebounder, and more than just a spot up shooter at MU. In the NBA, yes....he is a spot up shooter, because he can't do the other things at that level. At MU, he came in as a spot up shooter, but he evolved.
Please dont get so mad and insulting to people here. This thread has only been discussing his NBA history, play and skills...so the post/poster was totally consistent with what even you concede...he has been one dimensional at the NBA level.
Sure you can support your insult by redefining the argument to include his college, pre NBA time...where he could get away with the poorer body positioning and poor footwork, and still stay in front of an opponent and grab a board or two. But why?
Sure the post mistakenly says its all he could
ever do, but my guess is with his size ...in grade school and high school he could do plenty more. Should we redefine to those levels too...just to top someone else? I can only ask...please take a pause before posting and ramping up to calling others blind...especially where here you literally had to recast the point to another period..just make it valid. I like that you post; I have always supported your right of speech...but I dont find any insults or bullying to be an integral part of the points you make. I think you are fully capable of making them without making others feel bad. Argue the merits...not the achilles...please. Thanks
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Novak will not play at all.
what? really? i was at the game on friday-they sure could have used him-vaugh-their designated "sharp shooter" must have missed like 6 or more WIDE OPEN LOOKS from the arc-brutal. if we had stevo, we would have won that game. as someone here noted, he will stretch the floor. kinda like establishing the passing game to open the run-EH'na? plus jason kidd is a fan. he will find a slot for him, even if it's only for a few minutes at a time, they will be productive minutes in more ways than one
Novak did develop in college to be a solid rebounder, etc. however, those skills weren't what got him this long of a career in the nba.
I recall him dunking in college once or twice. Back then he was a real rim wrecker.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 21, 2016, 07:57:46 AM
I recall him dunking in college once or twice. Back then he was a real rim wrecker.
You still haven't brought yourself to watch the videos, have you. For you to say ALL he did was spot up shoot, is a disservice to the man. I'm sorry you are stuck with this one.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 21, 2016, 07:37:20 AM
Novak did develop in college to be a solid rebounder, etc. however, those skills weren't what got him this long of a career in the nba.
100% agree, but that's not what we were talking about. PRN has such a dildo up his rumpus about a certain coach, that when that player says how much he improved and was forced to become a complete player, which Novak ultimately did in college, he just digs his heels in more.
Novak was only a spot up shooter are his words. That's true his freshman year, and mostly in the NBA because he is a specialist. It is not what Novak was his entire career at MU where he worked his arse of to be a post up, mid range player in addition to his 3 point elegance.
Novak's freshman year, 18% of his attempts were from 2 point land.
Over his next three years, that number moved to 30%. Of course, still very high for 3 point shots, and why wouldn't it be as adept as he was at the three, but he had to evolve and get better at doing just 3 point shooting. His 3 point shots also came in wider varieties toward the end of his career. They weren't just spot up 3's anymore....
https://www.youtube.com/v/B6jVDdqVML4
somehow i remember being frustrated as hell when crean didn't design more plays to free up stevo, especially when the team struggled. being 10 years removed(wow, where did time go?) i can't cite specifics, but just saying. i know he has good stats and all, but he could have been utilized even more. he was a pretty good all-around player-more so than some are giving him credit for-funny how he's being "type-cast" NOW he is the designated sniper-nothing wrong with that, just as some are the designated defenders, etc...
Was asked by buddy yesterday who last MU guy to play for Bucks was. Only 3 I could remember were Tony Smith for a cup of coffee at the end of his career, Lloyd Walton for about 5 years in the late 70s and George Thompson for a year at the end of his career. Missing anybody?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
Novak's freshman year, 18% of his attempts were from 2 point land.
Over his next three years, that number moved to 30%. Of course, still very high for 3 point shots, and why wouldn't it be as adept as he was at the three, but he had to evolve and get better at doing just 3 point shooting. His 3 point shots also came in wider varieties toward the end of his career. They weren't just spot up 3's anymore....
https://www.youtube.com/v/B6jVDdqVML4
Typically dishonest use of statistics on your part. As a freshman, Steve was an off the bench, 15 minute a game player on a team with D Wade, Robert Jackson, etc. We had other guys to slash, post up, etc.. His ONLY job on that team was to shoot 3s, and 82% of his attempts were from beyond the arc.
But his % of 3pt shots didn't drop to 71.3% (still a staggering percentage for a 6'10" - or any - guy) "over his next three years" (as you put it). They dropped immediately to that number when he became a starter as a sophomore (starters may have a specialty, but they're asked to do at least a little more than one job). And his % of 3 pt shots as a senior was exactly the same (71.3%) as it was as a sophomore. From the first game he started at MU to his last game there he was literally the EXACT SAME type of player offensively. All of the "post up moves" and "mid range game" that YOU saw him add to his repertoire were in your "I love TC" imagination. What a surprise!!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/B6jVDdqVML4
Speaking of which, MU has not had a walk-off (or close to it) HOME victory since this shot, IIRC. Carlino had a game winner but with 12 clicks last year vs. Creighton...and Junior had the game tier versus UCONN in the wrong way game. We are due!
Quote from: Eye on February 21, 2016, 11:31:22 AM
Was asked by buddy yesterday who last MU guy to play for Bucks was. Only 3 I could remember were Tony Smith for a cup of coffee at the end of his career, Lloyd Walton for about 5 years in the late 70s and George Thompson for a year at the end of his career. Missing anybody?
#31 was drafted by da Bucks back in da day, hey?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2016, 12:05:49 PM
Speaking of which, MU has not had a walk-off (or close to it) HOME victory since this shot, IIRC. Carlino had a game winner but with 12 clicks last year vs. Creighton...and Junior had the game tier versus UCONN in the wrong way game. We are due!
i was at both games when we beat notre dame at the buzzer-my ears are still ringing. novak's shot and doc rivers 1/2 court/45 foot bank shot against notre in the old arena(US cellular) in jan. 1981. doc's shot was back when it was a REAL rivalry. i mean there was some real hate on ND back then. at least as much as the relationship with bucky today. not taking anything away from stevo's winner-fantastic!
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/story/1038434-30-yrs-ago-doc-rivers-buzzer-shot-beats-nd
Quote from: Eye on February 21, 2016, 11:31:22 AM
Was asked by buddy yesterday who last MU guy to play for Bucks was. Only 3 I could remember were Tony Smith for a cup of coffee at the end of his career, Lloyd Walton for about 5 years in the late 70s and George Thompson for a year at the end of his career. Missing anybody?
Nope.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=marquette
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 21, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
i was at both games when we beat notre dame at the buzzer-my ears are still ringing. novak's shot and doc rivers 1/2 court/45 foot bank shot against notre in the old arena(US cellular) in jan. 1981. doc's shot was back when it was a REAL rivalry. i mean there was some real hate on ND back then. at least as much as the relationship with bucky today. not taking anything away from stevo's winner-fantastic!
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/story/1038434-30-yrs-ago-doc-rivers-buzzer-shot-beats-nd
That clip I posted when Novak hit the shot, the crowd is bananas loud. Usually TV doesn't do it justice, but that clip does a good job. Wish I was at that game in person, but enjoyed it from home for sure.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2016, 10:59:05 AM
100% agree, but that's not what we were talking about. PRN has such a dildo up his rumpus about a certain coach, that when that player says how much he improved and was forced to become a complete player, which Novak ultimately did in college, he just digs his heels in more.
Novak was only a spot up shooter are his words. That's true his freshman year, and mostly in the NBA because he is a specialist. It is not what Novak was his entire career at MU where he worked his arse of to be a post up, mid range player in addition to his 3 point elegance.
Having a dildo up my "rumpus" would be much less uncomfortable than having Tom Cream as.the head coach of the Warriors.
Thanks Sultan. Figured it'd be easier to just ask on here than do the research.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 21, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
i was at both games when we beat notre dame at the buzzer-my ears are still ringing. novak's shot and doc rivers 1/2 court/45 foot bank shot against notre in the old arena(US cellular) in jan. 1981. doc's shot was back when it was a REAL rivalry. i mean there was some real hate on ND back then. at least as much as the relationship with bucky today. not taking anything away from stevo's winner-fantastic!
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/story/1038434-30-yrs-ago-doc-rivers-buzzer-shot-beats-nd
Rivers' shot remains my single favorite in-person Marquette memory, rocket.
Actually, Tripucka runnin' to da chitter mid-game was pretty cool, ai na?
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Rivers' shot remains my single favorite in-person Marquette memory, rocket.
Embedded in this interview...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ECpmMwXEHc
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2016, 06:48:13 PM
Embedded in this interview...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ECpmMwXEHc
2:50 in. I would love to see a clip of it with the broadcast audio to hear the crowd.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2016, 06:48:13 PM
Embedded in this interview...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ECpmMwXEHc
That's great stuff. I gotta save that for posterity!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2016, 12:05:49 PM
Speaking of which, MU has not had a walk-off (or close to it) HOME victory since this shot, IIRC. Carlino had a game winner but with 12 clicks last year vs. Creighton...and Junior had the game tier versus UCONN in the wrong way game. We are due!
It wasn't at home but it was a walk-off
https://www.youtube.com/v/AD5p_kg5oAo
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2016, 06:48:13 PM
Embedded in this interview...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ECpmMwXEHc
Great interview
Thanks for sharing....that band member knows it is going in about 10 feet from the basket....always fun to watch.
Like his comments about Wojo (yes, I realize that he has to say the right things, but I do believe Doc believes what he is saying).
I appreciate excellence no matter what package it comes in. Novak is simply one of the finest long range shooters ever. The fact that he is a Marquette guy makes it even sweeter. I think it will be awesome if he ends up signing with the Bucks.
Maybe in his off time he can come over to the Al and work with our team to help develop their shooting form.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2016, 12:05:49 PM
Speaking of which, MU has not had a walk-off (or close to it) HOME victory since this shot, IIRC. Carlino had a game winner but with 12 clicks last year vs. Creighton...and Junior had the game tier versus UCONN in the wrong way game. We are due!
Also in the "almost, but not quite a walk-off" category over the past few years is Whittington missing the third FT attempt.
#donedeal.
Welcome home Steve. Buy that kid some new basketball gear. If uncle DWade sends a ball, cool by me.
The Brown Deer Bomber is back home
Welcome home Steve!!!
https://twitter.com/bucks/status/701813196357836800
Video of Steve at bucks practice spraying the 3 balls
Matt Velazquez @Matt_Velazquez 2m2 minutes ago
"We want Novak" chant coming from the @CreamCityClash. There's 10 minutes to go, Bucks up 95-71.
Perhaps we could convince HE to return another year with one year of free three-ball lessons from Novak.
Quote from: Benny B on February 22, 2016, 09:11:06 PM
Perhaps we could convince HE to return another year with one year of free three-ball lessons from Novak.
Hank will be in Milwaukee as long as Novak is (well, at least playing basketball) in Milwaukee.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 22, 2016, 02:06:37 PM
https://twitter.com/bucks/status/701813196357836800
Video of Steve at bucks practice spraying the 3 balls
Dammit, PRN is going to watch that video loop 500 times.....
Matt Velazquez @Matt_Velazquez 37m37 minutes ago
Giannis to Novak, but Novak can't stroke the 3 from the top of the key. The crowd wanted that one.
3 is a cool synonym, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 21, 2016, 06:37:28 PM
Actually, Tripucka runnin' to da chitter mid-game was pretty cool, ai na?
someone told him conejitos was the place to go when in town....after the game ;D he was a piece of...work Eh'na?
Novak out for year. Well....that was fast