Is Fischer ever going to play well against a good team or vs some good players his size. He looks so small against anyone 6"10 and above. He can't hit free throws and just throws the ball towards the basket when down low. He reminds me of that 6"10 center that played under Majerus who supposedly could go with either hand and had a great outlet pass. (supposedly)
Quote from: muwar2003 on January 02, 2016, 07:26:50 PM
Is Fischer ever going to play well against a good team or vs some good players his size. He looks so small against anyone 6"10 and above. He can't hit free throws and just throws the ball towards the basket when down low. He reminds me of that 6"10 center that played under Majerus who supposedly could go with either hand and had a great outlet pass. (supposedly)
I was there in person tonight and Luke played fine in my opinion. He was much better than Henry in the first half. All of Georgetowns big guys were much heavier and as tall or bigger than Luke. For all the crap Luke takes, Henry deserves the same if not more, as he is the burger boy, not Luke.
He needs to work on strength and particularly lower extremity strength to be able to finish versus the bodying up that characterizes the BE.
Luke looked small tonight. To his credit, he kept attacking. He was continuously bumped and didn't get a call. He needs to learn to be the aggressor and finish through contact. But I won't fault his effort.
Agrre
Quote from: Norm on January 02, 2016, 07:31:32 PM
I was there in person tonight and Luke played fine in my opinion. He was much better than Henry in the first half. All of Georgetowns big guys were much heavier and as tall or bigger than Luke. For all the crap Luke takes, Henry deserves the same if not more, as he is the burger boy, not Luke.
Agree with this analysis.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Luke looked small tonight. To his credit, he kept attacking. He was continuously bumped and didn't get a call. He needs to learn to be the aggressor and finish through contact. But I won't fault his effort.
Agreed. I am typically overly harsh on Luke. But he fought hard today. Not a great game but a solid effort/game.
I really like Luke.......However, he has been painful to watch on the post. Having a very tough time finishing. Someone needs to continue to work with him on his post moves. I feel like he can get better but this league is not going to cut him any slack. Plain and simple...he needs to better.
Wave your magic wand and make it happen. While you are at it, make Matt quicker and all of our 2-3's (JJ, Duane, Sandy, Wally) 2 inches taller with an extra 20 lbs of muscle, please. Oh, and as part of the better, give Luke a jump shot. Awaiting the outcome of your wand waving.
During the game I was upset with Luke. The reality was he was average tonight. The problem is he has to be great or near perfect for MU to win on the road. He has solved the fouling problem this year. Scoring at close range is still a challenge at times.
I like Luke. Liked him at IU, like him here, but as I said the day he transferred here, he is what he is. He'll continue to get better, but he's not going to be in the NBA or set the world on fire. He works really hard, but has some limitations.
I'll say some similar things about HE. When he's gone up against other bigs, he's really struggled in my opinion. He's a freshman, playing in a freshman body and it shows. His lack of 3 point shooting and athleticism \ strength really hurts him. I have no doubt that some NBA teams want him to go pro and will pay him to do so, but feels to me that he could really use another year.
I guess I do not understand all the angst about Luke's play and nary a thread on Henry Ellenson's play. I do not dislike either guy, but HE seems to get a pass while Luke gets barraged with scorn in comparison. Ellenson is taller (by an inch) than Luke, is a burger boy, and is supposed to be a one-and-done. Yet, Ellenson has been awful shooting 3-pointers (and anything else beyond 10 feet), has disappeared in the first half of many games, and does not play near the basket much at all. Yet we have a threads about Luke's play but none on HE. Does not seem to add up.
They're not using the two bigs correctly, IMO. Luke struggled finishing against Presbyterian, and is struggling with contact in a huge way. Yet, they force feed him on the block, and vacate that side which gives the opposition license to help with no repercussions. Henry just goes wherever the fook he wants, which hasn't worked at all.
They need to treat Henry like a true stretch 4. He's dynamite catching in the high post, or baseline wide. Give him room to operate, rather than constantly going into traffic. They also need to figure out ways to keep Fischer mobile. Screen across. Run some high low action. Pick and roll. Anything that makes the defender move with him and create some space.
Marquette's halfcourt offense is so easy to guard right now. The ball goes inside, and doesn't come out. And as long as you put a body on a big, chances are they'll miss. Hard to win that way.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 02, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
They're not using the two bigs correctly, IMO. Luke struggled finishing against Presbyterian, and is struggling with contact in a huge way. Yet, they force feed him on the block, and vacate that side which gives the opposition license to help with no repercussions. Henry just goes wherever the fook he wants, which hasn't worked at all.
It drives me nuts when Luke gets the ball and literally everyone vacates that side, which happened constantly today. I thought repeatedly "someone come give him a damn outlet." Instead he had to force shots into triple teams because there was nowhere else he could go with the ball.
Had anyone gone to that side we would have had wide open threes all day. Instead they left him on a island.
Luke has been our best player this season.
I would love to see Marquette use him offensively like we did Robert Jackson with Wade. But we don't have a Wade or even Diener to draw the defense like those 2 did. But I would love to see some high pick and pops with Duane or Cheatham up top, Hank setting the pick, and Luke on the opposite side of the block behind the basket. His man comes and helps, drop it off to him for the dunk. Hank's extends a hedge, hit Hank for a 16 foot jumper or put it on the deck, otherwise the ballhandler finishes. Send Sandy to the corner to knock down a 3 if his man helps.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 02, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
It drives me nuts when Luke gets the ball and literally everyone vacates that side, which happened constantly today. I thought repeatedly "someone come give him a damn outlet." Instead he had to force shots into triple teams because there was nowhere else he could go with the ball.
Had anyone gone to that side we would have had wide open threes all day. Instead they left him on a island.
I agree with this. I would like to see some "2-man game" with either Duane or Sandy on his side at the 3-point line. Then if Luke has nowhere to go, he has an outlet ... and one that might even result in an open 3-pointer.
I disagree with the previous poster who talked about Luke always getting double-teamed, however. Smaller teams do it but Georgetown didn't very often tonight unless Luke dribbled right down into one. JTIII didn't feel its bigs needed much help against Luke and he was right.
I agree with those who are giving Luke a lot of heat, though. He is who he is and I think he battled really hard tonight. He's just not strong enough against those kinds of bigs.
Luke is our center and he is doing the best he can given the obvious limitations and growing pains of our coaching staff.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 02, 2016, 10:44:12 PM
Luke is our center and he is doing the best he can given the obvious limitations and growing pains of our coaching staff.
What would those be?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2016, 10:48:46 PM
What would those be?
The results speak for themselves. 23-23 career coaching record.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 02, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
The results speak for themselves. 23-23 career coaching record.
Lol
Luke is just soft as is HE. Can't finish over or through tough straight up defense consistently. Luke is who he is. Henry could learn, but likely will do so in the NBA.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on January 02, 2016, 11:18:28 PM
Luke is just soft as is HE. Can't finish over or through tough straight up defense consistently. Luke is who he is. Henry could learn, but likely will do so in the NBA.
Woah was worried about you. You'd been pretty silent for a while.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2016, 11:19:56 PM
Woah was worried about you. You'd been pretty silent for a while.
can you blame me. Didn't have a lot to crow about.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on January 02, 2016, 11:30:37 PM
can you blame me. Didn't have a lot to crow about.
At least you're honest. I can respect that.
In otherwords we don't get the ball to the open man, in fact we don't even try. I suppose we haven't put that into the offence.
We don't seem to take what they give us, we give them what we want to give them come what may.
10 straight misses between Henba and LF at Georgetown. We should have taken that game.
Quote from: Norm on January 02, 2016, 08:34:58 PM
I guess I do not understand all the angst about Luke's play and nary a thread on Henry Ellenson's play. I do not dislike either guy, but HE seems to get a pass while Luke gets barraged with scorn in comparison. Ellenson is taller (by an inch) than Luke, is a burger boy, and is supposed to be a one-and-done. Yet, Ellenson has been awful shooting 3-pointers (and anything else beyond 10 feet), has disappeared in the first half of many games, and does not play near the basket much at all. Yet we have a threads about Luke's play but none on HE. Does not seem to add up.
stole my thoughts plus, when henry is a little down, he feels the need to try to carry the team and then actually hurts us by forcing shots. it's like, well, i haven't scored much here, and he lowers his head and makes it clear that he is going to shoot regardless. he hasn't played up against near the top talent of the league yet and his "freshman" is showing-that's ok. i just hope he isn't getting caught up in the one and done thing and get a "michelle wie" pulled on him-you know hype hype hype, then....she became adequate-mediocre at best-she does have the best legs and posterior in the league though-heyna fellas?
they cannot force him to develop-it will come. so what if it takes 2 years. i honestly think 3 would be perfect-is there some selfishness in there? probably, but don't get vander'ed or wie'd what the hell is 1 or 2 more years to further a 15 year nba career ??
It is just a wake up call of playing against talented, strong, tall front lines. Fischer did not do worst than if Marquette kept feeding Otule and expected him to win the game for them. The only way Marquette will win is with balanced scoring from all five players and by a variety of means. If Marquette expects to win any other way it isn't going to happen because it is to easy to defend and the other teams have to much talent. Marquette has a lot of talent. Spread the scoring options, ways and means.
luke is going to be fine. just needs a little more lower body strength and he'll be finishing a lot of those shots and getting the calls
Luke seems to be an awful shooter. He doesn't finish underneath. At least he is consistent. He misses close shots, ten foot shots and free throws.
Henry can do more, but, his poor shooting hurts us a lot. He misses too much. In my opinion, he plays like a freshman with good potential, but makes a lot of mistakes. He is not good enough yet to dominate games.
Sadly, this Marquette team does not have a player that can take over a game.
HE plays like a freshman that's being *relied upon* to take over games. He ends up being forced the ball in some tough spots and he's expected to finish with it. I think in another month or two he will be going up harder and finishing with the ball point blank.
Luke very rarely goes straight up with the ball when he's point blank. He always tries to get an angle on his defender. If he were more aggressive and went straight into the teeth of the defense I think he'd end up with a higher shooting percentage, as well as a higher percentage of getting to the line.
I don't understand the strategy of pounding the ball inside against teams that are physically bigger. I'm not going to bang on Luke or Henry because they are being asked to do things that I don't think are going to lead to success. Marquette did a good job in transition and is actually pretty quick at the guard position. Going small might be a better option than continuously pounding against a wall.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 02, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
They're not using the two bigs correctly, IMO. Luke struggled finishing against Presbyterian, and is struggling with contact in a huge way. Yet, they force feed him on the block, and vacate that side which gives the opposition license to help with no repercussions. Henry just goes wherever the fook he wants, which hasn't worked at all.
They need to treat Henry like a true stretch 4. He's dynamite catching in the high post, or baseline wide. Give him room to operate, rather than constantly going into traffic. They also need to figure out ways to keep Fischer mobile. Screen across. Run some high low action. Pick and roll. Anything that makes the defender move with him and create some space.
Marquette's halfcourt offense is so easy to guard right now. The ball goes inside, and doesn't come out. And as long as you put a body on a big, chances are they'll miss. Hard to win that way.
Good analysis: Time for some self analysis and adjustments by Wojo. I would add that they need to work on how to feed the bigs. Should be able to improve this season.
Just like football, we need to be able to have some success inside in order for a chance from 15 feet and out. Not necessarily 3's , but a nice mid-range, higher percentage shot and vice versa/outside-in
i still like going inside as a rule but I want our bigs to kick it back out when they don't have a legit opportunity. Maybe that is part of the plan but Hank and Luke don't know what "legit" means?
One thing about Hank is that you can almost always tell when he has made up his mind that "It's my turn to score." It makes him relatively easy to defend because a pass isn't gonna happen. He and Deonte would have made quite a pair, especially given that Duane and Haanif have some of that in them, too.
Part of it will be more maturity, and part of it will come with better coaching. I am a big Wojo fan, but he's a relative neophyte, too.
The only criticism of Luke I have (and it really more of a criticism of Wojo, because it is coaching) is that Fischer should be passing the ball out and reestablishing himself. You can see where Fischer decides he is going to shoot no matter what. He backs his defender down and then takes a difficult shot over the defender. He did this against Seton Hall in the second half several times and against Georgetown. So far in the Big East the defender can physically hold his position and not get called for a foul. I am okay with that, but it is really a big contrast to not being able to touch a guard without fouling.
My take on Luke is that he will continue to improve, but his lack of strength really does affect his finishing at the basket. I think many on this board don't realize that he has been hurt every summer (or recovering from surgery) every summer he has been here. Shoulder surgery has definitely hurt his physical development, especially that which occurs between seasons. I think he will have a very strong year next season, especially with the availability of a dead eye shooter who will be eligible in the fall.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 03, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
I don't understand the strategy of pounding the ball inside against teams that are physically bigger. I'm not going to bang on Luke or Henry because they are being asked to do things that I don't think are going to lead to success. Marquette did a good job in transition and is actually pretty quick at the guard position. Going small might be a better option than continuously pounding against a wall.
I agree to a point. I'd like to see MU continue to pound it into Luke and Henry...as long as they give them an outlet. As Brew mentioned last night, we often got it into Luke without providing a guy on the perimeter on that side, so he had no choice but to force a shot. If we put a guy like Sandy, JJJ or Duane in the corner on the side where Luke gets the ball, he has an option to kick it back out...either for a 3 or a chance to reset the offense.
Quote from: MU82 on January 03, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
i still like going inside as a rule but I want our bigs to kick it back out when they don't have a legit opportunity. Maybe that is part of the plan but Hank and Luke don't know what "legit" means?
One thing about Hank is that you can almost always tell when he has made up his mind that "It's my turn to score." It makes him relatively easy to defend because a pass isn't gonna happen. He and Deonte would have made quite a pair, especially given that Duane and Haanif have some of that in them, too.
Part of it will be more maturity, and part of it will come with better coaching. I am a big Wojo fan, but he's a relative neophyte, too.
Completely agree
Quote from: 6746jonesr on January 03, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
My take on Luke is that he will continue to improve, but his lack of strength really does affect his finishing at the basket. I think many on this board don't realize that he has been hurt every summer (or recovering from surgery) every summer he has been here. Shoulder surgery has definitely hurt his physical development, especially that which occurs between seasons. I think he will have a very strong year next season, especially with the availability of a dead eye shooter who will be eligible in the fall.
I felt that Luke came back too early this summer. He should not have played in Italy and instead focused on rehab and strengthening through September
Luke is not as big as he needs to be. Playing the bigs on G'Town, Xavier, etc, he's going to get pushed around as they outweigh him by a lot. He's just not as thick as he needs to get to. I'd also like to see Marquette try the Andy Enfield (aka Dunk City) approach of having him keep the ball high. When he gets rebounds, he tends to duck, get low, and then try to go up. But he gets blocked a lot. I'd rather he just stay tall and keep the ball high. Loved his moves yesterday, especially the pick-and-rolls.
Most of Luke's shots near the basket seemed to hit low on the front of the rim. Thought he is backing away from contact rather than initiating it.I See him developing strength and making that change
Can someone tell me who was the last Marquette big that played well? I'm talking about someone over 6' 7".
Remember we still won without legitimate bigs. To have a Luke is a real plus although he has limitations. Luke can not carry this team nor can HE. HE gets all the press and fan support but in BE play he shows he is just another freshman. Our biggest problem has been well documented and need not be repeated again. But how about a 3 point shooter who opens up the middle, how about someone who can drive the ball without losing it, how about players that guard closer than 10 feet or get lost, how about fast, crisp passing? Are these all Luke's fault? Yes we have problems but to single one player out is unfair. Our problems are much greater that playing JJJ more, bulking up Luke or changing the coach. We need a team that implements the basics of basketball.
The good news is in the second half MU showed this team is really trying and angry. Wojo et. al. can teach the basics. Hopefully they will listen, fight back and never , never yield. Success comes with recognizing issues and working on them until they are addressed.
Quote from: Class71 on January 03, 2016, 01:45:12 PM
Can someone tell me who was the last Marquette big that played well? I'm talking about someone over 6' 7".
Davante Gardner played well. Luke Fischer by and large is playing well too.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on January 02, 2016, 11:18:28 PM
Luke is just soft as is HE. Can't finish over or through tough straight up defense consistently. Luke is who he is. Henry could learn, but likely will do so in the NBA.
How about criticizing our team, you go celebrate on your own borard? How's that potential 3 seed working out for you?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 03, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Davante Gardner played well. Luke Fischer by and large is playing well too.
Agree on Davante's offense, but like Luke, Davante also had issues but we all loved his game while we climb all over Luke. I think folks expect a big to carry the team this year ... not going to happen. Similarly Davante could not carry the team in his last year.
Quote from: Class71 on January 03, 2016, 02:08:54 PM
Agree on Davante's offense, but like Luke, Davante also had issues but we all loved his game while we climb all over Luke. I think folks expect a big to carry the team this year ... not going to happen. Similarly Davante could not carry the team in his last year.
Right. If people are placing the blame on the first two games on one person, they are missing something. No one has really been good.
Agree, but somehow there was a spark in the second half that said to me there is hope they can get their act together. I hope that anger at themselves, because of failure, is far too painful and it pushes them to do what we believe they can do. Sometimes failures lead to success. Sometimes some just fold their tent. I do not think this group will do that.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 03, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
How about criticizing our team, you go celebrate on your own borard? How's that potential 3 seed working out for you?
Poorly.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Luke looked small tonight. To his credit, he kept attacking. He was continuously bumped and didn't get a call. He needs to learn to be the aggressor and finish through contact. But I won't fault his effort.
Agree
Luke is arguably our best player. He didn't finish through contact very well against G-town but he will be fine. We need to keep feeding him in the post and he needs to start going at the rim with a little more authority.
Just win baby.
GT made 22 of 23(95%) free throws for chriminey sakes! every time we'd try to make a run and score, they would just neutralize it at the free throw line
Can anyone imagine how this team would be without Fischer?
The alternative is too terrible to consider.
Quote from: keefe on January 03, 2016, 08:58:56 PM
Can anyone imagine how this team would be without Fischer?
The alternative is too terrible to consider.
Unfortunately our coach is ripping on him publicly.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 03, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Unfortunately our coach is ripping on him publicly.
When, Where did that happen??
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 03, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Unfortunately our coach is ripping on him publicly.
Please provide link.
Quote from: MU82 on January 03, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
Please provide link.
Not sure if this was what the poster was referring, but here is the link to the post game show with Homer and Mac:
http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303/4127/27727/2650334/marquettebasketball_2016-01-02-210234-8006-0-0-0.64k.mp3?cdn_id=33&uuid=0ad835e7a353d33fd3a0cf3b2a7733d6&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fmilwaukee%2F
in summation of this topic, this sounds like one of those, does this dress make my arse look bigger? actually, i feel this article is quite unfair. if i were luke, i would be pissed. to make him a scapegoat after 14 games is desperation at least. in all actuality, i think he's been a sort of unsung cog playing in the shadow of henry, whom many seem to think he can do no wrong. hell, just last year at this time, people were naming their first, second and third born over his arrival and play.
if anything luke, hang this one on your fridge like a fatty hangs their new years resolution pic up, look back and give the "fair weather" fans the finger
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 04, 2016, 05:17:17 AM
Not sure if this was what the poster was referring, but here is the link to the post game show with Homer and Mac:
http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303/4127/27727/2650334/marquettebasketball_2016-01-02-210234-8006-0-0-0.64k.mp3?cdn_id=33&uuid=0ad835e7a353d33fd3a0cf3b2a7733d6&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fmilwaukee%2F
Wojo is pissed at how we don't finish strong at the basket. Specifically talks about Luke and Henry but I think you can throw Hanif, Duane and JJJ in to the mix of guys who take it to the hoop and come away with nothing.
Maybe this has been mentioned previously in this thread but...Fischer needs to be more decisive. He needs to get the ball and make a move right away or kick it out and re-establish. Right now he looks like he's thinking too much. He gets the ball and 2-3 seconds pass before anything happens. That allows his defender to get in good position, perimeter defenders to get in good position to help and Luke is standing there flat-footed with the ball. He needs to get back to having a sense of urgency in the post.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 03, 2016, 06:21:59 AM
stole my thoughts plus, when Henry is a little down, he feels the need to try to carry the team and then actually hurts us by forcing shots. it's like, well, i haven't scored much here, and he lowers his head and makes it clear that he is going to shoot regardless. he hasn't played up against near the top talent of the league yet and his "freshman" is showing-that's ok.
That was a problem at Iowa too. Nothing was working and Henry tried to do too much on his own. Iowa keyed on him because he's the only guaranteed double double weapon we can count on at this point.
I like Henry a lot. But like most freshmen, he's quickly realized the Big East is not the WIAA and the talent level is far more consistent at the Big East than he ever saw in Rice Lake. I think he's going to be great, however long he stays. But he's adjusting. Henry will have the same problem someday when he moves from the Big East to the NBA.
Luke should be much more dominant than he is, particularly on defense. I'm not sure why he's not the force that Chris or Davante were. But, he too will learn.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 04, 2016, 09:19:33 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned previously in this thread but...Fischer needs to be more decisive. He needs to get the ball and make a move right away or kick it out and re-establish. Right now he looks like he's thinking too much. He gets the ball and 2-3 seconds pass before anything happens. That allows his defender to get in good position, perimeter defenders to get in good position to help and Luke is standing there flat-footed with the ball. He needs to get back to having a sense of urgency in the post.
Agree. He also needs to understand that he does not HAVE to shoot when he gets the ball down low if he can't get a good shot. (He also perhaps needs to gain a better understanding of what a good shot is). He should work hard on making that baby hook of his from a little further out. When he takes it outside a couple feet, he consistently leaves it short. He is a solid rebounder and a good positional defender. He is not terribly strong or terribly athletic, which was certainly a problem against Georgetown. There's a lot to like in his game. Just has a few areas to work on, like everybody on our roster.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 04, 2016, 09:27:12 AM
He is not terribly strong or terribly athletic, which was certainly a problem against Georgetown. There's a lot to like in his game. Just has a few areas to work on, like everybody on our roster.
I have to think that the shoulder surgery is showing here. He missed the most important time for a big -- so while he matured, I don't think his skill and strength matured at the level needed to perform as 'the man' yet.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 04, 2016, 09:26:11 AM
Luke should be much more dominant than he is, particularly on defense. I'm not sure why he's not the force that Chris or Davante were. But, he too will learn.
For starters, he's 30-40 pounds lighter than Otule and Gardner. I'm also not sure that anyone ever considered Otule to be "a force."
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2016, 09:10:36 AM
Wojo is pissed at how we don't finish strong at the basket. Specifically talks about Luke and Henry but I think you can throw Hanif, Duane and JJJ in to the mix of guys who take it to the hoop and come away with nothing.
To me this is the problem. All Wojo wants to do is have the players take it to the basket. MU will finish 0-18 in conference, if Wojo does not wake up.
Quote from: bilsu on January 04, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
To me this is the problem. All Wojo wants to do is have the players take it to the basket. MU will finish 0-18 in conference, if Wojo does not wake up.
I'm sure the strategy is that simple. ::)
They run a very similar offense that my dad's team does. That 4 out, short corners with the weave. They do that out of necessity because they don't have anybody that resembles a true big.
I know Wojo is a much better coach than I am but I don't think that's the right offense for the personel. Would like to see more pick and roll/pick and pop with henry and Luke. Looked how well it worked when Luke dove to the basket the 2 times where he got the dunk.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 04, 2016, 10:04:58 AM
I have to think that the shoulder surgery is showing here. He missed the most important time for a big -- so while he matured, I don't think his skill and strength matured at the level needed to perform as 'the man' yet.
I'm not sure how much more muscle he can put on that frame.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 04, 2016, 12:56:02 PM
I'm not sure how much more muscle he can put on that frame.
Yep. He's not exactly a wide body in the post. He's basically as big as he's going to get.
Quote from: bilsu on January 04, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
To me this is the problem. All Wojo wants to do is have the players take it to the basket. MU will finish 0-18 in conference, if Wojo does not wake up.
Excellent point.