I just want to wish the best of luck to Matt, Juan and Derrick tonight in the NBA draft. Here's hoping one of their names gets called.
Go Warriors
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Back end of the lottery???
I gave up on predicting who will make the NBA when Dwight Buycks signed a contract.
The only thing I know for certain is that Bucky players don't do well in the NBA -- thus I would avoid Kaminsky and Decker in the first round.
I have a substantial wager with Ners on whether DJ Newbill's name is called tonight. I said no.
Dekker's got NBA game, Frank has a lot of fanbases worried.
If Kaminsky was a Euro from Slovenia/Latvia he'd be a top 10 pick for sure.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 25, 2015, 11:25:58 AM
If Kaminsky was a Euro from Slovenia/Latvia he'd be a top 10 pick for sure.
and 4 years younger.
but he will be a top 10 pick anyways.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 25, 2015, 11:55:21 AM
and 4 years younger.
but he will be a top 10 pick anyways.
Far more likely that Dekker goes top 10
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 11:58:15 AM
Far more likely that Dekker goes top 10
no chance in hell. kaminsky is rumored to be going as high as 4. dekker is rumored to be dropping to the high 20s.
I think Newbill gets drafted. Not sure about the 2 Bucky guys. I hope the Bucks don't get either tho. White americans have not been good.
Carlino 1% chance to be drafted
Anderson 0.0001% chance to be drafted
Derrick -100000% chance to be drafted
Quote from: Bradley Brew on June 25, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
I just want to wish the best of luck to Matt, Juan and Derrick tonight in the NBA draft. Here's hoping one of their names gets called.
Go Warriors
Don't bet the mortgage, dude, hey?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
I have a substantial wager with Ners on whether DJ Newbill's name is called tonight. I said no.
Smart wager LennyMan. I thought Newbill had a very nice college career and I hope he got a degree. That's a nice head start in life, hey?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 11:58:15 AM
Far more likely that Dekker goes top 10
Disagree. Frank will almost certainly be in the lottery. And if you think about Dekker I ask you to consider the relative impact that McDermott had on the Bulls this past year. I really don't see it for Sam and I'm trying to consider this objectively.
McDermott is a much better shooter and can't defend.
Dekker is 100X more athletic and can finish at the rim. The faster NBA game will suit him. He can't defend (but seems willing unlike McD) either but they aren't any thing alike except for white.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 12:24:19 PM
Smart wager LennyMan. I thought Newbill had a very nice college career and I hope he got a degree. That's a nice head start in life, hey?
Amen. Doc. Should make some decent dough overseas before he has to put his nose to the real life grindstone, though.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 12:24:19 PM
Smart wager LennyMan. I thought Newbill had a very nice college career and I hope he got a degree. That's a nice head start in life, hey?
What u hearing about Kevon? Available @ 16 for the Deer?
Quote from: reinko on June 25, 2015, 01:02:55 PM
What u hearing about Kevon? Available @ 16 for the Deer?
what are the bucks giving the celtics to jump them?
Luke Ridnour has now been traded 3 times this week :D
Quote from: reinko on June 25, 2015, 01:02:55 PM
What u hearing about Kevon? Available @ 16 for the Deer?
No team has made him a "promise" on selection, so I really don't know. Had 15 workouts and he was pleased with all of them 'cept for ATL. I'm thinkin' Kevon goes anywhere from#14-#23. Who knows? It's a crapshoot, ai na?
My own thought is the Bucks will move up and target Payne or Mudiay. MCW pretty much proved he sucks ass, hey?
Best NBA player from this draft: Justise Winslow
Who cares-The NBA is fixed. Run by the Mafia.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 25, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Who cares-The NBA is fixed. Run by the Mafia.
I love Earl, though sometimes I don't know if he's a real dude or Scoop's version of the Onion.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 25, 2015, 01:26:09 PM
Best NBA player from this draft: Justise Winslow
(http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/thumbsupcomputerkid.gif)
Who was the guy on this board who kept going on about some guy from Texas, constantly referring to him as "Big Chris NBA"?
Maybe "Big Chris Overseas" would've beenn more apropos.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 01:24:37 PM
No team has made him a "promise" on selection, so I really don't know. Had 15 workouts and he was pleased with all of them 'cept for ATL. I'm thinkin' Kevon goes anywhere from#14-#23. Who knows? It's a crapshoot, ai na?
My own thought is the Bucks will move up and target Payne or Mudiay. MCW pretty much proved he sucks ass, hey?
Mudiay is a stud athlete, but watching him shoot makes MCW look like Ray Allen.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
I have a substantial wager with Ners on whether DJ Newbill's name is called tonight. I said no.
What? You didn't play high school basketball?
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 25, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
no chance in hell. kaminsky is rumored to be going as high as 4. dekker is rumored to be dropping to the high 20s.
Kaminsky was never rumored to go 4 lol. It was rumored the knicks may want him and trade back. Not take him at 4 lmao
But he did go first even though everyone thought it was a bad pick
Any y'all still wonderin' why anyone would wanna play for that scumbag, Calipari, hey?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 07:54:31 PM
Kaminsky was never rumored to go 4 lol. It was rumored the knicks may want him and trade back. Not take him at 4 lmao
But he did go first even though everyone thought it was a bad pick
lmao. he was rumored as high as 4. lmao.
but hey, good call on dekker top 10. lol
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 08:09:46 PM
Any y'all still wonderin' why anyone would wanna play for that scumbag, Calipari, hey?
Pretty sure these guys would have been drafted about where they were drafted regardless of where they went to school.
Tokoto would have been picked by now if he had attended MU.
I like Andrew Harrison as a steal pick. Would love him with the Wolves in early second round.
(http://i.imgur.com/J3cSYcY.jpg)
And people give me chit 'bout Willie Wampum, hey?
Suicidal Charlotte fans after that Kaminski pick:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3b4z27/2015_draft_9_pick_frank_kaminsky_wisconsin
Wasn't Looney supposed to be a lottery pick?
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 25, 2015, 08:10:38 PM
lmao. he was rumored as high as 4. lmao.
but hey, good call on dekker top 10. lol
No he wasn't. Never ever was rumored to be taken 4th.
Not once. Show 1 link
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 08:54:45 PM
No he wasn't. Never ever was rumored to be taken 4th.
Not once. Show 1 link
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8845507/frank-kaminsky-rumors-nba-draft-knicks-kings-hornets
that was easy "lmao"
need more?
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 25, 2015, 08:50:40 PM
Wasn't Looney supposed to be a lottery pick?
He has "dentist issues".
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 08:54:45 PM
No he wasn't. Never ever was rumored to be taken 4th.
Not once. Show 1 link
http://mobile.sportingnews.com/article/4647940-nba-draft-rumors-knicks-frank-kaminsky-wisconsin-dangelo-russell-emmanuel-mudiay
shall i continue?
but dekker top 10!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 25, 2015, 08:59:20 PM
He has "dentist issues".
Not sure what dentists issues is a reference too but heard he has both asthma and hip problems.
Looney would have been better served going somewhere else than UCLA. He wasn't able to showcase his likely NBA position. Hell Wisconsin may have been a better choice.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 01:24:37 PM
No team has made him a "promise" on selection, so I really don't know. Had 15 workouts and he was pleased with all of them 'cept for ATL. I'm thinkin' Kevon goes anywhere from#14-#23. Who knows? It's a crapshoot, ai na?
My own thought is the Bucks will move up and target Payne or Mudiay. MCW pretty much proved he sucks ass, hey?
Uhhhh oh.
Quote from: Jables1604 on June 25, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Who was the guy on this board who kept going on about some guy from Texas, constantly referring to him as "Big Chris NBA"?
Maybe "Big Chris Overseas" would've beenn more apropos.
Well done.
Your very own JB:
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 25, 2015, 08:31:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/J3cSYcY.jpg)
Woj just tweeted that Looney will go to Golden State. Not sure of the fit but we will see. Value pick.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 25, 2015, 08:59:05 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8845507/frank-kaminsky-rumors-nba-draft-knicks-kings-hornets
that was easy "lmao"
need more?
"Knicks would like to trade down in order to take Kaminsky"
God dude, maybe try reading it first?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 07:54:31 PM
Kaminsky was never rumored to go 4 lol. It was rumored the knicks may want him and trade back. Not take him at 4 lmao
But he did go first even though everyone thought it was a bad pick
The next time Michael Jordan makes a good draft pick will be the first time he makes a good draft pick.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 09:54:23 PM
"Knicks would like to trade down in order to take Kaminsky"
God dude, maybe try reading it first?
hey little boy, try continue reading the whole article. the VERY NEXT SENTENCE..."Now it appears they would have to select him with the fourth pick to secure his services, because the Kings, which own the sixth pick, are also interested."
do you want to keep embarrassing yourself or...?
also look into the 2nd article i provided you with. do you want any other articles?
Quote from: Jables1604 on June 25, 2015, 03:48:01 PM
Who was the guy on this board who kept going on about some guy from Texas, constantly referring to him as "Big Chris NBA"?
Maybe "Big Chris Overseas" would've beenn more apropos.
He's not eligible to be selected, dipsh1t.
Recognize BIG CHRIS NBA STATUS bruh
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on June 25, 2015, 09:31:20 PM
Not sure what dentists issues is a reference too but heard he has both asthma and hip problems.
His asthma and hip problems are nothing compared with the savagery he endured at the hands of a hometown dentist
Any y'all know if any other #30 picks in the draft ever amounted to more than chit?
Hey nice to see Hilliard get drafted. Didn't expect that.
#30=first round selection=guaranteed 3 year contract=Never Broke Again
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
#30=first round selection=guaranteed 3 year contract=Never Broke Again
He landed in a great situation. No pressure right away to contribute, so can hone his perimeter skills. He can play 2-4 which fits perfectly into what GSW runs.
Falling to the end of the first could be a blessing in disguise.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 25, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
hey little boy, try continue reading the whole article. the VERY NEXT SENTENCE..."Now it appears they would have to select him with the fourth pick to secure his services, because the Kings, which own the sixth pick, are also interested."
do you want to keep embarrassing yourself or...?
also look into the 2nd article i provided you with. do you want any other articles?
God you are dumb. No wonder everyone piled on your stupid mateen cleaves post.
I quoted the second article lmao. Then you reply with a sentence from the first. And both say how the Knicks would trade back. AS WAS REPORTED ALL DAY.
Kaminsky was never going to go 4th, never ever, ever. EVER.
And news flash...6th isn't 4th. Not that he was going to go to the Kings anyways, they took Callie stein over him even lol. Another pick everyone trashed.
The TEAM picking 4th was interested, not for the 4th pick, have you watched any of the draft today?
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on June 25, 2015, 09:57:05 PM
The next time Michael Jordan makes a good draft pick will be the first time he makes a good draft pick.
I'm not really a Hornets fan, but I do live in NC now and I'd rather them win than lose.
I was thrilled that Winslow actually dropped to their draft slot ...
And couldn't believe it when they passed on him to draft Kaminsky.
Effen amazing.
Did Vander get picked?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 25, 2015, 10:51:23 PM
God you are dumb. No wonder everyone piled on your stupid mateen cleaves post.
I quoted the second article lmao. Then you reply with a sentence from the first. And both say how the Knicks would trade back. AS WAS REPORTED ALL DAY.
Kaminsky was never going to go 4th, never ever, ever. EVER.
And news flash...6th isn't 4th. Not that he was going to go to the Kings anyways, they took Callie stein over him even lol. Another pick everyone trashed.
The TEAM picking 4th was interested, not for the 4th pick, have you watched any of the draft today?
you are really going to continue embarrassing yourself aren't you? so you quoted my post that had the first article, but you used a quote from my second post? that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
i said there were RUMORS of Kaminsky going as high as 4. just like there were RUMORS of christian wood being a first rounder. did i say he would go 4 overall? nope. you asked for one link where kaminsky was rumored to possibly go as high as 4. i provided 2. I'll ask again, do you want more? or have you had enough embarrassment? it says they were INTERESTED IN TRADING BACK but that they NOW HAVE COME TO CONSIDER HIM AT 4. it's a pretty simple concept.
here, since you clearly struggle with reading comprehension i'll quote the full paragraph and bold the exact sentence that says the knicks were looking at taking kaminsky AT FOUR (not trading back). from the article in the first post:
"
Frank Kaminsky won't last past the Hornets at ninth and could go as high as fourth to the Knicks, reports ESPN's Chad Ford.
that's the very first sentence of the entire article. "could go as high as fourth to the knicks." note: fourth to the knicks. NOT "could go to the knicks if they trade down."
from the article in the second post:
"That's why one of the topics of discussion at the Knicks meeting was bucking conventional wisdom, passing on guards D'Angelo Russell and/or Emmanuel Mudiay and taking Kaminsky — whose versatility makes him a natural fit in the triangle offense — with the fourth overall pick, two league sources told Sporting News. If they do pass on the two guards expected to be on the board, the Knicks are also considering Willie Cauley-Stein and Justise WInslow with the No. 4 pick, though Cauley-Stein appears to be slipping."
in case you're struggling to read agin, it specifically said they had a meeting about selecting kaminsky specifically with the fourth pick.
so again, you asked for one link. there are 2. do you want more? or does 2 provide enough for your request for 1? do you want to continue to be embarrassed?
but hey, dekker almost snuck into that top 10 and into a better draft spot than kaminsky like you said he would! LMAO!
now would be a good time to go to bed. it's past your bedtime and going into hiding for a little while might do you some good. you couldn't be proven any more wrong, yet you continue to dig your own grave deeper and deeper.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
Any y'all know if any other #30 picks in the draft ever amounted to more than chit?
I can think of one fairly recent #30 pick that's doing pretty well for himself.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 25, 2015, 11:53:08 PM
you are really going to continue embarrassing yourself aren't you? so you quoted my post that had the first article, but you used a quote from my second post? that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
i said there were RUMORS of Kaminsky going as high as 4. just like there were RUMORS of christian wood being a first rounder. did i say he would go 4 overall? nope. you asked for one link where kaminsky was rumored to possibly go as high as 4. i provided 2. I'll ask again, do you want more? or have you had enough embarrassment? it says they were INTERESTED IN TRADING BACK but that they NOW HAVE COME TO CONSIDER HIM AT 4. it's a pretty simple concept.
here, since you clearly struggle with reading comprehension i'll quote the full paragraph and bold the exact sentence that says the knicks were looking at taking kaminsky AT FOUR (not trading back). from the article in the first post:
"Frank Kaminsky won't last past the Hornets at ninth and could go as high as fourth to the Knicks, reports ESPN's Chad Ford.
that's the very first sentence of the entire article. "could go as high as fourth to the knicks." note: fourth to the knicks. NOT "could go to the knicks if they trade down."
from the article in the second post:
"That's why one of the topics of discussion at the Knicks meeting was bucking conventional wisdom, passing on guards D'Angelo Russell and/or Emmanuel Mudiay and taking Kaminsky — whose versatility makes him a natural fit in the triangle offense — with the fourth overall pick, two league sources told Sporting News. If they do pass on the two guards expected to be on the board, the Knicks are also considering Willie Cauley-Stein and Justise WInslow with the No. 4 pick, though Cauley-Stein appears to be slipping."
in case you're struggling to read agin, it specifically said they had a meeting about selecting kaminsky specifically with the fourth pick.
so again, you asked for one link. there are 2. do you want more? or does 2 provide enough for your request for 1? do you want to continue to be embarrassed?
but hey, dekker almost snuck into that top 10 and into a better draft spot than kaminsky like you said he would! LMAO!
now would be a good time to go to bed. it's past your bedtime and going into hiding for a little while might do you some good. you couldn't be proven any more wrong, yet you continue to dig your own grave deeper and deeper.
You just don't get it. As the other quotes have show.they were only going to do it if they could trade back. He was never going 4th. It's really that fucking simple. It was reported all day. Said on the draft show and then said again when every trashed the hornets pick which was at least semi reasonable.
Each of those articles still mentions the simple fact, the Knicks interest stemmed from trading down
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on June 26, 2015, 12:29:08 AM
You just don't get it. As the other quotes have show.they were only going to do it if they could trade back. He was never going 4th. It's really that unnatural carnal knowledgeing simple. It was reported all day. Said on the draft show and then said again when every trashed the hornets pick which was at least semi reasonable.
Each of those articles still mentions the simple fact, the Knicks interest stemmed from trading down
So...you asked for articles that prove his point, he provides them, and your response is to dismiss them and claim he doesn't get it.
You were right, Knicks didn't take him at 4th. But you were wrong about there not being rumors about the Knicks taking him at 4th. Both Chad Ford and Sporting News said exactly that. They may have been crazy rumors but they did exist and they came from legitimate respected sources. Just man up and admit you were wrong, but enjoy the fact that you knew enough to know that the Frank wouldn't go that high.
But bad call on Dekker. I didn't see any mock drafts where Dekker was above Kaminsky. I'm sure there were one or two but everyone knew Kaminsky was going in the top 10 and Dekker was more 15-25 material.
NBA Draft 2015: Notable Big East players go undrafted
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/6/26/8849731/nba-draft-2015-undrafted-big-east-henton-pinkston-stainbrook-trawick-harrison
There were, unfortunately, a number of Big East players who went undrafted on Thursday night.
The 2015 NBA Draft didn't play too kindly to a conference that had a streak of 16 consecutive NBA Drafts in which a player from the league was taken in the lottery, and a league that had also never gone its entire history without producing a 1st round pick.
Thus, the road continues on for the following notable players:
Kameron Woods (Butler Bulldogs)
Jabril Trawick (Georgetown Hoyas)
Joshua Smith (Georgetown Hoyas)
Matt Carlino (Marquette Golden Eagles)
LaDontae Henton (Providence Friars
D'Angelo Harrison (St. John's Red Storm)
Phil Greene IV (St. John's Red Storm)
JayVaughn Pinkston (Villanova Wildcats)
Dee Davis (Xavier Musketeers)
Matt Stainbrook (Xavier Musketeers)
Villanova's Darrun Hilliard and the St. John's Red Storm's Sir'Dominic Pointer were the lone Big East selections, with Hilliard going 38th overall to the Detroit Pistons, while Pointer was picked with the 53rd overall pick by the NBA's Eastern Conference Champions, the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Best of luck to these guys in whatever comes next for them.
Cliff Alexander goes from top-five recruit to undrafted in one year
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/cliff-alexander-goes-from-top-five-recruit-to-undrafted-in-one-year-061802287.html
In the first 11 NBA drafts since Rivals.com began ranking high school basketball prospects, ex-Tennessee wing Scotty Hopson had been the only top-five recruit to go unselected.
Hopson finally has company on that not-so-illustrious list.
Sixty prospects heard their names called during Thursday night's NBA draft, however, former Kansas big man Cliff Alexander wasn't one of them. The consensus top-five recruit ranked ahead of Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell only a year ago will now have to try to latch on with an NBA franchise as an undrafted free agent and win a roster spot in training camp.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
#30=first round selection=guaranteed 3 year contract=Never Broke Again
Yup.
Guys who sign NBA contracts never go broke.
Except for the 60 percent of them do within five years of leaving the game.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-04-22/Pro-athletes-and-financial-trouble/54465664/1
Bottom line, your guy probably should have stayed in school. Yeah, he got drafted, and yeah, he's getting a guaranteed deal. But his impatience cost him a lot of money.
2015 #30 pick contract = $2.95 million
2016 #20 pick contract = $4.07 million
As for landing in a great situation, meh. Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes are going nowhere fast. Barring injury or a huge reversal of form, Looney is destined for 10-15 minutes per game at best over the next four years.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
I have a substantial wager with Ners on whether DJ Newbill's name is called tonight. I said no.
You gonna be able to collect on this?
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 26, 2015, 05:54:32 AM
NBA Draft 2015: Notable Big East players go undrafted
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/6/26/8849731/nba-draft-2015-undrafted-big-east-henton-pinkston-stainbrook-trawick-harrison
There were, unfortunately, a number of Big East players who went undrafted on Thursday night.
The 2015 NBA Draft didn't play too kindly to a conference that had a streak of 16 consecutive NBA Drafts in which a player from the league was taken in the lottery, and a league that had also never gone its entire history without producing a 1st round pick.
Thus, the road continues on for the following notable players:
Kameron Woods (Butler Bulldogs)
Jabril Trawick (Georgetown Hoyas)
Joshua Smith (Georgetown Hoyas)
Matt Carlino (Marquette Golden Eagles)
LaDontae Henton (Providence Friars
D'Angelo Harrison (St. John's Red Storm)
Phil Greene IV (St. John's Red Storm)
JayVaughn Pinkston (Villanova Wildcats)
Dee Davis (Xavier Musketeers)
Matt Stainbrook (Xavier Musketeers)
Villanova's Darrun Hilliard and the St. John's Red Storm's Sir'Dominic Pointer were the lone Big East selections, with Hilliard going 38th overall to the Detroit Pistons, while Pointer was picked with the 53rd overall pick by the NBA's Eastern Conference Champions, the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Best of luck to these guys in whatever comes next for them.
It is not the same league. Add back Notre Dame and Louisviille and the league would of had 3 or 4 first rounders.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 26, 2015, 07:27:30 AM
Yup.
Guys who sign NBA contracts never go broke.
Except for the 60 percent of them do within five years of leaving the game.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-04-22/Pro-athletes-and-financial-trouble/54465664/1
Bottom line, your guy probably should have stayed in school. Yeah, he got drafted, and yeah, he's getting a guaranteed deal. But his impatience cost him a lot of money.
2015 #30 pick contract = $2.95 million
2016 #20 pick contract = $4.07 million
As for landing in a great situation, meh. Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes are going nowhere fast. Barring injury or a huge reversal of form, Looney is destined for 10-15 minutes per game at best over the next four years.
huh? how about this one:
2015 #30 pick in 2015: $2.95M
2016 #20 pick in 2015: $0.00
by next year his salary will be close to what the #20 pick in next year's draft will make, and he will be a year closer to a fa contract.
and that situation is exactly what looney (at least should have) hoped for. he's not a polished, finished product. he's not ready to be a huge contributor in the league. so have absolutely 0 pressure on him, learn from a guy whose role is identical to what looney's will be (green), and possibly win a ring or 2 in the process. perfect situation.
Quote from: bilsu on June 26, 2015, 07:42:43 AM
It is not the same league. Add back Notre Dame and Louisviille and the league would of had 3 or 4 first rounders.
Ellenson will get the league back into the first round, and possibly a lottery pick.
Do the name Cliff Alexander ring a bell, hey?
BTW, I'll see your hundred, and raise you 5 hundred, ai na?
Quote from: keefe on June 25, 2015, 10:17:57 PM
His asthma and hip problems are nothing compared with the savagery he endured at the hands of a hometown dentist
Yeah, what was going on? Was he wearing braces or are his teeth really grey?
Guard's game.....from one of the teams that has always had a dominant center.
And the outfit.....
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/basketball/nba/img25225520.jpg)
WTF happened? Russel gets drafted at 2 and the elite game changer does not even get a sniff? If a guy is an elite game changer and a great defensive stopper, WTF happened here? After all, the NBA is going small and he was a great rebounder for a PG. Obviously, the NBA staffs know nothing! Start a hash tag: Sign Derrick as a Free Agent.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 08:50:14 AM
Guard's game.....from one of the teams that has always had a dominant center.
Guard's game .... 7 of top 12 picks are 6'10" or taller.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
Any y'all know if any other #30 picks in the draft ever amounted to more than chit?
David Lee definitely. Off the top of my head besides Butler I don't know many more than that.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 26, 2015, 09:08:26 AM
Guard's game .... 7 of top 12 picks are 6'10" or taller.
And most of them will bust out compared to the guards.....want to wager? Donation to Alzheimer's Association of America or American Juvenile Diabetes Association if I win. Charity of your choice if you win.
Let's set up the parameters.
As a reminder, it's those wonderful GMs that also thought people like Zeller were lottery worthy. LOL. They fall in love with size, not talent. The game is a guards game now, the rules keep making it more of a guards game.
The NBA is a perimeter game. Whether you want to label them guards, small forwards, or wings, the most successful NBA teams have talent on the perimeter.
"Drafting big men" is to the NBA what "corner OFs must hit for power" is to MLB.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 25, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
Any y'all know if any other #30 picks in the draft ever amounted to more than chit?
Lazar Hayward amounted to the kid from Sixth Sense.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 26, 2015, 08:56:06 AM
WTF happened? Russel gets drafted at 2 and the elite game changer does not even get a sniff? If a guy is an elite game changer and a great defensive stopper, WTF happened here? After all, the NBA is going small and he was a great rebounder for a PG. Obviously, the NBA staffs know nothing! Start a hash tag: Sign Derrick as a Free Agent.
Still a sad and lonely man I see
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 26, 2015, 09:48:25 AM
Still a sad and lonely man I see
Dude give the guy a break. It might be the last time he can trot out that line.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 09:15:33 AM
As a reminder, it's those wonderful GMs that also thought people like Zeller were lottery worthy. LOL. They fall in love with size, not talent.
After that town you're moving to in Idaho gets a library, a movie theatre and a McDonalds maybe they'll get an NBA franchise. You can be their GM. Since you're so much smarter than the guys now running things it shouldn't take you long to win a championship. They'll come all the way from Boise to watch your team of 6' 4" and under guard crush the opposition. The Idaho Traditionals - I like it. Much more in sync with local culture and attitudes than the Utah Jazz, no?
Quote from: JuniorCardigan on June 26, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
David Lee definitely. Off the top of my head besides Butler I don't know many more than that.
19.6 Gilbert Arenas
19.2 David Lee
18.8 Gheorghe Muresan
17.1 Jimmy Butler
15.9 Anderson Varejao
Those are the top five #30 picks for career PER
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 09:15:33 AM
And most of them will bust out compared to the guards.....want to wager? Donation to Alzheimer's Association of America or American Juvenile Diabetes Association if I win. Charity of your choice if you win.
Let's set up the parameters.
As a reminder, it's those wonderful GMs that also thought people like Zeller were lottery worthy. LOL. They fall in love with size, not talent. The game is a guards game now, the rules keep making it more of a guards game.
Yes, what would the parameters be? It would be interesting to rate the lottery picks by PER relative to draft position five years from now. It's certainly possible that Russell and Mudiay (the only true "guards" in the group) would top the list but I wouldn't be so sure.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 09:15:33 AM
And most of them will bust out compared to the guards.....want to wager? Donation to Alzheimer's Association of America or American Juvenile Diabetes Association if I win. Charity of your choice if you win.
Let's set up the parameters.
As a reminder, it's those wonderful GMs that also thought people like Zeller were lottery worthy. LOL. They fall in love with size, not talent. The game is a guards game now, the rules keep making it more of a guards game.
huh? you mean the guy who averaged 8 and 6 as a 2nd year player last year for the hornets? i'm going to go ahead and say he's played like one of the 13 best players from that draft class. very few players in that class have done even close to those numbers.
or do you mean the guy who averaged 10 and 6 in his 3rd year last year for the celtics? i'm assuming not him because he wasn't a lottery pick, but if you did, again, i'd say most teams in the 2012 lottery would be happy with that production from their draft pick for that year. out of the 1st round picks, he's definitely one of the top 13 so far in that class.
so i think you got that example wrong. just because crean couldn't figure out how to win with 2 top draft picks doesn't mean nba coaches can't.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 26, 2015, 09:50:07 AM
Dude give the guy a break. It might be the last time he can trot out that line.
But wait....it was Tamu's and Sultan's Butt Boy's line. Cannot you see the brilliance of Buzz anymore?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 26, 2015, 10:06:31 AM
But wait....it was Tamu's and Sultan's Butt Boy's line. Cannot you see the brilliance of Buzz anymore?
Hey as of today, I can actually *marry* Buzz if we want to!!!
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 26, 2015, 10:03:42 AM
huh? you mean the guy who averaged 8 and 6 as a 2nd year player last year for the hornets? i'm going to go ahead and say he's played like one of the 13 best players from that draft class. very few players in that class have done even close to those numbers.
or do you mean the guy who averaged 10 and 6 in his 3rd year last year for the celtics? i'm assuming not him because he wasn't a lottery pick, but if you did, again, i'd say most teams in the 2012 lottery would be happy with that production from their draft pick for that year. out of the 1st round picks, he's definitely one of the top 13 so far in that class.
so i think you got that example wrong. just because crean couldn't figure out how to win with 2 top draft picks doesn't mean nba coaches can't.
Cody is 7th in win share for that class, or 9th in win share per 48.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.html
Quote from: rmi210 on June 26, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
Cody is 7th in win share for that class, or 9th in win share per 48.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.html
Top 7 guys in win share from that class are all bigs? Must be a misprint. Where are the guards? Don't the numbers know it's a guard's game?
Quote from: frozena pizza on June 26, 2015, 10:01:46 AM
Yes, what would the parameters be? It would be interesting to rate the lottery picks by PER relative to draft position five years from now. It's certainly possible that Russell and Mudiay (the only true "guards" in the group) would top the list but I wouldn't be so sure.
fivethirtyeight did a projection similar to this - they developed a model which "uses a player's college numbers, demographic data such as height and weight, and his draftboard ranking" to calculate the probability that a player would fall into the categories of star, starter, role player, or bust over years 2-5 of their NBA career. (Full Article: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/projecting-the-top-50-players-in-the-2015-nba-draft-class/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/projecting-the-top-50-players-in-the-2015-nba-draft-class/)).
Their model gives Russel the highest probability of being a star (15.2%) of anyone in the draft class, but also a relatively high change of being a bust (40.9%), which knocks his overall rank to #5. Justise Winslow, on the other hand, projects as only 8.4% likely to be a star, but has the highest probability of being a starter level player (51.1%). He ended up ranked #2 overall. This seems unsurprising since multi-tool, big wings are the hot commodity in the NBA today - moreso than "guards" in the traditional sense. Note, Mudiay and international players were not considered since they did not have college stats.
It will be interesting to see how well this projection compares to actual results.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 26, 2015, 09:45:50 AM
Lazar Hayward amounted to the kid from Sixth Sense.
What ever happened to him? Is he on some vision quest right now?
Quote from: rmi210 on June 26, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
Cody is 7th in win share for that class, or 9th in win share per 48.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.html
Zeller is actually a solid player, who I think still has some physical maturing ahead of him. He still looks like a college kid. I don't agree with the Frank K pick, but Zeller was a good choice by Charlotte.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 26, 2015, 09:35:11 AM
The NBA is a perimeter game. Whether you want to label them guards, small forwards, or wings, the most successful NBA teams have talent on the perimeter.
"Drafting big men" is to the NBA what "corner OFs must hit for power" is to MLB.
Agree. The rules have changed so much that the emphasis is on the perimeter. Talented PG, guys that can shoot the 3, or penetrate with the option to dish or shoot. The anchoring big men in the middle has become less and less common, and the rules haven't helped their cause.
Some gems from JSComments:
Looney had chance to develop and give his skills under Bo Ryan but went to Hollywood and fell down draft boards. Lazy and unwilling to work
Doesn't sound like the Bucks will move up and go after Frank. Pretty disappointing
The Bucks are a disgrace. Hometown hero Sam Dekker and they select some jabroni. Enjoy Seattle
the bucks can go to hell. Could of had Decker and picked this loser. Screw the new arena let them move will not support this crap
Today is the day the Milwaukee Bucks franchise made it clear they do not want to stay in Milwaukee
bucks wont even draft decker the best player available in the draft.Screw them no new arena let them move.
Quote from: rmi210 on June 26, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
Cody is 7th in win share for that class, or 9th in win share per 48.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.html
If I recall, drafted 4th.....and you're saying he is coming in 7th or 9th thus far. As stated then and stated now, taken way too highly, but also by one of the worst GMs the sport has ever known. Not surprising.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
If I recall, drafted 4th.....and you're saying he is coming in 7th or 9th thus far. As stated then and stated now, taken way too highly, but also by one of the worst GMs the sport has ever known. Not surprising.
lol. you went from "lol'ing" at gm's who "thought he was a lottery pick" to changing your opinion to "he dropped 3 spots! way too high!" once it was proven he WAS worth a lottery pick.
so what you're saying is gm's damn well better not take a middle of the lottery pick player just 3 spots too high. guess every gm better nail his pick in the exact order that the players produce on the court! but it's alright if a guy like coach crean can take 2 of the top 10 players in college basketball and produce a s16 as the best he's done at iiii!
hilarious man.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
If I recall, drafted 4th.....and you're saying he is coming in 7th or 9th thus far. As stated then and stated now, taken way too highly, but also by one of the worst GMs the sport has ever known. Not surprising.
Of the top 11 picks Zeller was #1 in win shares. Saying he was taken "way too highly" is absurd. The other 10 guys in the top 11 (especially Bennett), maybe. Not Zeller.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 26, 2015, 11:24:33 AM
lol. you went from "lol'ing" at gm's who "thought he was a lottery pick" to changing your opinion to "he dropped 3 spots! way too high!" once it was proven he WAS worth a lottery pick.
so what you're saying is gm's damn well better not take a middle of the lottery pick player just 3 spots too high. guess every gm better nail his pick in the exact order that the players produce on the court! but it's alright if a guy like coach crean can take 2 of the top 10 players in college basketball and produce a s16 as the best he's done at iiii!
hilarious man.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised any longer at his goalpost shifting...
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on June 26, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
Some gems from JSComments:
Looney had chance to develop and give his skills under Bo Ryan but went to Hollywood and fell down draft boards. Lazy and unwilling to work
Doesn't sound like the Bucks will move up and go after Frank. Pretty disappointing
The Bucks are a disgrace. Hometown hero Sam Dekker and they select some jabroni. Enjoy Seattle
the bucks can go to hell. Could of had Decker and picked this loser. Screw the new arena let them move will not support this crap
Today is the day the Milwaukee Bucks franchise made it clear they do not want to stay in Milwaukee
bucks wont even draft decker the best player available in the draft.Screw them no new arena let them move.
Do Badger fans understand the concept of a depth chart? Absolutely no need for Dekker on the Bucks. I wouldn't have picked Vaughn personally, I was hoping for Bobby Portis. But he fell pretty far, someone seemed to know something about him.
My biggest point of confusion from last night, why do the Sixers, who have Embiid and Noel, draft what seemed like 15 bigs and only 1 wing. What are they going to do with all those post players? I get that Okafor was the best available, makes sense. But all the other bigs they picked?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 26, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
My biggest point of confusion from last night, why do the Sixers, who have Embiid and Noel, draft what seemed like 15 bigs and only 1 wing. What are they going to do with all those post players? I get that Okafor was the best available, makes sense. But all the other bigs they picked?
Possibly trade fodder? They might do a lineup with Noel at 4 and Okafor at the 5, I think Embiid could be out for a longer period of time.
So I'm guessing some sort of trade. I was expecting them to trade down if Okafor fell to them.
Somebody in this thread needs another adjustment on their meds.
Quote from: JuniorCardigan on June 26, 2015, 12:22:14 PM
Possibly trade fodder? They might do a lineup with Noel at 4 and Okafor at the 5, I think Embiid could be out for a longer period of time.
So I'm guessing some sort of trade. I was expecting them to trade down if Okafor fell to them.
He has been out for more than a year and now needs more surgery. I think it's fair to ask if he will ever play an NBA game. And if he does, is he a shadow of his former self?
Maybe Hinkie knew Embiid was a wasted pick which is why he took Okafor.
Sixers GM Sam Hinkie doesn't rule out another surgery for Joel Embiidupdated June 26, 2015 at 3:13 PM
http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2015/06/sixers_gm_sam_hinkie_doesnt_rule_out_surgery_for_j.html
Fans holding out hope that Sixers forward Joel Embiid would be healthy enough to compete in summer league this year were dealt a harsh does of reality Friday morning by Sixers general manager Sam Hinkie.
"I don't see that happening," Hinkie said Friday when asked if the team had made any official decisions on the possibility of Embiid suiting up this summer. "That's not the kind of stuff we're having conversations about.
"I had a conversation about Joel at 9 a.m. this morning and one of those meetings was to talk to Carolina's medical team about what was the best day to get him there."
Perhaps even more worrisome about the prognosis of Embiid actually stepping on an NBA floor is the fact that a second surgery remains part of the conversation of what's next for the 7-foot center.
"No." Hinkie said when asked if surgery had been ruled out. "All options remain on the table."
Hinkie said that it was fair to say that Embiid had suffered a setback after the initial timetable for a full recovery was 5-8 months and a recent CT scan revealed that his navicular bone hadn't shown sufficiant healing.
"We watched Joel's rehab like a hawk every day for a year," Hinkie explained. "The nature of navicular bone healing is that you see slow improvements and then you slow it down. so you load it and then unload it in terms of a workload depending on the feedback you get.
"As part of that we had set a schedule of regular, proactive MRIs. As part of that we would look at each of those and send them out to a variety of doctors at each checkpoint and see what they would think. If we'd find enough of a consensus we would move onto the next phase.
"We did that at each step and we got to March ... In March, Joel got a CT scan that looked right on schedule. At that point he was nine-months post injury and all looked good. So we took the next step. He played wonderfully, was able to do more and more each day, including playing in our gym, shoot and run and all of those things.
"We had one more scan and that was the pre-summer league scan, and that one was different. It just looked different. He doesn't have any pain. It hasn't been bothering him. It's been many weeks without any symptoms but it looks different and that causes a surgeon to look at it and say 'that looks different, let's get to the bottom of this.'"
Embiid missed all of last season while recovering from a stress fracture in his foot and now over 12 months into the process, it appears the next step is to get the University of Kansas product in front of a medical team in Charlotte after already consulting a team of doctors in New York."It's a tricky bone," Hinkie explained. "It was healing on a steady upwards slope and curve. And then it doesn't seem to be healing as well, anymore."
Hinkie said Friday that a decision on what is next for Embiid will be made by the team sometime over the next couple of weeks about what will come next for the player chosen third overall in last year's draft.
"I think we're closing in on a decision there," Hinkie said. "We've been talking to a team of experts from around the country and quite frankly around the globe about what the best course of action is. We're not sure what that is."
Hinkie's assessment of Embiid certainly leaves a significant shadow of doubt over the possibility that he will see the court this season and raises concern about what the future holds for a player many view as a cornerstone for the franchise.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 26, 2015, 11:24:33 AM
lol. you went from "lol'ing" at gm's who "thought he was a lottery pick" to changing your opinion to "he dropped 3 spots! way too high!" once it was proven he WAS worth a lottery pick.
so what you're saying is gm's damn well better not take a middle of the lottery pick player just 3 spots too high. guess every gm better nail his pick in the exact order that the players produce on the court! but it's alright if a guy like coach crean can take 2 of the top 10 players in college basketball and produce a s16 as the best he's done at iiii!
hilarious man.
How many people make the lottery designation these days? 15 or whatever it is? My fault on saying he wasn't lottery, because he was and always has been. Guilty as charged. My apologies. My beef with this is he didn't belong in the top 5. Not then, not now. Way overreach by a horrible GM, which makes it not surprising.
The kid has talent and should get better when the only thing you do in life is play basketball. That's how it is supposed to work. Is he top 5 talent. No way.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 26, 2015, 05:47:33 PM
How many people make the lottery designation these days? 15 or whatever it is? My fault on saying he wasn't lottery, because he was and always has been. Guilty as charged. My apologies. My beef with this is he didn't belong in the top 5. Not then, not now. Way overreach by a horrible GM, which makes it not surprising.
The kid has talent and should get better when the only thing you do in life is play basketball. That's how it is supposed to work. Is he top 5 talent. No way.
So at the time of the draft you are saying these 5 are the only worthy of top five talent since these are the top 5 in Win Shares? Just looking for clarification?
Rudy Gobert
Mason Plumlee
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Gorgui Dieng
Steven Adams
Or are you just saying it was a bad draft, thus he was picked higher than he should have been historically at #4.?
Quote from: rmi210 on June 26, 2015, 08:53:48 PM
Or are you just saying it was a bad draft, thus he was picked higher than he should have been historically at #4.?
He's saying whatever he needs to in order that he doesn't admit he was wrong.
I'm not sure "win shares" is the greatest metric for judging a players worth.
Klay Thompson's career win share number is lower than Isaiah Thomas. Not Isiah Thomas, but Isaiah Thomas the backup point guard for the Celtics that was the 60th pick in 2011 vs. Klay Thompson's 11th spot. Not thinking the Warriors are asking for a do-over.
Marcus Smart was the top rookie in win shares last season. Was Smart at 7.8 ppg on 36% shooting a better player than Andrew Wiggins at 17ppg? Wiggins also was below Jordan Clarkson and Rodney Hood.
Quote from: rmi210 on June 26, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
So at the time of the draft you are saying these 5 are the only worthy of top five talent since these are the top 5 in Win Shares? Just looking for clarification?
Rudy Gobert
Mason Plumlee
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Gorgui Dieng
Steven Adams
Nope....I'm saying in that draft, no one had Zeller in the top 5 except one idiot GM. All it takes is one idiot GM and suddenly you are taken higher than what everyone else had you pegged at. One idiot, all it takes. Just like one idiot GM (supposedly) told Vander he had a chance to go in the draft. Just takes one idiot (well in that case it took folks to believe him, too).
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on June 26, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
Some gems from JSComments:
Looney had chance to develop and give his skills under Bo Ryan but went to Hollywood and fell down draft boards. Lazy and unwilling to work
Doesn't sound like the Bucks will move up and go after Frank. Pretty disappointing
The Bucks are a disgrace. Hometown hero Sam Dekker and they select some jabroni. Enjoy Seattle
the bucks can go to hell. Could of had Decker and picked this loser. Screw the new arena let them move will not support this crap
Today is the day the Milwaukee Bucks franchise made it clear they do not want to stay in Milwaukee
bucks wont even draft decker the best player available in the draft.Screw them no new arena let them move.
If these people can't spell Dekker right after 5+ years of noteriety in the state, and 3 years in a Badger jersey, they probably aren't real fans. Why would the bucks draft a SF/PF type when their two best players play that position? Not to mention, Sam's jump shot is still a question mark. Sam not playing in Milwaukee was a positive for both parties.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on June 27, 2015, 12:45:40 AM
If these people can't spell Dekker right after 5+ years of noteriety in the state, and 3 years in a Badger jersey, they probably aren't real fans. Why would the bucks draft a SF/PF type when their two best players play that position? Not to mention, Sam's jump shot is still a question mark. Sam not playing in Milwaukee was a positive for both parties.
I'm not sure I've ever agreed with you more ;D
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on June 26, 2015, 08:54:52 PM
He's saying whatever he needs to in order that he doesn't admit he was wrong.
I admit I am wrong all the time, including in this very thread.
Irony