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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU_Beav on May 11, 2015, 02:32:53 PM
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...as per Rothstein:
@JonRothstein: UNC-Asheville transfer Andrew Rowsey will visit Marquette on Wednesday, source told @CBSSports. Recently visited Cincinnati.
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The weather for May on Wednesday will give him an idea what he is in for. I visited Cincinnati to go to school at and what was very unimpressed. MU is really moving forward if that new
sports center is built.
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He cannot help next year, but might the year after next
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/5/11/8585847/cbs-unc-asheville-transfer-andrew-rowsey-to-visit-marquette-wednesday
Rowsey scored 19.2 points per game last year. He has two years of eligibility left and will have to sit out this season, per NCAA rules.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9PkG7Bmvo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9PkG7Bmvo
Reminds me of a little guard at Shorewood High, John Rinka, if he is half as good as Rinka, he might average 22 for MU. Al stated his biggest mistake was giving Rinka a scholarship, unstoppable
as I know I tried guarding him when he was a junior in college and I was a senior. Gary Rosenberger and Rinka best shooting guards I played against, Rosy scored at Hyde Park about 40 in the wind, beat us, and I had Allie, Jerry Homen and Ace Vollmer on my team.
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Reminds me of a little guard at Shorewood High, John Rinka, if he is half as good as Rinka, he might average 22 for MU. Al stated his biggest mistake was giving Rinka a scholarship, unstoppable
as I know I tried guarding him when he was a junior in college and I was a senior. Gary Rosenberger and Rinka best shooting guards I played against, Rosy scored at Hyde Park about 40 in the wind, beat us, and I had Allie, Jerry Homen and Ace Vollmer on my team.
Reminds me more of Rotnei Clarke of Butler....
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Reminds me more of Rotnei Clarke of Butler....
Agreed - that quick release totally reminds me of Clarke.
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A 5'10" chucker from a low major? Wojo/MU can do better than that, right?
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A 5'10" chucker from a low major? Wojo/MU can do better than that, right?
Never bad to have a backup PG (potentially) who can handle and shoot the ball. And if we learned anything from Carlino it's that "chuckers" can always learn to lessen their chucking.
He is also considering Cincinnati, Tennessee, and was considering NC State and Vanderbilt. So some solid programs are in on him
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A 5'10" chucker from a low major? Wojo/MU can do better than that, right?
If only that was a high school mixtape, everyone would be giddy!
He has nice stats on KenPom. I think some of the shooting percentages may be worse because he played for a pretty bad team. He took 31% of his team's shots. The other 3 major contributors on Asheville were freshman, 2 of which were extremely inefficient.
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A 5'10" chucker from a low major? Wojo/MU can do better than that, right?
Pretty sure the three point line is the same distance in every conference. Any kid who can hit over 100 threes in a season is good enough for our roster. He may not be the starter, but he'll certainly have a role. If Wojo doesn't feel confident about any PGs in 2016, signing Rowsey would allow him to wait until 2017 to sign a PG. This allows him to use the 2 2016 schollies on Coffey/Hauser.
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Pretty sure the three point line is the same distance in every conference. Any kid who can hit over 100 threes in a season is good enough for our roster. He may not be the starter, but he'll certainly have a role. If Wojo doesn't feel confident about any PGs in 2016, signing Rowsey would allow him to wait until 2017 to sign a PG. This allows him to use the 2 2016 schollies on Coffey/Hauser.
Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.
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+1
A Rowsey commitment would likely take us out of the running for any '16 PGs.
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Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.
Rowsey is much quicker and has far superior ball handling than Thomas. He is 3-4 inches shorter, however
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Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.
Pretty close, though.
At USD = 175-450, 38.9 percent
At MU = 77-for-208, 37.0 percent
I don't think a 1.9 percent drop is terribly unexpected given the rise in level of competition.
I suspect the difference is that Jake saw so few opportunities his first year at MU (42 total shots in 23 games) that he never found his stroke. His second year at MU was actually a big improvement upon his second year in South Dakota.
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A 5'10" chucker from a low major? Wojo/MU can do better than that, right?
This is what happens when you miss out on all the transfers we've targeted since the season ended, ai na hey.
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I like Rowsey's form. Fairly quick, high release jumper, deep range. Not sure he's really a PG, though, more like an undersized 2/3. He's not shy at all either. Very high volume shooter, and made at least 1 three in all but 4 games in his two years at UNC-Asheville.
I wouldn't be against Rowsey, but hope the staff wouldn't stop looking at PGs on his account. Someone like Huerter or (please please please) Winston would still be a massive help for 2016.
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I like Rowsey's form. Fairly quick, high release jumper, deep range. Not sure he's really a PG, though, more like an undersized 2/3. He's not shy at all either. Very high volume shooter, and made at least 1 three in all but 4 games in his two years at UNC-Asheville.
I wouldn't be against Rowsey, but hope the staff wouldn't stop looking at PGs on his account. Someone like Huerter or (please please please) Winston would still be a massive help for 2016.
Agreed. I'd be good with taking Rowsey, then Coffey, Hauser and Winston/Huerter in 2016. Somebody will transfer out at some point.
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Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.
....except for his senior year when he led the team in 3P% and 3PM while starting. All I said was that Rowsey would have a role. And you're comparing him to a kid who ended up starting for us! So I assume you agree with me?
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....except for his senior year when he led the team in 3P% and 3PM while starting. All I said was that Rowsey would have a role. And you're comparing him to a kid who ended up starting for us! So I assume you agree with me?
Jake Thomas was an extreme liability.
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Jake Thomas was supposed to be a walk-on role player who was given a scholarship, and thrust into the starting role, when we had excessive roster turn over. My guess is that Rowsey will not be needed in the same role. He will be in the same class as Duane and Sandy, and have Cheatham and Sacar in the class behind him. His playing time will need to be earned.
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Jake Thomas was an extreme liability.
What does it say about the players who couldn't supplant him?
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What does it say about the players who couldn't supplant him?
That Buzz hated them.
Duh.
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He cannot help next year, but might the year after next
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/5/11/8585847/cbs-unc-asheville-transfer-andrew-rowsey-to-visit-marquette-wednesday
Rowsey scored 19.2 points per game last year. He has two years of eligibility left and will have to sit out this season, per NCAA rules.
Because having another point guard who can light it up from 3 point land won't help Traci Carter during practice?
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Agreed. I'd be good with taking Rowsey, then Coffey, Hauser and Winston/Huerter in 2016. Somebody will transfer out at some point.
Maybe everyone will transfer after the NCAA hits MU with a postseason ban for exceeding the limit of scholarship athletes for men's basketball.
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Jake Thomas was an extreme liability.
ya because Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, and Derrick Wilson weren't. I do not understand the Jake Thomas hate on this site. He was a very decent player on a horribily mediocre team.
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ya because Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, and Derrick Wilson weren't. I do not understand the Jake Thomas hate on this site. He was a very decent player on a horribily mediocre team.
He just didn't show the scoring touch many of us expected him to have.
Couldn't make his own shot, became dependent on others to feed him the ball, and he was an average defender on the perimeter.
Compare his SDSU numbers with his last season at MU: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1715882/jake-thomas
Nowhere near his Jackrabbit numbers despite almost playing the same number of minutes.
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I know who Rowsey reminds me of.
A poor man's version of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmo2oyxYxSo
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A Rowsey commitment would likely take us out of the running for any '16 PGs.
What 2016 point guards do you think Marquette has a good shot at?
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Because having another point guard who can light it up from 3 point land won't help Traci Carter during practice?
Man this is a reach.
Next year's team needs immediate help (10 players). Rowsey hitting three in practice does absolutely nothing for Carter. (he can be a help the year after next)
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ya because Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, and Derrick Wilson weren't. I do not understand the Jake Thomas hate on this site. He was a very decent player on a horribily mediocre team.
Derrick Wilson got FAR more hate on this site than Jake ever did...probably by a factor of 10.
Jake was a decent shooter...when he had time to get set and had nobody on him. But to be a decent player as a shooting guard, he would have also needed to create his own shot once in a while. Unfortunately, he simply couldn't do that against our level of competition.
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Man this is a reach.
Next year's team needs immediate help (10 players). Rowsey hitting three in practice does absolutely nothing for Carter. (he can be a help the year after next)
I'm glad you're confident that defense is such an overrated part of the college game.
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Derrick Wilson got FAR more hate on this site than Jake ever did...probably by a factor of 10.
Jake was a decent shooter...when he had time to get set and had nobody on him. But to be a decent player as a shooting guard, he would have also needed to create his own shot once in a while. Unfortunately, he simply couldn't do that against our level of competition.
Exactly. He was required to fill a role that he didn't have the capability to fill. Nor was he recruited to fill this role. The failures of the last two years fall completely on the shoulders of Buzz and his recruiting mistakes - particularly in the back court. If Vander would have stayed, and players like Jamal Ferguson and TJ Taylor panned out, Jake Thomas could have served a key role on the floor that aligned more with his abilities. (Assuming he would have stuck around.)
Rowsey would hopefully be stepping into a completely different situation with completely different expectations placed on him. Comparing the two in isolation serves no purpose.
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Jake came here as a walk-on and was never supposed to be more than that. But Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson transferred and Vander Blue declared. Hell, Jake on the verge of transferring before Blue left.
Both Jake and Rowsey are white guys that lit it up for small schools at the same position. But that's about the end of the comparison, and not every player with the same skin tone playing at the same level are automatically equal.
Jake was in over his head. He performed admirably considering that, but he never should have been a 30 mpg guy. Maybe Rowsey shouldn't be either, but if he's coming off the bench behind Carter and Wilson, that could be an excellent role. And if he proves to be more effective, maybe he earns even more minutes.
Ideally, you should have at least 11 guys. 5-on-5 practice with an extra body or three in case of injury. It's public knowledge that Buzz pressured Acker and Cooby to quit, and I'm sure that he had a hand in other transfers out like Jamail, E-Will, Ferguson, and Mbao. My guess is those guys would have been useful as seniors, whether as fringe starters or simply veteran bench players.
I hope Wojo understands that you need players that aren't stars too. You need guys that fill roles off the bench and experienced upperclassmen have value even if they aren't your top players. Maybe Rowsey would never be a star, but if he's a solid 15-20 mpg guy that backs up two positions for two years and provides three years of competition in practice, that has a ton more value than a freshman who is clueless his first year and transfers out after his second.
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Jake came here as a walk-on and was never supposed to be more than that. But Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson transferred and Vander Blue declared. Hell, Jake on the verge of transferring before Blue left.
Both Jake and Rowsey are white guys that lit it up for small schools at the same position. But that's about the end of the comparison, and not every player with the same skin tone playing at the same level are automatically equal.
Jake was in over his head. He performed admirably considering that, but he never should have been a 30 mpg guy. Maybe Rowsey shouldn't be either, but if he's coming off the bench behind Carter and Wilson, that could be an excellent role. And if he proves to be more effective, maybe he earns even more minutes.
Ideally, you should have at least 11 guys. 5-on-5 practice with an extra body or three in case of injury. It's public knowledge that Buzz pressured Acker and Cooby to quit, and I'm sure that he had a hand in other transfers out like Jamail, E-Will, Ferguson, and Mbao. My guess is those guys would have been useful as seniors, whether as fringe starters or simply veteran bench players.
I hope Wojo understands that you need players that aren't stars too. You need guys that fill roles off the bench and experienced upperclassmen have value even if they aren't your top players. Maybe Rowsey would never be a star, but if he's a solid 15-20 mpg guy that backs up two positions for two years and provides three years of competition in practice, that has a ton more value than a freshman who is clueless his first year and transfers out after his second.
Brew, I totally agree, especially last paragraph
That's why Tomasz Gielo is a very important potential transfer for us. Experienced, big, athletic three point shooter who fills two big gaps on the team. He will shine here.
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He just didn't show the scoring touch many of us expected him to have.
That's more damning of your expectations than Jake's play.
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Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.
Jake would have been a great role player at Marquette. If he was the designated assassin coming off the bench we would have loved him. Think Gary Rosenberger.
He played on one of the most offensively challenged MU teams ever. Jake might have been an adequate starter if the rest of the offense allowed teams to play off Jake.
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He just didn't show the scoring touch many of us expected him to have.
Couldn't make his own shot, became dependent on others to feed him the ball, and he was an average defender on the perimeter.
Compare his SDSU numbers with his last season at MU: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1715882/jake-thomas
Nowhere near his Jackrabbit numbers despite almost playing the same number of minutes.
He also played in an offensive screen that did not set picks for him to get open. He would of been much more effective, if he had played for Notre Dame. Notre Dame utilizes picks to get three point shots. When he got the ball in an open position at MU in Buzz's system he was supposed to look for the pass first, which resulted in him losing many open shot opportunities. Jack was a steak shooter and you cannot go on streaks, if you cannot freely take shots. He played in an offensive system that limited the use of his limited abilities. Buzz's system was not a good fit for him.
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He also played in an offensive screen that did not set picks for him to get open. He would of been much more effective, if he had played for Notre Dame. Notre Dame utilizes picks to get three point shots. When he got the ball in an open position at MU in Buzz's system he was supposed to look for the pass first, which resulted in him losing many open shot opportunities. Jack was a steak shooter and you cannot go on streaks, if you cannot freely take shots. He played in an offensive system that limited the use of his limited abilities. Buzz's system was not a good fit for him.
That sounds like a line from a Primus song ;D
But all good points. Jake was never the type of player that would thrive in Buzz's system. The Derrick/Jake backcourt combination was pretty much the antithesis of what Buzz wanted back there. Add in underachieving seniors and it's no surprise that season ended like it did.
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I'm glad you're confident that defense is such an overrated part of the college game.
Don't need to burn a schollie for this. Have you seen our assistant coaches? Diemer can do this in practice.
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Use your scholarships. At this point it seems pretty farfetched that all three available will be used.
If he sucks after sitting out a year, cut him. It may sounds harsh, but that is the way of big time college hoops these days. That said, I find it hard to believe that a guy that has averaged 20 PPG over the course of his first two years in college won't find a role at MU.
Get him, Wojo.
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Don't need to burn a schollie for this. Have you seen our assistant coaches? Diemer can do this in practice.
Our coaches aren't looking for someone that can make 3's in just practice. I'm convinced you know nothing about basketball because all of your posts are just rambling nonsense.
Anyone that put up multiple games of over 30+ in D1 basketball (and some of those were against SEC high majors etc) can find a niche at Marquette especially as a role player. We need depth and Rowsey certainly fits that bill. I highly doubt our coaches see him as our star player but a nice complementary piece of the puzzle.
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Marquette can do a lot worse than a proven D-1 sharpshooter. Not all 13 players will be stars, starters, or rotation players. At the very least this kid can be an end of the bench zone buster and perhaps a very good backup. Some nice insurance in case injuries strike in 2 or 3 years.
And if Traci Carter, Duane Wilson, and Haanif Cheatham start at the 1-2-3, Rowsey is a better sparring partner for Carter than Cam Marotta. I guess Cohen could try to play some PG in practice but I think his future is on the wing so best to let him practice there. Not sure if coaching staff is allowed to suit up for practice or not. Any rule hawks able to answer this?
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I hope Wojo understands that you need players that aren't stars too. You need guys that fill roles off the bench and experienced upperclassmen have value even if they aren't your top players. Maybe Rowsey would never be a star, but if he's a solid 15-20 mpg guy that backs up two positions for two years and provides three years of competition in practice, that has a ton more value than a freshman who is clueless his first year and transfers out after his second.
Brew, I totally agree, especially last paragraph
That's why Tomasz Gielo is a very important potential transfer for us. Experienced, big, athletic three point shooter who fills two big gaps on the team. He will shine here.
I agree that Brew's comments are spot on. And, it may well be that Gielo would be a very useful practice and role player. But, moomoo, I fear that your comment that "He will shine here" builds him up too much. He may well be a valuable and important teammate, but he could also do that without shining. And that would be enough, methinks.
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Our coaches aren't looking for someone that can make 3's in just practice. I'm convinced you know nothing about basketball because all of your posts are just rambling nonsense.
Anyone that put up multiple games of over 30+ in D1 basketball (and some of those were against SEC high majors etc) can find a niche at Marquette especially as a role player. We need depth and Rowsey certainly fits that bill. I highly doubt our coaches see him as our star player but a nice complementary piece of the puzzle.
I'm convinced that you cannot read because this is the point I was making!
Now if reading comprehension was not an issue for you ....
Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.
Because having another point guard who can light it up from 3 point land won't help Traci Carter during practice?
Man this is a reach.
Next year's team needs immediate help (10 players). Rowsey hitting three in practice does absolutely nothing for Carter. (he can be a help the year after next)
I'm glad you're confident that defense is such an overrated part of the college game.
Don't need to burn a schollie for this. Have you seen our assistant coaches? Diemer can do this in practice.
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This is what happens when you miss out on all the transfers we've targeted since the season ended, ai na hey.
Hey I tried to make this point and I was ripped for over seven pages.
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Hey I tried to make this point and I was ripped for over seven pages.
Lol...no. That wasn't the point you tried to make.
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Don't need to burn a schollie for this. Have you seen our assistant coaches? Diemer can do this in practice.
Except that's against NCAA rules, so, no, "Diemer" cannot do this in practice.
You probably don't think players having to match up with Wade in practice the year he was ineligible to play got any better for it either I'm guessing. We should've just thrown Crean into practice and everything would've been just the same.
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+1
A Rowsey commitment would likely take us out of the running for any '16 PGs.
If above is true... No Cassius Winston then, with Rowsey commit?
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If above is true... No Cassius Winston then, with Rowsey commit?
I do not see why Rowsey would scare away Winston. Only Wojo knows if we have a realistic shot at Winston. Besides that I do not think the number of scholarships available will be much of a problem. Rowsey would leave us officially with two. I think Wojo has a good idea on whether Ellenson will stay more than one year. What if MU really turned it around next year? Does that mean Duane and/or Luke entered the draft? I do not think that will happen, but it is possible. More likely one or two players will transfer when they are not happy with their playing time.
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I do not see why Rowsey would scare away Winston. Only Wojo knows if we have a realistic shot at Winston. Besides that I do not think the number of scholarships available will be much of a problem. Rowsey would leave us officially with two. I think Wojo has a good idea on whether Ellenson will stay more than one year. What if MU really turned it around next year? Does that mean Duane and/or Luke entered the draft? I do not think that will happen, but it is possible. More likely one or two players will transfer when they are not happy with their playing time.
I think Sam Hauser is going to have one of those two. (official visit this weekend.) And I think Coffey would be their next target. With only one, assuming a Hauser commit, they can afford to be very picky.
Carter would "scare away Winston" more than Rowsey would. But between Carter, Cheatham and Rowsey, MU would have plenty of guards who can play the point.
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Except that's against NCAA rules, so, no, "Diemer" cannot do this in practice.
You probably don't think players having to match up with Wade in practice the year he was ineligible to play got any better for it either I'm guessing. We should've just thrown Crean into practice and everything would've been just the same.
It's against NCAA for an assistant coach to participate in practice???
You do realize that Diener is a paid assistant coach on Wojo's staff?
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It's against NCAA for an assistant coach to participate in practice???
You do realize that Diener is a paid assistant coach on Wojo's staff?
Travis Diener, one of the top players in the storied history of the Marquette University men's basketball program, has joined the staff as Director of Player Personnel
Not exactly a coach.
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It's against NCAA for an assistant coach to participate in practice???
You do realize that Diener is a paid assistant coach on Wojo's staff?
You do realize that Diener is director of player personnel, and therefore prohibited from taking part in on-court activities?
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I'm concenred that Wojo plans to use Diemer at practice.
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I'm concenred that Wojo plans to use Diemer at practice.
Forget practice, I am concenred that Wojo isn't giving Diemer a scholarship. Maybe with that name change, the NCAA would think he's a different guy. Now that would solve any and all PG problems we might have for the next 4 years.
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You do realize that Diener is director of player personnel, and therefore prohibited from taking part in on-court activities?
I stand corrected. So Wojo can either upgrade him to have Carawell do it.
The entire Idea that Rowsey hitting threes in practice is critical to Carter development next year is laughable.
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Yeah, Diemer's gonna demonstrate the tacklin' dummy drill, ai na?
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If above is true... No Cassius Winston then, with Rowsey commit?
Unfortunately it feels like a really long shot with Winston regardless of MU's roster. It's going to be tough to catch up to Michigan St.
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That's more damning of your expectations than Jake's play.
Look at his numbers at SDSU before MU and it's too easy to get excited.
The fact that Buzz recruited him but didn't utilize him properly is a testament to Buzz not recognizing how to play to the Jake's strength. But you can't continue to set screens for a player when that means you're taking out your more effective defenders/scorers. The "switchables" have to be able to take their defenders on mano-y-mano. Still explain Jake's FT decline from SDSU; I guess he wasn't given the aggressive green light to drive to the hoop, or he was fouled by more un-athletic defenders in his conference.
The same is going to happen with Rowsey: unathletic - or at least not on par with BE guards - but can shoot.
Then add to it that he's shorter than Jake, and he's gonna get posted all game.
As a back-up, sure. But I don't see him in the starting role.
If he's there, there's more issues with the offense than I first thought.
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I stand corrected. So Wojo can either upgrade him to have Carawell do it.
The entire Idea that Rowsey hitting threes in practice is critical to Carter development next year is laughable.
I don't think anyone would discount that we'd rather have Lee and Miller. That's not the point. The reality is we didn't get them and we have open scholarships. Rowsey would at worst likely be a decent backup at three positions once eligible. No, he won't be eligible for next year, but we still have two scholarships to give and it would be foolish to avoid players the staff feels can contribute.
Should the staff not recruit Sam Hauser because we haven't finished the 2015 roster? Should they stop going after Amir Coffey and Cassius Winston because we don't know where we stand with Tomasz Gielo?
You need practice players. You need guys that will make other guys better. If Rowsey is the second coming of Jake (decent defender, good three point shooter, best suited for 10-15 mpg off the bench) that's not a bad way to spend a scholarship when you have 13 to give. The problem with Jake is that he was forced into a role that he was never suited to play. If we have roster stability, that shouldn't happen to Rowsey. And if he's better than some think he will be, maybe he becomes a significant contributor.
Either way, this staff brought in a top-10 recruiting class and did well with their only transfer so far. No idea why anyone would be running this transfer down before we even know if he'll end up here.
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Look at his numbers at SDSU before MU and it's too easy to get excited.
The fact that Buzz recruited him but didn't utilize him properly is a testament to Buzz not recognizing how to play to the Jake's strength. But you can't continue to set screens for a player when that means you're taking out your more effective defenders/scorers. The "switchables" have to be able to take their defenders on mano-y-mano. Still explain Jake's FT decline from SDSU; I guess he wasn't given the aggressive green light to drive to the hoop, or he was fouled by more un-athletic defenders in his conference.
The same is going to happen with Rowsey: unathletic - or at least not on par with BE guards - but can shoot.
Then add to it that he's shorter than Jake, and he's gonna get posted all game.
As a back-up, sure. But I don't see him in the starting role.
If he's there, there's more issues with the offense than I first thought.
Pedant time...Jake was at USD not SDSU.
Here is the statsheet comparison between Jake and Rowsey as sophomores.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=andrew-rowsey&jake-thomas=2010-2011&p1=jake-thomas
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1st off, I know nothing of Rowsey's abilities but reading this thread it almost reads like 'wasting' a scholarship for him to sit out 1 year would be similar to Teve not getting any offers right now for his 1 year of eligibilty.
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I don't think anyone would discount that we'd rather have Lee and Miller. That's not the point. The reality is we didn't get them and we have open scholarships. Rowsey would at worst likely be a decent backup at three positions once eligible. No, he won't be eligible for next year, but we still have two scholarships to give and it would be foolish to avoid players the staff feels can contribute.
Should the staff not recruit Sam Hauser because we haven't finished the 2015 roster? Should they stop going after Amir Coffey and Cassius Winston because we don't know where we stand with Tomasz Gielo?
You need practice players. You need guys that will make other guys better. If Rowsey is the second coming of Jake (decent defender, good three point shooter, best suited for 10-15 mpg off the bench) that's not a bad way to spend a scholarship when you have 13 to give. The problem with Jake is that he was forced into a role that he was never suited to play. If we have roster stability, that shouldn't happen to Rowsey. And if he's better than some think he will be, maybe he becomes a significant contributor.
Either way, this staff brought in a top-10 recruiting class and did well with their only transfer so far. No idea why anyone would be running this transfer down before we even know if he'll end up here.
I don't disagree with any of this. This all started when I said he sits out a year so he is no help to next year's team. Then it was suggested he helps as a decent practice player and the suggestion he is vital to Carter's development because he can hit threes in practice.
That implication is we have totally given up on grad transfers for next year and crossing our fingers about next year. We going with 10 and while they are good and we might start the season ranked or among others getting votes, things go south really fast should we get injuries sickness and/or down years.
Am I against Rowsey? No, if Wojo wants him I'm all for it. Right now I'm more concerned about next season and want/hope Wojo can find a player or two of Carlino's ability to fill out the roster.
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I don't disagree with any of this. This all started when I said he sits out a year so he is no help to next year's team. Then it was suggested he helps as a decent practice player and the suggestion he is vital to Carter's development because he can hit threes in practice.
I wouldn't say that is vital strictly to Carter's development, but I do think having more practice players is a benefit. We added the Maches pretty much for that exact reason. He won't provide a tangible, known benefit, but I do think having another quality D1 practice player will help.
That implication is we have totally given up on grad transfers for next year and crossing our fingers about next year. We going with 10 and while they are good and we might start the season ranked or among others getting votes, things go south really fast should we get injuries sickness and/or down years.
I don't think that's the implication at all. It's possible we go with 10, but I don't think that is the plan and I don't think the staff is expecting to do that.
Am I against Rowsey? No, if Wojo wants him I'm all for it. Right now I'm more concerned about next season and want/hope Wojo can find a player or two of Carlino's ability to fill out the roster.
Even had we landed Lee and Miller, I'm not sure we'd have two players that would give the kind of production Carlino did. Very rarely do grad transfers come in and lead your team in scoring and produce like Matt. My hope all along was to get two guys that could provide 40 combined reliable minutes per game and hopefully better rebounding. I think Gielo is a great fit. Quite a few other names out there I really like, even with all the people that have already committed.
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I wouldn't say that is vital strictly to Carter's development, but I do think having more practice players is a benefit. We added the Maches pretty much for that exact reason. He won't provide a tangible, known benefit, but I do think having another quality D1 practice player will help.
I don't think that's the implication at all. It's possible we go with 10, but I don't think that is the plan and I don't think the staff is expecting to do that.
Even had we landed Lee and Miller, I'm not sure we'd have two players that would give the kind of production Carlino did. Very rarely do grad transfers come in and lead your team in scoring and produce like Matt. My hope all along was to get two guys that could provide 40 combined reliable minutes per game and hopefully better rebounding. I think Gielo is a great fit. Quite a few other names out there I really like, even with all the people that have already committed.
Brew, Who do you like that is still available? not a loaded question, it's coming from someone who is completely in the dark on the revolving door that is grad transfers.
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Brew, Who do you like that is still available? not a loaded question, it's coming from someone who is completely in the dark on the revolving door that is grad transfers.
Gielo is the one we've been linked with and seems to fit the need. Can score a bit, shoot from three, rebound, and has great size down low.
I also really, really like Alonzo Nelson-Ododa. He was a high-efficiency, low usage forward at Richmond that is a fantastic rebounder and shot-blocker. Seems like he would fit this team's needs very well. While many stats are not indicative of success at different levels, I think offensive rating is a decent indicator. Usually guys that are efficient will continue to be efficient, and ZoNO was efficient. And if the staff goes after him and reels him in, I'm totally coining ZoNO.
Chris Olivier also would fit that role. Big bodied center that could likely play with Fischer. Good rebounder and put up solid scoring numbers.
I think another PG would be a huge help (not sure the staff agrees). I like Jordan Daniels from Drake. He won't wow you with stats, but he's a reliable veteran that started his career at Boston College, so he has some high-major experience. The problem he ran into at Drake was the coach that recruited him was fired and the new guy benched him in favor of his own freshman recruit. The coach that recruited him? That'd be Mark Phelps, who is now on Wojo's bench.
James White, Shawn Smith, Derrick Henry, and Derrick Gordon are all still out there and could be contributors, but if the staff has any interest, it isn't public.
Of course, my dream graduate transfer looks like he won't be transferring. I'm a huge fan of John Brown from High Point. Was really hoping he would be the player to be named later in the Dave Singleton trade. I would have taken him over Damion Lee 10 times out of 10. But it looks like he's staying at High Point to try to get them to the tournament. Too bad, he's a NBA level talent that I really believe would be a star no matter where he played.
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Pedant time...Jake was at USD not SDSU.
Here is the statsheet comparison between Jake and Rowsey as sophomores.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=andrew-rowsey&jake-thomas=2010-2011&p1=jake-thomas
Jake wins in rebounding and turnovers. Rowsey crushes him everywhere else. UNC Asheville was also a better team in 14-15 than South Dakota was in 10-11. They played in the Great West for crying out loud.
Rowsey is also a PG whereas Jake was a SG. Really the only reason they can be compared is that they are both white and shoot a lot of threes.
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Brew, Who do you like that is still available? not a loaded question, it's coming from someone who is completely in the dark on the revolving door that is grad transfers.
PT has got your back
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=47553.0
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Gielo is the one we've been linked with and seems to fit the need. Can score a bit, shoot from three, rebound, and has great size down low.
I also really, really like Alonzo Nelson-Ododa. He was a high-efficiency, low usage forward at Richmond that is a fantastic rebounder and shot-blocker. Seems like he would fit this team's needs very well. While many stats are not indicative of success at different levels, I think offensive rating is a decent indicator. Usually guys that are efficient will continue to be efficient, and ZoNO was efficient. And if the staff goes after him and reels him in, I'm totally coining ZoNO.
Chris Olivier also would fit that role. Big bodied center that could likely play with Fischer. Good rebounder and put up solid scoring numbers.
I think another PG would be a huge help (not sure the staff agrees). I like Jordan Daniels from Drake. He won't wow you with stats, but he's a reliable veteran that started his career at Boston College, so he has some high-major experience. The problem he ran into at Drake was the coach that recruited him was fired and the new guy benched him in favor of his own freshman recruit. The coach that recruited him? That'd be Mark Phelps, who is now on Wojo's bench.
James White, Shawn Smith, Derrick Henry, and Derrick Gordon are all still out there and could be contributors, but if the staff has any interest, it isn't public.
Of course, my dream graduate transfer looks like he won't be transferring. I'm a huge fan of John Brown from High Point. Was really hoping he would be the player to be named later in the Dave Singleton trade. I would have taken him over Damion Lee 10 times out of 10. But it looks like he's staying at High Point to try to get them to the tournament. Too bad, he's a NBA level talent that I really believe would be a star no matter where he played.
Henry wasn't on my list, but he committed to The Citadel today.
I would add Eli Carter, Jermaine Ruttley, Ge'Lawn Guyn, and Max Bielfedt to the list of possible contributors. Unfortunately, these 4 and the 7 you already mentioned are about it for me. There are some others but they would be real stretches.
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Pedant time...Jake was at USD not SDSU.
Here is the statsheet comparison between Jake and Rowsey as sophomores.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=andrew-rowsey&jake-thomas=2010-2011&p1=jake-thomas
Thanks for the link, Sultan.
I'm down for Rowsey if he's gonna warm the bench, provide that extra player during practices, be a cheerleader, and accept his role that he "won't get more than 5 minutes a game but that's cool because he's getting a great 'free' education at Marquette and training with quality staff and in high-end facilities."
If he thinks he'll start, no way.
Your link showed me one thing: he's a high volume shooter: he attempted 15+ shots in 16 games, which is a little more than 50% of the games last season. He also had 13 games where he attempted 10+ 3pts.
Unless you think Wojo's gonna run the inside-outside with Henry and Luke, then I can see this acquisition.
But then there's the 5 points versus GARDNER-WEBB; 5 points versus RADFORD; 3 points versus WINTHROP (all non-NCAA teams); and the 3 points versus conference leader HIGH POINT.
This does not translate well to the BE where the game is faster and more physical.
Finally, a 5'10" guard is gonna get posted.
And posterized.
BADLY.
So, again...I am not a full supporter.
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I think he is better than you portray. For instance Jake Thas would not have gotten interest from the likes of Cincinnati had he announced a transfer.
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Rowsey probably would help Carter learn how to play defense. He would be a tough player for an incoming freshmen to guard. I doubt Wojo would recruit Rowsey, if he did not see him as a contributor.
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Thanks for the link, Sultan.
I'm down for Rowsey if he's gonna warm the bench, provide that extra player during practices, be a cheerleader, and accept his role that he "won't get more than 5 minutes a game but that's cool because he's getting a great 'free' education at Marquette and training with quality staff and in high-end facilities."
If he thinks he'll start, no way.
Your link showed me one thing: he's a high volume shooter: he attempted 15+ shots in 16 games, which is a little more than 50% of the games last season. He also had 13 games where he attempted 10+ 3pts.
Unless you think Wojo's gonna run the inside-outside with Henry and Luke, then I can see this acquisition.
But then there's the 5 points versus GARDNER-WEBB; 5 points versus RADFORD; 3 points versus WINTHROP (all non-NCAA teams); and the 3 points versus conference leader HIGH POINT.
This does not translate well to the BE where the game is faster and more physical.
Finally, a 5'10" guard is gonna get posted.
And posterized.
BADLY.
So, again...I am not a full supporter.
I think you are vastly underestimating Rowsey because of where he went to school. I think you are also forgetting to look at the depth chart. At PG we have Carter and.....that's it. Duane might be able to play the point and there's been speculation that Haanif could play the point (I'm skeptical on this one) but we have no backup to Carter. Hell, we don't even know that Carter will be that good. We just hope he will. I see Rowsey as a guy who gets at least 15 minutes off the bench. If Carter doesn't perform up to our expectations, than Rowsey could be our starting PG in two years.
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I think you are vastly underestimating Rowsey because of where he went to school. I think you are also forgetting to look at the depth chart. At PG we have Carter and.....that's it. Duane might be able to play the point and there's been speculation that Haanif could play the point (I'm skeptical on this one) but we have no backup to Carter. Hell, we don't even know that Carter will be that good. We just hope he will. I see Rowsey as a guy who gets at least 15 minutes off the bench. If Carter doesn't perform up to our expectations, than Rowsey could be our starting PG in two years.
I agree with you. Just because he is white and 5'10" does not mean the kid can't play high level ball. I think some are jumping to conclusions that he wouldn't be very good. I think that he could be a very good role player and a complementary piece to this team going forward if we were to land him. He averaged over 33+ a game in hs, was VA player of the year, and had two seasons in d1 ball with almost 20/game. I'd give him a shot at least for depth. And like you said, we hope that Traci will be good but we have no idea yet as he is untested at the college level.
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Plus the options for immediate help next year are dwindling. If we can grab a player that can handle the ball, hit open shots, and hit free throws at a 90% clip (which we haven't had in a pg in a while) why not?
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Look at his numbers at SDSU before MU and it's too easy to get excited.
The fact that Buzz recruited him but didn't utilize him properly is a testament to Buzz not recognizing how to play to the Jake's strength. But you can't continue to set screens for a player when that means you're taking out your more effective defenders/scorers. The "switchables" have to be able to take their defenders on mano-y-mano. Still explain Jake's FT decline from SDSU; I guess he wasn't given the aggressive green light to drive to the hoop, or he was fouled by more un-athletic defenders in his conference.
The same is going to happen with Rowsey: unathletic - or at least not on par with BE guards - but can shoot.
Then add to it that he's shorter than Jake, and he's gonna get posted all game.
As a back-up, sure. But I don't see him in the starting role.
If he's there, there's more issues with the offense than I first thought.
Except that Buzz didn't really recruit him......He wanted to get back home and see if he could play at a higher level. He contacted MU not vice versa and Buzz agreed to take him......AS A WALK ON!
Rowsey was recruited by a bunch of high majors when he announced his transfer including Cincy, NC State, Tenn and MU......http://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/virginia-tech-tennessee-among-major-schools-eyeing-andrew-rowsey/article_a7a8aff0-9d05-511f-906b-5fa06c171fa7.html
He won't be walking on anywhere
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Except that Buzz didn't really recruit him......He wanted to get back home and see if he could play at a higher level. He contacted MU not vice versa and Buzz agreed to take him......AS A WALK ON!
Rowsey was recruited by a bunch of high majors when he announced his transfer including Cincy, NC State, Tenn and MU......http://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/virginia-tech-tennessee-among-major-schools-eyeing-andrew-rowsey/article_a7a8aff0-9d05-511f-906b-5fa06c171fa7.html
He won't be walking on anywhere
Right. And my guess is that if Jake Thomas simply announced a transfer, he wouldn't have received the same high major offers that Rowsey is getting.
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I agree with you. Just because he is white and 5'10" does not mean the kid can't play high level ball.
Not a loaded question...for those who know more than I: are their 5'10 Caucasian point guards that play heavy minutes for high majors?
Only one that came to mind was TJ McConnell who transfered from Duquense to 'Zona. But he is nearly 6'2
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Not a loaded question...for those who know more than I: are their 5'10 Caucasian point guards that play heavy minutes for high majors?
Only one that came to mind was TJ McConnell who transfered from Duquense to 'Zona. But he is nearly 6'2
Alex Barlow from Butler?
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Alex Barlow from Butler?
It does not matter what color you are, all that matters is that you can put the ball in the hole, watching the Wake highlights he knows how to get open and get his shot off. If the bigs stay
around for two years, MU might be seeing more zones anyway, then he can always get his shot off with a good pass.
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Alex Barlow from Butler?
Mike Gesell from Iowa.
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Spike Albrecht of Michigan.
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What about our own Diemer?
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Spud Webb, ai na?
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Not a loaded question...for those who know more than I: are their 5'10 Caucasian point guards that play heavy minutes for high majors?
Only one that came to mind was TJ McConnell who transfered from Duquense to 'Zona. But he is nearly 6'2
This guy played heavy minutes for a high major.
(http://www.legionreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/32.jpg)
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I hope a memo goes out that tells me when I have to change my screen name to Rowsey82.
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I hope a memo goes out that tells me when I have to change my screen name to Rowsey82.
I was thinking MU8Drew. And I could be Drewcity77.
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Not a loaded question...for those who know more than I: are their 5'10 Caucasian point guards that play heavy minutes for high majors?
Only one that came to mind was TJ McConnell who transfered from Duquense to 'Zona. But he is nearly 6'2
Mo Acker was 5'8". Why does skin color matter?
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Dominic James was 5'11"
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Hutch was 5'9. I don't worry about melatonin.
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Mo Acker was 5'8". Why does skin color matter?
Because Wojo is turning us into SLU!!!!
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Obligatory Cordell Henry mention.
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Because Wojo is turning us into SLU!!!!
And wants a roster full of players who remind him of himself!
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Pretty sure the three point line is the same distance in every conference. Any kid who can hit over 100 threes in a season is good enough for our roster. He may not be the starter, but he'll certainly have a role. If Wojo doesn't feel confident about any PGs in 2016, signing Rowsey would allow him to wait until 2017 to sign a PG. This allows him to use the 2 2016 schollies on Coffey/Hauser.
Saw him play in person he can put up numbers but shoots alot. Don't know if he can score the same amount at the Big East level.
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Saw him play in person he can put up numbers but shoots alot. Don't know if he can score the same amount at the Big East level.
I seriously doubt he could put up the same numbers, but as usage goes down, efficiency typically rises. For as high usage as he was, he had decent efficiency numbers. At Marquette, he wouldn't have to be the man, so his usage would go down but his efficiency should climb. I think at minimum, he would be a nice 15 minutes off the bench kind of player.
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Rick Lewis @Coach_Rick57
Per source, it looks like a two team race for Andrew Rowsey
Cincinnati and Marquette
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I seriously doubt he could put up the same numbers, but as usage goes down, efficiency typically rises. For as high usage as he was, he had decent efficiency numbers. At Marquette, he wouldn't have to be the man, so his usage would go down but his efficiency should climb. I think at minimum, he would be a nice 15 minutes off the bench kind of player.
Oh yeah he'd be great in 15 min off the bench as a spark. Because when he's on he can score with best of them and hes not afraid to shoot (He's a better ball handler than Carlino or Jake Thomas ever were but not as good of a shooter as either but a better scorer than both to me) he put 30 on Wake Forest this year. If he goes to MU I'm sure he will do good, If he goes to Cinci he plays more but MU he wins more. It's his decision to make..
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Dominic James was 5'11"
In heels.
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so visit was yesterday? any word on him in a boot or anything else of note?
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so visit was yesterday? any word on him in a boot or anything else of note?
diemer crossed him up at the al, resulting in him walking out of the jj's on wells with a walking boot on, only to step on a crack with his good foot wrong and get leave milwaukee with the stylish double boots. since diemer can play the role of making carter defend a better player in practice better, we told him to take the boots and get outta town.
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well at least he didn't get hit by a car crashing through the front of jj's while he was ordering then otherwise he'd have walking pants
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Hutch was 5'9. I don't worry about melatonin.
:D
Neither did I until my body stopped making enough of it, and I didn't get to sleep as easily.
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so visit was yesterday? any word on him in a boot or anything else of note?
It started poorly when he met Wojo who said, "OMG, you're a 5'10" Caucasian point guard?"
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Anyone with insider knowledge have any insight into how his visit actually went?
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Andrew would be a nice pickup for the program. Would add value in practice this year and step right into a nice role the following year.
If he has NBA intentions, making the move now to better competition is the right thing to do.
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Andrew would be a nice pickup for the program. Would add value in practice this year and step right into a nice role the following year.
If he has NBA intentions, making the move now to better competition is the right thing to do.
I don't think he is making the move because of "NBA intentions".......