Rowsey visits MU on Wednesday...

[#UnleashSean]

Jake Thomas was an extreme liability.

ya because Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, and Derrick Wilson weren't. I do not understand the Jake Thomas hate on this site. He was a very decent player on a horribily mediocre team.

[77ncaachamps]

ya because Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, and Derrick Wilson weren't. I do not understand the Jake Thomas hate on this site. He was a very decent player on a horribily mediocre team.

He just didn't show the scoring touch many of us expected him to have.

Couldn't make his own shot, became dependent on others to feed him the ball, and he was an average defender on the perimeter.

Compare his SDSU numbers with his last season at MU: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1715882/jake-thomas
Nowhere near his Jackrabbit numbers despite almost playing the same number of minutes.

[77ncaachamps]

I know who Rowsey reminds me of.
A poor man's version of this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmo2oyxYxSo

[TedBaxter]

+1

A Rowsey commitment would likely take us out of the running for any '16 PGs.

What 2016 point guards do you think Marquette has a good shot at? 

[Tugg Speedman]

Because having another point guard who can light it up from 3 point land won't help Traci Carter during practice?

Man this is a reach.

Next year's team needs immediate help (10 players).  Rowsey hitting three in practice does absolutely nothing for Carter.  (he can be a help the year after next)

[GooooMarquette]

ya because Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule, and Derrick Wilson weren't. I do not understand the Jake Thomas hate on this site. He was a very decent player on a horribily mediocre team.

Derrick Wilson got FAR more hate on this site than Jake ever did...probably by a factor of 10.

Jake was a decent shooter...when he had time to get set and had nobody on him.  But to be a decent player as a shooting guard, he would have also needed to create his own shot once in a while.  Unfortunately, he simply couldn't do that against our level of competition.

[Dawson Rental]

Man this is a reach.

Next year's team needs immediate help (10 players).  Rowsey hitting three in practice does absolutely nothing for Carter.  (he can be a help the year after next)

I'm glad you're confident that defense is such an overrated part of the college game.

[GGGG]

Derrick Wilson got FAR more hate on this site than Jake ever did...probably by a factor of 10.

Jake was a decent shooter...when he had time to get set and had nobody on him.  But to be a decent player as a shooting guard, he would have also needed to create his own shot once in a while.  Unfortunately, he simply couldn't do that against our level of competition.

Exactly.  He was required to fill a role that he didn't have the capability to fill.  Nor was he recruited to fill this role.  The failures of the last two years fall completely on the shoulders of Buzz and his recruiting mistakes - particularly in the back court.  If Vander would have stayed, and players like Jamal Ferguson and TJ Taylor panned out, Jake Thomas could have served a key role on the floor that aligned more with his abilities.  (Assuming he would have stuck around.)

Rowsey would hopefully be stepping into a completely different situation with completely different expectations placed on him.  Comparing the two in isolation serves no purpose.

[brewcity77]

Jake came here as a walk-on and was never supposed to be more than that. But Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson transferred and Vander Blue declared. Hell, Jake on the verge of transferring before Blue left.

Both Jake and Rowsey are white guys that lit it up for small schools at the same position. But that's about the end of the comparison, and not every player with the same skin tone playing at the same level are automatically equal.

Jake was in over his head. He performed admirably considering that, but he never should have been a 30 mpg guy. Maybe Rowsey shouldn't be either, but if he's coming off the bench behind Carter and Wilson, that could be an excellent role. And if he proves to be more effective, maybe he earns even more minutes.

Ideally, you should have at least 11 guys. 5-on-5 practice with an extra body or three in case of injury. It's public knowledge that Buzz pressured Acker and Cooby to quit, and I'm sure that he had a hand in other transfers out like Jamail, E-Will, Ferguson, and Mbao. My guess is those guys would have been useful as seniors, whether as fringe starters or simply veteran bench players.

I hope Wojo understands that you need players that aren't stars too. You need guys that fill roles off the bench and experienced upperclassmen have value even if they aren't your top players. Maybe Rowsey would never be a star, but if he's a solid 15-20 mpg guy that backs up two positions for two years and provides three years of competition in practice, that has a ton more value than a freshman who is clueless his first year and transfers out after his second.

[moomoo]

Jake came here as a walk-on and was never supposed to be more than that. But Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson transferred and Vander Blue declared. Hell, Jake on the verge of transferring before Blue left.

Both Jake and Rowsey are white guys that lit it up for small schools at the same position. But that's about the end of the comparison, and not every player with the same skin tone playing at the same level are automatically equal.

Jake was in over his head. He performed admirably considering that, but he never should have been a 30 mpg guy. Maybe Rowsey shouldn't be either, but if he's coming off the bench behind Carter and Wilson, that could be an excellent role. And if he proves to be more effective, maybe he earns even more minutes.

Ideally, you should have at least 11 guys. 5-on-5 practice with an extra body or three in case of injury. It's public knowledge that Buzz pressured Acker and Cooby to quit, and I'm sure that he had a hand in other transfers out like Jamail, E-Will, Ferguson, and Mbao. My guess is those guys would have been useful as seniors, whether as fringe starters or simply veteran bench players.

I hope Wojo understands that you need players that aren't stars too. You need guys that fill roles off the bench and experienced upperclassmen have value even if they aren't your top players. Maybe Rowsey would never be a star, but if he's a solid 15-20 mpg guy that backs up two positions for two years and provides three years of competition in practice, that has a ton more value than a freshman who is clueless his first year and transfers out after his second.

Brew, I totally agree, especially last paragraph

That's why Tomasz Gielo is a very important potential transfer for us. Experienced, big, athletic three point shooter who fills two big gaps on the team. He will shine here.

[MUfan12]

He just didn't show the scoring touch many of us expected him to have.

That's more damning of your expectations than Jake's play.

[mu-rara]

Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.

Jake would have been a great role player at Marquette.  If he was the designated assassin coming off the bench we would have loved him.  Think Gary Rosenberger.

He played on one of the most offensively challenged MU teams ever.  Jake might have been an adequate starter if the rest of the offense allowed teams to play off Jake. 

[bilsu]

He just didn't show the scoring touch many of us expected him to have.

Couldn't make his own shot, became dependent on others to feed him the ball, and he was an average defender on the perimeter.

Compare his SDSU numbers with his last season at MU: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1715882/jake-thomas
Nowhere near his Jackrabbit numbers despite almost playing the same number of minutes.

He also played in an offensive screen that did not set picks for him to get open. He would of been much more effective, if he had played for Notre Dame. Notre Dame utilizes picks to get three point shots. When he got the ball in an open position at MU in Buzz's system he was supposed to look for the pass first, which resulted in him losing many open shot opportunities. Jack was a steak shooter and you cannot go on streaks, if you cannot freely take shots. He played in an offensive system that limited the use of his limited abilities. Buzz's system was not a good fit for him.

[brewcity77]

He also played in an offensive screen that did not set picks for him to get open. He would of been much more effective, if he had played for Notre Dame. Notre Dame utilizes picks to get three point shots. When he got the ball in an open position at MU in Buzz's system he was supposed to look for the pass first, which resulted in him losing many open shot opportunities. Jack was a steak shooter and you cannot go on streaks, if you cannot freely take shots. He played in an offensive system that limited the use of his limited abilities. Buzz's system was not a good fit for him.

That sounds like a line from a Primus song

But all good points. Jake was never the type of player that would thrive in Buzz's system. The Derrick/Jake backcourt combination was pretty much the antithesis of what Buzz wanted back there. Add in underachieving seniors and it's no surprise that season ended like it did.

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm glad you're confident that defense is such an overrated part of the college game.

Don't need to burn a schollie for this.  Have you seen our assistant coaches?  Diemer can do this in practice.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Use your scholarships.  At this point it seems pretty farfetched that all three available will be used.

If he sucks after sitting out a year, cut him.  It may sounds harsh, but that is the way of big time college hoops these days.  That said, I find it hard to believe that a guy that has averaged 20 PPG over the course of his first two years in college won't find a role at MU.   

Get him, Wojo. 

[Sharpie]

Don't need to burn a schollie for this.  Have you seen our assistant coaches?  Diemer can do this in practice.

Our coaches aren't looking for someone that can make 3's in just practice. I'm convinced you know nothing about basketball because all of your posts are just rambling nonsense.

Anyone that put up multiple games of over 30+ in D1 basketball (and some of those were against SEC high majors etc) can find a niche at Marquette especially as a role player. We need depth and Rowsey certainly fits that bill. I highly doubt our coaches see him as our star player but a nice complementary piece of the puzzle.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Marquette can do a lot worse than a proven D-1 sharpshooter.  Not all 13 players will be stars, starters, or rotation players.  At the very least this kid can be an end of the bench zone buster and perhaps a very good backup.  Some nice insurance in case injuries strike in 2 or 3 years.

And if Traci Carter, Duane Wilson, and Haanif Cheatham start at the 1-2-3, Rowsey is a better sparring partner for Carter than Cam Marotta.  I guess Cohen could try to play some PG in practice but I think his future is on the wing so best to let him practice there.  Not sure if coaching staff is allowed to suit up for practice or not.  Any rule hawks able to answer this?

[mug644]

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I hope Wojo understands that you need players that aren't stars too. You need guys that fill roles off the bench and experienced upperclassmen have value even if they aren't your top players. Maybe Rowsey would never be a star, but if he's a solid 15-20 mpg guy that backs up two positions for two years and provides three years of competition in practice, that has a ton more value than a freshman who is clueless his first year and transfers out after his second.

Brew, I totally agree, especially last paragraph

That's why Tomasz Gielo is a very important potential transfer for us. Experienced, big, athletic three point shooter who fills two big gaps on the team. He will shine here.

I agree that Brew's comments are spot on. And, it may well be that Gielo would be a very useful practice and role player. But, moomoo, I fear that your comment that "He will shine here" builds him up too much. He may well be a valuable and important teammate, but he could also do that without shining. And that would be enough, methinks.

[Tugg Speedman]

Our coaches aren't looking for someone that can make 3's in just practice. I'm convinced you know nothing about basketball because all of your posts are just rambling nonsense.

Anyone that put up multiple games of over 30+ in D1 basketball (and some of those were against SEC high majors etc) can find a niche at Marquette especially as a role player. We need depth and Rowsey certainly fits that bill. I highly doubt our coaches see him as our star player but a nice complementary piece of the puzzle.

I'm convinced that you cannot read because this is the point I was making!

Now if reading comprehension was not an issue for you ....

Seems to me we said the same thing about Jake Thomas and he was never the three point shooter for MU that he was for South Dakota.

Because having another point guard who can light it up from 3 point land won't help Traci Carter during practice?

Man this is a reach.

Next year's team needs immediate help (10 players).  Rowsey hitting three in practice does absolutely nothing for Carter.  (he can be a help the year after next)

I'm glad you're confident that defense is such an overrated part of the college game.

Don't need to burn a schollie for this.  Have you seen our assistant coaches?  Diemer can do this in practice.

[Tugg Speedman]

This is what happens when you miss out on all the transfers we've targeted since the season ended, ai na hey.

Hey I tried to make this point and I was ripped for over seven pages.

[GGGG]

Hey I tried to make this point and I was ripped for over seven pages.

Lol...no.  That wasn't the point you tried to make.

[withoutbias]

Don't need to burn a schollie for this.  Have you seen our assistant coaches?  Diemer can do this in practice.

Except that's against NCAA rules, so, no, "Diemer" cannot do this in practice.

You probably don't think players having to match up with Wade in practice the year he was ineligible to play got any better for it either I'm guessing.  We should've just thrown Crean into practice and everything would've been just the same.

[WarriorPride68]

+1

A Rowsey commitment would likely take us out of the running for any '16 PGs.

If above is true... No Cassius Winston then, with Rowsey commit?

[bilsu]

If above is true... No Cassius Winston then, with Rowsey commit?

I do not see why Rowsey would scare away Winston. Only Wojo knows if we have a realistic shot at Winston. Besides that I do not think the number of scholarships available will be much of a problem. Rowsey would leave us officially with two. I think Wojo has a good idea on whether Ellenson will stay more than one year. What if MU really turned it around next year? Does that mean Duane and/or Luke entered the draft? I do not think that will happen, but it is possible. More likely one or two players will transfer when they are not happy with their playing time.