It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles." How 'bout we ALL live in the present and drop ALL of the repeated, grating and childish references to "Warriors?"
Let's all try showing our Marquette pride by referring to the Golden Eagles as "Golden Eagles."
Agreed?
Great!
Never, not happenin', hey!
I think it worth noting that all the current students were born after the name change from Warriors to Golden Eagles. As an old fart I still am less than pleased by the change but have long accepted that there are many more important thing in life than something so trivial.
Yet, have written that I fully expect the "Warrior" chant/cheers will continue...
Was this supposed to be in teal?
It's warrior's, it'll always be warrior's
Thanks, MU Avenue. So, so much.
Quote from: ronald dragon on May 09, 2015, 09:48:48 AM
Was this supposed to be in teal?
It's warrior's, it'll always be warrior's
I don't do "Warriors" and I find the whole "teal" thing really embarrassing.
Teal? That is funny.
And to ronald dragon: You probably want to re-study the rules for capitalization and for using an apostrophe.
I thought I heard just last season "Let's Go Warriors" from the student section. Am I crazy?
If so, looks like some of the students agree with us older folk.
WARRIORS WARRIORS WARRIORS
This meme unexpectedly lost a nail-biter in the first round. I don't think there's anything there.
Sorry, MU Avenue.
What if they used Joan of Arc as a logo with the Warrior nickname?
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles." How 'bout we ALL live in the present and drop ALL of the repeated, grating and childish references to "Warriors?"
Let's all try showing our Marquette pride by referring to the Golden Eagles as "Golden Eagles."
Agreed?
Great!
Childish and grating? Now that is very PC. You show your pride your way. Warriors forever, with Golden Avalanche as the backup.
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
I don't do "Warriors" and I find the whole "teal" thing really embarrassing.
Teal? That is funny.
And to ronald dragon: You probably want to re-study the rules for capitalization and for using an apostrophe.
Kids these days and their ignorance of proper capitalization and apostrophe use! Get off my lawn!
It will always be Warriors for me. I wear my shirt proudly. Wish the new administration would change the name back.
How 'bout, no
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles."
Your math is wrong. It has not been that long.
Also, eff the chicken. We are the Warriors.
I don't think I like the cut of your jib, comrade.
Go Warriors.
Not gonna dignify the original post with a reply. Not gonna do it. I just won't.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 09, 2015, 10:50:31 AM
Your math is wrong. It has not been that long.
Also, eff the chicken. We are the Warriors.
Marquette University decided in October 1993 -- almost 22 years ago -- to abolish the Warriors nickname.
The university then held a contest to arrive at a new nickname. Golden Eagles was chosen from more than 1,500 entries, outdistancing Lightning, and has been Marquette's team nickname since the start of the 1994-95 school year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 09, 2015, 10:50:31 AM
Your math is wrong. It has not been that long.
Also, eff the chicken. We are the Warriors.
Announced on May 2, 1994
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Marquette University decided in October 1993 -- almost 22 years ago -- to abolish the Warriors nickname.
The university then held a contest to arrive at a new nickname. Golden Eagles was chosen from more than 1,500 entries, outdistancing Lightning, and has been Marquette's team nickname since the start of the 1994-95 school year.
Dude, ya ain't gonna win this pissin' match, ai na?
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Marquette University decided in October 1993 -- almost 22 years ago -- to abolish the Warriors nickname.
The university then held a contest to arrive at a new nickname. Golden Eagles was chosen from more than 1,500 entries, outdistancing Lightning, and has been Marquette's team nickname since the start of the 1994-95 school year.
I was there, kiddo. You said, "It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles."" The start of the 1994-95 school year was August 1994. It's currently May 2015. You're wrong on the basic math and you're wrong on your whining.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 09, 2015, 11:12:13 AM
Dude, ya ain't gonna win this pissin' match, ai na?
If you need to make this about winning or losing, I guess I have won. The nickname is "Golden Eagles." Check your program.
Questions for those here who are so argumentative and defensive on this topic: You all went to Marquette? When? And why so unwilling to consider other viewpoints?
The name isn't changing back. I accept that. However, MU was the Warriors when I attended and achieved the greatest success as the Warriors. So I always think 'Warriors' first and then translate to Golden Eagles or just 'Marquette'.
Who cares? It's Golden Eagles now.
If the old farts wanna keep calling us the Warriors, let them.
Warriors is a better nickname, but it ain't coming back.
I'm fine with it. Just that we seem to be more of the nothings, unless using a lame logo on kid's t-shirts. If they actually used the name, maybe it would get somewhere. Hiding it in shame is even worse than forcing it on people. Take the name and own it. Not like there are ten other high level schools with the same name like Wildcats or Bulldogs, just three forgettable ones. And just use an image instead of a cartoon logo to actually show the beast.
(http://www.vertebratejournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Photograph-by-Murdo-Macleod.jpg)
Quote from: chapman on May 09, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
I'm fine with it. Just that we seem to be more of the nothings, unless using a lame logo on kid's t-shirts. If they actually used the name, maybe it would get somewhere. Hiding it in shame is even worse than forcing it on people. Take the name and own it. Not like there are ten other high level schools with the same name like Wildcats or Bulldogs, just three forgettable ones. And just use an image instead of a cartoon logo to actually show the beast.
(http://www.vertebratejournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Photograph-by-Murdo-Macleod.jpg)
I like your response, chapman, and share some of your thoughts. Marquette does seem a bit passive and timid in how it uses and promotes the "Golden Eagles" nickname -- our "brand."
I never saw the need to abolish "Warriors," which I still view as a neutral, nonspecific, nondiscriminatory nickname. But Marquette bit on a movement in 1993 that applauded schools for getting rid of nicknames that could, even slightly, be interpreted to be improper.
Marquette is now the Golden Eagles. As a sometimes-reader of this site, I find it surprising that so many here feel the need to use "Warriors" over and over as some sort of "statement" about a decision made almost 22 years ago.
The obsession some have with "Warriors" means nothing in the big picture, but it certainly does not help our brand.
I totally agree that wanting to change the name from the Golden Eagles is a dialogue in futility. However, there is no way that embracing the past - specifically with Warrior chants/references - does anything to harm or diminish MU's brand. It's not an either or situation and wanting the Warrior references to stop is equally as futile of a dialogue.
I'm a Warrior ('88) so i don't get into many college basketball conversations with current college kids or recent grads, but i do interact with a bunch of late twenty to late forty people and there is not one college hoops fan (even casual) that isn't aware of the Warrior brand......it's a good thing.
Go Warriors/Golden Eagles/Fighting Sioux!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 09, 2015, 11:47:57 AM
Who cares? It's Golden Eagles now.
If the old farts wanna keep calling us the Warriors, let them.
Warriors is a better nickname, but it ain't coming back.
WE old Warriors went to MU before people got wussified in the '80s. Sorry, but when I look in the mirror I don't see a chicken.
" I say, I say you're no chicken ,Boy. You're a HAWK!!!
How about the Marquette Bells, we could ring the "clarion" after every victory, even a connection to the Bells of St. Mary's. Do we still have a clarion? What's a clarion?
Quote from: naginiF on May 09, 2015, 01:13:20 PM
I totally agree that wanting to change the name from the Golden Eagles is a dialogue in futility. However, there is no way that embracing the past - specifically with Warrior chants/references - does anything to harm or diminish MU's brand. It's not an either or situation and wanting the Warrior references to stop is equally as futile of a dialogue.
Agree 100%. I don't tell others that they can't call us the Golden Eagles, so I don't get why they try to tell me to stop calling us the Warriors.
This is looking like a good old fashioned scoop gang bang
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles." How 'bout we ALL live in the present and drop ALL of the repeated, grating and childish references to "Warriors?"
Let's all try showing our Marquette pride by referring to the Golden Eagles as "Golden Eagles."
Agreed?
Great!
HEY! F#ck you! A' ina?
Kiss my browneagle
Quote from: naginiF on May 09, 2015, 01:13:20 PM
i do interact with a bunch of late twenty to late forty people and there is not one college hoops fan (even casual) that isn't aware of the Warrior brand......it's a good thing.
Talk to more people. There are many, many, "late 20's, causal fans" who don't know what the nickname was before they were in the first grade.
We were the Warriors the entire time I was at Marquette, so that's what we'll always be to me. Whatever the current students and younger alums want to go by is none of my concern.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 09, 2015, 10:01:29 AM
I thought I heard just last season "Let's Go Warriors" from the student section. Am I crazy?
If so, looks like some of the students agree with us older folk.
That is correct. We always try to get in a let's go warriors chant at least once a game.
I don't make a deal about the Warriors (was in junior high when it happened) but I hate the Golden Eagle mascot and refuse to use it.
I will never wear or use the current mascot
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
I don't do "Warriors" and I find the whole "teal" thing really embarrassing.
Teal? That is funny.
And to ronald dragon: You probably want to re-study the rules for capitalization and for using an apostrophe.
Wow, you really got ronald dragon there.
Personally, what I find "grating and childish " is when someone tries to control what others do or say as a means of controlling their own irritation which presumably they cannot control any other way.
Proud Old Fart here -
There was a "contest"? Was it a fair contest? Were all entries allowed and/or counted? You can fact check this before you answer the questions.
None the less, the official mascot is, in fact, a scrawny chicken reject from KFC and the nickname is Golden Eagles. No getting around that.
But, for me, now and forever it's the Marquette Warriors!
Hope I got most of the punctuation and spelling right.
And by the way, Golden Eagles is lame.
With all due respect, of course.
Quote from: leever on May 09, 2015, 05:17:30 PM
There was a "contest"? Was it a fair contest? Were all entries allowed and/or counted? You can fact check this before you answer the questions.
This is the crux of the issue for many. Marquette announced a contest for the team nickname. When they didn't like the result they disregarded the process and simply picked their own name. Talk about intellectual dishonesty and ethical misconduct...
Marquette's lack of integrity in many things is disheartening. Somewhere, Jim Scott is puffing on his pipe, rubbing his flat top and flashing a sh1t eating grin...
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles." How 'bout we ALL live in the present and drop ALL of the repeated, grating and childish references to "Warriors?"
Let's all try showing our Marquette pride by referring to the Golden Eagles as "Golden Eagles."
Agreed?
Great!
Kiss my arse
We should abolish having a nickname altogether. We are Marquette. That's enough for me.
Wish you Warrior fans were just as upset about the change from "Hilltoppers." We are, Marquette!!!!
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on May 09, 2015, 03:41:29 PM
Talk to more people. There are many, many, "late 20's, causal fans" who don't know what the nickname was before they were in the first grade.
There are many "late 20's casual fans" of music who don't know who Warren Zevon was and who Tom Waits and John Prine are. So what? Their loss. Go Warriors!
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Marquette University decided in October 1993 -- almost 22 years ago -- to abolish the Warriors nickname.
The university then held a contest to arrive at a new nickname. Golden Eagles was chosen from more than 1,500 entries, outdistancing Lightning, and has been Marquette's team nickname since the start of the 1994-95 school year.
Where does one start with this nonsense? You have no idea what you're talking about.
The finger to you all.
GOLD.
We were - for a brief moments - but will forever will be GOLD.
<----- AVATAR. ALWAYS. AND FOREVER.
I'm a Warrior Fan.
I'm not a Golden Eagle Fan.
If I buy MU Merchandise - and I do every year for my kids and every niece/ nephew - it will NEVER say Golden Eagles.
I reluctantly tolerate the name change which was made by the spineless in the beginnings of our current era of political correctness, however I value the tradition over the PC bit.
Attended 1999-2003. It is Warriors. That is all.
And make your mascot something other than a furry bird
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 09, 2015, 10:37:43 PM
And make your mascot something other than a furry bird
I'm pretty sure we all have discussed this subject at least on several occasions. Nonetheless, while I prefer Warriors, I don't mind golden eagles. I do, however, HATE the cartoon-y bird. I, too, refuse to purchase anything with that bird on it.
I much prefer the late 90s/early 2000s bird. Much more regal. A regal eagle, you could say (I think I also made that same joke before as well).
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Marquette_Golden_Eagles_logo_1994-2004.svg)
Al was a Warrior
Thompson, Meminger, Brell, Lackey, Lucas, Chones, McNeill, Washington, Walton, Ellis, Lee, Toone, Payne, Rivers, Whitehead were all Warriors.
We won the 1977 NCAA Championship as Warriors (no matter how much the PC crowd wants to think otherwise).
We were National Runner-ups in 1974 as Warriors.
We won the 1970 NIT (when it meant something) as Warriors.
Father DiUllio can changed it to Golden Eagles.
We can call ourselves, Eagles, Gold, Ghetto Dwellers, Hilltoppers, PC Birds or whatever we want.
But I aint no Golden Eagle. And I aint a furry bird or a Gold.
I AM A WARRIOR!!! And damn proud of it and what we stood for.
Henry Ellenson's high school team -- the Rice Lake Warriors. How about that!
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
It has now been 22 years since Marquette changed its team nickname and mascot to "Golden Eagles." How 'bout we ALL live in the present and drop ALL of the repeated, grating and childish references to "Warriors?"
Let's all try showing our Marquette pride by referring to the Golden Eagles as "Golden Eagles."
Agreed?
Great!
It has been years and years now since the US dollar was actually backed by something, and the administration changed the name from "Full Faith and Credit" to the inspirational "Quantitative Easing 5". Let's all give a Golden rah-rah (pun intended) for rampant money printing and dollar devaluation. It's high time we all show our American pride by referring to these dollars as, uh, "near non-reserve status paper."......Agreed?
Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? That's b/c it IS..now STFU!!
I graduated a Golden Eagle. Proud of the name. Still wish I could have graduated a Warrior. I like to think there is a happy medium.
Oh and I definitely agree with Eldon. Much prefer the regal Eagle to the cartoony one we have now
Well...safe to say the Warriors name may have fared better in the meme tournament had this thread been made a week ago. Hoopaloop really dodged a bullet.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 10, 2015, 05:29:59 AM
Well...safe to say the Warriors name may have fared better in the meme tournament had this thread been made a week ago. Hoopaloop really dodged a bullet.
"Twenty-two years" for next year's watch list!
imagine if the Chicago Cubs organization sold the renaming rights to Wrigley Field.
Maybe it would be known as Ask Angie's Park. Just a guess here, but the new name may not be accepted by all. Some would even have the gall to still refer to it as Wrigley, which one may argue, hurts the Cubs new brand by referring to the old relic of a name.
After time has passed, one may even post that the days of using Wrigley should be over. That fights been lost. It's the "Big Ang". Accept it. Embrace it.
The idea that I will ever refer to my alma mater as the "Golden Eagles" is ridiculous.
Quote from: chapman on May 09, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
I'm fine with it. Just that we seem to be more of the nothings, unless using a lame logo on kid's t-shirts. If they actually used the name, maybe it would get somewhere. Hiding it in shame is even worse than forcing it on people. Take the name and own it. Not like there are ten other high level schools with the same name like Wildcats or Bulldogs, just three forgettable ones. And just use an image instead of a cartoon logo to actually show the beast.
They did that for many years. It was ignored and ridiculed and lead to the Gold-related disaster and the bumblef*ck that followed. Eventually they may bring back Golden Eagles in a more prominent way, but now they are just laying low. That is a good thing.
Quote from: chapman on May 09, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
I'm fine with it. Just that we seem to be more of the nothings, unless using a lame logo on kid's t-shirts. If they actually used the name, maybe it would get somewhere. Hiding it in shame is even worse than forcing it on people. Take the name and own it. Not like there are ten other high level schools with the same name like Wildcats or Bulldogs, just three forgettable ones. And just use an image instead of a cartoon logo to actually show the beast.
(http://www.vertebratejournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Photograph-by-Murdo-Macleod.jpg)
Yeah--that cartoon logo and cartoon Golden Eagle mascot will anger the Jihadists because they are disrespectful and offensive. MU deserves what they get if they keep offending like that. They have no right to be disrespect the Jihadist Eagle purists.
Marquette Warriors - replace the chicken with a fleur-de-lis.
Name Joan of Arc Occupation Warrior, Military Leader Birth Date c. 1412 Death Date May 30, 1431 Place of Birth Domremy, France Place of Death Rouen, France AKA St Joan of Arc Joan of Arc Name Saint Joan of Arc Jeanne d'Arc
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on May 10, 2015, 08:13:54 AM
The idea that I will ever refer to my alma mater as the "Golden Eagles" is ridiculous.
Amen, bro. That's all I was trying to convey with that name change/ dollar devaluation analogy. They've taken something that was pure, "wholesome" as Al liked to say, and watered it down, cheapened it, and made it harder to rally around. And now someone is telling me I'm supposed to embrace it?
Went to MU from 98-03 and then again to 05. The idea that the University ran a legitimate program around the nickname is laughable. I went to one of the "Gold" open sessions and pointed out to Father Wild that if they were so concerned about the nickname Warriors that they need to change our Seal. It could be interpreted as Father Marquette telling that poor Indian which way to row the canoe. Got some lame political response because he couldn't really defend the difference between the two. Thought they were setting a terrible precedent that if anyone is offended, then they would need to wipe out the history of the University.
Also, if the Jesuits are so worried about the nickname, then they need to get down to St. Louis and have their brethren cleanup their own house. Having an idol as a mascot (the Bilikin) seems like a more grievous issue than allowing the University to have any reference to "war" in their nickname.
They had a prime opportunity to unite the University around Warriors using St. Joan of Arc as our mascot. What a nod to the feminists and diversity worriers that would have been. You would have everyone happy all at once.
Kinda sad and pathetic how they ran the whole campaign from start to end. Left a sour taste in my mouth. Hard to support an institution that disregards major swaths of its alumni.
Quote from: MU Avenue on May 09, 2015, 11:32:52 AM
If you need to make this about winning or losing, I guess I have won. The nickname is "Golden Eagles." Check your program.
Questions for those here who are so argumentative and defensive on this topic: You all went to Marquette? When? And why so unwilling to consider other viewpoints?
Quote from: Dan on May 10, 2015, 09:21:02 AM
Marquette Warriors - replace the chicken with a fleur-de-lis.
Name Joan of Arc Occupation Warrior, Military Leader Birth Date c. 1412 Death Date May 30, 1431 Place of Birth Domremy, France Place of Death Rouen, France AKA St Joan of Arc Joan of Arc Name Saint Joan of Arc Jeanne d'Arc
Fleur-de-Lis???
Q. Why did the French plant trees along the Champs Elysees?
A. So the Germans could march in the shade.
Q: How can you identify a French Infantryman?
A: Sunburned armpits.
Q: How many gears does a French tank have?
A: 4 reverse and 1 forward, in case the Germans attack from the rear.
French Army rifle for sale. Never fired. Only dropped once.
Q: What do you call a Frenchman advancing on Baghdad?
A: A salesman
Q: Why is good to be French?
A: You can surrender at the beginning of the war, and let the US win it for you.
Q: What does the new French flag look like?
A: A white Fleur-de-Lis emblazoned on a white background!
Q: Why do the French never perform "the wave" at a soccer game?
A: Because, that's a gesture reserved for use only in time of war.
Q: What does "Maginot Line" mean in French?
A: "Speed bump"
Q: How do you get a French waiter's attention?
A: Start ordering in German.
The French have only one actual fighting war hero, Joan of Arc, and they turned her over to the enemy!
A man asks his buddy, "What's the most common French expression"? The friend scratches his head, shrugs his shoulders and replies, "I give up!"
^These French jokes are funny and all, but without France, the Queen is on the $1 (cf. Canada)
Mother's Day brunch at a German restaurant this AM (Affäre - not bad by KC standards). 8 year old wanted to order French Toast, I convinced him they call it Victory Bread in German restaurants.......waitress didn't get it :-[
Quote from: Balrogs on May 10, 2015, 02:14:50 PM
Also, if the Jesuits are so worried about the nickname, then they need to get down to St. Louis and have their brethren cleanup their own house. Having an idol as a mascot (the Bilikin) seems like a more grievous issue than allowing the University to have any reference to "war" in their nickname.
Nothing to do with war references. Everything to do with 4ever's avatar and Willie Warrior's namesake
Quote from: Balrogs on May 10, 2015, 02:14:50 PM
Went to MU from 98-03 and then again to 05. The idea that the University ran a legitimate program around the nickname is laughable. I went to one of the "Gold" open sessions and pointed out to Father Wild that if they were so concerned about the nickname Warriors that they need to change our Seal. It could be interpreted as Father Marquette telling that poor Indian which way to row the canoe. Got some lame political response because he couldn't really defend the difference between the two. Thought they were setting a terrible precedent that if anyone is offended, then they would need to wipe out the history of the University.
Also, if the Jesuits are so worried about the nickname, then they need to get down to St. Louis and have their brethren cleanup their own house. Having an idol as a mascot (the Bilikin) seems like a more grievous issue than allowing the University to have any reference to "war" in their nickname.
They had a prime opportunity to unite the University around Warriors using St. Joan of Arc as our mascot. What a nod to the feminists and diversity worriers that would have been. You would have everyone happy all at once.
Kinda sad and pathetic how they ran the whole campaign from start to end. Left a sour taste in my mouth. Hard to support an institution that disregards major swaths of its alumni.
as a former student worker at the MU telethon, I'll say that nearly all lame "hard to support a univeristy that [insert something about the nickname] donated at most $25 at any time. All donations count, but the largest complainers were those who would make the least difference. Just say you don't like supporting your alma mater and take responsibility for your own choices.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on May 09, 2015, 09:56:00 AM
Thanks, MU Avenue. So, so much.
Bring Ners back and ban MU Avenue! No teal needed.
The PC crowd can stick it up where the sun don't shine.
Shame on you and me, it's Mother's Day weekend!
Go Warriors.
Maybe get the guys who did the Bucks logo re-design to see what they can come up with for MU?
I remember that any name having any reference to "war" struck off the eligibility list. My memory is foggy, but I remember the explanation was that war did not align with Jesuit values. I remember several folks advocating for "War Eagles" to blend the two.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 10, 2015, 04:10:44 PM
Nothing to do with war references. Everything to do with 4ever's avatar and Willie Warrior's namesake
In general, why do you think folks that feel slapped in the face are going to be the ones to come through with more sizable contributions? When an organization tells me that my opinion isn't worth consideration, I'm super motivated to donate to them. For instance, I donate to political leaders that disrespect me all the time and in larger amounts the more disregard they have for me.
That's why I brought up the process issue because I think that many felt slighted by the process - both times from some of my discussion with older alumni. I think that if the board & administration had handled it better, there would be less issue with it going forward. I think that the Warrior group just wants the name and would be more than happy to separate it from the previous mascot. But to say that's an impossibility is just nonsense.
Quote from: Grayson Allen on May 10, 2015, 05:47:52 PM
as a former student worker at the MU telethon, I'll say that nearly all lame "hard to support a univeristy that [insert something about the nickname] donated at most $25 at any time. All donations count, but the largest complainers were those who would make the least difference. Just say you don't like supporting your alma mater and take responsibility for your own choices.
Quote from: Grayson Allen on May 10, 2015, 05:47:52 PM
as a former student worker at the MU telethon, I'll say that nearly all lame "hard to support a univeristy that [insert something about the nickname] donated at most $25 at any time. All donations count, but the largest complainers were those who would make the least difference. Just say you don't like supporting your alma mater and take responsibility for your own choices.
People who choose to contribute less because of the nickname debacle - and who tell you so -
are taking responsibility for their choices. Pretty simple concept.
Quote from: jesmu84 on May 10, 2015, 06:30:22 PM
Maybe get the guys who did the Bucks logo re-design to see what they can come up with for MU?
No thanks. It looks like it was made in Microsoft Paint.
Quote from: naginiF on May 10, 2015, 03:42:59 PM
Mother's Day brunch at a German restaurant this AM (Affäre - not bad by KC standards). 8 year old wanted to order French Toast, I convinced him they call it Victory Bread in German restaurants.......waitress didn't get it :-[
At the Hurlburt Field Commissary they had a coffee bean dispenser. For years, people kept covering the "French" in French Roast with tape saying "Victory" or "Freedom." This went on unabated week after week and was a fixture in the AFB food shopping experience.
One time at McChord I saw the sales rep replacing the signage for French Roast so I asked her about the whole thing. She said she thought it was funny but the company didn't think so as it was happening in every AAFES commissary in the world. I asked her to suggest that the company change the name from "French" to either "Freedom" or "Victory" which she thought was a great idea. They never did, of course. Chicken sh1ts.
Quote from: Balrogs on May 10, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
In general, why do you think folks that feel slapped in the face are going to be the ones to come through with more sizable contributions? When an organization tells me that my opinion isn't worth consideration, I'm super motivated to donate to them. For instance, I donate to political leaders that disrespect me all the time and in larger amounts the more disregard they have for me.
That's why I brought up the process issue because I think that many felt slighted by the process - both times from some of my discussion with older alumni. I think that if the board & administration had handled it better, there would be less issue with it going forward. I think that the Warrior group just wants the name and would be more than happy to separate it from the previous mascot. But to say that's an impossibility is just nonsense.
Bingo.
The Jesuits love nothing better than feigning interest in alumni opinion when they've already made their decisions. When my high school was supposedly "considering the possibility" of going coed the jebbies put on an extensive dog and pony show. There were meetings with alumni, surveys of alumni and finally a "vote" of the alumni. They valued our opinion and wanted us as partners in the decision making process. UNTIL it became clear that what the alumni wanted was in conflict with what they had already decided. Then they patted us on the head and dismissed us. Same thing at MU. "We care about what you think. We'll put it to a vote! As long as we get to tell you what you can and can't vote for." What a crock of paternalistic BS.
Quote from: Grayson Allen on May 10, 2015, 05:47:52 PM
as a former student worker at the MU telethon, I'll say that nearly all lame "hard to support a univeristy that [insert something about the nickname] donated at most $25 at any time. All donations count, but the largest complainers were those who would make the least difference. Just say you don't like supporting your alma mater and take responsibility for your own choices.
Those who donate more likely have stronger feelings about the institution, and aren't going to get something like the change of an athletic nickname get in the way of those feelings. This is why I oftentimes downplay controversies, such as the McAdams firing, because in my anecdotal experience, it costs you "fringe" donations like you mention - but *usually* don't have significant impact on those who write really big checks.
As keefe has mentioned however, repeated poor decisions can give large donors pause over the quality of leadership and governance, but single controversies rarely have significant impact.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on May 10, 2015, 08:11:31 AM
imagine if the Chicago Cubs organization sold the renaming rights to Wrigley Field.
Maybe it would be known as Ask Angie's Park. Just a guess here, but the new name may not be accepted by all. Some would even have the gall to still refer to it as Wrigley, which one may argue, hurts the Cubs new brand by referring to the old relic of a name.
After time has passed, one may even post that the days of using Wrigley should be over. That fights been lost. It's the "Big Ang". Accept it. Embrace it.
I understand the White Sox do not have the same following as the Cubs, but this exact scenario played out on the South Side.
People were pissed when Comiskey was changed to US Cellular. Eventually, the new nickname, "The Cell," caught on, and now you hear close to no one still refer to it as Comiskey. Everything worked out fine.
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on May 11, 2015, 10:25:38 AM
I understand the White Sox do not have the same following as the Cubs, but this exact scenario played out on the South Side.
People were pissed when Comiskey was changed to US Cellular. Eventually, the new nickname, "The Cell," caught on, and now you hear close to no one still refer to it as Comiskey. Everything worked out fine.
You are correct, but I can provide another example where locals still refuse to acknowledge a renaming...the Waveland Avenue Golf Course. Politicians decided to name it after a politically connected judge (?) named Sydney Marovitz. Literally nobody calls it Sydney Marovitz...it's absurd. Everybody calls it Waveland and, last time I was there they sold Waveland Avenue caps.
Horribly conditioned course, by the way. It could be a real gem with a little work.
Quote from: Balrogs on May 10, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
I remember that any name having any reference to "war" struck off the eligibility list. My memory is foggy, but I remember the explanation was that war did not align with Jesuit values.
Because St. Ignatius had nothing to do with war?
When I was at Georgetown Prep we called the Jesuits "Christ's Commandos"
There is a reason Himmler modeled the SS after the Society of Jesus
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 11, 2015, 09:01:52 AM
Bingo.
The Jesuits love nothing better than feigning interest in alumni opinion when they've already made their decisions. When my high school was supposedly "considering the possibility" of going coed the jebbies put on an extensive dog and pony show. There were meetings with alumni, surveys of alumni and finally a "vote" of the alumni. They valued our opinion and wanted us as partners in the decision making process. UNTIL it became clear that what the alumni wanted was in conflict with what they had already decided. Then they patted us on the head and dismissed us. Same thing at MU. "We care about what you think. We'll put it to a vote! As long as we get to tell you what you can and can't vote for." What a crock of paternalistic BS.
What do you expect?
We're Catholic.
Democracy and the Catholic Church have been at odds since July 4, 1776. Some things never change!
Was a senior when DiUlio made the unilateral decision to change the name. The vote between Lightning and Golden Eagles was farcical at best and I still have the senior year t-shirt mocking it.
As for donating, I simply choose to earmark specifically to my college and/or student organizations I participated in (MUTV/Trib/WMUR). I have a Warrior tattoo with no regrets.
I don't buy things that have the Golden Eagles logo. I'm good with a simple "We Are Marquette" chant. I will not give the "back in my day" speech to the new kids and young alums.
I hope the nickname doesn't change at any point in the rest of my lifetime because I would prefer not to see another legendary "Gold" screw-up (as a sportswriter, I got a sufficient amount of good-natured crap among my media brethren). The current graphic they use for the sports teams for television purposes is about as good as it gets because it has no tie-in to "Golden Eagles."
Thus, simply keeping the status quo is fine.
I say this every single time that this argument comes up. In the movie Miracle Herb yells the name on the front of the jersey is a heck of a lot more important than the one on the back. Our jersies say Marquette, not warriors or golden eagles or Hilltoppers or golden avalanche or just gold so what does it matter? We have a good tradition as Golden Eagles, a better one as Warriors but a great one overall.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 11, 2015, 01:50:39 PM
You are correct, but I can provide another example where locals still refuse to acknowledge a renaming...the Waveland Avenue Golf Course. Politicians decided to name it after a politically connected judge (?) named Sydney Marovitz. Literally nobody calls it Sydney Marovitz...it's absurd. Everybody calls it Waveland and, last time I was there they sold Waveland Avenue caps.
Horribly conditioned course, by the way. It could be a real gem with a little work.
Hell, I refuse to call Rivers "Doc." I knew him as Glenn in college!
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2015, 10:49:26 PM
Hell, I refuse to call Rivers "Doc." I knew him as Glenn in college!
Talked to a cousin of mine who attended MU during Doc's era. My cuz tended bar at Major Goolsby's and manned the podium at McCormick Hall. He said that Glenn was an even better guy than he is portrayed as. He said that Doc was about as true a student-athlete as there can be. Doc would often close the library and then chat with my cousin at that same "Beer Can" podium for over an hour. Didn't have any sense of Athletic entitlement, just wanted to be a regular student, albeit one with some hoops skills. And so intelligent that my cousin, who went on to be a Bay Area Fox Sports executive producer, felt he couldn't keep up with Doc's conversations.
Quote from: ShootinOutWallsofHeartach on May 11, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Talked to a cousin of mine who attended MU during Doc's era. My cuz tended bar at Major Goolsby's and manned the podium at McCormick Hall. He said that Glenn was an even better guy than he is portrayed as. He said that Doc was about as true a student-athlete as there can be. Doc would often close the library and then chat with my cousin at that same "Beer Can" podium for over an hour. Didn't have any sense of Athletic entitlement, just wanted to be a regular student, albeit one with some hoops skills. And so intelligent that my cousin, who went on to be a Bay Area Fox Sports executive producer, felt he couldn't keep up with Doc's conversations.
Glenn always will be my favorite MU hoopster because I knew him well as a person. Just a class act.
I am rooting for his Clippers to win it all. And though I've never liked the Celtics, I was very happy for him a few years ago when he won the title.
Rivers was a very good college player and would have been great had his coaches known how to take advantage of his talent better. Neither Raymonds nor Majerus let him do his thing often enough.
His half-courter against ND is my all-time favorite in-person MU memory and I cannot imagine it ever being topped.
Surprising fact: Glenn and I took Charlie Nader's team sports class together ... and he was an amazingly bad volleyball player. Though he could jump through the stratosphere and was a superior athlete in every way, for some reason he couldn't get the hang of volleyball. It was pretty funny that I was better than him at an athletic endeavor -- and believe me, I never let him forget it!