Damn. Buzz really effed that one up.
I don't post often, but was just thinking same.
Thinking the same thing, he's got a motor Wojo would love
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 17, 2015, 09:43:20 PM
Damn. Buzz really effed that one up.
My understanding was that he chafed at Buzz's focus on being on time. I know some people said it was more position related and that may have been partially true. But I think bottom line was he not willing to sign up for Buzz style discipline.
It is too bad because he would have made a huge difference both last year and this year.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 17, 2015, 09:58:55 PM
My understanding was that he chafed at Buzz's focus on being on time. I know some people said it was more position related and that may have been partially true. But I think bottom line was he not willing to sign up for Buzz style discipline.
It is too bad because he would have made a huge difference both last year and this year.
I'm fairly confident in saying your understanding is off here.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 17, 2015, 10:12:09 PM
I'm fairly confident in saying your understanding is off here.
So what is your view of what happened?
Doing it on both ends too...man can he run the floor. Painful to watch him knowing what could have been
I thought the same thing. Wow this guys got some skills
Quote from: Texas Western on January 17, 2015, 10:14:45 PM
So what is your view of what happened?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40160.0
It's not a view. It's what happened.
Looking at that thread is funny. Some people in that thread ate their words really quickly, and never responded to it again. I suggest you learn from their mistakes on this one.
Would definitely help our current team with his activity and shot blocking but I feel he needs a good cast around him as well.
He gets set up a lot and we know how our guards feed Luke. He is also an absolute brick layer at the line.
Would definitely help us, but his role as a 6th man on a team like ISU is what suits him.
Another one of the phony cowboy's shining personnel moves.
My understanding was that Jameel thought he was going to be a starting forward. First practice, Oxtule are set up as the starting forwards and McKay was assigned to be the back up center. This did not sit well. Personally, I thought starting Gardner and Otule was the worst decision Buzz made last year. He took something that had worked magically for one half in one game and tried to build a season around it. It screwed up the offense he had run for 5 years, sucked defensively, and basically disrupted the flow of the season. When he gave it up, the damage had been done. And it drove McKay away.
Quote from: tower912 on January 18, 2015, 07:34:03 AM
My understanding was that Jameel thought he was going to be a starting forward. First practice, Oxtule are set up as the starting forwards and McKay was assigned to be the back up center. This did not sit well. Personally, I thought starting Gardner and Otule was the worst decision Buzz made last year. He took something that had worked magically for one half in one game and tried to build a season around it. It screwed up the offense he had run for 5 years, sucked defensively, and basically disrupted the flow of the season. When he gave it up, the damage had been done. And it drove McKay away.
Furthermore, the opponent it worked against (Syracuse), completely adjusted to it in the E8 game. (Not that it took John Wooden to figure out how to adjust to it.) Really who looks at Davante's game and says "that guy is a power forward?"
He was a big loss and believe his situation was mishandled by the former coach.
Quote from: Goose on January 18, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
He was a big loss and believe his situation was mishandled by the former coach.
Goose, what drove him away?
Quote from: Goose on January 18, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
He was a big loss and believe his situation was mishandled by the former coach.
Pretty sure there was more than one coach involved in his departure.
Anyone ever hear the rumor that the admin (Fr. Wild back in charge) pushed Jameel out? As in they had a no juco epiphany mid semester...
It's one of my favorite rumors. And that's saying something.
Quote from: tower912 on January 18, 2015, 07:34:03 AM
My understanding was that Jameel thought he was going to be a starting forward. First practice, Oxtule are set up as the starting forwards and McKay was assigned to be the back up center. This did not sit well. Personally, I thought starting Gardner and Otule was the worst decision Buzz made last year. He took something that had worked magically for one half in one game and tried to build a season around it. It screwed up the offense he had run for 5 years, sucked defensively, and basically disrupted the flow of the season. When he gave it up, the damage had been done. And it drove McKay away.
Pretty spot on.
Quote from: tower912 on January 18, 2015, 07:34:03 AM
My understanding was that Jameel thought he was going to be a starting forward.
Changed it up a little with assigning a forward. The one recruit of the Buzz era who didn't proclaim he was slated to be the starting shooting guard. :P
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2015, 09:40:02 AM
Anyone ever hear the rumor that the admin (Fr. Wild back in charge) pushed Jameel out? As in they had a no juco epiphany mid semester...
It's one of my favorite rumors. And that's saying something.
Yeah, that would be consistent with the nothing was Buzz's fault, he was a stud coach apologists narrative.
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2015, 09:40:02 AM
Anyone ever hear the rumor that the admin (Fr. Wild back in charge) pushed Jameel out? As in they had a no juco epiphany mid semester...
It's one of my favorite rumors. And that's saying something.
I can't imagine a college president changing rules mid semester.
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 12 hours ago
Hard not to see how different Iowa State is this year with a rim protector like Jameel McKay. Was the key in Cyclones' win over Kansas.
Quote from: tower912 on January 18, 2015, 09:57:44 AM
I can't imagine a college president changing rules mid semester.
Or on his first day back.
Quote from: The Lens on January 18, 2015, 09:40:02 AM
Anyone ever hear the rumor that the admin (Fr. Wild back in charge) pushed Jameel out? As in they had a no juco epiphany mid semester...
It's one of my favorite rumors. And that's saying something.
From what I've heard, there were really two parties that led to it. Buzz's redshirt comment coupled with Jameel needing to compete for PT (but likely starting behind incumbents like Juan and Steve in the pecking order) is on the former coach. Jameel being told he had to be a star from day one is on the voices that were in his ear.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 18, 2015, 10:34:01 AM
From what I've heard, there were really two parties that led to it. Buzz's redshirt comment coupled with Jameel needing to compete for PT (but likely starting behind incumbents like Juan and Steve in the pecking order) is on the former coach. Jameel being told he had to be a star from day one is on the voices that were in his ear.
Those voices may have been more accurate than Buzz.
I know the mid season transfer eligility rules and they have been discussed here an incredible amount of times, so we don't have to go over those again, but I am trying to remember what McKay's situation was. McKay was a 2 year JUCO player, right? So he was coming into MU with junior status and eligible to play immediately. Since he used a scholarship at MU despite never even being on the roster by the time the regular season kicked off, technically last year would have counted as his junior year's eligibility for the first semester at Marquette, right? And then technically this season, starting when he became eligible at the end of the fall semester, would have been considered McKay's senior season? But he must have been granted a waiver to regain a year of eligibility since he decided to transfer/leave MU's basketball program a couple of days into the official start of practice?
Or is this all wrong and he came in after 1 year of JUCO and had a sophomore eligibility status and used up that year at MU and is now playing his junior year with this season's ISU team?
I believe it's the first scenario.
Your first scenario is accurate, but he redshirted last year. No need for a waiver.
He played two years at JUCO, and his early commitment allowed Marquette to help guide him through classes that would bring him here in good academic standing. You have five years to complete four years of eligibility, we all know that, and it would seem the sitting out would count as a year of eligibility since he couldn't play until second semester. Pretty sure he'd need a waiver to play another year after this one, but Jay Bee is probably better suited to answer this one.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 18, 2015, 10:40:01 AM
Your first scenario is accurate, but he redshirted last year. No need for a waiver.
Ahh got it. So had he realized he was the backup center after 2 regular season games he wouldn't have been able to be considered a redshirt and thus would've used the junior year of eligibility unless granted a waiver. That's interesting that he technically was making the decision to sit out a year already so the NCAA allows him to include 1 of those semesters in the 1 year time he has to sit for transferring. I'm surprised an organization as ridiculous as the NCAA is with many things doesn't make him sit his entire redshirt season and then sit an entire transfer season separately.
His waiver was denied this summer...
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/22/iowa-state-forward-jameel-mckay-denied-wavier-eligible-to-play-in-december/
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Those voices may have been more accurate than Buzz.
Unfortunately, that's probably true. One of the more bizarre situations in MU history.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 18, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
Pretty sure there was more than one coach involved in his departure.
Can we just all agree that that AAU coach is, at least slightly, scummy?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 18, 2015, 10:35:25 AM
Those voices may have been more accurate than Buzz.
Yeah but were they?
He is a back up with ISU. That is why he is so successful. He is the energizer or spark of the bench on a really strong team that is lacking what he brings.
Again, I would love to have him but he is in his perfect role right now and it looks like it is pretty similar to what Buzz had him in.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 18, 2015, 11:59:57 AM
Can we just all agree that that AAU coach is, at least slightly, scummy?
I'd agree with everything except the "slightly" part ;)
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 18, 2015, 12:03:19 PM
Yeah but were they?
He is a back up with ISU. That is why he is so successful. He is the energizer or spark of the bench on a really strong team that is lacking what he brings.
Again, I would love to have him but he is in his perfect role right now and it looks like it is pretty similar to what Buzz had him in.
Do you think he regrets the transfer? I wouldn't.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 18, 2015, 12:26:45 PM
Do you think he regrets the transfer? I wouldn't.
No but that isn't what we are saying.
He ultimately ended up in the same role and that is clearly the role he strives in.
As Bilas said there is not much meat there but he is a spark off the bench with his shot blocking and energy. He doesn't have much of an individual game either.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 18, 2015, 12:39:48 PM
He ultimately ended up in the same role and that is clearly the role he strives in.
But on a much better team, backing up guys in his mind who are worthy of backing up. Here, Buzz had STJ ahead of him.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on January 18, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
But on a much better team, backing up guys in his mind who are worthy of backing up. Here, Buzz had STJ ahead of him.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on January 18, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
But on a much better team, backing up guys in his mind who are worthy of backing up. Here, Buzz had STJ ahead of him.
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He is playing center at ISU, same position he did want to play at MU. If he knew Fisher was coming to MU maybe he would have stayed if Buzz moved him to power forward. He is a very active big man that I have seen but can he shoot more than a one footer. MU would really have been good on D.
Part of the reason he transferred from what I heard was he wants to play in the NBA and did not think playing C at MU would get him there. Given he lack of offensive skills, I don't think playing at ISU will make any difference. Either place, he would be a rim protector and energy guy.
Yeah, I had him projected to be marquette's top player last year ahead of jamil and davante. But I had people tell me he didn't look that good - too thin etc. I still believe if he had stayed and we hadwe had both Wilson's to give completely different looks at point we would have avoided the lost year.
It's tough to tell if Buzz was right or not. We have no idea the jump he made in his red shirt year. He may have improved tremendously.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 18, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
Yeah, I had him projected to be marquette's top player last year ahead of jamil and davante. But I had people tell me he didn't look that good - too thin etc. I still believe if he had stayed and we hadwe had both Wilson's to give completely different looks at point we would have avoided the lost year.
I agree. He was a beast in the Juco ranks and looks quite similar now.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 19, 2015, 11:08:27 AM
It's tough to tell if Buzz was right or not. We have no idea the jump he made in his red shirt year. He may have improved tremendously.
He's the same player he was in JUCO. High energy, high effort guy who rebounds like a man possessed and jumps out of the gym. Finishes close to the rim and not much else.
I think the phrase 'Rodman-type' was bandied about.
McKay wants to be a broad?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 19, 2015, 11:53:53 AM
He's the same player he was in JUCO. High energy, high effort guy who rebounds like a man possessed and jumps out of the gym. Finishes close to the rim and not much else.
Gotcha. Thanks for the rundown. I haven't seen him play this year, but remember him not being super impressive in the Pro-Am. Granted that's not really an environment to make that kind of judgement.
Last year, we needed three or four wins we didn't get to even have a shot at the NCAA. Maybe Jameel could have made the difference, but could he have made THAT much difference. The problem last year was we could not shoot from outside and we seemed to lack cohesion as a team. I am not sure Jameel would have changed either.
The fact was that Buzz seemed to have lost the team about this time a year ago. It was tough going anyway without Vander and Todd didn't step up in the way we had hoped he would. Our freshmen were not there, Derrick was almost dared to shoot from anywhere outside eight feet and Duane, who might have made a difference, was red-shirted. Maybe Jameel and Duane could have combined for three or four wins, but that's total speculation.
Let's move on and wish Jameel the best -- just not TOO good!
Quote from: wadesworld on January 19, 2015, 11:53:53 AM
He's the same player he was in JUCO. High energy, high effort guy who rebounds like a man possessed and jumps out of the gym. Finishes close to the rim and not much else.
Yep. Great role player, but not a guy to build around. He's helped big time by ISU's talent level.
People forget that if Jameel stayed, we probably don't get Gabe Levin.
Uh...nevermind.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 19, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
Last year, we needed three or four wins we didn't get to even have a shot at the NCAA. Maybe Jameel could have made the difference, but could he have made THAT much difference. The problem last year was we could not shoot from outside and we seemed to lack cohesion as a team. I am not sure Jameel would have changed either.
The fact was that Buzz seemed to have lost the team about this time a year ago. It was tough going anyway without Vander and Todd didn't step up in the way we had hoped he would. Our freshmen were not there, Derrick was almost dared to shoot from anywhere outside eight feet and Duane, who might have made a difference, was red-shirted. Maybe Jameel and Duane could have combined for three or four wins, but that's total speculation.
Let's move on and wish Jameel the best -- just not TOO good!
Honestly yeah. I think so. We finished 9-9 in conference.
We lost back to back OT thrillers to Prov and SJU. Those would be wins really with any even moderate postivite addition. That right there probably puts us in the tourney 11-7? tough to ignore.
If not. We barely lost to X in first round of the BE tourney so right there.
People forget that while last year was certainly a debacle...we had many, many, many close games that we just couldn't pull out one way or another.
ASU, SDSU, Nova at home etc.. Heck we made the Wisco game close without Mayo.
Sadly, this year is shaping up the same...close but no cigar in many games.
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 59 minutes ago
Iowa State's Jameel McKay in five Big 12 games: 9.0 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 3.4 BPG, 23.2 MPG. The motor NEVER STOPS. Impact addition for Cyclones.
When McKay signed with MU, I think nobody was really thinking about a 6th year for Otule. The assumption was that he would be done. Starting frontcourt of McKay, Gardner, and Jamil, with STjr, Juan, and Deonte coming off of the bench. Chris returned and instead of McKay starting, Buzz wanted him to red shirt. And if not, he was going to be on the bench not seeing minutes while Otule/Gardner started at the 4/5. McKay arrived, did not see the playing time that he wanted, and left.
Having watched McKay a few times now, there is no way he wouldn't have deserved significant minutes last year (not saying he would have gotten them), and likely would have changed the complexion of the team. There is no way they would have been as lethargic as they were at times with his energy out there. Something about the way the guy plays, and even the look with the hair flying around, is exciting and seems to generate energy. That was a huge loss. It appears the move will work out best for McKay though, he will be a key cog on a team with legitimate Final 4 hopes this year. It's tough to watch and wonder what might have been, but that's the current climate of college hoops. I hope it works out as well for Deonte.
I sure missed on my evaluation McKay, as I didn't think a whole lot of him, other than athletic potential. However, he may not have had a great impact on our team last year since we had no shooters and teams packed the lane. He would have had bodies on him all the time and he didn't have the strength/size to overcome last year. He would have helped, but I'm not sure how much given the other talent we had inside.
Is it true that Buzz wanted to red shirt him and this was part of wanting to leave? I heard that, but I don't know if it was true.
A shooter last year would have had a big impact on last years team.
It is my understanding that Buzz wanted him to redshirt and that main reason for his departure.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
It is my understanding that Buzz wanted him to redshirt and that main reason for his departure.
If that is the case, then it still is a shining example of Buzz's great personnel moves. The guy obviously chose to redshirt somewhere else and not put up with the Buzzster.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
It is my understanding that Buzz wanted him to redshirt and that main reason for his departure.
Another example of Buzz having not checked out prior to the season. FWIW, he tried to get Steve to take a medical redshirt. IMO, at the beginning of last season, Buzz thought he could be successful with Otule and Gardner starting and both playing 25+ minutes a game, alongside Jamil up front with his 35 minutes. He asked McKay and Taylor to redshirt, as he didn't think he could find minutes for them and they would be a year stronger (and healed) for this season. And then it all fell apart.
Part of me thinks that Gardner wanting to play the four is what set last season going downhill. Buzz gave him a chance, but in the end it did not really work. Playing Gardner at 4 in practice resulted in McKay playing center in practice, which led to McKay transferring. I do not think we would of lost McKay, if Gardner had been told he was playing center. However, I cannot really blame Buzz for giving a senior a chance, but somehow he should of got the message to McKay from day 1 that he would be playing forward and not center.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2015, 09:36:22 AM
It is my understanding that Buzz wanted him to redshirt and that main reason for his departure.
Interesting. Do you know if it was because Buzz wanted to save him for later? Or was it an administration decision to try and make sure that McKay was caught up academically coming from a juco?
TAMU
My understanding was a Buzz decision. That said, do not know behind the scenes on the topic. Regardless I do not think the idea was well received. Now two former Milwaukee kids are ISU and wish both were here.
Quote from: bilsu on January 21, 2015, 12:35:06 PM
Part of me thinks that Gardner wanting to play the four is what set last season going downhill. Buzz gave him a chance, but in the end it did not really work. Playing Gardner at 4 in practice resulted in McKay playing center in practice, which led to McKay transferring. I do not think we would of lost McKay, if Gardner had been told he was playing center. However, I cannot really blame Buzz for giving a senior a chance, but somehow he should of got the message to McKay from day 1 that he would be playing forward and not center.
If Vander and McKay stay, our line up/minutes distribution can look like this:
PG: Derrick 20, Vander 20
2G: Todd 25, Vander 15
3 : Juan 15, Deonte 15, Jamil 10
4 : Jamil 20, McKay 20
5 : Davante 25, Otule 15
That's a top 15 team capable of winning the Big East. Sub out Vander and Jameel for Thomas, Dawson and Steve Taylor Jr (with a sprinkling of JJJ) and you've got a train wreck. Buzz the GM was caught with his pants down on Vander. Buzz the coach miscalculated on Davante being able to play the 4 - probably was too loyal. Ultimately it falls (and should fall) on him. But all the other crap (checking out, not trying to win, etc.) is just that - crap.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2015, 01:20:40 PM
If Vander and McKay stay, our line up/minutes distribution can look like this:
PG: Derrick 20, Vander 20
2G: Todd 25, Vander 15
3 : Juan 15, Deonte 15, Jamil 10
4 : Jamil 20, McKay 20
5 : Davante 25, Otule 15
That's a top 15 team capable of winning the Big East. Sub out Vander and Jameel for Thomas, Dawson and Steve Taylor Jr (with a sprinkling of JJJ) and you've got a train wreck. Buzz the GM was caught with his pants down on Vander. Buzz the coach miscalculated on Davante being able to play the 4 - probably was too loyal. Ultimately it falls (and should fall) on him. But all the other crap (checking out, not trying to win, etc.) is just that - crap.
Buzz also should be blamed for not having adequate back ups at the guard positions. Jamail Jones, TJ Taylor and Jamal Ferguson were all clear mistakes that sapped depth.
Yes-ish. He had Duane, JJJ, and Dawson coming in. None of them panned out the way he probably thought they would. Also, I seem to recall that this was the first time the administration told him 'no' in regards to signing a late JUCO to take Vander's place.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
Yes-ish. He had Duane, JJJ, and Dawson coming in. None of them panned out the way he probably thought they would. Also, I seem to recall that this was the first time the administration told him 'no' in regards to signing a late JUCO to take Vander's place.
Except Jamail Jones and TJ Taylor both transferred before John Dawson and JJJ committed. Simply put, if Buzz doesn't make a mistake, we don't have to take a commit from the likes of Dawson.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 01:25:33 PM
Buzz also should be blamed for not having adequate back ups at the guard positions.
Duane's injury hurt but you're right. The dropoff from Vander to Jake was huge.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2015, 12:42:11 PM
TAMU
My understanding was a Buzz decision. That said, do not know behind the scenes on the topic. Regardless I do not think the idea was well received. Now two former Milwaukee kids are ISU and wish both were here.
It was a Buzz call as I've been told
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
Another example of Buzz having not checked out prior to the season. FWIW, he tried to get Steve to take a medical redshirt. IMO, at the beginning of last season, Buzz thought he could be successful with Otule and Gardner starting and both playing 25+ minutes a game, alongside Jamil up front with his 35 minutes. He asked McKay and Taylor to redshirt, as he didn't think he could find minutes for them and they would be a year stronger (and healed) for this season. And then it all fell apart.
I think Buzz checked out that season, but not until later. The turmoil, with McKay as part of it, is what led to administration actions/opinions plus some new "JUCO rules" turning Buzz off to MU.
Jae Crowder was actually the starting point for the "JUCO issue" that gets thrown around here a lot so it goes way back.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 21, 2015, 03:27:52 PM
The turmoil, with McKay as part of it, is what led to administration actions/opinions plus some new "JUCO rules" turning Buzz off to MU.
Hadn't heard that. My understanding was that Buzz wasn't pleased (and rightfully so) that McKay had to add on a bunch of classes his second year at Indian Hills because MU changed the standards for JUCO transfers.
That's what made the transfer so puzzling. He had to bust his ass to get enough of the right credits to get to MU, only to leave so soon.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 21, 2015, 03:38:37 PM
Hadn't heard that. My understanding was that Buzz wasn't pleased (and rightfully so) that McKay had to add on a bunch of classes his second year at Indian Hills because MU changed the standards for JUCO transfers.
That's what made the transfer so puzzling. He had to bust his ass to get enough of the right credits to get to MU, only to leave so soon.
Standards didn't change, MU took more "control" of the classes because of what happened with Jae.
I think some of the new Juco rules were implemented before McKay even announced that he was going to attend MU. McKay had to take a bunch of credits because MU was no longer going to take Phy Ed credit as part of a transfer. (Which makes some sense without a Phy Ed degree.) But that is the main reason players like Jae aren't close to graduating. It does make we wonder about some of the Jucos we are tracking now.
EDIT: Here is the policy in question. http://www.marquette.edu/explore/transfer/transfer-students-credits.php
"Trade school, job training, military experience, physical education or continuing education courses typically do not transfer."
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 03:45:11 PM
I think some of the new Juco rules were implemented before McKay even announced that he was going to attend MU. McKay had to take a bunch of credits because MU was no longer going to take Phy Ed credit as part of a transfer. (Which makes some sense without a Phy Ed degree.)
I'd have to check, but I think the Phy Ed thing went into effect after he had committed.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 21, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
I'd have to check, but I think the Phy Ed thing went into effect after he had committed.
Yeah I think you are correct now that I look back on it. Its just that McKay committed so early that they had time to work on his credit issue.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 21, 2015, 03:45:11 PM
I think some of the new Juco rules were implemented before McKay even announced that he was going to attend MU. McKay had to take a bunch of credits because MU was no longer going to take Phy Ed credit as part of a transfer. (Which makes some sense without a Phy Ed degree.) But that is the main reason players like Jae aren't close to graduating. It does make we wonder about some of the Jucos we are tracking now.
EDIT: Here is the policy in question. http://www.marquette.edu/explore/transfer/transfer-students-credits.php
"Trade school, job training, military experience, physical education or continuing education courses typically do not transfer."
Jae's transcript was a mess, and I'm not bagging on him, but it took some spit and bailing wire to pull that off and MU just didn't want to have to deal with that and expose the program if they ran too long without a guide rail.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2015, 12:35:21 PM
Interesting. Do you know if it was because Buzz wanted to save him for later? Or was it an administration decision to try and make sure that McKay was caught up academically coming from a juco?
Buzz did not want to redshirt him. However, McKay said he was transferring, because he did not think he was going to play where and as much as he wanted to. My understanding was that Buzz said you have to sit out, if you want to transfer and as long as your willing to sit out, you could redshirt here. It basically, was a last ditch effort to keep McKay.
Whoever wrote Jamal Ferguson, Jamail Jones as Buzz's mistakes, don't forget D J Newbill. Buzz let the convicts
run the show.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 21, 2015, 05:24:10 PM
Whoever wrote Jamal Ferguson, Jamail Jones as Buzz's mistakes, don't forget D J Newbill. Buzz let the convicts
run the show.
Always good to make unsubstantiated claims about teenagers and kids in their early 20s.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on January 21, 2015, 05:24:10 PM
Whoever wrote Jamal Ferguson, Jamail Jones as Buzz's mistakes, don't forget D J Newbill. Buzz let the convicts
run the show.
WTF does this mean?
Jamal Ferguson was the one player that should of got more of a chance to play. All of the Dawson lovers here should consider these stats.
Jamal played 65 minutes. He made 6 out 9 shots and 3-4 free throws for 15 points. He had 9 rebounds, 4 assists and 4 steals. He did have 4 turnovers. He was as fast or faster than Duane Wilson. I was disappointed when he transferred, because he could of turned into a really good player. Of course he was stuck behind Cadougan and DJO (Derrick & Thomas), so he never played after the first few games.
Jamal Ferguson is averaging 3.9 ppg in 10 minutes for a MEAC team. He is hardly getting minutes now that they are in conference. He wasn't a big loss. He committed after his sophomore season and was ranked high, but fell out of the rankings by the time he graduated.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 22, 2015, 09:33:53 AM
Jamal Ferguson is averaging 3.9 ppg in 10 minutes for a MEAC team. He is hardly getting minutes now that they are in conference. He wasn't a big loss. He committed after his sophomore season and was ranked high, but fell out of the rankings by the time he graduated.
Exactly. Bilsu, check out Jamal's game-log for this season.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/61216/jamal-ferguson (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/61216/jamal-ferguson)
Quote from: bilsu on January 22, 2015, 09:25:51 AM
Jamal Ferguson was the one player that should of got more of a chance to play. All of the Dawson lovers here should consider these stats.
Jamal played 65 minutes. He made 6 out 9 shots and 3-4 free throws for 15 points. He had 9 rebounds, 4 assists and 4 steals. He did have 4 turnovers. He was as fast or faster than Duane Wilson. I was disappointed when he transferred, because he could of turned into a really good player. Of course he was stuck behind Cadougan and DJO (Derrick & Thomas), so he never played after the first few games.
He got those stats because he was playing in garbage time against cupcakes. As others have said, check out what he is doing in the MEAC.