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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: rocky_warrior on January 12, 2015, 08:19:44 PM
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It's clear to me that a lot of folks don't like my (our) moderation of the NN thread. Well, you'll have to suck it on that thread. But let us have it here. We're not that sensitive, I just refuse to let you ruin that thread.
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It's clear to me that a lot of folks don't like my (our) moderation of the NN thread. Well, you'll have to suck it on that thread. But let us have it here. We're not that sensitive, I just refuse to let you ruin that thread.
It was ruined by your complete lack of common sense. Pretty pathetic. I have been on this board since damn near day one and the so called freedom judgement line you take is just asinine lately. I guess you love having slanderous claims about minors (and ones who committed to the school you're a "fan" of) just spread throughout MU community on your watch. Big fuc-king guy you are. Way to keep your moral compass strong standing up for those who hide behind screen names. Jesus you obviously got dropped on your head as a child or your mom drank, smoked and dropped acid while she was preggo with you. You're really missing the big picture here and are letting stubbornness cloud your judgement.
I mean we're talking about a KIDS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!! HE'S A unnatural carnal knowledgeING KID!!!!!!! Use your brain and some common sense. That thread is a pathetic example of our fan base and that fact you encourage that trash speaks volumes about your character. I used to really stand up for this board - it's hard to now when you opening want people to spread false rumors about children and their mental health while accusations of drug abuse fly. You're a pathetic person for endorsing that crap.
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Rocky,
What's been your experience with depression? Any family, friends, etc? Serious question.
By the way, I really do appreciate everything you and the mods do to make this board possible.
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I never met either of my grandfathers because of it. And there are some much younger members of my family that deal with it now too.
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I'm very sorry to hear that. My wife and I have found two neighbors close to death in separate suicide attempts. Just sucks.
We must be at different points on this issue. When you literally see someone try to take their own life, it can change your perspective. Also knowing that when someone is in a "bad place" and they know that they are the focus of some not so kind rumors, it can have a very dangerous affect on them. Unfortunately, I've seen how that can turn out. Several times.
Hope that explains my position on yesterday's thread.
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Ok, I'm gonna go back though and delete all the recent "please delete this thread" posts.
You are the folks actually ruining this thread. Nuff said.
Yeah but the baseless accusations of a teen with issues beyond his controlwho has embraced Marquette are just fine by you. Character revealed indeed.
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It's clear to me that a lot of folks don't like my (our) moderation of the NN thread. Well, you'll have to suck it on that thread. But let us have it here. We're not that sensitive, I just refuse to let you ruin that thread.
So posters asking for the thread to be edited or locked caused it to be ruined? I would have thought it was ruined by accusations of substance abuse by a minor. I'm confused.
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Wow - this thread is an embarrassment to the school. But the "please delete this threads" are the problem. What a flicking joke
Ok, I'm gonna go back though and delete all the recent "please delete this thread" posts.
You are the folks actually ruining this thread. Nuff said.
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Ok, I'm gonna go back though and delete all the recent "please delete this thread" posts.
You are the folks actually ruining this thread. Nuff said.
What an embarrassment you are.
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fuc king pathetic. This might be the John Eshoo day of muscoop.
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I a stunned that rocky let people essentially slander and besmirch an ill, incoming recruit and seem to revel in the fact he does it.
Can we speculate on some of the issues he has and have it remain publicly for his family and friends to see?
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Guys take a step back if this was Dodds board yall would be banned by now.
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Rocky, ave you read the entire thread? Obviously not. Disgusting. Sure there are nice posts later, but earlier on. Nope. You are a. Slacker.
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There is an inaccurate, and potential libelous statement posted by "BC Hoopster" about one of Marquette's incoming recruits. He even indicated that it was inaccurate later on in the thread. Yet the inaccurate statement remains on the board.
It baffles me how you think that is an appropriate way to moderate a message board. Your role isn't simply to provide a forum for people to say whatever they want. You guys have a responsibility too, and you aren't fulfilling that right now.
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Rocky - I support your decision.
Nick has gone public with his issue, and that makes it completely appropriate - in fact, important - for us to discuss it out in the open like any other illness. Open discussion is a key step in helping people to understand that mental illness is real, and not something taboo to be swept under the rug. Confusion about the real issue - was it drug abuse, depression? - is a key part of that open discussion. It shows that mental illness can manifest in so many different ways.
And yes, I know what I'm talking about. I am dealing with depression, and tried for a while to keep it hidden. People at work speculated wrongly about what was going on, but that speculation showed me that they cared, that they were thinking about me. When I came forward to many of my colleagues, the outpouring of support was truly humbling.
Best to Nick!
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Geez. This thread is almost as bad as the Ners self banning poll.
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I'd like to point out that individual posters can always edit their posts. You can take that up with them.
Rocky, ave you read the entire thread? Obviously not.
I unfortunately have an affliction that makes me read every post on the Al board.
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Rocky - I support your decision.
Nick has gone public with his issue, and that makes it completely appropriate - in fact, important - for us to discuss it out in the open like any other illness. Open discussion is a key step in helping people to understand that mental illness is real, and not something taboo to be swept under the rug. Confusion about the real issue - was it drug abuse, depression? - is a key part of that open discussion. It shows that mental illness can manifest in so many different ways.
And yes, I know what I'm talking about. I am dealing with depression, and tried for a while to keep it hidden. People at work speculated wrongly about what was going on, but that speculation showed me that they cared, that they were thinking about me. When I came forward to many of my colleagues, the outpouring of support was truly humbling.
Best to Nick!
If the thread was just about his depression, I would be fine with it. The problem is that it has inaccurate statements about Nick that are sitting there for anyone to read. That isn't appropriate.
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Geez. This thread is almost as bad as the Ners self banning poll.
Well, I was feeling guilty about blatantly deleting every "you suck" post on the NN thread. This gives me a place to move them, and let others recreate the ones they posted. As with NN, it's important to lets folks get this anger off their chests.
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Honestly, I think you completely misunderstand the issue as I see it. The thread was wildly off topic. Sure it changed for a heartbeat later, but the majority of an extant thread about Nick Noskowiak is actually mostly about Chicos and Carlino.
Then you get a few moments of support (after pages of slander) and say other people are ruining it. What was ruining it was that a serious subject was at best the fourth most popular topic in the thread.
And after the announcement from Nick just how long did it take to go off topic again? That's why it should be closed. Because it will inevitably get off topic like it already has multiple times both before and after Nick's post.
You aren't showing respect, you are inviting disrespect. But hey, whatever it takes to convince you free speech is alive, just as long as you have time to censor everyone who suggests a soft touch. It's ironic, in your quest to preserve free speech, you end up censoring more speech than you protect.
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Well, I was feeling guilty about blatantly deleting every "you suck" post on the NN thread. This gives me a place to move them, and let others recreate the ones they posted. As with NN, it's important to lets folks get this anger off their chests.
What "anger?"
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What "anger?"
Have you read chili's (not the real one) and pbi's posts?
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What an embarrassment to Marquette. Goodbye like many others...
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Have you read chili's (not the real one) and pbi's posts?
They aren't angry at NN. They are angry that you are allowing lies about him to be displayed on your message board. And then you say people should take it up with the individual poster? So you have basically abstained from all moderation responsibilities?
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So for the people who are claiming libel - what libelous statements were made?
If you think the speculation about painkiller addiction is libelous, you clearly don't understand mental illness...and the fact that painkiller addiction is simply one of the possible manifestations of depression or other mental illnesses.
To put it in proper perspective - if we call it libel when a guy has depression and people speculate that he has painkiller addiction, it would also be libel if he had a low ankle sprain and people speculated that he had a high ankle sprain. If we treated the situations differently, we would be acting as though mental illness is "different" from other health issues. That kind of thinking is what got mental illness the stigma that we're trying to transcend.
Painkiller addiction is an illness, not a character flaw. Depression is an illness, not a character flaw. And speculating (even wrongly) about them is not libelous.
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I support the moderators.
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So for the people who are claiming libel - what libelous statements were made?
If you think the speculation about painkiller addiction is libelous, you clearly don't understand mental illness...and the fact that painkiller addiction is simply one of the possible manifestations of depression or other mental illnesses.
To put it in proper perspective - if we call it libel when a guy has depression and people speculate that he has painkiller addiction, it would also be libel if he had a low ankle sprain and people speculated that he had a high ankle sprain. If we treated the situations differently, we would be acting as though mental illness is "different" from other health issues. That kind of thinking is what got mental illness the stigma that we're trying to transcend.
Painkiller addiction is an illness, not a character flaw. Depression is an illness, not a character flaw. And speculating (even wrongly) about them is not libelous.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=45965.msg685745#msg685745
That isn't a speculative statement.
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They aren't angry at NN. They are angry that you are allowing lies about him to be displayed on your message board. And then you say people should take it up with the individual poster? So you have basically abstained from all moderation responsibilities?
I was talking about anger at me, at letting them vent.
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=45965.msg685745#msg685745
That isn't a speculative statement.
Disagree. It's a poster speculating about a drug issue.
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Disagree. It's a poster speculating about a drug issue.
Speculation is voicing an opinion or theory. That statement is unequivocally declarative.
So...could that be libelous? Let's see:
1) Is it a false and defamatory statement? Seems to be yes. The poster's own statements indicate this was at best inaccurate information.
2) Did Nick give BCHoopster permission to write this, thus avoiding potential libel? Possible, but seems highly unlikely that the kid said "hey, lie about my condition on Scoop."
3) Did the publisher act negligently? Yes, he admitted as much.
4) Were there damages? That's debatable. If it gets out to the MU community that Nick is addicted to painkillers I'd say yes. This is usually the hardest part of libel to prove.
This is at the least a viable case for libel, if the kid wanted to pursue. And the publisher is just as guilty as the poster for providing the forum. But of course the post from a libel lawyer in the thread addressing that was deleted, apparently because the libel expert was one of the real people ruining the thread ::)
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Been a member on here a long time. 95% of the time, I appreciate the laissez-faire style the mods take. This situation was one of the 5%. No one is asking you guys to be mouthpieces for the program, but allowing speculation about drug use, addiction, etc about one of our own commits is unacceptable. Then, doubling down on it just fans the flames even more.
We might not think this site has much reach, but it's the most visited and easily accessible MU board. We're talking about a 17 or 18 yr old kid involved here. The last thing he would need at this point is to somehow end up reading some of the crap on here.
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You might ask that lawyer if he was giving legal advice?
You might want to also get him to sign NN as a client and request a retraction if they think there have been libelous statements.
However, unless Nick or anyone here are his clients he probably shouldn't be offering unsolicited legal advice.
Hint: He should probably thank me for deleting his post
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Speculation is voicing an opinion or theory. That statement is unequivocally declarative.
Disagree. He simply said "Drug issue, a pain medication." That could mean "My guess is that it's a drug issue" (speculation)...or "I happen to know he has a drug issue" (declaration).
I read it as the former. And in the context of a message board - where most people just shoot from the hip - that would be the case more often than not.
The guy who talked about libel in the original thread isn't the only lawyer on this board who has familiarity with the issue. ;)
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Been a member on here a long time. 95% of the time, I appreciate the laissez-faire style the mods take. This situation was one of the 5%. No one is asking you guys to be mouthpieces for the program, but allowing speculation about drug use, addiction, etc about one of our own commits is unacceptable. Then, doubling down on it just fans the flames even more.
We might not think this site has much reach, but it's the most visited and easily accessible MU board. We're talking about a 17 or 18 yr old kid involved here. The last thing he would need at this point is to somehow end up reading some of the crap on here.
I guess the reason I'm okay with how the situation was handled is because the mods deal with posters making similar accusations/statements about other programs/players/coaches/recruits/commits/etc. Just because this time it was our own backyard, I don't think they should make a change.
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So, since speculation is okay.
Is Rocky's obsession with little boys due to his own small penis or is it a result of a major meth addiction?
Just speculating.
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Heh.... I saw Matt V's blog entry today, and my personal feelings about depression aside, I'm actually somewhat thankful that I never bothered to open the Noskowiak thread.
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So, since speculation is okay.
Is Rocky's obsession with little boys due to his own small penis or is it a result of a major meth addiction?
Just speculating.
Thanks for providing fodder for illustrating the difference.
Rocky has an obsession with little boys - declaration.
Rocky's stated obsession is due either to a small penis or a major meth addiction - speculation.
Thanks!
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I would like to clarify that I am NOT a Catholic priest.
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Disagree. He simply said "Drug issue, a pain medication." That could mean "My guess is that it's a drug issue" (speculation)...or "I happen to know he has a drug issue" (declaration).
I read it as the former. And in the context of a message board - where most people just shoot from the hip - that would be the case more often than not.
The guy who talked about libel in the original thread isn't the only lawyer on this board who has familiarity with the issue. ;)
Then you read it wrong. Look at his next post:
I heard that bit did not want to put it on a blog so I just put pain medication which he is taking to control the depression, hope he feels better, much like Gault at Wisky,
That is an unquestioned declarative statement, backing up the previous declarative statement.
All this is now is a bunch of Scoopers patting themselves on the back about how they are supporting Nick, which might have a point if he was here and active. But as he's not, it's just a bunch of middle aged men trying to fellate themselves about how maturely they are handling this. Until of course it gets off topic and they start talking about Frozen again.
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Then you read it wrong. Look at his next post:
That is an unquestioned declarative statement, backing up the previous declarative statement.
All this is now is a bunch of Scoopers patting themselves on the back about how they are supporting Nick, which might have a point if he was here and active. But as he's not, it's just a bunch of middle aged men trying to fellate themselves about how maturely they are handling this. Until of course it gets off topic and they start talking about Frozen again.
He said he "heard that". He didn't say he knew it as a fact.
I'm done. Teaching people how to read isn't my job.
Good work, Rocky!
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I guess the reason I'm okay with how the situation was handled is because the mods deal with posters making similar accusations/statements about other programs/players/coaches/recruits/commits/etc. Just because this time it was our own backyard, I don't think they should make a change.
While true, that in itself should make you think. Is it appropriate for people to speculate on the medical and academic issues that a high-school student has?
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He said he "heard that". He didn't say he knew it as a fact.
I'm done. Teaching people how to read isn't my job.
Good work, Rocky!
No. You are the one misreading. When he says he "heard that" he was referring to the depression. The part after that about pain meds is unquestionably declarative.
Good thing teaching people how to read isn't your job, since you so blatantly misread two posts
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While true, that in itself should make you think. Is it appropriate for people to speculate on the medical and academic issues that a high-school student has?
I agree with your statement. And, I guess in terms of moderating a board, I'm just glad they're consistent. Should we be dragging ANY high school or college student through the mud? No.
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No. You are the one misreading. When he says he "heard that" he was referring to the depression. The part after that about pain meds is unquestionably declarative.
Good thing teaching people how to read isn't your job, since you so blatantly misread two posts
I didn't misread anything. I read them both, in sequence and context.
I'll wait for the verdict in the "libel" case....
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I guess it's a fundamental difference of standards at issue here. Rocky's view as moderator is that as long as it's not actionable liable, it's OK. I'd like to think that we have slightly higher standards than that...especially when dealing with kids. It's his board.
And the fact the fact that BCHoopster hasn't done anything about his initial post, even though admitting he was incorrect, is pretty pathetic.
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And the fact the fact that BCHoopster hasn't done anything about his initial post, even though admitting he was incorrect, is pretty pathetic.
So when a MU player is seen on campus with a walking boot and someone speculates that the player has a stress fracture, is the poster supposed to delete his or her initial post if it turns out that the boot was just a precaution?
Drug abuse is a symptom of mental illness - a legitimate medical condition - just like a stress fracture is a medical condition. If we treat mental illness differently from other medical conditions, it just feeds into an old stigma.
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I'll offer a different perspective. How many of us have now had either more thought given to or more conversations around depression? Is that a bad thing? As far as I can tell, trying to remain emotionally uninvolved, there was one poster who was irresponsible and generally not a good person in the NN thread. However, prior to BC's accusations the thread was no different than any other Scoop thread. After NN revealed his struggle, the thread was no different than any other Scoop thread and was especially uplifting in letting people tell their stories and have a discussion around depression.
I understand there are those who are rubbed the wrong way by the thread and I would encourage you to voice your opinions, that's part of what this board is. But do give a little consideration to what Scoop is as a community and the tightrope that the moderators have to walk to keep it open to all and foster open communication. I honestly believe we are all better people and fans because of Scoop(in that order), the NN thread does nothing to change my opinion. Learning opportunity for all to be better the next time a thread like that comes around.
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So when a MU player is seen on campus with a walking boot and someone speculates that the player has a stress fracture, is the poster supposed to delete his or her initial post if it turns out that the boot was just a precaution?
Drug abuse is a symptom of mental illness - a legitimate medical condition - just like a stress fracture is a medical condition. If we treat mental illness differently from other medical conditions, it just feeds into an old stigma.
There is no evidence of drug abuse whatsoever. Even BCHoopster later indicated that he should have just said "medication" that he was taking for depression, and not pain meds. While I'm all for de-stigmatizing depression (for my own personal reasons), I disagree with your suggestion that erroneously saying that someone has a problem with pain killers is the same as saying they have a stress fracture.
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So when a MU player is seen on campus with a walking boot and someone speculates that the player has a stress fracture, is the poster supposed to delete his or her initial post if it turns out that the boot was just a precaution?
Seeing them in a walking boot = Nick saying he is suffering with depression = observable fact. No problem with that.
Saying they have a stress fracture = Nick has problem with pain meds = speculation. Big problem with that.
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I'll offer a different perspective. How many of us have now had either more thought given to or more conversations around depression? Is that a bad thing? As far as I can tell, trying to remain emotionally uninvolved, there was one poster who was irresponsible and generally not a good person in the NN thread. However, prior to BC's accusations the thread was no different than any other Scoop thread. After NN revealed his struggle, the thread was no different than any other Scoop thread and was especially uplifting in letting people tell their stories and have a discussion around depression.
I understand there are those who are rubbed the wrong way by the thread and I would encourage you to voice your opinions, that's part of what this board is. But do give a little consideration to what Scoop is as a community and the tightrope that the moderators have to walk to keep it open to all and foster open communication. I honestly believe we are all better people and fans because of Scoop(in that order), the NN thread does nothing to change my opinion. Learning opportunity for all to be better the next time a thread like that comes around.
I agree with you completely. I have told several people outside the thread that I really like what it became -- it's a good discussion of an important issue and is supportive of NN. My issue with the thread is really related to a single, unsubstantiated post. I'm surprised and disappointed that it is still there. Even if the mods elect to not remove it, I think it's unfortunate that BC didn't go back and edit his post after admitting that he should have said something different.
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I seem to remember a much tighter leash on comments regarding any speculation on why players who made mistakes were forced to leave the team in the past. Patrick Hazel specifically comes to mind. He was removed from the team and any speculation on why he left was pretty quickly removed from the board, and respecting that player's privacy was cited. Is this NN case any different than that? Shouldn't his privacy be the main concern and any speculation be removed from the board?
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Maybe compromise?
Instead of labeling the thread "nick noslowiak" and keeping on on the main board, maybe label it something else and let people have a discussion about depression in the superbar?
The discussion itself seemed okay for the most-part (minus one rouge poster), but I also don't want to become the type of fanbase that dissects every player to the 1000th degree and puts it on the internet for everybody to see.
And for the record, I really like this site, and I appreciate the amount of work the mods do. With this said, I would be in favor of tighter moderation, (and I'll volunteer some of my time if the mods want it.)
I know that's not really how the site was intended, but there are certain topics and posters that could/should be moderated to create the best site.
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Maybe compromise?
Instead of labeling the thread "nick noslowiak" and keeping on on the main board, maybe label it something else and let people have a discussion about depression in the superbar?
The discussion itself seemed okay for the most-part (minus one rouge poster), but I also don't want to become the type of fanbase that dissects every player to the 1000th degree and puts it on the internet for everybody to see.
And for the record, I really like this site, and I appreciate the amount of work the mods do. With this said, I would be in favor of tighter moderation, (and I'll volunteer some of my time if the mods want it.)
I know that's not really how the site was intended, but there are certain topics and posters that could/should be moderated to create the best site.
For what its worth, I see both sides to this argument. I am generally in favor of the mods hands-off approach, but I can see how the Noskowiak thread could be problematic, especially with a kid struggling with depression. Best wishes to Nick. And if BCHoopster hasn't edited his post yet to remove the false statements he made, I would recommend he do that immediately.
I also 2nd Ammo's candidacy as a mod, should the current moderators deem it necessary. He always seems to be a voice of reason, and has well-thought out responses.
I will say that I rarely, if ever, see posts by the other Mods (SoCal and Spiral, I believe their names are). Now, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't viewing what is going on here, but it seems they never respond to much, which I think is problematic if we are relying on them as moderators. Rocky and Topper do great jobs, and I appreciate their work immensely for the service that is provided to all of us free of charge. But I think a 3rd active moderator would probably be a good idea, given the growth of Scoop and how many people use this forum. And Ammo would be a great choice. My 2 cents.
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The mods do a good job. There's no reason to babysit anyone on the Internet.
I'm genuinely surprised how butthurt people get when others are having a discussion about public information. Really odd.
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Then you read it wrong. Look at his next post:
That is an unquestioned declarative statement, backing up the previous declarative statement.
All this is now is a bunch of Scoopers patting themselves on the back about how they are supporting Nick, which might have a point if he was here and active. But as he's not, it's just a bunch of middle aged men trying to fellate themselves about how maturely they are handling this. Until of course it gets off topic and they start talking about Frozen again.
"fellate themselves..."? i'd like to give you a different perspective on your comment if i may. many of us scoopers purposely decided to sit back and watch the situation unfold before we "fellated". i would like to think we exercised restraint and waited to see what the real facts of the case were rather than speculate and add to the "train wreck that was starting to evolve. of course we had some hindsight, but as the facts of the situation came to light, the "patting on the back" was not a holier than thou moment, but rather, or in my case anyway, an attempt to show others a genuine heart felt and an empathetic side to our board. that is what i believe how most of us fellators look at it anyway.
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For what its worth, I see both sides to this argument. I am generally in favor of the mods hands-off approach, but I can see how the Noskowiak thread could be problematic, especially with a kid struggling with depression. Best wishes to Nick. And if BCHoopster hasn't edited his post yet to remove the false statements he made, I would recommend he do that immediately.
I also 2nd Ammo's candidacy as a mod, should the current moderators deem it necessary. He always seems to be a voice of reason, and has well-thought out responses.
I will say that I rarely, if ever, see posts by the other Mods (SoCal and Spiral, I believe their names are). Now, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't viewing what is going on here, but it seems they never respond to much, which I think is problematic if we are relying on them as moderators. Rocky and Topper do great jobs, and I appreciate their work immensely for the service that is provided to all of us free of charge. But I think a 3rd active moderator would probably be a good idea, given the growth of Scoop and how many people use this forum. And Ammo would be a great choice. My 2 cents.
In addition to Canned, I nominate Chico's and Lenny. :o
Lets start a poll.
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Needing a 5th moderator notwithstanding .. the best moderator is the user .. firstly for not writing batcrap crazy stuff, second for using "report to moderator" so we can see what all the hubbub is about when it happens, get a feel for how egregious.
For the record, a grand total of one person hit that link for the thread in question. (Yes, I understand there's others expressing angst right there inside the thread.)
Meanwhile we get 53 "reports" per Lenny/Chicos thread if that gives you some perspective. 8-)
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Thanks, Skatastrophy for reporting my posting. Now I'll need to give myself a vacation.
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Thanks, Skatastrophy for reporting my posting. Now I'll need to give myself a vacation.
Reporting the mods. Never gets old.
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Maybe compromise?
The discussion itself seemed okay for the most-part (minus one rouge poster), but I also don't want to become the type of fanbase that dissects every player to the 1000th degree and puts it on the internet for everybody to see.
I thought the discussion was disgusting.
Of course, I am not including everyone with that statement. You and many others posted without being derogatory toward an 18 year old kid - but many comments were way over the line
By the THIRD post in the tread, terms like "train wreck" were being thrown around.
This is a teenager. How would any of the d'bags who made derogatory statements feel if grown strangers were publicly criticizing them when they were in HS?
And I would like to commend the many posters who came to NN's defense. None of us know anything about his life and to me, certain things should be out of bounds to speculate on.
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Thanks, Skatastrophy for reporting my posting. Now I'll need to give myself a vacation.
You do probably *deserve* a vacation!
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By the THIRD post in the tread, terms like "train wreck" were being thrown around.
This is a teenager. How would any of the d'bags who made derogatory statements feel if grown strangers were publicly criticizing them when they were in HS?
Just to be clear, that d'bag (thebadge10) is a well-known Badger fan and Marquette hater.
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You do probably *deserve* a vacation!
He's been a very naughty boy.
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Just to be clear, that d'bag (thebadge10) is a well-known Badger fan and Marquette hater.
But that post still shows up on a Marquette website and reflects on the Marquette community. And while posts calling for moderation were deleted, that post calling Nick a train wreck was not.
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Thanks, Skatastrophy for reporting my posting. Now I'll need to give myself a vacation.
Would you me to demote Skata? Or should he just pay double for his subscription next year?
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What a bunch of self important, egotistical a-holes you whiners are. Get over yourselves. Nobody outside of the regulars on this board give a rats ass what any of you think. The feigned outrage is ridiculous. The verbal "sword fights" by you intellectuals on the other hand is hilarious. ;D
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Would you me to demote Skata? Or should he just pay double for his subscription next year?
The clan will take care of it, bust 'em down to member.
Skats a chick, aina?
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I happen to side with rocky on this but I respect those who feel some of the comments were over the top. I'm no legal expert, so I don't know if they were libelous or slanderous or any other legalize "ous."
I will say that I don't view any of this as embarrassing to Marquette or "the Marquette community."
It's a fan board filled with anonymous posters. We don't "represent" anything, certainly not our former university.
If we actually are seen as representatives of some kind, we've embarrassed "the Marquette community" many, many times before Nick or any of this year's other recruits ever signed their national letters of intent.
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We have, and it's been noticed by recruits, recruits' parents, and others whose familiarity with the fanbase begins and sometimes ends online.
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What a bunch of self important, egotistical a-holes you whiners are. Get over yourselves. Nobody outside of the regulars on this board give a rats ass what any of you think. The feigned outrage is ridiculous. The verbal "sword fights" by you intellectuals on the other hand is hilarious. ;D
We just found our 5th moderator!
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We have, and it's been noticed by recruits, recruits' parents, and others whose familiarity with the fanbase begins and sometimes ends online.
You know I respect you, brew, but whether or not we have "embarrassed" Marquette is a matter of opinion, not fact. It is my opinion that we haven't because we are not in the least bit representative of Marquette. It is your opinion that we have. We will have to agree to disagree on this, but please don't present it as fact.
About 99.9% of the time, I lean toward freedom of speech and expression. And I see no reason why this is that rare .1% to side against it. Again, just my opinion.
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We just found our 5th moderator!
I hereby state, and mean all that I say, that I never have been and never will be a candidate for moderator, that if nominated, I should peremptorily decline, and even if unanimously elected I should decline to serve."
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I hereby state, and mean all that I say, that I never have been and never will be a candidate for moderator, that if nominated, I should peremptorily decline, and even if unanimously elected I should decline to serve."
You forgot to say the legally binding phrase, which is "not it". Thus, you are "it".
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...and even if unanimously elected I should decline to serve."
Which would make you indistinguishable from the other moderators.
I kid. I kid. Thanks for all you do, guys.
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The less moderation, the better.
I hate that politics is not allowed. Why not? I hate half the schlubs on here already. :)
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The less moderation, the better.
I hate that politics is not allowed. Why not? I hate half the schlubs on here already. :)
^also wants the right to demean any women posters on here with extremely vulgar language so I'm sure he'd be pleasant and not rude at all on a politics board.
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I hereby state, and mean all that I say, that I never have been and never will be a candidate for moderator, that if nominated, I should peremptorily decline, and even if unanimously elected I should decline to serve."
You're gonna fit right in. Your sentence begins in 10 days. Use that time wisely to say the final goodbyes to those you love.
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^also wants the right to demean any women posters on here with extremely vulgar language so I'm sure he'd be pleasant and not rude at all on a politics board.
+1
Still have not forgotten that incident.
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Still have not forgotten that incident.
Shut up you caunts.
It'd be even more fun with these femi-nazi's following my every move.
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Skats a chick, aina?
False.
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Still have not forgotten that incident.
Yeah, me neither.
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Yeah, me neither.
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Still have not forgotten that incident.
For what it's worth she hadn't either last time I talked to her. Also is what drove her from the board.
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Can you ladies be a little more melodramatic?
I'm sorry I upset confederate melissa. Man alive, I've been called a dick before you don't see me ranting.
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Skats a chick, aina?
Yes, I love the feeling of a man inside of me.
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Yes, I love the feeling of a man inside of me.
now that's funny right there, butout of all the things discussed here, that's gotta rank right up there with politics and therefore should be cause for a lockdown-aina aina
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Can you ladies be a little more melodramatic?
I'm sorry I upset confederate melissa. Man alive, I've been called a dick before you don't see me ranting.
Are you seriously arguing that's a comparable insult? You apparently don't understand how unbelievably offensive your post was, or don't care.
Would you ever call an African-American poster a "lazy-ass 'N-word'"? What you said to Melissa was no less offensive. But hey, you've been called "whitey" before.
What's worse, you said it to a 20-year-old girl who has done nothing to you except express an opinion with which you disagreed. I bet you really felt like a man when you hit that "post" button.
I was disappointed that your actions didn't result in a permanent ban. Since you obviously still have no real remorse, I am asking the mods to reconsider.
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I know feminism is en vogue but this is a new level.
Impressive really.
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Mods I ask that warrior chick be banned for her grotesque analogy.
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I know feminism is en vogue but this is a new level.
Impressive really.
Only men who are insecure mention feminism. The point is, your post to Melissa was offensive and derogatory to a human being that happened to be a woman, (which in my opinion makes it worse and disgusting.)
Everyone makes mistakes, but then don't defend it months after the fact.
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Can you ladies be a little more melodramatic?
I'm sorry I upset confederate melissa. Man alive, I've been called a dick before you don't see me ranting.
God forbid you ever have a teenage daughter... or girlfriend... or wife... or basically any women in your life for that matter.
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I know feminism is en vogue but this is a new level.
Impressive really.
Do you really think that this has anything to do with "feminism?"
Seriously, this isn't the time to double down. This is the time to STFU and apologize.
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I feel like I've missed something...
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Not the best choice of words but nowhere near n word. Especially when dick and a-hole get tossed around. Not a peep about Melissa's confederate flag but I'm the one getting heat. Classic.
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Not the best choice of words but nowhere near n word. Especially when dick and a-hole get tossed around. Not a peep about Melissa's confederate flag but I'm the one getting heat. Classic.
Ah the classic "Chicos Victimization Defense."
Awesome.
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Not the best choice of words but nowhere near n word. Especially when dick and a-hole get tossed around. Not a peep about Melissa's confederate flag but I'm the one getting heat. Classic.
Sorry Stone. You've got one helluva blind spot. And chick will tell you that I'm anything but some 'enlightened progressive thinker'.
Enough on this thread for me. Later.
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What the hell is happening in this thread?
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I feel like I've missed something...
Well I made a comment referring to this post by stone cold trying to essentially state that he'd be the last person to be remotely capable of intelligent conversation on a political thread. That took off and went into this. He was temporarily banned and some felt it should've been permanent or that he should've at least apologized as he offended more than just her. But he seems to think that it was warranted or no different than someone saying a guy's a dick.
Melissa what has your smelly cun.t ever done for MU?
Two S16 and one Elite eight, success MU has not seen since McGuire. Get some perspective.
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What the hell is happening in this thread?
As near as I can tell, Stone Cold is testing the Mods commitment to an open forum and trying to get himself banned.
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Well, damnit, now someone will have to open a different thread to grouse about moderation.