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Title: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
@WisBBYearbook: Former Marquette guard John Dawson has opted to transfer to Liberty University.


Sounds about right.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 02:46:00 PM
Coached by Buzz pal Dale Layer.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: T-Bone on January 07, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
Good for him and his family.  Best of luck!
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 07, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
Wow. I guess his dad is a preacher. If PT was the goal, should be ample opportunity there.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 07, 2015, 02:51:50 PM
Best of luck to Dawson (and to his father).  As a transplant from the Southwest myself, I was really excited to see him coming to Marquette and hoped things would work out for him.  I hope the opportunity at Liberty works out for him.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: MUCam on January 07, 2015, 02:56:47 PM
All I know about Liberty I learned from Samantha Steele-Ponder. Worthy choice.

Best of luck to Dawson! As I have stated earlier, watching kids transfer is like watching kids leave the nest at home. You don't want it to happen but you (almost) always wish them the best.

Watching a coach "transfer", on the other hand, is more like a messy divorce; generally not as sweet and certainly not going to be characterized by well wishes.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: nyg on January 07, 2015, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 02:46:00 PM
Coached by Buzz pal Dale Layer.

And right up the road from Buzz in Lynchburg, Va.  That is some rural country....
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2015, 03:02:07 PM
Good luck, God speed to John and his Dad.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: MU82 on January 07, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
Not that Dawson needs my approval (or anybody else'), but this seems an outstanding place for him to have landed. I hope he gets a ton of playing time and gets everything out of his college experience he wants.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: MuMark on January 07, 2015, 03:04:58 PM
Best of luck to John....Ners must be crushed....
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: mu-rara on January 07, 2015, 03:07:43 PM
Quote from: MuMark on January 07, 2015, 03:04:58 PM
Best of luck to John....Ners must be crushed....
Ners to Liberty?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
Good luck, John.   I hope this is a good fit for you.   
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: 79Warrior on January 07, 2015, 03:20:37 PM
Quote from: MuMark on January 07, 2015, 03:04:58 PM
Best of luck to John....Ners must be crushed....

No kidding. Just validates what nonsense he spews.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: ATVSandKARATE on January 07, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
I never like to see a guy leave the program, but I hope he does well.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: DienerTime34 on January 07, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Is Liberty the crazy-religious place that banned interracial dating and Democrats or am I confusing that with another one?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: LAZER on January 07, 2015, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 07, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Is Liberty the crazy-religious place that banned interracial dating and Democrats or am I confusing that with another one?

That's the one, Falwell University.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 07, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
Is Liberty the crazy-religious place that banned interracial dating and Democrats or am I confusing that with another one?

You're thinking Bob Jones University.
Liberty is the crazy-religious place founded by Jerry Falwell. They have interesting biology classes, no doubt.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: DienerTime34 on January 07, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
You're thinking Bob Jones University.
Liberty is the crazy-religious place founded by Jerry Falwell. They have interesting biology classes, no doubt.

Yep, the interracial ban was Bob Jones. But I got interested and found some nuggets from the Liberty University Handbook.

On dating: Handholding is the only appropriate form of personal contact. ... After dusk, students should not be alone with an individual of the opposite sex in any unlighted area such as the ball fields, parking lots, parked cars, ravine or other wooded areas, etc. This is considered improper social behavior.

And entertainment: No "R" rated movies and ... the Division of Student Affairs will continue teaching guidelines and principles to students related to all forms of entertainment. This would mean that many "PG-13" and some "PG" movies, although not prohibited by policy, may also be inappropriate.

Looks like John will have plenty of time to focus on basketball!
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: LAZER on January 07, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
You're thinking Bob Jones University.
Liberty is the crazy-religious place founded by Jerry Falwell. They have interesting biology classes, no doubt.

Ah that's the one.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: brandx on January 07, 2015, 03:52:44 PM
Them PG movies can get pretty raunchy.

Protect the Children!!
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: wadesworld on January 07, 2015, 04:02:53 PM
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on January 07, 2015, 03:07:43 PM
Ners to Liberty?


I'd trade Ners to Liberty in order to get Dawson back.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 07, 2015, 04:05:11 PM
Somebody really ought to warn LUScoop...
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Coleman on January 07, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 07, 2015, 04:05:11 PM
Somebody really ought to warn LUScoop...

Ners already joined
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 07, 2015, 04:26:45 PM
Hope things work out for John, as he seemed like a good kid.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: ATVSandKARATE on January 07, 2015, 04:33:59 PM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 07, 2015, 04:26:45 PM
Hope things work out for John, as he seemed like a good kid.
Seeing the excerpts from the Liberty handbook, he certainly doesn't seem like a sinner.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Texas Western on January 07, 2015, 05:11:10 PM
I like this choice for John. I spent some significant time on business back in the day in Lynchburg. It is a scenic area and the school is growing at steady pace. Looking forward to seeing him lead The Flames into the tourney next year.  Will miss him this year but hope he hits the books hard and gets some momentum.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: jsheim on January 07, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
I've met 4-5 people who've graduated from Liberty and they've all been high quality people....top shelf.  I am happy for John landing there....he enjoys the team, gets a good degree and has a great life.

I hope all these guys we watch and root for coming thru Marquette figure out life without basketball. I wonder what percent of them spend 1yr or more playing bball for a living?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Wojo'sMojo on January 07, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
I would like to hear Ners thoughts on this. He must be almost done with his ban??
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: hdog1017 on January 07, 2015, 05:30:35 PM
"Give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry and John Dawson apparently. 
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 07, 2015, 03:48:59 PM
Yep, the interracial ban was Bob Jones. But I got interested and found some nuggets from the Liberty University Handbook.

On dating: Handholding is the only appropriate form of personal contact. ... After dusk, students should not be alone with an individual of the opposite sex in any unlighted area such as the ball fields, parking lots, parked cars, ravine or other wooded areas, etc. This is considered improper social behavior.

And entertainment: No "R" rated movies and ... the Division of Student Affairs will continue teaching guidelines and principles to students related to all forms of entertainment. This would mean that many "PG-13" and some "PG" movies, although not prohibited by policy, may also be inappropriate.

Looks like John will have plenty of time to focus on basketball!


So, when MU plays Liberty we probably shouldn't expect many porn stars in the famous alumni thread?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Daniel on January 07, 2015, 05:34:31 PM
Seems like a good kid. I wish him all the best.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 07, 2015, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 07, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
So, when MU plays Liberty we probably shouldn't expect many porn stars in the famous alumni thread?

I'm guessing (hoping) that Keefe takes that as a personal challenge.  No reason to wait for the game to be scheduled...it seems to me like you've already called him out.  Keefe?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Liberty went all out to get Dawson...

Schools like Texas Tech, University of Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho State and Murray state were in the running but Liberty had the best situation to come in and be a key part of the team from Day 1. Our Family is happy with his decision and wish him the best. The Coaching staff went all out to recruit him and hes up for the challenge.... Also Liberty has a 90% chance of joining conference USA next year and also is rumored to want to get a game in the Non Conference against "Marquette"......

Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: 79Warrior on January 07, 2015, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on January 07, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
I would like to hear Ners thoughts on this. He must be almost done with his ban??

Not interested what he thinks.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 07, 2015, 07:18:01 PM
Not interested what he thinks.

He will be back with an 8 page letter.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 07, 2015, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: Texas Western on January 07, 2015, 05:11:10 PM
I like this choice for John. I spent some significant time on business back in the day in Lynchburg. It is a scenic area and the school is growing at steady pace. Looking forward to seeing him lead The Flames into the tourney next year.  Will miss him this year but hope he hits the books hard and gets some momentum.

Good luck to John. I really wanted to see him flourish here.

Also looked up LU. Didn't know Lynchburg was named after a 17 year old John Lynch.

"First settled in 1757, Lynchburg was named for its founder, John Lynch, who at the age of 17 started a ferry service at a ford across the James River to carry traffic to and from New London. "
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Texas Western on January 07, 2015, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Liberty went all out to get Dawson...

Schools like Texas Tech, University of Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho State and Murray state were in the running but Liberty had the best situation to come in and be a key part of the team from Day 1. Our Family is happy with his decision and wish him the best. The Coaching staff went all out to recruit him and hes up for the challenge.... Also Liberty has a 90% chance of joining conference USA next year and also is rumored to want to get a game in the Non Conference against "Marquette"......


This is a great choice for John. I think he will flourish in many ways.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 07, 2015, 08:06:43 PM
Best of luck to John. He seemed to be a great representative of the university and teammate. I hope he finds what he is looking for at Liberty.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 07, 2015, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Liberty went all out to get Dawson...

Schools like Texas Tech, University of Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho State and Murray state were in the running but Liberty had the best situation to come in and be a key part of the team from Day 1. Our Family is happy with his decision and wish him the best. The Coaching staff went all out to recruit him and hes up for the challenge.... Also Liberty has a 90% chance of joining conference USA next year and also is rumored to want to get a game in the Non Conference against "Marquette"......


Glad to hear.  I met John at the BBQ this summer and he seems like a great kid.  All the best.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2015, 08:07:57 PM
If you want to know what Ners thinks check out the scout board.   MU1997.   Calling people who disagree with him 'clowns'.    (sigh)   Better than 'adversaries', I guess.  
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: ATWizJr on January 07, 2015, 08:11:18 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 07, 2015, 07:18:01 PM
Not interested what he thinks.
the 16th, I think.  too bad.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: jesmu84 on January 07, 2015, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Liberty went all out to get Dawson...

Squirmy
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: reinko on January 07, 2015, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: ATVSandKARATE on January 07, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
I never like to see a guy leave the program, but I hope he does well.

I can name plenty guys I am glad to see the leave the program in the last 10 years.

Todd M.
Aaron D.
Patrick H.
Yous M.
Brett R.
Jamal F.

Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: RJax55 on January 07, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2015, 08:07:57 PM
If you want to know what Ners thinks check out the scout board.   MU1997.   Calling people who disagree with him 'clowns'.    (sigh)   Better than 'adversaries', I guess.  

Any one-on-one challenges?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 07, 2015, 08:11:53 PM
Squirmy

Like you know.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2015, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Liberty went all out to get Dawson...

Schools like Texas Tech, University of Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho State and Murray state were in the running but Liberty had the best situation to come in and be a key part of the team from Day 1. Our Family is happy with his decision and wish him the best. The Coaching staff went all out to recruit him and hes up for the challenge.... Also Liberty has a 90% chance of joining conference USA next year and also is rumored to want to get a game in the Non Conference against "Marquette"......



Great news. Did Brad Autry help in some way connecting John with Coach Layer?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 07, 2015, 08:41:04 PM
Great news. Did Brad Autry help in some way connecting John with Coach Layer?

Buzz Williams was actually was a key player in making it happen he spoke very high of John and told them that John was a hard worker and good kid.

Brad Autry wanted him at Hawaii bad but hes not a head coach and they didnt have a scholarship available until after this season.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
Glad to know that Buzz is still using his vast network of contacts to try to find a good fit for JD.   Well done, Buzz.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: keefe on January 07, 2015, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 07, 2015, 06:24:40 PM
I'm guessing (hoping) that Keefe takes that as a personal challenge.  No reason to wait for the game to be scheduled...it seems to me like you've already called him out.  Keefe?

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Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: chapman on January 07, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
Wish John the best.  Any idea if he has a chance to have the four minutes waived to get the redshirt?  Or if they'll institute the Josh Smith WTF Rule and not only forgive the minutes (81 in that case!) but let him play right away next year instead of after the semester?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: The Lens on January 07, 2015, 09:15:25 PM
The Liberty Message Board if you're interested, they certainly picked up the Buzz connection.

https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22521&sid=ebeb9d1a4f0eeaa3fa03ce91617ec1ad (https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22521&sid=ebeb9d1a4f0eeaa3fa03ce91617ec1ad)

Seemed like a good kid, was really nice to my son at camp this summer.  Hope he gets some nice run and a degree.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: jesmu84 on January 07, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 08:34:06 PM
Like you know.

I think you missed the teal.

But weren't you supposed to leave?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Dawson Rental on January 07, 2015, 09:35:50 PM
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 07, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Liberty went all out to get Dawson...

Schools like Texas Tech, University of Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho State and Murray state were in the running but Liberty had the best situation to come in and be a key part of the team from Day 1. Our Family is happy with his decision and wish him the best. The Coaching staff went all out to recruit him and hes up for the challenge.... Also Liberty has a 90% chance of joining conference USA next year and also is rumored to want to get a game in the Non Conference against "Marquette"......



You're a member of the Dawson family?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: cheebs09 on January 07, 2015, 09:40:55 PM
I was always impressed with how engaged John was on the bench. I hope he does very well at Liberty. He seems like a great kid.

Also, I hope he can get some kind of waiver on those four minutes.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 07, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 07, 2015, 09:35:50 PM
You're a member of the Dawson family?

Sarcasm I'm hoping.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Dawson Rental on January 07, 2015, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 07, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
Sarcasm I'm hoping.

Hard to believe, I admit, but that's what he seems to be saying.  Hey, Nevada's not that far from New Mexico.

Most likely your skepticism is correct and rather than writing what he posted, he got it from somewhere else and just didn't attribute it to the actual author.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: JWags85 on January 07, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
Good for JD.  Hard to pass up Colorado and Boulder (who actually have put together a nice program recently) and Hawaii, who is getting better, but they must have shown him some good stuff, glad to see him land on his feet.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: keefe on January 08, 2015, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 07, 2015, 10:40:11 PM
Hard to believe, I admit, but that's what he seems to be saying.  Hey, Nevada's not that far from New Mexico.

Most likely your skepticism is correct and rather than writing what he posted, he got it from somewhere else and just didn't attribute it to the actual author.

Murray

He's family
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Tums Festival on January 08, 2015, 05:10:24 AM
Quote from: The Lens on January 07, 2015, 09:15:25 PM
The Liberty Message Board if you're interested, they certainly picked up the Buzz connection.

https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22521&sid=ebeb9d1a4f0eeaa3fa03ce91617ec1ad (https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22521&sid=ebeb9d1a4f0eeaa3fa03ce91617ec1ad)

Seemed like a good kid, was really nice to my son at camp this summer.  Hope he gets some nice run and a degree.


They don't exactly roll out the red carpet for JD on their board.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: brewcity77 on January 08, 2015, 05:53:51 AM
Hopefully it's a better fit for John. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Nevada233 on January 08, 2015, 06:03:59 AM
Quote from: chapman on January 07, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
Wish John the best.  Any idea if he has a chance to have the four minutes waived to get the redshirt?  Or if they'll institute the Josh Smith WTF Rule and not only forgive the minutes (81 in that case!) but let him play right away next year instead of after the semester?

Liberty is working with the NCAA to get his season back. No official word yet.

The fact their changing conferences, to Conference USA and flew to New Mexico on a moments notice to recruit him meant alot.

Texas Tech and Colorado expressed intrest also but he went where he felt was best for him.
Buzz and Brad did the right thing by him even tho they left MU already, their word of approval was significant.

I dont live in Nevada lol, I live in Delaware.... Virginias not far at all..
Liberty is a good school with a good program. 2 years at Marquette have certainly helped him out and it will be good to see him play.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Litehouse on January 08, 2015, 06:14:35 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 07, 2015, 09:35:50 PM
You're a member of the Dawson family?

I thought this was established awhile ago.

His brother?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: reinko on January 08, 2015, 07:01:33 AM
Quote from: keefe on January 08, 2015, 01:08:31 AM
Murray

He's family

Very mature of him as family member to knock the teammates of JD on a public message board for the past year.

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Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Nevada233 on January 08, 2015, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: Litehouse on January 08, 2015, 06:14:35 AM
I thought this was established awhile ago.

His brother?

I thought it was too...

Anyway way you guys take it easy.

Good luck with the rest of your season.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: willie warrior on January 08, 2015, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: jsheim on January 07, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
I've met 4-5 people who've graduated from Liberty and they've all been high quality people....top shelf.  I am happy for John landing there....he enjoys the team, gets a good degree and has a great life.

I hope all these guys we watch and root for coming thru Marquette figure out life without basketball. I wonder what percent of them spend 1yr or more playing bball for a living?
Don't know anybody from Liberty, but if you read through a few of the implied comments above, there is some animosity toward a religious university. How does that square with their love for MU?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 08, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on January 08, 2015, 09:05:46 AM
Don't know anybody from Liberty, but if you read through a few of the implied comments above, there is some animosity toward a religious university. How does that square with their love for MU?

It isn't religious universities generally; it's the schools run by extremists, with rules that go over the top.

I don't recall MU prohibiting me from watching R rated movies or going any further than holding hands with a girl.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 08, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Best of luck to JD and family.

Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GGGG on January 08, 2015, 10:05:24 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 08, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
It isn't religious universities generally; it's the schools run by extremists, with rules that go over the top.


I'm not really comfortable labeling Evangelical Christians as "extremist."
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: keefe on January 08, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 08, 2015, 09:14:05 AM

I don't recall MU prohibiting me from watching R rated movies or going any further than holding hands with a girl.

Last Tango In Paris???
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Pakuni on January 08, 2015, 11:10:50 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 08, 2015, 10:05:24 AM

I'm not really comfortable labeling Evangelical Christians as "extremist."

Not all Evangelicals are extremists, but Jerry Falwell certainly qualifies.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: mu-rara on January 08, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 08, 2015, 11:10:50 AM
Not all Evangelicals are extremists, but Jerry Falwell certainly qualifies.

Jim Jones and David Koresh are extremists.  Jerry Falwell is mainstream by comparison. 

PS.  I am not an evangelical.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Pakuni on January 08, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on January 08, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
Jim Jones and David Koresh are extremists.  Jerry Falwell is mainstream by comparison. 

PS.  I am not an evangelical.


Osama bin Laden and the leaders of ISIS are extremists.
David Koresh and Jim Jones were mainstream by comparison.

p.s. Someone who blames 9/11 on abortion and the gays and believes all schools should be Christian schools is pretty extreme.
But that's just me.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: jesmu84 on January 08, 2015, 12:35:41 PM
Quite the 180 to be praising Buzz now after slandering him last season for playing Derrick ahead of Dawson.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: reinko on January 08, 2015, 12:47:50 PM
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on January 08, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
Jim Jones and David Koresh are extremists.  Jerry Falwell is mainstream by comparison. 

PS.  I am not an evangelical.


This guy?

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Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 08, 2015, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: keefe on January 08, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
Last Tango In Paris???

Never saw that at MU...but I do recall that they showed Psycho at the Varsity during my freshman orientation.  It's rated R, so that won't be happening at Liberty.  Between that and the hand holding limit, 95% of my freshman class would have been expelled before the first day of classes...most of us with multiple violations of the code of conduct. ;D
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 08, 2015, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 08, 2015, 11:30:19 AM


p.s. Someone who blames 9/11 on abortion and the gays and believes all schools should be Christian schools is pretty extreme.
But that's just me.

Agree. I think it's disgusting, wrong headed and extreme when preachers use tragedies to justify their whacky world view. Whether it's Jerry Fawell or Jeremiah Wright, their "Chickens come home to roost" drivel should be condemned for what it is. Thinking that we were being punished for secularism, militarism or any other ism is just crackpots using senseless tragedy to push an agenda. Extreme.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 08, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
Quote from: reinko on January 07, 2015, 08:13:04 PM
I can name plenty guys I am glad to see the leave the program in the last 10 years.

Todd M.
Aaron D.
Patrick H.
Yous M.
Brett R.
Jamal F.



Tan Tommy
Buzz
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Newsdreams on January 08, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
Really liked John, hope the best for him. But will have to agree about Liberty being extreme regarding religion and culture in general.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: mu-rara on January 09, 2015, 09:56:45 AM
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on January 08, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
Really liked John, hope the best for him. But will have to agree about Liberty being extreme regarding religion and culture in general.

Some view Catholicism to be extreme.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: brandx on January 09, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on January 09, 2015, 09:56:45 AM
Some view Catholicism to be extreme.

Who is "some"?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 09, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on January 09, 2015, 09:56:45 AM
Some view Catholicism to be extreme.

True. Read the Nicene (or Apostle's) Creed, a summary of some of the things Catholics (and some other Christian sects) believe. I guarantee that plenty of people would find those beliefs whacky, strange and extreme.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Newsdreams on January 09, 2015, 07:33:22 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 09, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
True. Read the Nicene (or Apostle's) Creed, a summary of some of the things Catholics (and some other Christian sects) believe. I guarantee that plenty of people would find those beliefs whacky, strange and extreme.
All true, but I'm talking about the school not talking about religion.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Texas Western on January 09, 2015, 08:09:31 PM
Plenty of people send their kids to Liberty. I don't have any problem with a morals based institution. I hope they keep growing their athletic department. If John can contribute in a positive way that would be great.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2015, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: Texas Western on January 09, 2015, 08:09:31 PM
Plenty of people send their kids to Liberty. I don't have any problem with a morals based institution. I hope they keep growing their athletic department. If John can contribute in a positive way that would be great.

The two most moral people I know are atheists.

Morality has nothing to do with religion. Jim Bakker was very religious. So is every inmate on death row.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Texas Western on January 09, 2015, 10:55:47 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2015, 09:42:30 PM
The two most moral people I know are atheists.

Morality has nothing to do with religion. Jim Bakker was very religious. So is every inmate on death row.
What is the difference between having a code of conduct at Liberty versus the rampant political correctness at almost any other institution? In my book none. In fact a place like Liberty is actually very inclusive when it comes to other religions., especially the Jewish religion. My dealing with the University on a business transaction was very favorable. First class people .  Not the bible beaters they are made out to be at all.

Like I said , I think John is going to a good place for him. They won't have any problem accepting his Marquette theology credits .
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 09, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Dated a girl once who went to strict Christian school in Texas. When she left, her parents had to submit a list of suitable young men she could see. I did not make the list
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: keefe on January 10, 2015, 01:30:10 AM
Quote from: elephantraker on January 09, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Dated a girl once who went to strict Christian school in Texas. When she left, her parents had to submit a list of suitable young men she could see. I did not make the list

Wear that with pride, friend!
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 10, 2015, 01:35:06 AM
Quote from: Texas Western on January 09, 2015, 10:55:47 PM
What is the difference between having a code of conduct at Liberty versus the rampant political correctness at almost any other institution? In my book none. In fact a place like Liberty is actually very inclusive when it comes to other religions., especially the Jewish religion. My dealing with the University on a business transaction was very favorable. First class people .  Not the bible beaters they are made out to be at all.

Like I said , I think John is going to a good place for him. They won't have any problem accepting his Marquette theology credits .

I assume by "rampant political correctness" you mean using inclusive and non-prejudicial languages/practices.

And take it from someone who works in higher education, they are NOTHING alike. Universities like Liberty are notorious for their discrimination against the LGTQ community and other religions...especially atheists. They also tend support policies that promote patriarchal societies and disenfranchise women. Of course, they are a private, religious institution, so they absolutely have that right.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 10, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2015, 09:42:30 PM
The two most moral people I know are atheists.

Morality has nothing to do with religion. Jim Bakker was very religious. So is every inmate on death row.

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Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on January 10, 2015, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Who is "some"?
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on January 10, 2015, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
Good luck, John.   I hope this is a good fit for you.   
Good fortunes John Dawson...

I want you to do well and am shocked that you had to leave and know you are a strong minded young man and tough nosed player who can succeed.

Being from New Mexico I felt you should have waited and imo you sold yourself short, but I pray you are happy with your decision.

Have a great life on and off the court and in and out of the classroom.

Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: mu-rara on January 10, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Who is "some"?

Too ritualistic
Pray to Mary
Excessive pageantry
Excessive bling
Priests garb too fancy
Pope thinks he's God on earth
Cultish

Some of us believe that Liberty is excessive, Some think Catholicism excessive.  This is America, founded by folks who left England for religious freedom.  As long as nobody is forced to follow one religion, follow what you want.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Warrior Code on January 10, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: reinko on January 08, 2015, 12:47:50 PM
This guy?

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We fly high, no lie, and you know this...
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: keefe on January 10, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on January 10, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
Too ritualistic
Pray to Mary
Excessive pageantry
Excessive bling
Priests garb too fancy
Pope thinks he's God on earth
Cultish

Some of us believe that Liberty is excessive, Some think Catholicism excessive.  This is America, founded by folks who left England for religious freedom.  As long as nobody is forced to follow one religion, follow what you want.

Well, the whole Immaculate Conception thing  makes me think St Joe was an idiot...
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: We R Final Four on January 10, 2015, 07:59:01 PM
Yeah, we still sticking with the whole Adam and Eve story?
How bout Noah and his Ark? Two by two....
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: keefe on January 11, 2015, 03:03:13 AM
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 10, 2015, 07:59:01 PM
Yeah, we still sticking with the whole Adam and Eve story?


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Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: GGGG on March 05, 2015, 02:57:04 PM
Well, Dale Layer has been let go at Liberty.  That means Dawson will be on his fourth college coach in less than two years.  (He really should have waited out the entire year before transferring.)
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: brewcity77 on March 05, 2015, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 05, 2015, 02:57:04 PMWell, Dale Layer has been let go at Liberty.  That means Dawson will be on his fourth college coach in less than two years.  (He really should have waited out the entire year before transferring.)

It will be interesting to see if Dawson transfers again. Maybe if he leaves at the end of the semester he can salvage 2 years of eligiblity starting in 2016-17.

I wonder if he will be the only Marquette transfer to see his college coach leave before playing for him. Hearing that the Bulls may want to fire Thibs and replace him with Hoiberg.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2015, 04:57:05 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 05, 2015, 02:59:50 PM

I wonder if he will be the only Marquette transfer to see his college coach leave before playing for him. Hearing that the Bulls may want to fire Thibs and replace him with Hoiberg.

Speaking of squirmy....Gar Forman coached Fred under Tim Floyd at ISU so that rumor is very solid. Floyd and Forman are 10's on the Squirm-o-meter.
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: tower912 on March 05, 2015, 05:01:50 PM
I feel bad for John.   I wish him nothing but the best.    This is one of those moments where, if he weren't banned, I would be peeking at what ners had to say and LMFAO. 
Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 05, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
Tough break for Dawson.

If he has family or friends reading this, I wish him (and his family) best of luck.

Hope he finds a situation he likes (maybe it's still Liberty).

Title: Re: John Dawson to Liberty
Post by: chapman on March 05, 2015, 05:17:46 PM
Maymon, Reggie Smith, now Dawson.  On the flip, our own Fischer.  Not that end of year transfers are guaranteed to play for the coach they commit to after sitting out the full year, but it's got to be rough to change scenery and be a previous coach's commit who hasn't yet played for the new school but already sat for transferring.
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