Props to Real Chili 83!
1. Luke
2. Du. But 9-17 from the line?
3. JjJ
4. Juan
Any other game, it could have been any of them. JjJ and Juan could be flip flopped. But tonight, it's the traditional from Germantown. He was very good and made others better.
Go Warriors!
My opinion is Luke, but if it were to go to Duane or JJJ I wouldn't fuss.
1. The big Fisch
2. The energizer Duany
3. Need to hit a JJJ cuz he sure did everything else.
Luke
The big smurf.
Luke. JJJ and Duane had great games, but the difference for this team when Luke was in versus out was crazy. 19/9 and extremely efficient gets him the SOTG.
Quote from: forgetful on December 16, 2014, 10:05:02 PM
Luke. JJJ and Duane had great games, but the difference for this team when Luke was in versus out was crazy. 19/9 and extremely efficient gets him the SOTG.
Luke all the way.
Luke
1. Luke (5 blocks is HUGE)
2. JJ (Shot the ball well, great in transition, 3 steals)
3. Duane (Would be #2 if not for the bad day at the line)
4. Juan (love the effort and assists)
Luuuuuuuuuuuuke.
Luke changed the team from the first minute he stepped on the floor
The really tall smurf
JJJ
Luke
Luke
Luke.
Honorable mention to Juan for a monster 1st half.
Let's get JJJ some goggles that makes every team look like ASU to him.
1. Luke
2. JjJ
3. Duane
4. Juan
Luke for sure. Great game from JJJ too, hopefully this game can bring some confidence and he brings it like this the rest of the year.
1. Luke
2. JJJ
3. Duane-- would have been 2 if he made 3 or 4 more FT
I am not sure the SOTG list grows much beyond the ones already listed plus Luke. Maybe Juan sneaks one in.
Luke
Great when you have 4 legit candidates as Luke, JJJ, Juan and Duane all had very nice games. And Wojo deserves some props too.
1. Duane Wilson - It's easy to give this to Luke for obvious reasons, BUT Duane's the best player on the floor and if he makes his FT's at his usual rate it's not even close. He was the catalyst.
1a. Luke Fischer - Great positioning defending the rim. Most young (and really all) big guys get their upper bodies to the spot first. Fischer was outstanding at getting his feet there first so he could alter shots without fouling.
1b. Jujuan Johnson - It's too bad he hasn't played this way for the last 7 games or this team wins at least one more against MSU, UW, or OSU.
2. Juan Anderson - Seven assists and his energy set the tone from the opening tip.
Luke is a difference maker. He changes the team in the best way.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 16, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
Luke is a difference maker. He changes the team in the best way.
I agree, but I think where he will struggle is with the athletic 6'8" to 6'9" guys from the likes of Villanova, St. John's and Georgetown.
Viva Fischconsin
1.Big Luke
2. JJJ
3. Duane
4. Juan
Boys played real hard today, looked like warriors
LUUUUUUUUUKE!
Cool hand Luke.
Luke... The team looks different when he is on the floor!
1. Luke
2. JJJ, Juan, Duane.
Surprised Big Fischy isn't already up on the board.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 16, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
Surprised Big Fischy isn't already up on the board.
+1. Luke.
Luke and JJJ.
For Duane... I love you but you can't go 9-17 from the charity stripe and be in the discussion.
I get that people love to go for the new (to them) player that did very well. Or the guy that scored the most points(jjj), but I still think Duane isn't getting enough love. Sure 9-17ft, but that's a better percentage than Luke's 1-2. and the rest of the line compares favorably...Luke wins blocks, but Duane blows Luke away in steals, and assists...
TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
01 Wilson, Duane....... g 5-8 0-0 9-17 1 4 5 4 19 4 2 1 3 34
23 Johnson, Jajuan..... 10-16 0-2 2-2 0 4 4 1 22 1 3 0 3 32
40 Fischer, Luke....... 9-11 0-0 1-2 1 8 9 3 19 1 1 5 0 33
Like.
Entire package, including defense was the difference.
Luke was bigger than the stat sheet shows. He was credited with 5 blocks, but probably alerted at least double that. Tonight wasn't just a case of being new, Luke was dominant and deserving.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 16, 2014, 11:39:43 PM
Luke was bigger than the stat sheet shows. He was credited with 5 blocks, but probably alerted at least double that. Tonight wasn't just a case of being new, Luke was dominant and deserving.
I'd argue that if you take either Fischer, Duane or JJJ out of tonights game we lose the game. I give the nod to Duane because even though his FTs didn't fall he drew 8 fouls against ASU and made them severely alter their second half rotation.
When was the last time we had a player with 19 pts, 9 rebounds and 5 blocks. Very rare, add to that all the altered shots and it was a dominating performance by Luke. The guards played well, but Luke's game is a rare performance.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
I get that people love to go for the new (to them) player that did very well. Or the guy that scored the most points(jjj), but I still think Duane isn't getting enough love. Sure 9-17ft, but that's a better percentage than Luke's 1-2. and the rest of the line compares favorably...Luke wins blocks, but Duane blows Luke away in steals, and assists...
TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
01 Wilson, Duane....... g 5-8 0-0 9-17 1 4 5 4 19 4 2 1 3 34
23 Johnson, Jajuan..... 10-16 0-2 2-2 0 4 4 1 22 1 3 0 3 32
40 Fischer, Luke....... 9-11 0-0 1-2 1 8 9 3 19 1 1 5 0 33
Look at how efficient Luke was offensively. Combine that with the downright MASSIVE impact he had on the defensive end. Duane was great tonight - Luke was better.
I'd argue that Duane wouldn't have had as good of a game without Luke. The opposite holds true as well...but not as much, IMHO
Quote from: mattyv1908 on December 16, 2014, 11:48:35 PM
I'd argue that if you take either Fischer, Duane or JJJ out of tonights game we lose the game. I give the nod to Duane because even though his FTs didn't fall he drew 8 fouls against ASU and made them severely alter their second half rotation.
I think that's probably true, but Luke did well against Jacobson and had Blakes terrified of driving in the second half. Part of it is expectation, and when Duane goes to the line 17 times, I expect a few more makes. For me, the offense tonight was nice but the defense looked transformed, and that was pretty much all Luke.
Luke changed the complexion of the game with his blocked shots and presence. So definitely SOTG. JJJ had an outstanding night. The degree of difficulty of some of his shots was very high. So he gets Honorable Mention. Duane was a force as well and gets Honorable Mention as well. The fly in the ointment with him was the missed free throws, which I think was just a case of being over excited, as most missed long.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2014, 12:10:11 AM
I think that's probably true, but Luke did well against Jacobson and had Blakes terrified of driving in the second half. Part of it is expectation, and when Duane goes to the line 17 times, I expect a few more makes. For me, the offense tonight was nice but the defense looked transformed, and that was pretty much all Luke.
We really could make the case for a three headed SotG tonight. I'm just pleased that we had more than one who deserved it.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2014, 12:06:20 AM
I'd argue that Duane wouldn't have had as good of a game without Luke. The opposite holds true as well...but not as much, IMHO
Luke had a fantastic game. I would have changed my vote had the majority of his points been on offensive put backs, but five of his made FGs came from fantastic passes and were easy stuffs which any big would make (well Otule and Steve may have struggled).
Quote from: mattyv1908 on December 17, 2014, 12:20:20 AM
We really could make the case for a three headed SotG tonight. I'm just pleased that we had more than one who deserved it.
This gets my vote. All 3 were great. And quite fun to watch.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
I get that people love to go for the new (to them) player that did very well. Or the guy that scored the most points(jjj), but I still think Duane isn't getting enough love. Sure 9-17ft, but that's a better percentage than Luke's 1-2. and the rest of the line compares favorably...Luke wins blocks, but Duane blows Luke away in steals, and assists...
TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
01 Wilson, Duane....... g 5-8 0-0 9-17 1 4 5 4 19 4 2 1 3 34
23 Johnson, Jajuan..... 10-16 0-2 2-2 0 4 4 1 22 1 3 0 3 32
40 Fischer, Luke....... 9-11 0-0 1-2 1 8 9 3 19 1 1 5 0 33
How many times did ASU players think about going into the lane but change their minds because Luke was in there? How many shots did they throw awkwardly at the rim because they were worried the shots would get blocked? How many passes were fumbled because of Luke's presence? For all the "tangibles" Luke provided, the intangibles were through the roof.
Frankly, I don't think SoG should even be close, and it has nothing to do with "shiny and new."
When Luke wasn't on the court, it was as if there was a red carpet to the rim. When he was in there, it was as if a wall had been built in front of the basket.
I did not expect to be this impressed by him but I obviously was.
And really ... 9-of-17 is a better percentage than 1-2? You didn't really say that, did you, rocky? I loved what Duane brought but I'm sure he'd be the first to say 9-17 is totally unacceptable for anybody, let alone such an outstanding shooter.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
And really ... 9-of-17 is a better percentage than 1-2? You didn't really say that, did you, rocky? I loved what Duane brought but I'm sure he'd be the first to say 9-17 is totally unacceptable for anybody, let alone such an outstanding shooter.
I did. And it's true.
It's a tough call between the two. I'm just soliciting more opinions before I get to throw them all away and make the decision :)
I will say one thing.
It sure is great having 3 legit SOTG canidates and a 4th(Juan) that is very deserving of honorable mention.
If we keep consistently duplicating performances like these...I will venture we have a lot of fun in BE play.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on December 16, 2014, 10:16:38 PM
1. Duane Wilson - It's easy to give this to Luke for obvious reasons, BUT Duane's the best player on the floor and if he makes his FT's at his usual rate it's not even close. He was the catalyst.
1a. Luke Fischer - Great positioning defending the rim. Most young (and really all) big guys get their upper bodies to the spot first. Fischer was outstanding at getting his feet there first so he could alter shots without fouling.
1b. Jujuan Johnson - It's too bad he hasn't played this way for the last 7 games or this team wins at least one more against MSU, UW, or OSU.
2. Juan Anderson - Seven assists and his energy set the tone from the opening tip.
This is an astute observation. That's what impressed me the most about the young man.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2014, 12:30:06 AM
And really ... 9-of-17 is a better percentage than 1-2? You didn't really say that, did you, rocky? I loved what Duane brought but I'm sure he'd be the first to say 9-17 is totally unacceptable for anybody, let alone such an outstanding shooter.
I agree with you that Luke changed the game last night more than anyone else.... but..... I really question your math skills.
The fish changed the complexion of the game. Quel difference!
No one is going to argue that Duane or JJJ don't deserve it. My argument is that Luke deserved it more. Efficiency, rebounds, blocks. Looked winded at the end, but that is expected.
I agree that both Duane and JjJ played very solid SOG games. But Luke absolutely changed the game and perhaps the entire outlook for our team this year. That was simply the best center play at both ends of the court for the Warriors since Jimmy Mac. He was the best player on the floor by a good margin and made everyone around him better.
Luke
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on December 17, 2014, 05:17:52 AM
I agree with you that Luke changed the game last night more than anyone else.... but..... I really question your math skills.
Uh, 1-2=50%
9-17=52.94%
Therefore, Rocky's math skill's > Rushmore's.
But c'mon Rock, Luke altered shots, blocked shots, opened the lane for Du and JjJ and otherwise changed the Warrior's game as we know it! Give it to the big fella!
I'd personally argue that last night can't be examined by box score numbers alone. Luke owned the floor. ASU shot poorly because of Luke. We rebounded as a team better because of Luke. Our guards drove the rim more effectively because of Luke. We had important players who had 'off' nights (Carlino and Derrick). It didn't matter one hill of beans because we're a MUCH better team than last week BECAUSE of Luke.
Luke. Christmas came early. Did not expect a game changer like that in his first game.
Quote from: jsglow on December 17, 2014, 07:45:25 AM
I'd personally argue that last night can't be examined by box score numbers alone. Luke owned the floor. ASU shot poorly because of Luke. We rebounded as a team better because of Luke. Our guards drove the rim more effectively because of Luke. We had important players who had 'off' nights (Carlino and Derrick). It didn't matter one hill of beans because we're a MUCH better team than last week BECAUSE of Luke.
I'd argue that the defense by Luke provided many of the fast break opportunities for JjJ and Du.
Gotta be Luke. His presence on the court changed how MU played. Only times I got a bit concerned about AS making a run was when he was out. Hopefully he is a catalyst for JJJ's game as well. Guards seemed much more confident and relaxed when Luke was on the floor. Almost too relaxed as they seemed to forget about him a bit on Offense in the 2nd half.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 17, 2014, 08:00:38 AM
I'd argue that the defense by Luke provided many of the fast break opportunities for JjJ and Du.
Absolutely agree. Great point.
Luke Skyblocker
Luke over JjJ and Duane, but special props to Juan Anderson for the quintessential floor game. He was in the middle of everything when we took control of the game.
Have to go with Luke, but might have changed my vote if the team would just practice shooting free throws
I really love it when we can have a spirited discussion over which deserving player is most deserving.
That said, Luke gets my vote.
Feed the Fisch.
Quote from: LA on December 16, 2014, 10:06:11 PM
1. Luke (5 blocks is HUGE)
2. JJ (Shot the ball well, great in transition, 3 steals)
3. Duane (Would be #2 if not for the bad day at the line)
4. Juan (love the effort and assists)
1. Luke (5 blocks is HUGE)
AGREE
Quote from: tower912 on December 17, 2014, 06:14:18 AM
No one is going to argue that Duane or JJJ don't deserve it. My argument is that Luke deserved it more. Efficiency, rebounds, blocks. Looked winded at the end, but that is expected.
C'mon, let's just do cerberus and go three headed monster.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 17, 2014, 07:37:07 AM
Uh, 1-2=50%
9-17=52.94%
Therefore, Rocky's math skill's > Rushmore's.
But c'mon Rock, Luke altered shots, blocked shots, opened the lane for Du and JjJ and otherwise changed the Warrior's game as we know it! Give it to the big fella!
I believe it was my math skills that were being questioned. And I will admit that I became a writer because it didn't involve much math. But I knew when I wrote my post that 9-for-17 was better than 1-2 percentage-wise. That's not what I was questioning.
I was questioning whether the stat was significant enough to be included as a reason to pick one stud over another. One could make a pretty decent argument that missing 8 FTs would be a negative factor.
I was stunned every time one of those FTs clanked, too, because the kid is an amazing shooter and I think he was at around 90% going into the game.
Otherwise, I loved Duane's game and have confidence in his FT shooting going forward.
Luke impacted this particular game more, however. Aside from Carlino's 38-point game, I believe this was the biggest game-changing performance we've had all season. The numbers were superb and the intangibles were off the chart.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2014, 12:16:35 PM
I believe it was my math skills that were being questioned. And I will admit that I became a writer because it didn't involve much math. But I knew when I wrote my post that 9-for-17 was better than 1-2 percentage-wise. That's not what I was questioning.
I was questioning whether it was the stat was significant enough to be included as a reason to pick one stud over another. One could make a pretty decent argument that missing 8 FTs would be a negative factor.
I was stunned every time one of those FTs clanked, too, because the kid is an amazing shooter and I think he was at around 90% going into the game.
Otherwise, I loved Duane's game and have confidence in his FT shooting going forward.
Luke impacted this particular game more, however. Aside from Carlino's 38-point game, I believe this was the biggest game-changing performance we've had all season. The numbers were superb and the intangibles were off the chart.
I think it just got into Duane's head after he missed those first three. He's a very good free throw shooter. He'll bounce back. All's good.
Is there a reason that I can't see the SOTG graphic? It hasn't been showing up on my screen on desktop or mobile all year. And it's not a "picture won't load" problem. It just is never there, like I accidentally hid it or something.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 17, 2014, 07:37:07 AM
Uh, 1-2=50%
9-17=52.94%
Therefore, Rocky's math skill's > Rushmore's.
In the original post he said that 1-2 was a better percentage than 9-17.
Rushmore's math skills > Rocky's math skills > Lighthouse reading comp
Seriously though, I get what you're saying about the significance of the stat. It's a good point. But I think 9-17 is a pretty good line..... the free throws, I'll give that to you.
I agree completely on your order. Watching last night, all I could think about was Al McGuire saying it took 3 1/2 stars to win a championship. Your top 3 were all unstoppable stars most of the night, and for two years I've had Juan as one of the most underrated players who does so many things. I also do like that Carlino saw others had the hot hand and didn't insist on being "the man." The wrap by BYU friends had on him was that he was always going to take 20 shots a game even if he was cold and others were hot, but his ability to go out and score 38 when we had to have it but be content to go to the others on an offnight was great for me
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 16, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Props to Real Chili 83!
1. Luke
2. Du. But 9-17 from the line?
3. JjJ
4. Juan
Any other game, it could have been any of them. JjJ and Juan could be flip flopped. But tonight, it's the traditional from Germantown. He was very good and made others better.
Go Warriors!
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on December 17, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
In the original post he said that 1-2 was a better percentage than 9-17.
No I didn't...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
Sure 9-17ft, but that's a better percentage than Luke's 1-2
Anyhow, sorry for the delay, busy day. Luke is the Stud...I I'll post it, but will have to look up a picture later.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
Anyhow, sorry for the delay, busy day. Luke is the Stud...I I'll post it, but will have to look up a picture later.
Seems Like Fischer pulled a last minute upset :P
(http://imgix.scout.com/129/1297300.jpg?w=600&h=360&fit=max)
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_action/10629575.jpeg)
Though an IU shorts pic might be just what we all need...
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Luke+Fischer+Evansville+v+Indiana+HiXOA-1x77al.jpg)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
No I didn't...
Anyhow, sorry for the delay, busy day. Luke is the Stud...I I'll post it, but will have to look up a picture later.
Use this for a picture....
Quote from: chapman on December 17, 2014, 01:05:15 PM
Seems Like Fischer pulled a last minute upset :P
He was just more
Likeable
Nice action shot rocky. I believe that was the nice pass by Juan for the rim rocker throw down.