I missed last night's show. Any insights?
I didn't listen but I know Wojo was on the road recruiting so Duane and Derrick filled in. If anyone listened I'd love to hear a recap, thanks.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=71&c=766&f=3739183
Wojo took the high road regarding transfers. Wished them well. Discussed the epidemic of transfers in college basketball. When he played, he felt he was responsible for how much playing time he earned. Spoke glowingly of Luke, but tempered that with the fact that Luke hasn't played for a year. Luke can play either zone or man. Team is going to continue to play both defenses. Then the Wilson's took over.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
Wojo took the high road regarding transfers. Wished them well. Discussed the epidemic of transfers in college basketball. When he played, he felt he was responsible for how much playing time he earned.
Yep! You want it bad enough you will adjust, learn and work harder.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
Wojo took the high road regarding transfers. Wished them well. Discussed the epidemic of transfers in college basketball. When he played, he felt he was responsible for how much playing time he earned.
It's almost as if he is telling his players to work hard all the time. As if every day were a battle. Perhaps he's suggesting they, I dunno...win every day?
Duane says calls the Derrick 'the Vet'. Calls Derrick the leader, gets the team going, reminds them to play hard every day. Coaching staff is always in Derrick's ear encouraging him to lead. Derrick learned to lead from DJO, Jae, Chris, Junior. Taught him to show up every day and try to get better every day.
Duane's favorite nicknames for himself are 'scrappy', and 'swaggy'.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2014, 10:09:40 AM
Duane says calls the Derrick 'the Vet'. Calls Derrick the leader, gets the team going, reminds them to play hard every day. Coaching staff is always in Derrick's ear encouraging him to lead. Derrick learned to lead from DJO, Jae, Chris, Junior. Taught him to show up every day and try to get better every day.
Duane's comments should get some of the morons all riled up. Duane must be another one who is clueless, in addition to two coaching staffs.
Derrick says he isn't surprised that Duane went for 30 because he sees how hard Duane works every day in practice.
Duane: Wojo's favorite words are 'Compete' and 'fight'. Wojo loves defense, has convinced Duane that defense leads to offense.
Derrick: Going after every rebound. Nobody does a Wojo impression yet. Giggling over the floor slap in Orlando vs Tennessee.
Luke's presence isn't going to change the guard play. Will help with rebounding, having a big presence both on offense and defense, helpful in getting paint touches.
Thanks Tower, keep em coming
Coach was fired up before the Tennessee game, got a little excited, he kept on going even after he put the hole in the whiteboard. Didn't stop his pre-game pumping up. It fired up the team even more. Duane thinks he may have done it on purpose.
Zone defense: It cut down on transition points. Kind of random. Coaches put it in, didn't spend a lot of time on it, went to it against GTECH and it worked. Slows down the other team. Makes other team work harder for their shot. Wojo emphasized boxing out in the zone. We're not big, we're not athletic. Gotta put a body on other team. Boxing out is the smartest thing to do. Can help draw fouls against undisciplined teams.
Looking forward to unlimited work over Christmas break.
My take: The Wilson's really respect each other. Duane looks up to Derrick and Derrick is doing his best to be the best leader he can be. Derrick really admires Duane's work ethic and how he tries to get better every day. They recognize the team's physical limitations but are both all in for Wojo.
Loved when Duane said he was looking forward to the break, so they can focus entirely on getting better.
Wojo loves the kid, and it's easy to see why.
Derrick and Duane did a fine job. Tower captured it all. Count on those two being on the floor 30+ every game.
I think I gained some modest insight into Wojo. He knows that he's where he's at because Coach K told him he needed to get better or, said another way, win every day and that the responsibility for doing that rested squarely on his own shoulders. He'll reward guys (and recruit guys) who are committed the same way. Wojo believes it to be a privilege to wear the Marquette uniform.
Nice summary Tower!
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 12, 2014, 10:43:43 AM
Loved when Duane said he was looking forward to the break, so they can focus entirely on getting better.
Wojo loves the kid, and it's easy to see why.
He's a coaches kid. He really "gets it" and Wojo knows. I really am excited to see him unleashed more and more.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 12, 2014, 10:13:38 AM
Duane's comments should get some of the morons all riled up. Duane must be another one who is clueless, in addition to two coaching staffs.
Umm just curious...
Are you really expecting a student athlete to say one of his teammates sucks complete ass if that is what he believes? LOL cmon dude.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 01:16:08 PM
Umm just curious...
Are you really expecting a student athlete to say one of his teammates sucks complete ass if that is what he believes? LOL cmon dude.
So Duane isn't telling the truth?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 01:16:08 PM
Umm just curious...
Are you really expecting a student athlete to say one of his teammates sucks complete ass if that is what he believes? LOL cmon dude.
Well then, how do you ever accept it as the truth??
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 12, 2014, 01:27:05 PM
So Duane isn't telling the truth?
Did I say that?
I really don't care if praises Derrick or not
But to say it "proves" anything is mental. Show me one college athlete that has went public about a teammate and said anything negative regarding their play.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 01:31:19 PM
Did I say that?
I really don't care if praises Derrick or not
But to say it "proves" anything is mental. Show me one college athlete that has went public about a teammate and said anything negative regarding their play.
True, but athletes generally don't go out of their way to praise a team if they don't believe it.
I get what your saying. It doesn't prove anything. Same way that Wojo calling Derrick "terrific" or Davante calling Dawson "the best PG on the team" really proves anything. The way you said it however made it sound like you thought Duane didn't mean it when he said those things. I think Duane meant every word said.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 01:31:19 PM
Did I say that?
I really don't care if praises Derrick or not
But to say it "proves" anything is mental. Show me one college athlete that has went public about a teammate and said anything negative regarding their play.
I'll take your point there are not many but here is one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/sports/college-basketball-st-john-s-glover-also-trying-to-lead-off-court.html
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 12, 2014, 01:42:52 PM
True, but athletes generally don't go out of their way to praise a team if they don't believe it.
I get what your saying. It doesn't prove anything. Same way that Wojo calling Derrick "terrific" or Davante calling Dawson "the best PG on the team" really proves anything. The way you said it however made it sound like you thought Duane didn't mean it when he said those things. I think Duane meant every word said.
Yeah probably shouldn't have even said anything since I want nothing to do with another 4 pages of Derrick lol. While Ners clearly has his issues(many of them) it is comes like that from the other side that are going to really bait the beast. I just tired to get out ahead of it and show that is far from definitive support.
Duane probably does really love the leadership and experience that Derrick brings however.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 12, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
I'll take your point there are not many but here is one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/sports/college-basketball-st-john-s-glover-also-trying-to-lead-off-court.html
lol didn't know about that good find. But that was more of a disappointed in the whole team we got to improve thing. He didn't call out a player individually.
You are going to have to explain how reporting what Derrick, Duane, and Wojo said is baiting the beast. The beast is looking for reasons to be baited and would use emoticons as justification if he had to.
Kobe just threw half of his team under the bus.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2014, 01:53:17 PM
You are going to have to explain how reporting what Derrick, Duane, and Wojo said is baiting the beast. The beast is looking for reasons to be baited and would use emoticons as justification if he had to.
Really didn't think common sense required explanation...
"Duane's comments should get some of the morons all riled up. Duane must be another one who is clueless, in addition to two coaching staffs."
That more than just heavily implying that a student athletes "on air" comments about a teammate are the be all end all truth.
This is the EXACT type of comment that has gotten Ners going for the past year. Further showing that this Ners/Derrick problem is a two sided problem. It is always brought up and then escalated.
I hope that me point out a common sense breakdown of a student athletes interview would squash the idiocracy. But, alas we are well on our way to another legendary thread.
I missed that inflammatory post. Mea Culpa. Now, let me ask this. If it weren't for Ners, would what Derrick and Duane said be anything other than boilerplate with a little positive insight? I LIKE hearing from a senior that a redshirt freshman has a great work ethic. I LIKE hearing that the red-shirt freshman acknowledges and respects the leadership the senior is bringing. That is as it should be and I am hoping that Duane is absorbing how to be a leader from Derrick so that he can lead next year. Because of the history of this board, and one poster in particular, these are somehow controversial, challenging statements. Does that say more about Duane/Derrick, more about the poster, or more about this board?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 01:31:19 PM
Show me one college athlete that has went public about a teammate and said anything negative regarding their play.
Tanned Tommy does this publicly after every defeat
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
I missed that inflammatory post. Mea Culpa. Now, let me ask this. If it weren't for Ners, would what Derrick and Duane said be anything other than boilerplate with a little positive insight? I LIKE hearing from a senior that a redshirt freshman has a great work ethic. I LIKE hearing that the red-shirt freshman acknowledges and respects the leadership the senior is bringing. That is as it should be and I am hoping that Duane is absorbing how to be a leader from Derrick so that he can lead next year. Because of the history of this board, and one poster in particular, these are somehow controversial, challenging statements. Does that say more about Duane/Derrick, more about the poster, or more about this board?
Totally agree. And the funny thing is that people here thought Derrick was gonna sit a lot this year. There was no doubt whatsoever that Derrick was going to be the leader of this team whether it was for Wojo or a different coach.
He is exactly what a new coach would want - an upperclassman who is the hardest worker out on the floor every day. What better way to teach the young guys. /coaches can push and prod all they want - but ultimately it is self-motivation and peer-pressure that push these guys. They want to be respected by their teammates and opponents above all else.
BTW, it's sooooo nice to be able to read a Ners-free thread.
Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2014, 02:43:41 PM
I missed that inflammatory post. Mea Culpa. Now, let me ask this. If it weren't for Ners, would what Derrick and Duane said be anything other than boilerplate with a little positive insight? I LIKE hearing from a senior that a redshirt freshman has a great work ethic. I LIKE hearing that the red-shirt freshman acknowledges and respects the leadership the senior is bringing. That is as it should be and I am hoping that Duane is absorbing how to be a leader from Derrick so that he can lead next year. Because of the history of this board, and one poster in particular, these are somehow controversial, challenging statements. Does that say more about Duane/Derrick, more about the poster, or more about this board?
This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.
I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.
It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.
When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"
Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.
Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.
I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.
It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.
When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"
Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.
Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.
Well said, Hayward. I look at things a lot different than you, (generally much more positive, I think) but you are spot on here. It's so nice to read a thoughtful viewpoint instead of a he sucks/no he doesn't suck thread.
Edit: Not referring to you when I mentioned the he sucks/ no he doesn't stuff.
It wouldn't all go away. When Chicos was banned, there were still asides about Crean. But the day in, day out Crean bashing dries up a lot when Chicos isn't drawn in. Still there occasionally, but not a constant. The Derrick bashing would diminish to an occasional shot if Ners wasn't around to (A) instigate it or (B) be taunted into it.
Quote from: brandx on December 12, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Well said, Hayward. I look at things a lot different than you, (generally much more positive, I think) but you are spot on here. It's so nice to read a thoughtful viewpoint instead of a he sucks/no he doesn't suck thread.
Thanks. It's so much easier when people dole out praise when deserved and express criticisms without going overboard when they are warranted. Rather than arguing every time. I'm hoping the recent JJJ bashing doesn't turn into a replacement for when Derrick is gone :-\.
And yes, you are far more optimistic then me lol. I am more of a extreme optimist in the long run. But very short term pessimistic. Some would say this is extremely unhealthy but leads to a lot of pleasant surprises at least. I think this outlook(which I have for all sports) is mostly due to the Twins fan in me GAHHHHHHH!!!
It's not lost on me that Wojo asked Derrick and Duane to go do his radio show. Both represented very well. Today this is Derrick's team. Down the road a couple years it'll be Duane's.
Quote from: brandx on December 12, 2014, 03:00:59 PM
Totally agree. And the funny thing is that people here thought Derrick was gonna sit a lot this year. There was no doubt whatsoever that Derrick was going to be the leader of this team whether it was for Wojo or a different coach.
He is exactly what a new coach would want - an upperclassman who is the hardest worker out on the floor every day. What better way to teach the young guys. /coaches can push and prod all they want - but ultimately it is self-motivation and peer-pressure that push these guys. They want to be respected by their teammates and opponents above all else.
BTW, it's sooooo nice to be able to read a Ners-free thread.
Did he really get banned?
If so I feel bad making a parody post of his 'how bad was Deonte' topic.
Quote from: jsglow on December 12, 2014, 03:25:08 PMToday this is Derrick's team. Down the road a couple years it'll be Duane's.
Might be as early as next year. Noskowiak will be a big help as well, especially with his fellow freshmen. He bought in early on Wojo and helped bring that class together.
Can't a guy be a team leader without getting 25-30 minutes per game? Could DeWil no longer be team leader if he played 5-10 min per game? The young guys could still benefit from his leadership without having him on the floor IMO.
I am reminded of Earvin Johnson on the early 2000 bucks squad. He was the team captain, rallied the troops, was the liaison between the coach and the team, but he took a backseat role to the big three and I dont remember him playing a lot of minutes or even starting and yet he was the undisputed team leader due to his personality and experience, not his skill (or lack thereof) and playing time.
Quote from: jsglow on December 12, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
It's not lost on me that Wojo asked Derrick and Duane to go do his radio show. Both represented very well. Today this is Derrick's team. Down the road a couple years it'll be Duane's.
That's a great point as well. Duane is shaping up to really be a guy that we can realistically get overexcited about.
Juan is pretty well spoken as well so I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up throughout the year as well but it definitely does say something about the Wilson combo right now.
Quote from: Eldon on December 12, 2014, 03:41:30 PM
Can't a guy be a team leader without getting 25-30 minutes per game? Could DeWil no longer be team leader if he played 5-10 min per game? The young guys could still benefit from his leadership without having him on the floor IMO.
I am reminded of Earvin Johnson on the early 2000 bucks squad. He was the team captain, rallied the troops, was the liaison between the coach and the team, but he took a backseat role to the big three and I dont remember him playing a lot of minutes or even starting and yet he was the undisputed team leader due to his personality and experience, not his skill (or lack thereof) and playing time.
That's Ervin. Earvin is the Magic one. Ervin was a vet and played about 20 mpg for the Bucks. That would be the equivalent of Derrick playing 16.7 mpg. So, I gess your answer is no.
Quote from: Eldon on December 12, 2014, 03:41:30 PM
Can't a guy be a team leader without getting 25-30 minutes per game? Could DeWil no longer be team leader if he played 5-10 min per game? The young guys could still benefit from his leadership without having him on the floor IMO.
I am reminded of Earvin Johnson on the early 2000 bucks squad. He was the team captain, rallied the troops, was the liaison between the coach and the team, but he took a backseat role to the big three and I dont remember him playing a lot of minutes or even starting and yet he was the undisputed team leader due to his personality and experience, not his skill (or lack thereof) and playing time.
Sure sounded to me like Duane appreciates everything Derrick does, on and off the court.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 12, 2014, 03:33:38 PM
Might be as early as next year. Noskowiak will be a big help as well, especially with his fellow freshmen. He bought in early on Wojo and helped bring that class together.
Might be but Steve will be the captain and Duane will give him discretion. Let's remember that Steve captained a very successful Simeon squad. They had one or two decent players and a wee bit of success.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.
I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.
It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.
When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"
Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.
Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.
I disagree with a lot of what you post, but this is excellent!
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on December 12, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.
I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.
It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.
When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"
Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.
Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.
Well said Hayward. Can't find a word I disagree with
Derrick was extremely well spoken. Confident, smooth, proper English, etc. This is what impressed me the most.
Duane was not as smooth, but also very confident. As this kid grows up, he's going to add a lot to MU.
Homer did a great job with easy questions early to get them to relax.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 13, 2014, 04:15:38 AM
Derrick was extremely well spoken. Confident, smooth, proper English, etc. This is what impressed me the most.
Duane was not as smooth, but also very confident. As this kid grows up, he's going to add a lot to MU.
Homer did a great job with easy questions early to get them to relax.
Proper english?? What does this mean?
He probably meant that he used standard american english not african american english.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 13, 2014, 04:15:38 AM
Derrick was extremely well spoken. Confident, smooth, proper English, etc. This is what impressed me the most.
Duane was not as smooth, but also very confident. As this kid grows up, he's going to add a lot to MU.
Homer did a great job with easy questions early to get them to relax.
I know you didn't mean it this way, but this was pretty racist man.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 13, 2014, 04:15:38 AM
Derrick was extremely well spoken. Confident, smooth, proper English, etc. This is what impressed me the most.
Duane was not as smooth, but also very confident. As this kid grows up, he's going to add a lot to MU.
Homer did a great job with easy questions early to get them to relax.
Is that you, Joe Biden?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 13, 2014, 09:38:20 AM
I know you didn't mean it this way, but this was pretty racist man.
I rarely respond to negative comments regarding my posts however the above is un-called for. If you knew me you'd know that I'm the least racist person on the planet. Derrick is majoring in corporate communications. Were I in a position to hire anyone for such a position, I'd be looking for proper English and the type of composure Derrick displayed. I was complimenting him AND his family AND Marquette. There was nothing backhanded or otherwise intended. He presented as a good kid, well-spoken, confident, and handled the interview better than the vast majority of university seniors I've met and interviewed in 25 years of business experience around the world. In 6 short months, Derrick is likely to be entering the business world. I'm sure that many companies would be proud to have someone with his attitude and composure. I know I would.
I urge those of you looking for hidden meanings or intent to slow down and think about how much it might hurt those you are accusing, and how bad it makes this message board look.
It wasn't racist at all. Just a poster with his PC antenna set to exceedingly sensitive. Thanks for the feedback.
Wow! What Insight
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 14, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
I rarely respond to negative comments regarding my posts however the above is un-called for. If you knew me you'd know that I'm the least racist person on the planet. Derrick is majoring in corporate communications. Were I in a position to hire anyone for such a position, I'd be looking for proper English and the type of composure Derrick displayed. I was complimenting him AND his family AND Marquette. There was nothing backhanded or otherwise intended. He presented as a good kid, well-spoken, confident, and handled the interview better than the vast majority of university seniors I've met and interviewed in 25 years of business experience around the world. In 6 short months, Derrick is likely to be entering the business world. I'm sure that many companies would be proud to have someone with his attitude and composure. I know I would.
I urge those of you looking for hidden meanings or intent to slow down and think about how much it might hurt those you are accusing, and how bad it makes this message board look.
I agree he speaks and handles himself better than most other athletes but that shouldn't be surprising when he was born on a military base and has military parents. He was probably raised as a better speaker and presenting himself better than most of us were.
I agree it wasn't racist, there's definitely a way you could've teetered over the boarder if you said you were surprised or something but didn't read any racism in it the way it is.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 13, 2014, 09:38:20 AM
I know you didn't mean it this way, but this was pretty racist man.
Sorry, but I disagree. Two players,both African-American, and he simply noted that he was more impressed with the one who was more composed and spoke proper English.
Would it be racist if he said the exact same things about Luke and Henry in a couple of years?
People have to relax.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 14, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
Sorry, but I disagree. Two players,both African-American, and he simply noted that he was more impressed with the one who was more composed and spoke proper English.
Would it be racist if he said the exact same things about Luke and Henry in a couple of years?
No, because nobody would heap praise on white kid for using proper English.
I'm not suggesting anyone here is a racist, but you'd have to be pretty thick not to understand the undertones of a statement like that. The unspoken implication is that it's somehow unusual or surprising for a young, black man to be well-spoken.
Guys ... Derrick Wilson is a 21-year-old college student. Why wouldn't he be well-spoken and use proper English?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 14, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
No, because nobody would heap praise on white kid for using proper English.
I'm not suggesting anyone here is a racist, but you'd have to be pretty thick not to understand the undertones of a statement like that. The unspoken implication is that it's somehow unusual or surprising for a young, black man to be well-spoken.
Guys ... Derrick Wilson is a 21-year-old college student. Why wouldn't he be well-spoken and use proper English?
You don't get out much, do you? Both of my daughters go to good colleges, and have noticed that many other white kids seem pretty far behind the curve in grammar.
And yes, my eldest daughter has been specifically praised by more than one professor for her English usage in comparison to the other (mostly white) students in the class. My youngest is only a freshman...and she has already had a frustrated professor hold up her paper, and ask the rest of the class why they couldn't put together a properly written three paragraph nonfiction piece.
It happens all the time.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 14, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
No, because nobody would heap praise on white kid for using proper English.
I'm not suggesting anyone here is a racist, but you'd have to be pretty thick not to understand the undertones of a statement like that. The unspoken implication is that it's somehow unusual or surprising for a young, black man to be well-spoken.
Guys ... Derrick Wilson is a 21-year-old college student. Why wouldn't he be well-spoken and use proper English?
Exactly. Nobody would say Matt Carlino uses proper English.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 14, 2014, 10:00:01 AM
You don't get out much, do you? Both of my daughters go to good colleges, and have noticed that many other white kids seem pretty far behind the curve in grammar.
And yes, my eldest daughter has been specifically praised by more than one professor for her English usage in comparison to the other (mostly white) students in the class. My youngest is only a freshman...and she has already had a frustrated professor hold up her paper, and ask the rest of the class why they couldn't put together a properly written three paragraph nonfiction piece.
It happens all the time.
Congrats on having children who speak proper English. I hope you put their English papers on the fridge at home.
None of the above addresses the point, though, to which you apparently choose to be ignorant.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 14, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Congrats on having children who speak proper English. I hope you put their English papers on the fridge at home.
None of the above addresses the point, though, to which you apparently choose to be ignorant.
You specifically said that "nobody would heap praise on a white kid for using proper English." My response directly addresses - and contradicts - your statement. How is that ignoring your point?
Go read a definition of racism in any dictionary. I did. You'll be surprised.
You've got to love PC wars. This has turned into such an exciting thread: Who is the best conformist?
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 14, 2014, 10:40:19 AM
You've got to love PC wars. This has turned into such an exciting thread: Who is the best conformist?
I agree with Stone. Let's move on. I think it'll be great if Wojo regularly asks a player to join him for a segment on the show.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 14, 2014, 01:05:15 AM
I rarely respond to negative comments regarding my posts however the above is un-called for. If you knew me you'd know that I'm the least racist person on the planet. Derrick is majoring in corporate communications. Were I in a position to hire anyone for such a position, I'd be looking for proper English and the type of composure Derrick displayed. I was complimenting him AND his family AND Marquette. There was nothing backhanded or otherwise intended. He presented as a good kid, well-spoken, confident, and handled the interview better than the vast majority of university seniors I've met and interviewed in 25 years of business experience around the world. In 6 short months, Derrick is likely to be entering the business world. I'm sure that many companies would be proud to have someone with his attitude and composure. I know I would.
I urge those of you looking for hidden meanings or intent to slow down and think about how much it might hurt those you are accusing, and how bad it makes this message board look.
The comment you made, while made with the best intentions in the world, could be offensive to others around you. To say you are impressed with a black student for speaking proper english implies that you think it is an achievement for a black person to speak proper english. As someone else pointed out, no one would praise Matt Carlino for speaking proper english. So why do you feel the need to praise Derrick for it? Again, I know that was not your intent, but it was your effect.
This came up on EPSN a few years back during RGIII's Heisman acceptance speech. One of the white anchors on ESPN commented how impressed he was that RGIII used proper english. One of the black sportscasters turned to him and asked "why is that impressive to you? Why do you assume that a black student would use improper english when speaking in public?" They had a dialogue about it and I thought it was a really positive thing to see on a sports broadcast. I watched it live and its always stuck with me. That's why I made a comment in this situation.
I'm not calling you a racist. I'm sure you are a wonderful human being who believes in equality for all. I'm saying you made an unintentional racist comment, which is something that every human being in the world does on a daily basis. I know you meant it as praise and in good spirits. But I'm letting you know that if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
Allow me to apologize as well. I shouldn't have just made a comment "that was pretty racist" and not included any sort of an explanation. That does read like an accusation and it was not my intent. I apologize for putting you on the defensive.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
The comment you made, while made with the best intentions in the world, could be offensive to others around you. To say you are impressed with a black student for speaking proper english implies that you think it is an achievement for a black person to speak proper english. As someone else pointed out, no one would praise Matt Carlino for speaking proper english. So why do you feel the need to praise Derrick for it? Again, I know that was not your intent, but it was your effect.
This came up on EPSN a few years back during RGIII's Heisman acceptance speech. One of the white anchors on ESPN commented how impressed he was that RGIII used proper english. One of the black sportscasters turned to him and asked "why is that impressive to you? Why do you assume that a black student would use improper english when speaking in public?" They had a dialogue about it and I thought it was a really positive thing to see on a sports broadcast. I watched it live and its always stuck with me. That's why I made a comment in this situation.
I'm not calling you a racist. I'm sure you are a wonderful human being who believes in equality for all. I'm saying you made an unintentional racist comment, which is something that every human being in the world does on a daily basis. I know you meant it as praise and in good spirits. But I'm letting you know that if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
Allow me to apologize as well. I shouldn't have just made a comment "that was pretty racist" and not included any sort of an explanation. That does read like an accusation and it was not my intent. I apologize for putting you on the defensive.
Huge respect for this post. Very good points.
Thanks.
I grew up in a small WI town of 1500. Population 99% white, 1% other (mostly Hmong). We had a joke in town. Our high school teaches two foreign languages. French and English!
So like using like proper English is like totally like a problem for like young people like of all races.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
The comment you made, while made with the best intentions in the world, could be offensive to others around you. To say you are impressed with a black student for speaking proper english implies that you think it is an achievement for a black person to speak proper english. As someone else pointed out, no one would praise Matt Carlino for speaking proper english. So why do you feel the need to praise Derrick for it? Again, I know that was not your intent, but it was your effect.
This came up on EPSN a few years back during RGIII's Heisman acceptance speech. One of the white anchors on ESPN commented how impressed he was that RGIII used proper english. One of the black sportscasters turned to him and asked "why is that impressive to you? Why do you assume that a black student would use improper english when speaking in public?" They had a dialogue about it and I thought it was a really positive thing to see on a sports broadcast. I watched it live and its always stuck with me. That's why I made a comment in this situation.
I'm not calling you a racist. I'm sure you are a wonderful human being who believes in equality for all. I'm saying you made an unintentional racist comment, which is something that every human being in the world does on a daily basis. I know you meant it as praise and in good spirits. But I'm letting you know that if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
Allow me to apologize as well. I shouldn't have just made a comment "that was pretty racist" and not included any sort of an explanation. That does read like an accusation and it was not my intent. I apologize for putting you on the defensive.
For whatever it is worth, I believe the correct spelling for the name of our native language is "
English."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
I'm saying you made an unintentional racist comment, which is something that every human being in the world does on a daily basis. I know you meant it as praise and in good spirits. But I'm letting you know that if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
I see you're well trained in the PC world. But what he said wasn't racist. Period. No matter how you try to wiggle around it. It may be offensive to SOMEONE, ANYONE you say it to/about, but it's not racist.
Let me turn your statement around....
if you were to tell a
black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
True statement. But if you want to be PC, yours could be interpreted as racist by needing to point out the color of ones skin that would be required to be offended. See how that works?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
I see you're well trained in the PC world. But what he said wasn't racist. Period. No matter how you try to wiggle around it. It may be offensive to SOMEONE, ANYONE you say it to/about, but it's not racist.
Let me turn your statement around....
if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
True statement. But if you want to be PC, yours could be interpreted as racist by needing to point out the color of ones skin that would be required to be offended. See how that works?
+1
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
I see you're well trained in the PC world. But what he said wasn't racist. Period. No matter how you try to wiggle around it. It may be offensive to SOMEONE, ANYONE you say it to/about, but it's not racist.
Let me turn your statement around....
if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
True statement. But if you want to be PC, yours could be interpreted as racist by needing to point out the color of ones skin that would be required to be offended. See how that works?
I'm not well trained in anything. I'm also not wiggling. I accept your point that any student would be offended by someone being impressed by their use of proper English (thank you wildbill). But why does observing that a white man said that about a black man make me racist? Am I supposed to pretend that people aren't of different races and ergo have different experiences and privileges? It's a common misunderstanding that being inclusive means not "seeing" color. In fact, that is a form of racism known as colorblindness. Being inclusive means you "see" color but don't let it color your opinion of the person.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2014, 09:56:18 PM
why does observing that a white man said that about a black man make me racist? Am I supposed to pretend that people aren't of different races and ergo have different experiences and privileges? It's a common misunderstanding that being inclusive means not "seeing" color. In fact, that is a form of racism known as colorblindness. Being inclusive means you "see" color but don't let it color your opinion of the person.
I said "could be interpreted as racist", I did not call you a racist. You said "that was pretty racist".
It's a big world, lots of things get interpreted incorrectly. Just don't be the guy that jumps to conclusions too fast.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
I see you're well trained in the PC world. But what he said wasn't racist. Period. No matter how you try to wiggle around it. It may be offensive to SOMEONE, ANYONE you say it to/about, but it's not racist.
Let me turn your statement around....
if you were to tell a black student "I'm impressed that you use proper english" there's a good chance that he or she would be offended by your intended praise.
True statement. But if you want to be PC, yours could be interpreted as racist by needing to point out the color of ones skin that would be required to be offended. See how that works?
Well said Rocky. TAMU is a valuable poster and I enjoy his insight. He is also a college administrator, where you need to be PC to move up the ladder, or to prevent being kicked off the ladder. He is a product of his environment.
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on December 15, 2014, 09:19:35 AM
Well said Rocky. TAMU is a valuable poster and I enjoy his insight. He is also a college administrator, where you need to be PC to move up the ladder, or to prevent being kicked off the ladder. He is a product of his environment.
Agreed. TAMU is one of our most valuable posters. And a genuinely good guy to boot. But the orthodoxy of victimhood he embraces is on the fringes in the real world.
Tremendous thread which went from:
Wojo show content to Derrick to Team Leadership to Use of Proper English to Racism to the Value of Individual Posters.
Conclusion:
It must have been a great show.
He speaks so well. He's so well spoken. He's very articulate. He uses proper English.
(http://i.imgur.com/gbLMVoY.jpg)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2014, 10:16:35 PM
I said "could be interpreted as racist", I did not call you a racist. You said "that was pretty racist".
It's a big world, lots of things get interpreted incorrectly. Just don't be the guy that jumps to conclusions too fast.
That's fair. And that's why I apologized for phrasing my original post as an accusation. But as I learned in my intro to comm class at Marquette, intent means nothing, effect means everything. I interpreted the message as a racist comment, ergo it was a racist comment. Which is not a big deal. People make discriminatory comments all the time. It is a part of life. It doesn't mean everyone is a racist, it just means we all do little things without even thinking about it that strengthen a discriminatory culture.
nm- wrong thread, please delete
Quote from: Ellenson for an mu-rara on December 15, 2014, 09:19:35 AM
Well said Rocky. TAMU is a valuable poster and I enjoy his insight. He is also a college administrator, where you need to be PC to move up the ladder, or to prevent being kicked off the ladder. He is a product of his environment.
That's true to an extent. By my viewpoints on these topics started being formed during my time at Marquette (damn liberal Jesuits). I do have to be "on" more when I am at work. And I am much more prone to not point things out or even engage in them when I'm not at work. But this isn't just a product of me trying to stay on the ladder. In fact, at a conservative university like TAMU, I'd probably earn more points if I didn't fight for these viewpoints. For example, trying to fight for creating a specific policy dealing with transgender athletes definitely cost me some points with the older Aggies.
After doing my own reading and research on the topic, I have come to the conclusion that all of our words and actions have consequences. It's important to watch what and how you say things. And if someone calls you out, its not the end of the world. Don't blame them for being offended, look at yourself and reflect upon why you offended them. Apologize, ask for clarification, and move on. Doing just that much would do wonders for our society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM
Quote from: Bleuteaux on December 15, 2014, 12:56:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM
That is my second favorite song from Avenue Q. Here is the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiFD6EFVsTg
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 15, 2014, 05:28:31 PM
That is my second favorite song from Avenue Q. Here is the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiFD6EFVsTg
Agreed. Both songs speak universal truths