Marquette isn't a mid-major program, in a mid-major conference, that is fading from relevance on a poor television network.
Mid-majors don't..
...hire Coach K's top assistant
...bring in what might be a top 5 class in the country
...invest in their facilities like we have seen in the past week
So for all the hand-wringing we saw when Buzz left, let's be clear. Marquette may not be elite. Marquette may never repeat its success of the 1970s. But Marquette is damn good, and very relevant in the world of college basketball.
The next few years are going to be REALLY fun to watch!!!
+1. This should be sent to: buzzwilliams@vt.edu
Quote from: RJax55 on October 09, 2014, 09:55:23 AM
+1. This should be sent to: buzzwilliams@vt.edu
Buzz laid the groundwork for getting Ellenson...
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 09, 2014, 09:57:05 AM
Buzz laid the groundwork for getting Ellenson...
Is that accurate? Everything I've read is that we were in much better position with Stone and pretty much out on Ellenson until Buzzard left and Wojo was hired. Wojo then had no interest on Stone and got Ellenson to do a 180 on Marquette.
Quote from: Bocephys on October 09, 2014, 10:01:53 AM
Is that accurate? Everything I've read is that we were in much better position with Stone and pretty much out on Ellenson until Buzzard left and Wojo was hired. Wojo then had no interest on Stone and got Ellenson to do a 180 on Marquette.
Crap...didn't think I needed teal. I don't do teal.
Given the news this morning, I am guessing there are lots of things that are straight right now. ;D
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
Marquette isn't a mid-major program, in a mid-major conference, that is fading from relevance on a poor television network.
Mid-majors don't..
...hire an assistant coach of who might be the greatest college coach ever
...bring in what might be a top 5 class in the country
...invest in their facilities like we have seen in the past week
So for all the hand-wringing we saw when Buzz left, let's be clear. Marquette may not be elite. Marquette may never repeat its success of the 1970s. But Marquette is damn good, and very relevant in the world of college basketball.
The next few years are going to be REALLY fun to watch!!!
LMAO at #1. He's 0-0
I've been trying to get someone to define "Mid-Major" for a couple years now.
Mid-Major: adj A college basketball team that is not Marquette.
Quote from: RJax55 on October 09, 2014, 09:55:23 AM
+1. This should be sent to: buzzwilliams@vt.edu
Why?
What good does that do Marquette
Buzz was great for Marquette
Quote from: Ganzer's Source on October 09, 2014, 10:04:25 AM
LMAO at #1. He's 0-0
You are correct. But how many assistant coaches at truly elite programs even consider "mid-major" programs?
He may turn out to be a poor coach. But I think the fact that he even considered MU says something. For instance, do you think Wojo would have had interest in the Virginia Tech job?
Quote from: Ganzer's Source on October 09, 2014, 10:04:25 AM
LMAO at #1. He's 0-0
Source, I take it you are more of a "glass half-empty" guy.
He might be and he might not be.
Quote from: Ganzer's Source on October 09, 2014, 10:04:25 AM
LMAO at #1. He's 0-0
I think he was referring to that getting an assistant of Coach K, maybe the greatest of all time, is a big deal, obviously Wojo is unproven, but its still a great hire.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1461756
Quote from: flash on October 09, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
I think he was referring to that getting an assistant of Coach K, maybe the greatest of all time, is a big deal, obviously Wojo is unproven, but its still a great hire.
Exactly... K is possible the greatest coach ever, Wojo was his assistant.
Sentence structure is not the strength of Scoopers, it would seem.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 10:08:23 AM
You are correct. But how many assistant coaches at truly elite programs even consider "mid-major" programs?
He may turn out to be a poor coach. But I think the fact that he even considered MU says something. For instance, do you think Wojo would have had interest in the Virginia Tech job?
I'm totally on board with the sentiment.... now understanding you're referring to Coach K as best coach of all time.... not Wojo
I'll admit I read #1 to mean that you were saying there's a chance Wojo might be the greatest coach of all time. I get it now that he's coming from being the assistant to possibly the best in Coach K.
Quote from: Benny B on October 09, 2014, 10:11:34 AM
Sentence structure is not the strength of Scoopers, it would seem.
Yeah...and I write for a living. <blah>
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 10:11:00 AM
http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1461756
I just love this: "
Now they will need to find consistent shooting and guard play, but things look especially set in the frontcourt.
Not many schools can boast the talent in the frontcourt that Marquette will have."
That's a new one for us.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
Yeah...and I write for a living. <blah>
I should have clarified that I meant more as readers, not as writers.
Even if the rest of the sentence was somewhat awkwardly arranged, the choice of "who" over "whom" was a dead giveaway as to whom you were referring.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 09, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
Crap...didn't think I needed teal. I don't do teal.
Ahh, sorry, my fault. The ellipsis threw me off and made me think you went full Chicos with Bazz credit.
Disagree with Sultan that Marquette is an elite school that has always held basketball in the highest regarded as proven by its fans's undying support and the large monetary investment in the program. The high talent level on the team shows Marquette's continuing effort to field an elite, winning team. I love Marquette basketball yesterday, today and tomorrow!
Quote from: RJax55 on October 09, 2014, 09:55:23 AM
+1. This should be sent to: buzzwilliams@vt.edu
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on October 09, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
Why?
What good does that do Marquette
Buzz was great for Marquette
Perhaps you have already forgotten the comments Buzz made regarding Marquette and, in particular, The Big East on his way out the door to VT.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on October 09, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
Disagree with Sultan that Marquette is an elite school that has always held basketball in the highest regarded as proven by its fans's undying support and the large monetary investment in the program. The high talent level on the team shows Marquette's continuing effort to field an elite, winning team. I love Marquette basketball yesterday, today and tomorrow!
So, I'm having trouble figuring out whether you think MU has or hasn't always held the basketball program in the highest regard. If you think that they have -- what's your disagreement with Sultan?
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 09, 2014, 10:29:26 AM
So, I'm having trouble figuring out whether you think MU has or hasn't always held the basketball program in the highest regard. If you think that they have what's your disagreement with Sultan?
He thinks Marquette is an elite college basketball program. I don't think they are because I really only consider 10 or so programs to be "elite." That was hardly meant as an insult.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 10:08:23 AM
You are correct. But how many assistant coaches at truly elite programs even consider "mid-major" programs?
He may turn out to be a poor coach. But I think the fact that he even considered MU says something. For instance, do you think Wojo would have had interest in the Virginia Tech job?
Half of Coach K's Tree?
(http://www.pacificnorthwestcoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Mike-Krzyzewski-coaching-tree-2.jpg)
This goes right through the empty heads of vadgerville
Let's take a look at this. Snyder, Amaker, Dawkins, Brey and Collins all took jobs in at "Power 5" schools.
Dement: Was on Coach K's staff in the early 80s.
Henderson and O'Toole: Late 90s.
Brickley: Director of Basketball Ops...not an assistant
Capel: Never on Coach K's staff until he was fired from Oklahoma
So you have to go back 15-20 years to find a true assistant that went to a mid-major
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
Marquette isn't a mid-major program, in a mid-major conference, that is fading from relevance on a poor television network.
Mid-majors don't..
...hire Coach K's top assistant
...bring in what might be a top 5 class in the country
...invest in their facilities like we have seen in the past week
So for all the hand-wringing we saw when Buzz left, let's be clear. Marquette may not be elite. Marquette may never repeat its success of the 1970s. But Marquette is damn good, and very relevant in the world of college basketball.
The next few years are going to be REALLY fun to watch!!!
But Myron Medcalf thinks it is!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10987296/looking-bad-head-coaching-jobs-college-basketball
Quote from: LittleEllenson on October 09, 2014, 10:26:03 AM
Perhaps you have already forgotten the comments Buzz made regarding Marquette and, in particular, The Big East on his way out the door to VT.
I've forgotten - can you source that one for me? Looking for the quotes you're referencing.
Quote from: keefe on October 09, 2014, 10:42:21 AM
Half of Coach K's Tree?
(http://www.pacificnorthwestcoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Mike-Krzyzewski-coaching-tree-2.jpg)
So of the guys who still have a HC job, I see an Ivy (that doesn't really count as a high-, mid- or low-major) and a high-major that recruits from the sideshow dept of clown-hosted TV shows.
Other than that, the "K's ass'ts don't coach mid-majors" thing doesn't really hold up based on who still has a HC job.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 10:50:16 AM
Let's take a look at this. Snyder, Amaker, Dawkins, Brey and Collins all took jobs in at "Power 5" schools.
Dement: Was on Coach K's staff in the early 80s.
Henderson and O'Toole: Late 90s.
Brickley: Director of Basketball Ops...not an assistant
Capel: Never on Coach K's staff until he was fired from Oklahoma
So you have to go back 15-20 years to find a true assistant that went to a mid-major
Brey did spend six seasons at Delaware before going to Notre Dame.
Quote from: LAZER on October 09, 2014, 10:53:01 AM
But Myron Medcalf thinks it is!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10987296/looking-bad-head-coaching-jobs-college-basketball
Myron Medcalf wouldn't know a mid-major if it hit him in the head. After all, he's a low-major journalist (made apparent by the fact that the linked article was corrected from the original version more than once).
Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2014, 10:58:35 AM
Brey did spend six seasons at Delaware before going to Notre Dame.
Good point. Mid 90s.
OK maybe my exuberance got the better of me on that point.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
Marquette may not be elite. Marquette may never repeat its success of the 1970s.
Don't bet on it!
We're back!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Ellensonchick on October 09, 2014, 10:03:30 AM
Given the news this morning, I am guessing there are lots of things that are straight right now. ;D
Solid-- go for it Chick.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 09, 2014, 11:01:22 AM
Good point. Mid 90s.
OK maybe my exuberance got the better of me on that point.
I do believe Pakuni was defending your exuberance by pointing out that his second HC job was a big step down from his first.