Poll
Question:
If you were in a fishing boat with Crean and Buzz who would you get sick of and throw overboard first
Option 1: Crean
Option 2: Buzz
This has nothing to do about coaching ability. This should be based on personality, conversation, who's more sincere, or whatever else you want to consider besides coaching ability. Obviously just a fun thing to think about and no seriousness intended...was just watching a movie and they were joking around about 3 friends in a boat and who would get tossed!
Well, we know 4evers answer.... ;)
I voted for Buzz. But that isn't to say he is better or worse than Crean as a person. I just know he would annoy the heck out of me after about 30 minutes alone with him.
And I mean that in the right way. ;)
Is there anyone else on the boat? First instinct was Buzz as he's more annoying, but Crean would be too creepy to be left alone with.
Crean. I would like to have a long talk with Buzz about his thought process in leaving. I would want to hear his explanations for this last season. I think I could learn more about basketball from Buzz. Plus, IMO, buzz would figure out how to get the boat back to shore but Crean would sit there and clap while I did all of the work.
Tower wins with that last comment.
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2014, 02:56:17 PM
Crean. I would like to have a long talk with Buzz about his thought process in leaving. I would want to hear his explanations for this last season. I think I could learn more about basketball from Buzz. Plus, IMO, buzz would figure out how to get the boat back to shore but Crean would sit there and clap while I did all of the work.
This assumes that Bert will actually be honest and forthcoming. That is a very big assumption.
Quote from: keefe on June 07, 2014, 03:29:08 PM
This assumes that Bert will actually be honest and forthcoming. That is a very big assumption.
If I don't like his answers, I will throw his ass in, too, and row to shore by myself.
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
If I don't like his answers, I will throw his ass in, too, and row to shore by myself.
I think Chapman said it best though. Being alone on the Briny with the Bronzed Beast is a disturbing outcome. And as you said, he would clap and swill diet cola while someone else does the heavy lifting. No thank you.
I take that back. I wouldn't throw buzz overboard if I didn't like his answers. I go back to Buzz trying to get the floor dry on the aircraft carrier. If I have to be stranded on a boat, give me the guy willing to get in and 'mop the floor', rather than the sweaty, diet coke drinking clapper who is going to yell at me for the state of the boat. I can learn more basketball from Buzz. If he was actually forthcoming about last year and his reasons for leaving, that would just be gravy.
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2014, 03:38:48 PM
I take that back. I wouldn't throw buzz overboard if I didn't like his answers. I go back to Buzz trying to get the floor dry on the aircraft carrier. If I have to be stranded on a boat, give me the guy willing to get in and 'mop the floor', rather than the sweaty, diet coke drinking clapper who is going to yell at me for the state of the boat. I can learn more basketball from Buzz. If he was actually forthcoming about last year and his reasons for leaving, that would just be gravy.
Of course, Tanned Tommy could whip out his cell and tweet for help from the Harbaughs, Maddux, Larussa, McCarthy, et al I'm sure they would all drop everything to rescue the Bronzed Beast.
You can't name drop your way to shore.
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2014, 03:52:04 PM
You can't name drop your way to shore.
Kinda like you can't name drop your way to a National Championship
None of the above. Just jump off myself, swim to shore and write the boat off as a research expense for mental health studies.
The image of Tom Crean on a small fishing boat is amusing to me
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2014, 02:56:17 PM
Crean. I would like to have a long talk with Buzz about his thought process in leaving. I would want to hear his explanations for this last season. I think I could learn more about basketball from Buzz. Plus, IMO, buzz would figure out how to get the boat back to shore but Crean would sit there and clap while I did all of the work.
This is the best post I have ever read on here. Well done sir.
Who the hell would want to be in a lifeboat listening to the phony downhome lonesome cowboyisms?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
Who the hell would want to be in a lifeboat listening to the phony downhome lonesome cowboyisms?
Death wasn't an option.
Nothing in the poll conditions precludes throwing them both in. In my case, Crean first. Then try and get some straight answers from Brett, after which Brett follows Crean.
Can you imagine Crean clapping while looking at you and saying, "I've been thinking of you a lot lately a whole lot...!" Have to throw him off the boat!
Crean without a doubt. He loves being the center of attention and he thinks so highly of himself, he becomes larger than the programs he runs. He's a self absorbed, insecure jerk. What grown man works on his tan year round?!?!
Buzz has his faults too, but I do believe he has more sincerity and class to him than Crean (which isn't saying a whole lot).
Crean's low moments-
*Yelling at Michigan assistant Jeff Meyer when he should have been celebrating a Big 10 title (it isn't possible to show less class and what a small man one is than that).
*Calling out Seth Davis after their 2012 NCAA win over VCU for daring to have an opinion and picking VCU over IU.
*Weaseling out of Milwaukee without talking to a soul to take the IU job, and his players finding out about it through the media like every other joe average fan.
*Any tweet he puts out, like the one he tells fans not to bother tweeting him, he doesn't read them anyway.
Buzz's low moments-
*Chastising and lecturing McIllvaine over a completely innocuous comment following an MU win.
Crean's got Buzz beat by a mile as a complete a**hat.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 07, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
Crean's low moments-
*Yelling at Michigan assistant Jeff Meyer when he should have been celebrating a Big 10 title (it isn't possible to show less class and what a small man one is than that).
*Calling out Seth Davis after their 2012 NCAA win over VCU for daring to have an opinion and picking VCU over IU.
*Weaseling out of Milwaukee without talking to a soul to take the IU job, and his players finding out about it through the media like every other joe average fan.
*Any tweet he puts out, like the one he tells fans not to bother tweeting him, he doesn't read them anyway.
Buzz's low moments-
*Chastising and lecturing McIllvaine over a completely innocuous comment following an MU win.
Crean's got Buzz beat by a mile as a complete a**hat.
There were more lowpoints to Buzz' tenure, trust me. Still prefer him as a person to Crean.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 07, 2014, 08:37:12 PM
There were more lowpoints to Buzz' tenure, trust me. Still prefer him as a person to Crean.
I agree. I think for both of them I could have added the startling number of transfers and in Buzz's case, kids recruited to MU, and then the rug seemingly pulled out from under them before stepping foot on campus (DJ Newbill for one).
The other one with Buzz that I probably should have included even though it probably was never and can't be proven, is the sexual assault allegations, and how he appeared to cover that up, never going to the authorities himself (except internally at MU is all that I recall he did about that). I think he was even accused of gathering the players allegedly involved early and quickly so everyone's story would be on the same page, but again, doing little or nothing else beyond that. I admit my memory is hazy and I might be off on details, but I think that is essentially how it went down (allegedly).
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 07, 2014, 08:37:12 PM
There were more lowpoints to Buzz' tenure, trust me. Still prefer him as a person to Crean.
TAMU, we get that you think that you know lots more info on what happened with Buzz than a majority of us on the board...at least you have been insinuating it enough lately. To keep making veiled references as to what was going on, or happened with his departure serves nobody on this board any good. If you know what happened great! There is no need to keep making vague statements however.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 07, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
Crean's low moments-
*Yelling at Michigan assistant Jeff Meyer when he should have been celebrating a Big 10 title (it isn't possible to show less class and what a small man one is than that).
*Calling out Seth Davis after their 2012 NCAA win over VCU for daring to have an opinion and picking VCU over IU.
*Weaseling out of Milwaukee without talking to a soul to take the IU job, and his players finding out about it through the media like every other joe average fan.
*Any tweet he puts out, like the one he tells fans not to bother tweeting him, he doesn't read them anyway.
Buzz's low moments-
*Chastising and lecturing McIllvaine over a completely innocuous comment following an MU win.
Crean's got Buzz beat by a mile as a complete a**hat.
Oh, you've missed more than a few. Crean was an a hole to department employees as well as others. Ask employees how wonderful Buzz was the last year plus....you'll get very similar answers. Wait until these upcoming seniors graduate next year, there will be some more asshattery that will reveal itself then.
I would have voted both off the boat....because I'm going to represent the fine people of New Orleans that he bailed on also.
EDIT: TIME STAMPING THIS FOR Lenny's benefit to prove I haven't voted. Note the time of the edit. 3:51PM PST. Note how I haven't voted at all in the poll. Good one Lenny, you are on top of your game again.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 07, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
TAMU, we get that you think that you know lots more info on what happened with Buzz than a majority of us on the board...at least you have been insinuating it enough lately. To keep making veiled references as to what was going on, or happened with his departure serves nobody on this board any good. If you know what happened great! There is no need to keep making vague statements however.
You can make this statement about anything that gets posted on scoop.
"Wojo's Mojo, we get that you are hurt about Buzz leaving. To keep making comments about how bad it as that he left serves nobody on this board any good. If you are hurt, great! There is no need to keep making post about it however."
"Ners, we get that you think Dawson should have started over Derrick last season. To keep making threads about all the reasons why you think Dawson is a superior point guard serves nobody on this board any good. If you know this to be true, great! There is no need to keep making threads about it however.
"Willie, we get that you think Buzz is a terrible and fake basketball coach. To keep calling him a downhome lonseome cowboy serves nobody on this board any good. If you knew he was fake from the beginning, great! There is no need to keep telling us about it however."
"Keefe we get that you think Israeli army women are hot. To keep posting pictures of them on scoop serves nobody on this board any good...wait a minute...this one might actually do some good"
This is a message board. Nothing posted here serves anybody any good. We are just here to discuss Marquette basketball. Nothing meaningful happens on scoop.
I'm actually surprised, I thought you would have enjoyed one of the Slurpificent 5 taking a shot at Buzz.
Now excuse me as I go and cower from the Scoop gods' banhammer...
Crean was self-absorbed.
Buzz was a survivalist.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 08, 2014, 01:13:35 AM
Crean was self-absorbed.
Buzz was a survivalist.
I thought Bert was a survivor. I didn't realize he was a survivalist, too. This explains the Panic Room
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZyVPbcI8ItE/UcUSIpy-BZI/AAAAAAAALHs/jk7CsL70snw/s1600/survivalist+magazine.png)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 08, 2014, 12:48:35 AM
You can make this statement about anything that gets posted on scoop.
"Wojo's Mojo, we get that you are hurt about Buzz leaving. To keep making comments about how bad it as that he left serves nobody on this board any good. If you are hurt, great! There is no need to keep making post about it however."
"Ners, we get that you think Dawson should have started over Derrick last season. To keep making threads about all the reasons why you think Dawson is a superior point guard serves nobody on this board any good. If you know this to be true, great! There is no need to keep making threads about it however.
"Willie, we get that you think Buzz is a terrible and fake basketball coach. To keep calling him a downhome lonseome cowboy serves nobody on this board any good. If you knew he was fake from the beginning, great! There is no need to keep telling us about it however."
"Keefe we get that you think Israeli army women are hot. To keep posting pictures of them on scoop serves nobody on this board any good...wait a minute...this one might actually do some good"
This is a message board. Nothing posted here serves anybody any good. We are just here to discuss Marquette basketball. Nothing meaningful happens on scoop.
I'm actually surprised, I thought you would have enjoyed one of the Slurpificent 5 taking a shot at Buzz.
Now excuse me as I go and cower from the Scoop gods' banhammer...
And TAMU, we get that your one true love is the Buzzster. We get that it offends you deeply when he is criticized as a phony--which he is and which you do not believe. We get that you object to hot babes in uniform. We get that you are Mr. Politically Correct and are the Preacher of all things in your belief world. C'mon Man, lighten up a little. This is a MU board as you said. It is just not only your opinion that is righteous here--even though that is part of your mental DNA. You certainly are not going to stop Keefe or Ners from saying what they believe or want to have fun with. After all it is harmless. Unless your quest is to silence other viewpoints. If so, go work for the Feds in the Justice Department.
Funny thing, your blast here seems to center on several of Buzz's biggest critics. Does the truth hurt? We know how you opine for the Buzzster. likely you are following VT's every basketball move, which is a good thing, because you can keep us up to date on the Buzzster.
This reminds me of an old joke,
You are stranded on a deserted island with Satan, Hitler, and Tom Crean. You have a gun, but it has only two bullets. Who do you shoot?
Crean.
Twice.
I voted Crean. I still like Buzz. I do think Buzz needs to feel wanted and he no longer felt wanted. I think Buzz would of had a mental breakdown, if he stayed at MU another year. Perhaps the better question is who would you want to win if Indiana was playing Virginia Tech.
Quote from: bilsu on June 08, 2014, 09:18:17 AM
I voted Crean. I still like Buzz. I do think Buzz needs to feel wanted and he no longer felt wanted. I think Buzz would of had a mental breakdown, if he stayed at MU another year. Perhaps the better question is who would you want to win if Indiana was playing Virginia Tech.
Ideally, it'd be played on an aircraft carrier with lots of condensation.
Brett would be overly enthusiastically wiping down the floor.
I4 would be guzzling Diet Coke between karate chops and claps.
Both would get swept overboard by a rogue wave.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 08, 2014, 12:48:35 AM
You can make this statement about anything that gets posted on scoop.
"Wojo's Mojo, we get that you are hurt about Buzz leaving. To keep making comments about how bad it as that he left serves nobody on this board any good. If you are hurt, great! There is no need to keep making post about it however."
"Ners, we get that you think Dawson should have started over Derrick last season. To keep making threads about all the reasons why you think Dawson is a superior point guard serves nobody on this board any good. If you know this to be true, great! There is no need to keep making threads about it however.
"Willie, we get that you think Buzz is a terrible and fake basketball coach. To keep calling him a downhome lonseome cowboy serves nobody on this board any good. If you knew he was fake from the beginning, great! There is no need to keep telling us about it however."
"Keefe we get that you think Israeli army women are hot. To keep posting pictures of them on scoop serves nobody on this board any good...wait a minute...this one might actually do some good"
This is a message board. Nothing posted here serves anybody any good. We are just here to discuss Marquette basketball. Nothing meaningful happens on scoop.
I'm actually surprised, I thought you would have enjoyed one of the Slurpificent 5 taking a shot at Buzz.
Now excuse me as I go and cower from the Scoop gods' banhammer...
What does any of this have to do with you continually referencing what you think was really going on with Buzz and the administration? If you believe you know, that's awesome and the first couple of times I didn't have an issue with it. Now you're like a little kid, who runs around telling everyone that you know a secret and they don't. These examples you give aren't not even remotely in the same stratosphere as your little "secrets" that you keep referring to. When I talk about Buzz, that is my opinion. When you refer to the real story, you aren't providing any facts and for all we know these could be just your opinion. I actually believe that you do know more than most of us, but to continually make vague statements is counterproductive. Keep them to yourself.
One last thing. I think there are lots of meaningful bits of information on Scoop. You just have to separate the BS to find the good nuggets of info.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 08, 2014, 01:13:35 AM
Crean was self-absorbed.
Buzz was a survivalist.
I think this is very accurate.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 08, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
This reminds me of an old joke,
You are stranded on a deserted island with Satan, Hitler, and Tom Crean. You have a gun, but it has only two bullets. Who do you shoot?
Crean.
Twice.
Godwin Score!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 08, 2014, 12:48:35 AM
This is a message board. Nothing posted here serves anybody any good. We are just here to discuss Marquette basketball. Nothing meaningful happens on scoop.
WTFO?
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 08, 2014, 08:07:30 AM
This reminds me of an old joke,
You are stranded on a deserted island with Satan, Hitler, and Tom Crean. You have a gun, but it has only two bullets. Who do you shoot?
Crean.
Twice. thought it was Satan, Hitler and Teddy Kennedy.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 08, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
And TAMU, we get that your one true love is the Buzzster. We get that it offends you deeply when he is criticized as a phony--which he is and which you do not believe. We get that you object to hot babes in uniform. We get that you are Mr. Politically Correct and are the Preacher of all things in your belief world. C'mon Man, lighten up a little. This is a MU board as you said. It is just not only your opinion that is righteous here--even though that is part of your mental DNA. You certainly are not going to stop Keefe or Ners from saying what they believe or want to have fun with. After all it is harmless. Unless your quest is to silence other viewpoints. If so, go work for the Feds in the Justice Department.
Funny thing, your blast here seems to center on several of Buzz's biggest critics. Does the truth hurt? We know how you opine for the Buzzster. likely you are following VT's every basketball move, which is a good thing, because you can keep us up to date on the Buzzster.
Wow. TAMU was commenting on how there's all kinds of posters that post their opinion ad nauseum, not that he thought any of these posters were any more right/wrong than the others. If anything he was defending these posters for their right to post whatever they want how much they want.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 08, 2014, 10:49:25 AM
What does any of this have to do with you continually referencing what you think was really going on with Buzz and the administration? If you believe you know, that's awesome and the first couple of times I didn't have an issue with it. Now you're like a little kid, who runs around telling everyone that you know a secret and they don't. These examples you give aren't not even remotely in the same stratosphere as your little "secrets" that you keep referring to. When I talk about Buzz, that is my opinion. When you refer to the real story, you aren't providing any facts and for all we know these could be just your opinion. I actually believe that you do know more than most of us, but to continually make vague statements is counterproductive. Keep them to yourself.
One last thing. I think there are lots of meaningful bits of information on Scoop. You just have to separate the BS to find the good nuggets of info.
Where in this thread did TAMU make any comment regarding Buzz's departure? I only see a comment regarding Buzz's low points regarding his entire career
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 08, 2014, 01:13:35 AM
Crean was self-absorbed.
Buzz was a survivalist.
If you don't think Buzz is self-absorbed, you are kidding yourself. Talk to a department employee from the last year or two.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 08, 2014, 12:34:21 PM
If you don't think Buzz is self-absorbed, you are kidding yourself. Talk to a department employee from the last year or two.
Self-absorbed? He was hurting. This is a man whose tireless efforts were unappreciated by those unworthy to provide professional guidance and oversight. Everyone cheers the warrior during the battle but disdains the sour stench of his body odor in the aftermath of victory. What some see as haughty entitlement is in fact righteous dignity for he knows that all glory is but fleeting!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 08, 2014, 12:34:21 PM
If you don't think Buzz is self-absorbed, you are kidding yourself. Talk to a department employee from the last year or two.
Yeah, which is shocking as year one was completely opposite. Can't speak personally for the other years, but the guys head was inflated with an industrial air compressor, not a bike pump.
Quote from: PTM on June 08, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
Yeah, which is shocking as year one was completely opposite. Can't speak personally for the other years, but the guys head was inflated with an industrial air compressor, not a bike pump.
Goose and I compared notes and he went from clod hoppers and JC Penny off the rack suits to Gucci loafers and tailored threads pretty quickly. I heard stories of how Bert ignored colleagues and berated staff for silly things like the wrong brand of water. That's nuts.
short answer: Both
Long answer: I would ask Crean two questions about basketball tactics, offering him his survival if he got even one of them right. Like... do you call a time out when one of your players is five steps away from a breakaway layup to tie the game with 10 secs left. He would get both wrong (as he does when coaching) and go in first.
Buzz, I would ask one question and allow only one word for an answer... Are you a phony? If he's honest and says yes then I throw him overboard for making me believe his schtick. If he lies and says no I throw him off for lying. If he takes more than one word to answer then we know he's a phony and he's still gone.
Quote from: PTM on June 08, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
Yeah, which is shocking as year one was completely opposite. Can't speak personally for the other years, but the guys head was inflated with an industrial air compressor, not a bike pump.
Yup.
But that happens to a lot of coaches after a little success, but Buzz put it on primma donna overdrive. Good thing people kept buying the schtick in years 3, 4, 5 and 6 however, when it was unbearable there.
Ask some of the folks that had to work with pumpkin head.
Every variable makes Buzz the more likely answer. The wound of his departure is still fresh, the school that he left for is low end rather than blue blood and he's coming off a disappointing season. And who knows how many IP addresses Chico has access to - you know that in spite of all those "Crean's a douche" and "I really like Buzz" phony posts he's voting early and often to throw Buzz overboard. But in spite of all this twice as many Scoopers would deep six TC. Says something very positive about the majority of posters here.
This thread asks the wrong question. The better question would be; "If you were in a fishing boat with Crean and Buzz who would be the first to sight a bigger boat and dive overboard to swim to it?"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 08, 2014, 05:35:13 PM
Every variable makes Buzz the more likely answer. The wound of his departure is still fresh, the school that he left for is low end rather than blue blood and he's coming off a disappointing season. And who knows how many IP addresses Chico has access to - you know that in spite of all those "Crean's a douche" and "I really like Buzz" phony posts he's voting early and often to throw Buzz overboard. But in spite of all this twice as many Scoopers would deep six TC. Says something very positive about the majority of posters here.
LOL. Look, I realize your dreamboat left the program, but I haven't even voted on this poll, but good try. It's funny, when the voting isn't like you like it, then it must be something mischievous. What are you, 8 years old? LOL
Here's proof...read it and weep. Haven't even voted...just edited the post right below the voting to prove it to you. As tribute to you, I named the photo "lenny_conspiracy". Why don't you ask the mods who has voted, since you are now out there accusing people of something they didn't do.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/333d83p.jpg)
Anybody actually talk to TC since he left? One of my friends saw him outside of the Holocaust Museum in DC of all places, waited in line behind him to get in. After introducing himself as an MU grad, TC had nothing but great things to say about Marquette, especially the Final Four. My friend was surprised at the enthusiasm that he had for two grads after all of those years.
Quote from: MUDPT on June 08, 2014, 05:55:45 PM
Anybody actually talk to TC since he left? One of my friends saw him outside of the Holocaust Museum in DC of all places, waited in line behind him to get in. After introducing himself as an MU grad, TC had nothing but great things to say about Marquette, especially the Final Four. My friend was surprised at the enthusiasm that he had for two grads after all of those years.
Yes, plenty of people have. And yes, he has a lot of very good things to say about MU, the program, etc. Both privately and publicly. But you really shouldn't have posted that here, it doesn't fit with the meme certain people want you to believe.
What's really funny, there is a key player that came to MU after he left because he basically guided him to MU and to Buzz. No, I'm not talking about Fischer, but he basically said MU would be a great destination to play at. People's heads would explode if they knew.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 08, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Yes, plenty of people have. And yes, he has a lot of very good things to say about MU, the program, etc. Both privately and publicly. But you really shouldn't have posted that here, it doesn't fit with the meme certain people want you to believe.
What's really funny, there is a key player that came to MU after he left because he basically guided him to MU and to Buzz. No, I'm not talking about Fischer, but he basically said MU would be a great destination to play at. People's heads would explode if they knew.
Derrick Wilson?
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 08, 2014, 05:50:41 PM
This thread asks the wrong question. The better question would be; "If you were in a fishing boat with Crean and Buzz who would be the first to sight a bigger boat and dive overboard to swim to it?"
Ever seen Crean swim? Mofo makes the Titanic look like a speedboat.
I'd probably stick with the Tan One if it was the "stranded at sea" situation. At worst, he is guaranteed to have a lifetime stock of diet coke with him so that could sustain us for quite some time. Hearing "aw shucks" won't stop the hunger pangs.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on June 08, 2014, 12:17:57 PM
Wow. TAMU was commenting on how there's all kinds of posters that post their opinion ad nauseum, not that he thought any of these posters were any more right/wrong than the others. If anything he was defending these posters for their right to post whatever they want how much they want.
Strange take. He was telling people he did not agree with on Buzz to shut up. Much like the current atmosphere in our national capitol on most issues.
You'd never even know Crean was on the boat. He'd be holding a foil board under his chin. God help you if you block his sun.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 09, 2014, 06:02:53 AM
Strange take. He was telling people he did not agree with on Buzz to shut up. Much like the current atmosphere in our national capitol on most issues.
I guess I should be letting TAMU defend himself and not be speaking for him. But those were all examples of what people
could say about those posters. Not actual criticisms of those posters
Why all the Crean hate?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 08, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Yes, plenty of people have. And yes, he has a lot of very good things to say about MU, the program, etc. Both privately and publicly. But you really shouldn't have posted that here, it doesn't fit with the meme certain people want you to believe.
What's really funny, there is a key player that came to MU after he left because he basically guided him to MU and to Buzz. No, I'm not talking about Fischer, but he basically said MU would be a great destination to play at. People's heads would explode if they knew.
I'm willing to take a chance on my head exploding - why don't you share your insider info?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 08, 2014, 05:55:24 PM
LOL. Look, I realize your dreamboat left the program, but I haven't even voted on this poll, but good try. It's funny, when the voting isn't like you like it, then it must be something mischievous. What are you, 8 years old? LOL
Here's proof...read it and weep. Haven't even voted...just edited the post right below the voting to prove it to you. As tribute to you, I named the photo "lenny_conspiracy". Why don't you ask the mods who has voted, since you are now out there accusing people of something they didn't do.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/333d83p.jpg)
I'm sure you missed it but those of us with a sense of humor around here pretty much gave up on the second grade practice of using teal to connote sarcasm a while back. Sorry you're so childish/thick that you still use it and need it to figure this stuff out. Also sorry that you're short, white and trapped in 2014 when you would be so much happier in 1954 or 1854 (that's sarcasm) and that you're so angry most of the time (that's not).
Quote from: leever on June 09, 2014, 08:58:44 AM
I'm willing to take a chance on my head exploding - why don't you share your insider info?
Chico has been promising head exploding insider information about Buzz for years. All foam, no beer.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on June 08, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
Where in this thread did TAMU make any comment regarding Buzz's departure? I only see a comment regarding Buzz's low points regarding his entire career
TAMU consistently has been dropping vague statements, yet presented as factual pertaining to the circumstances surrounding Buzz's departure...just as Chicos has done a few times.
The issue is, if people want to drop things as being in the know - then give the actual exact facts you know - you don't have to cite your sources - but flat out come on record and say the specifics about what you are alluding to know.
So - I'd like for TAMU and Chicos to both start threads stating the exact facts as they know them pertaining to all of the details surrounding Buzz's departure, his specific negligent conduct toward staffers, admin, and/or players.
If you want to act like an insider....then give the specifics about what your sources tell you...without revealing the source..if they understandably prefer.
Quote from: Ners on June 09, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
TAMU consistently has been dropping vague statements, yet presented as factual pertaining to the circumstances surrounding Buzz's departure...just as Chicos has done a few times.
The issue is, if people want to drop things as being in the know - then give the actual exact facts you know - you don't have to cite your sources - but flat out come on record and say the specifics about what you are alluding to know.
So - I'd like for TAMU and Chicos to both start threads stating the exact facts as they know them pertaining to all of the details surrounding Buzz's departure, his specific negligent conduct toward staffers, admin, and/or players.
If you want to act like an insider....then give the specifics about what your sources tell you...without revealing the source..if they understandably prefer.
In order to protect his sources, Chicos could use one of his aliases, maybe Hoopaloop could return?
Think about this all this way:
It took a bozo like Buzz to make Crean look good. End of story.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 09, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
Think about this all this way:
It took a bozo like Buzz to make Crean look good. End of story.
The exact opposite of what the poll shows. Thanks, Willie.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 08, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
Derrick Wilson?
LOL. I chuckled, I really did.
No, not DW.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 09, 2014, 09:13:59 AM
I'm sure you missed it but those of us with a sense of humor around here pretty much gave up on the second grade practice of using teal to connote sarcasm a while back. Sorry you're so childish/thick that you still use it and need it to figure this stuff out. Also sorry that you're short, white and trapped in 2014 when you would be so much happier in 1954 or 1854 (that's sarcasm) and that you're so angry most of the time (that's not).
Unfortunately, you aren't funny so it is difficult to find humor in your posts, even when you try really hard. Secondly, you weren't trying to be funny (nice cop out), it's what you believed (see, I can play psychologist like you do, too) which is why I did the screen shot. I don't even know what the poll results are, but the irony in calling me angry when you care so much about your prom date and how he figured in a poll, that truly is humorous.
Finally, I'm happy as a clam, anger just makes life shorter...not worth it. Enjoy Lenny. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed.
Quote from: leever on June 09, 2014, 08:58:44 AM
I'm willing to take a chance on my head exploding - why don't you share your insider info?
The person that shared it with me is still employed by the university, until she\he is no longer there, I will not. Though, it would not be hard for you to figure it out with not so difficult detective work.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 09, 2014, 09:20:32 AM
Chico has been promising head exploding insider information about Buzz for years. All foam, no beer.
I said for the last few years he is a primma donna in the athletic department, head as big as a pumpkin because I trust the people telling me that had to work with the guy. Of course, you and others got bent in a pretzel when I stated that. Now the truth is out, and well the corsage you got is starting to wither.
More to come sunshine. It is clear with your comments you really don't have many connections at all with athletics, otherwise you wouldn't defend the actions you do.
Quote from: ThatDude on June 09, 2014, 08:07:40 AM
Why all the Crean hate?
I have wondered that, too. Crean is actually a really great guy except for an annoying habit of being an insufferable jackass all of the time. Other than that he is fun to hang out with, burn a gar and swap tales of conquest.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 08, 2014, 05:35:13 PM
The wound of his departure
Is that like, The wound that never heals?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 09, 2014, 12:19:37 PM
The person that shared it with me is still employed by the university, until she\he is no longer there, I will not. Though, it would not be hard for you to figure it out with not so difficult detective work.
That's fair enough. I get the whole can't reveal my sources bit. How about this - as long as you CAN'T spill the beans, how about you just stop with the whole "There's more to come. I know it. You don't. Too bad for you because I won't tell"?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 08, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
And TAMU, we get that your one true love is the Buzzster. We get that it offends you deeply when he is criticized as a phony--which he is and which you do not believe. We get that you object to hot babes in uniform. We get that you are Mr. Politically Correct and are the Preacher of all things in your belief world. C'mon Man, lighten up a little. This is a MU board as you said. It is just not only your opinion that is righteous here--even though that is part of your mental DNA. You certainly are not going to stop Keefe or Ners from saying what they believe or want to have fun with. After all it is harmless. Unless your quest is to silence other viewpoints. If so, go work for the Feds in the Justice Department.
Funny thing, your blast here seems to center on several of Buzz's biggest critics. Does the truth hurt? We know how you opine for the Buzzster. likely you are following VT's every basketball move, which is a good thing, because you can keep us up to date on the Buzzster.
Willie, honest question, did you read the conversation at all before jumping in? Let me break it down for you.
Another poster, Hutchwas IIRC, said Buzz had one lowpoint, the McClvaine interview.
I came in and said "Buzz had a lot more than one lowpoint." So I was actually taking a shot at Buzz.
Wojo's came in and complained that I allude to knowing things but don't share. He used this quote:
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 07, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
TAMU, we get that you think that you know lots more info on what happened with Buzz than a majority of us on the board...at least you have been insinuating it enough lately. To keep making veiled references as to what was going on, or happened with his departure serves nobody on this board any good. If you know what happened great! There is no need to keep making vague statements however.
In an attempt to show him that most of us are guilty of repeating the same thing over and over on scoop, I took direct quotes from his post and inserted other examples. I used "(Insert poster) We get..... (insert example)" "To keep.....(insert example).....serves nobody on this board any good. If you....(insert example)....great! There is no need to keep....(insert example)."
I used three examples, Wojo's Mojo because he was the OP, and you and Ners because you have well known opinions that you have repeated ad naseum.
Willie, I know you think I am this naive child with stars in my eyes who tries to shut out anyone who says anything negative. If that were true, I would have left Scoop for IWB's board months ago. You may have noticed that about half of scoop has you on ignore. I do not, despite the fact that you routinely hurl insults at me.
We are two posters who happen to disagree. That doesn't mean for a second that I would ever want you or any other critic silenced. I will debate your arguments, I will point out their flaws, and I will call you out when use bad logic or stoop to attacking. But I will never criticize someone for having a differing opinion.
Also, I love Keefe's photos of israeli military women. Not sure where you got that I hate them.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 09, 2014, 12:22:06 PM
I said for the last few years he is a primma donna in the athletic department, head as big as a pumpkin because I trust the people telling me that had to work with the guy. Of course, you and others got bent in a pretzel when I stated that. Now the truth is out, and well the corsage you got is starting to wither.
More to come sunshine. It is clear with your comments you really don't have many connections at all with athletics, otherwise you wouldn't defend the actions you do.
Please refeference your posts from 3 years ago where you said Buzz was a prima donna. Then try 2 years ago. Then 1 year ago. I can certainly find posts from 3 years ago, 2 years ago, etc., when you were saying how much you liked the guy, but I don't recall you calling him a prima donna or a pumpkin head until very recently. I call total BS.
As to your "more to come" I'm confident nothing will come from you other than attempts to piggy back others. You've got what the little boy shot at - nothin'.
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 08, 2014, 10:49:25 AM
What does any of this have to do with you continually referencing what you think was really going on with Buzz and the administration? If you believe you know, that's awesome and the first couple of times I didn't have an issue with it. Now you're like a little kid, who runs around telling everyone that you know a secret and they don't. These examples you give aren't not even remotely in the same stratosphere as your little "secrets" that you keep referring to. When I talk about Buzz, that is my opinion. When you refer to the real story, you aren't providing any facts and for all we know these could be just your opinion. I actually believe that you do know more than most of us, but to continually make vague statements is counterproductive. Keep them to yourself.
One last thing. I think there are lots of meaningful bits of information on Scoop. You just have to separate the BS to find the good nuggets of info.
Frankly WM, I don't know what to tell you. The examples I gave were to show that many counterproductive things that I don't agree with get posted on scoop all the time. I don't ask any of them to keep it to themselves. That's not what this site is about. If you want controlled communication, go to IWB's board.
I share what tidbits I can. I only share when some one is posting something that is completely off course. If you don't like that, put me on ignore.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 09, 2014, 01:26:59 PM
IWB's board.
Isn't that where Brewcity now has his bully pulpit?
Quote from: leever on June 09, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
That's fair enough. I get the whole can't reveal my sources bit. How about this - as long as you CAN'T spill the beans, how about you just stop with the whole "There's more to come. I know it. You don't. Too bad for you because I won't tell"?
Can't predict the future, no one can. When I have made statements about the current or the past, then prom dates here get incredibly upset, even now when they are proven to be true. So damned either way.
So, to your point you are correct....shouldn't say more to come because ultimately that means what comes out, which is a huge difference. Pleased for friends at MU they don't have to put up the nonsense. Look, he's a jaghole, he's gone and few tears were shed. He had become a Macy's day parade float. Surprising they didn't have to widen the entrance to the building to get the bumpkin head through the doors.
Excited about Wojo.
Buzz's BS would at least be entertaining.
Crean is like an annoying little brother.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 09, 2014, 01:26:59 PM
Frankly WM, I don't know what to tell you. The examples I gave were to show that many counterproductive things that I don't agree with get posted on scoop all the time. I don't ask any of them to keep it to themselves. That's not what this site is about. If you want controlled communication, go to IWB's board.
I share what tidbits I can. I only share when some one is posting something that is completely off course. If you don't like that, put me on ignore.
So saying something like "Buzz has more low points, trust me" is sharing tidbits? You try to give off the impression that you're this big insider, who knows everything that happens at MU. You don't share tidbits, you make vague statements and pretend you know what really happened. I could really care less if you know or not, just say what you want to say and quit doing this little dance all the time.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on June 09, 2014, 01:42:36 PM
Buzz's BS would at least be entertaining.
Crean is like an annoying little brother.
On the contrary! Tanned Tommy's shenanigans were cringe-inducing when he was our problem but now that he is IIII's horse collar I find his antics highly entertaining!
His performance at Crisler was a Shakespeare comedy, Greek Tragedy, David Lean epic, and Woody Allen zeitgeist all rolled into one delicious enchilada! Bon Appétit!
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 09, 2014, 01:42:46 PM
So saying something like "Buzz has more low points, trust me" is sharing tidbits? You try to give off the impression that you're this big insider, who knows everything that happens at MU. You don't share tidbits, you make vague statements and pretend you know what really happened. I could really care less if you know or not, just say what you want to say and quit doing this little dance all the time.
So you don't care...but you want me to stop doing this little dance?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 09, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
So you don't care...but you want me to stop doing this little dance?
That's your main takeaway from that? Lol, I'm done with you "Mr Insider" have a great day ;D
Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on June 09, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
That's your main takeaway from that? Lol, I'm done with you "Mr Insider" have a great day ;D
It was just a question. You told me you couldn't care less but then gave me a direct order to stop. I just wanted to make sure I understood lest I misunderstand your directions ::)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 09, 2014, 01:18:57 PM
Please refeference your posts from 3 years ago where you said Buzz was a prima donna. Then try 2 years ago. Then 1 year ago. I can certainly find posts from 3 years ago, 2 years ago, etc., when you were saying how much you liked the guy, but I don't recall you calling him a prima donna or a pumpkin head until very recently. I call total BS.
As to your "more to come" I'm confident nothing will come from you other than attempts to piggy back others. You've got what the little boy shot at - nothin'.
Oh gosh, "total BS", not just partial. Cool.
Starting back as early as Nov 21, 2009 "Crean is an ahole, he's gone, but he did good things.
Buzz seems like a nice guy (though there are some out there that have called him an a-hole already also) so who really knows. Very few coaches in my years in the business have not been difficult, ego driven, etc, etc....we'll see if he is the exception to the rule.". I was already hearing some of the crap.
Or this one, also in 2009: "
And as I stated earlier, there are some saying that Buzz is a complete dick and pretty boy in real life as well....we'll see if that's true or just sour grapes, but that's come up now on at least three boards. The newsflash is that most of these coaches are not the nicest people in the world....Mike Sciosia is the one exception as the head man in all my years (and John Wooden, but I never worked with him) in the industry. Lots of assistant coaches are great,
but when you become the head man, it changes people, it really does."
Yes, I said he appeared to be a nice guy. Lenny, I'm sure you understand there is a public persona coaches, athletes, celebrities have and then there is their everyday persona. I know you know this. Anyone that has to work for Knight and Crean in their lifetime, as I have, can tell you that is the case. Doesn't make those people evil, it makes them difficult to work for, but they can come across as a saint in public.
And you're so right, I haven't spoken about Buzz's schtick for the last 5 years.
What else you got? Adjust Fenwick Score?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 09, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
What else you got? Adjust Fenwick Score?
Is Fenwick Score Herb Score's brother and why does he need an adjustment? Bad back?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 09, 2014, 12:01:59 PM
The exact opposite of what the poll shows. Thanks, Willie.
Just ahead of the curve, Lenny. Buzz is a bozo. And polls mean squat.
Honestly, I might chuck Buzz overboard.
I guess I like him better, but I dunno if I could listen to him tell me a 30min. answer every time I ask a simple question like: "Do you think it's going to rain?"
Crean's answer will be cliches, but at least it will be shorter.
PLUS: Crean doesn't wear sunscreen, and Buzz would steal it all to keep his head from burning.
The other part of the equation is to ask yourself from those that did bring some of the stuff Buzz was going back in the day, how he was acting, was he a jag, etc...how were those posters treated here?
They were drowned out, told they weren't fans, etc. Several of them, it appears, left completely. Basically the majority didn't want to hear it, so they took it out on anyone that dared to say anything. Quash the comments. Eventually when the cleansing was done, no one is going to say much anymore after it, until it ends up like the Newbill story or on the front page of the Tribune and it cannot be ignored. Or after he leaves the stories come out from the last few months and years and the cleansers, sans a few, aren't willing to cleanse any longer because they can't.
Yes, chicos, we know. You and your 19k posts are persecuted.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 09, 2014, 04:47:07 PM
The other part of the equation is to ask yourself from those that did bring some of the stuff Buzz was going back in the day, how he was acting, was he a jag, etc...how were those posters treated here?
They were drowned out, told they weren't fans, etc. Several of them, it appears, left completely. Basically the majority didn't want to hear it, so they took it out on anyone that dared to say anything. Quash the comments. Eventually when the cleansing was done, no one is going to say much anymore after it, until it ends up like the Newbill story or on the front page of the Tribune and it cannot be ignored. Or after he leaves the stories come out from the last few months and years and the cleansers, sans a few, aren't willing to cleanse any longer because they can't.
LOL.
Oh no, the humanity! How the persecuted of Scoop suffer! Fear not Chicos, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 09, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
Oh gosh, "total BS", not just partial. Cool.
Starting back as early as Nov 21, 2009 "Crean is an ahole, he's gone, but he did good things. Buzz seems like a nice guy (though there are some out there that have called him an a-hole already also) so who really knows. Very few coaches in my years in the business have not been difficult, ego driven, etc, etc....we'll see if he is the exception to the rule.". I was already hearing some of the crap.
Or this one, also in 2009: "And as I stated earlier, there are some saying that Buzz is a complete dick and pretty boy in real life as well....we'll see if that's true or just sour grapes, but that's come up now on at least three boards. The newsflash is that most of these coaches are not the nicest people in the world....Mike Sciosia is the one exception as the head man in all my years (and John Wooden, but I never worked with him) in the industry. Lots of assistant coaches are great, but when you become the head man, it changes people, it really does."
Yes, I said he appeared to be a nice guy. Lenny, I'm sure you understand there is a public persona coaches, athletes, celebrities have and then there is their everyday persona. I know you know this. Anyone that has to work for Knight and Crean in their lifetime, as I have, can tell you that is the case. Doesn't make those people evil, it makes them difficult to work for, but they can come across as a saint in public.
And you're so right, I haven't spoken about Buzz's schtick for the last 5 years.
What else you got?
You (and everyone else) might want to go back and read your complete remarks in that thread to get the context. First, November, 2009 is not a few (or 2 or 1) years ago, it's 4.5. More importantly, the people you referenced then were not people's you knew in the athletic department, they were anonymous posters from other school's message boards. So, again, complete utter BS that will remain as such unless you can show the board where YOU called Buzz a prima donna or a pumpkin head or you said your "sources" (LOL) in the athletic department called him that in the last few years (or ever).
I did enjoy rereading that thread, though. Here's a quote from you in the same post you referenced:
"Fact is, he's (Crean) the second best coach (based on results) at MU in our history. That's just fact. I applaud him for his efforts and he moved on."
Well, he's now the 3rd best coach (based on results) at MU in our history. That's just fact. Buzz is now #2, and like Crean he's moved on.
For 6+ years you've applauded and defended the guy who you claim you thought was a douche like one would applaud and defend his own father.
In the same stretch, you've ripped and second guessed the guy who you claimed you liked so much, even as his accomplishments surpassed the douche's
Oh, the irony. Oh, the hypocrisy. Oh, the BS.
That's all I got, for now. What else you got?