Pick your Marquette Mt. Rushmore
I got DAWAYNE Wade, Wesley Matthews, Steve Novak and Jerel Mcneal.
Who's yours?
(Yes I know DAWAYNE is misspelled)
No Al McGuire? C'mon man.
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on May 28, 2014, 04:30:10 PM
No Al McGuire? C'mon man.
I think he's talking players.
Quote from: ThatDude on May 28, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
Pick your Marquette Mt. Rushmore
I got DAWYANE Wade, Wesley Matthews, Steve Novak and Jerel Mcneal.
Who's yours?
Respect what Wes and Jerel have done but neither ever got past the hump to add even a sweet 16 to our resume. Novak had a FF then two nits and a flame out to his name. Also how can you not have Bo Ellis when he's been around for the most success of anybody.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on May 28, 2014, 04:32:34 PM
I think he's talking players.
Respect what Wes and Jerel have done but neither ever got past the hump to add even a sweet 16 to our resume. Novak had a FF then two nits and a flame out to his name. Also how can you not have Bo Ellis when he's been around for the most success of anybody.
MY Mt Rushmore. Keyword: MY
Quote from: NotBuzzWilliams on May 28, 2014, 04:30:10 PM
No Al McGuire? C'mon man.
You wasted a meme. Im talking players, guy
Quote from: ThatDude on May 28, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
MY Mt Rushmore. Keyword: MY
I get the my I was curious if you could offer more explanation about those choices.
McGuire, Thompson, Lucas, Wade
Butch, Bo, DWade, Jerel
Unless coaches count too - then strike Jerel and add Al.
Terry Reason, Kerry Trotter, Lloyd Moore, and Vic Lazaretti.
Al, Hank, Rick, and...Blondie. ;D
Quote from: ThatDude on May 28, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
Pick your Marquette Mt. Rushmore
I got DAWYANE Wade, Wesley Matthews, Steve Novak and Jerel Mcneal.
Who's yours?
How is he better than Dwyane Wade?
Maurice Lucas, Butch Lee, Dwayne Wade, Jim Chones
The Marquette Mt Rushmore should have:
Ignatius Loyola, Jacques Marquette, Robert Bellarmine, and Karl Rahner
I got doc, wade, butch lee, and al.
Quote from: PJDunn on May 28, 2014, 05:15:27 PM
Terry Reason, Kerry Trotter, Lloyd Moore, and Vic Lazaretti.
Kerry Trotter?
Quote from: chapman on May 28, 2014, 05:39:56 PM
How is he better than Dwyane Wade?
That was purposely misspelled for ChicosBailBonds.
Quote from: PJDunn on May 28, 2014, 05:15:27 PM
Terry Reason, Kerry Trotter, Lloyd Moore, and Vic Lazaretti.
+4
Quote from: GooooMarquette on May 28, 2014, 05:13:32 PM
Butch, Bo, DWade, Jerel
Not Jerel.
George Thompson...still the leading scorer on a ppg basis.
McGuire Crean Buzz Raymonds
Some heads bigger than others.
Derrick Wilson, Juan Anderson, Chris Otule, Jake Thomas
-Buzz
#44, #24, #14, #22, #31, #20, #3, #15
Players only:
Don Kojis
Maurice Lucas
Butch Lee
Dwyane Wade
I was going to swap Butch out for Doc...but decided that an NCAA title and POY was greater than the lack of an NBA career like Doc's.
All-Time?
AL
Lucas
Wade
Kojis
with Freeway as the honorary docent.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 28, 2014, 07:52:14 PM
#44, #24, #14, #22, #31, #20, #3, #15
If 22 is Jim Chones and not Jerel I'm 100% with you Doc.
Player Mt Rushmore-
Butch, Wade, Dean the Dream, and Brute Force Thompson.
Non-ballers included-
Swap Al for Meminger.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 28, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
Player Mt Rushmore-
Butch, Wade, Dean the Dream (don't believe I've seen him yet), and Brute Force Thompson.
Non-ballers included-
Swap Al for Meminger.
Thompson, Ellis, Rivers, Wade
Doc's MU career is overrated. He would be way down on my list. The team accomplished little when he was there. I think their lone NCAA win was against Evansville in '82. He was a big time recruit, maybe still our most heralded incoming recruit ever, but the fact is, he was an above average player at MU, nothing great. The NBA didn't think that highly of him either when he turned pro, believe Atlanta snagged him in the 2nd round.
If you include time after MU, then yes, he would be right up there. He's accomplished a lot, especially coaching. But his MU playing days are so long ago some have fuzzy memories now. Again, he was very good, but not an all-time MU great by any stretch.
Kojis
Wade
Lucas
Butch
Al, D-wade, Chris Farley and Fr. John Donnelly....last one just on my own personal MU Mount Rushmore.
Players:
Butch Lee, D-Wade, George Thompson and Maurice Lucas.....with a nearby sitting bull like statue of the first warrior.
D Wade
Doc Rivers
Travis Diener
Steve Novak
Wes Mathews
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PM
If 22 is Jim Chones and not Jerel I'm 100% with you Doc.
Etched in stone and solid as a rock, Lenny Man.
Mo, Dream, Butch and Wade.
Add Chones to that team and it might go undefeated.
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
Mo, Dream, Butch and Wade.
Add Chones to that team and it might go undefeated.
Mo Acker gets in there for ya, hey? Do they put his head at the bottom of the mountain because he was so short?
(I hope teal is not necessary...)
Frozena
Tommy Brice
Clausen
Flood
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
Mo, Dream, Butch and Wade.
Add Chones to that team and it might go undefeated.
This would be my four but it is damn hard to not include Chones, the Destroyer, or Bo. Everybody thinks of Wade as the greatest warrior but they never knew the Dream. Simply the best to ever play for MU.
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 28, 2014, 11:45:35 PM
Frozena
Tommy Brice
Clausen
Flood
All-Time Walk-Ons
Frozena
Mark Lavin
Jake Thomas
Majerus
Bo Ellis, Dean Meminger, Dwyane Wade, Butch Lee
Bo over Lucas for 2 FFs and the championship
Chones out for leaving early. Great player, respect the decision, best for him, but not best for Marquette so he is out.
If based on MU career and 10 players allowed, Doc Rivers still doesn't make it. Besides, the 6 players mentioned above, I'd put at least Thompson, Kojis, McNeal, Miller, Matthews, Key, Smith and Butler ahead of him for their MU accomplishments.
I don't understand how George Thompson is not an automatic. He should be as much as Wade. All-time leading scorer for three decades (without a three point shot and three years on varsity), McGuire's first superstar player, and the guy that was the star when MU took off nationally under McGuire and stayed there until 1977. Respect what Ellis, Lucas, and others did at MU, but when you're talking MU greats and the legacy they left the school with, it starts with Wade and Thompson, period.
My 4.
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Oh, lordy, how long before basketball season starts?
Dwyane Wade, Bo Ellis, Dean Meminger, and Brute Force (who might have been the most important recruit in #MUBB history -- and what a career he had)
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 29, 2014, 07:39:12 AM
Bo Ellis, Dean Meminger, Dwyane Wade, Butch Lee
Chones out for leaving early. Great player, respect the decision, best for him, but not best for Marquette so he is out.
Didn't Wade leave early, too?
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2014, 08:51:30 AM
Didn't Wade leave early, too?
Not in the middle of a season.
Not really fair to have only four
There are four of 44 presidents on Rushmore
Using that ratio, there should be at least 10 carved into a bluff overlooking Lake Michigan
Kojis, Meminger, Thompson, Lucas, Lee, Ellis, Rivers, Wade, Tatum, and Al
Quote from: ThatDude on May 28, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
Pick your Marquette Mt. Rushmore
I got DAWYANE Wade, Wesley Matthews, Steve Novak and Jerel Mcneal.
Who's yours?
Guessing you were born in the early 90s
Quote from: keefe on May 28, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
The Marquette Mt Rushmore should have:
Ignatius Loyola, Jacques Marquette, Robert Bellarmine, and Karl Rahner
Yes sir!!!
Except I'd swap Pedro Arrupe or Pope Frank for Bellarmine but you are close ;)
Quote from: chapman on May 28, 2014, 05:39:56 PM
How is he better than Dwyane Wade?
http://deadspin.com/the-most-commonly-misspelled-sports-names-1583189740
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 29, 2014, 09:29:26 AM
Not in the middle of a season.
Good point. Still wouldn't preclude me from picking Chones. I just like my four better!
From the time where I actually attended Marquette
Aaron Hutchens
Brian Wardle
Chris Crawford
Anthony Pieper
Al McGuire
Chris Farley
Doc Rivers
Dwayne Wade
These are for the most well known, nationally, with MU connections. Four great entertainers.
Quote from: Texas Western on May 28, 2014, 05:45:14 PM
Maurice Lucas, Butch Lee, Dwayne Wade, Jim Chones
Ditto!
Dean the Dream
George Thompson
"Dawayne" Wade
Jimmy Chones
The 1st three are gimmes, the 4th is a toss up among many
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on May 29, 2014, 07:57:20 AM
I don't understand how George Thompson is not an automatic. He should be as much as Wade. All-time leading scorer for three decades (without a three point shot and three years on varsity), McGuire's first superstar player, and the guy that was the star when MU took off nationally under McGuire and stayed there until 1977. Respect what Ellis, Lucas, and others did at MU, but when you're talking MU greats and the legacy they left the school with, it starts with Wade and Thompson, period.
Good points, but the guy I say you can't keep off is Butch Lee. 1977 Final Four Most Ouststanding Player and 1978 Associated Press National Player of the Year. He's the only MU player that has accomplished either of those honors, which are the two best individual honors a college kid can get, I would think. If the Mt. Rushmore honor is for what was accomplished at MU, don't know how anybody beats that.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on May 29, 2014, 09:43:48 AM
Yes sir!!!
Except I'd swap Pedro Arrupe or Pope Frank for Bellarmine but you are close ;)
Interesting you mention Fr Arrupe as I thought of him as well. Without getting into the politics of Liberation Theology I admire greatly Arrupe's willingness to take such a bold stand at a time when human dignity and the needs of the poor were being trampled in the name of great power Realpolitik.
One of my favorite professors at Marquette was Fr Peter Marchetti. Marchetti was one of the Jesuits the Vatican chastised by name for involvement in secular politics. Marchetti has devoted his life to land reform in Central America for the specific purpose of empowering campesinos in their struggle for voice and economic stability. I have often marveled at the Church's interpretation of unacceptable political activity.
Farley
Lesko
Kasper
McCarthy
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 29, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
Good points, but the guy I say you can't keep off is Butch Lee. 1977 Final Four Most Ouststanding Player and 1978 Associated Press National Player of the Year. He's the only MU player that has accomplished either of those honors, which are the two best individual honors a college kid can get, I would think. If the Mt. Rushmore honor is for what was accomplished at MU, don't know how anybody beats that.
Agree. If MU's Mt. Rushmore had room for only one, it would be Butch.
How Kojis is NOT mentioned escapes me.
He still is the top rebounder at MU...at 6'3"!
"Don Kojis led the Marquette basketball team in scoring as a junior (20.9 ppg) and senior (21.4 ppg) and was a three-time team rebounding leader including an average of 17.1 caroms per game in 1960-61. At the conclusion of his college career, he was the school's all-time scoring leader with 1,504 points and still ranks as the program's top career board man with 1,222 rebounds. He was named to the 1959 NCAA Tournament All-Mideast Team and helped Marquette finish with a 23-6 record. At the time, his 578 points and 232 field goals in 1960-61 were school records, and his 462 rebounds still holds up as the top seasonal mark in school lore. Named to the Catholic All-America Team by Catholic Digest in 1961, he still holds the top two Marquette seasonal efforts in rebound average (17.1 rpg in '60-61 and 15.4 rpg in '59-60). In December of 1961, his jersey number 44 was retired by the school. Inducted into Marquette's Hall of Fame in 1972. Many think the homegrown Kojis the best all-round player at Marquette until Dwyane Wade."
This doesn't even factor in his NBA career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=marquette
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 29, 2014, 08:23:49 PM
How Kojis is NOT mentioned escapes me.
He still is the top rebounder at MU...at 6'3"!
"Don Kojis led the Marquette basketball team in scoring as a junior (20.9 ppg) and senior (21.4 ppg) and was a three-time team rebounding leader including an average of 17.1 caroms per game in 1960-61. At the conclusion of his college career, he was the school's all-time scoring leader with 1,504 points and still ranks as the program's top career board man with 1,222 rebounds. He was named to the 1959 NCAA Tournament All-Mideast Team and helped Marquette finish with a 23-6 record. At the time, his 578 points and 232 field goals in 1960-61 were school records, and his 462 rebounds still holds up as the top seasonal mark in school lore. Named to the Catholic All-America Team by Catholic Digest in 1961, he still holds the top two Marquette seasonal efforts in rebound average (17.1 rpg in '60-61 and 15.4 rpg in '59-60). In December of 1961, his jersey number 44 was retired by the school. Inducted into Marquette's Hall of Fame in 1972. Many think the homegrown Kojis the best all-round player at Marquette until Dwyane Wade."
This doesn't even factor in his NBA career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=marquette
I think he was more in the 6'5" - 6'6" range.
Yo, check out my post.
Al, Dwyane Wade, Jim Chones and George Thompson.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 29, 2014, 08:23:49 PM
How Kojis is NOT mentioned escapes me.
He still is the top rebounder at MU...at 6'3"!
"Don Kojis led the Marquette basketball team in scoring as a junior (20.9 ppg) and senior (21.4 ppg) and was a three-time team rebounding leader including an average of 17.1 caroms per game in 1960-61. At the conclusion of his college career, he was the school's all-time scoring leader with 1,504 points and still ranks as the program's top career board man with 1,222 rebounds. He was named to the 1959 NCAA Tournament All-Mideast Team and helped Marquette finish with a 23-6 record. At the time, his 578 points and 232 field goals in 1960-61 were school records, and his 462 rebounds still holds up as the top seasonal mark in school lore. Named to the Catholic All-America Team by Catholic Digest in 1961, he still holds the top two Marquette seasonal efforts in rebound average (17.1 rpg in '60-61 and 15.4 rpg in '59-60). In December of 1961, his jersey number 44 was retired by the school. Inducted into Marquette's Hall of Fame in 1972. Many think the homegrown Kojis the best all-round player at Marquette until Dwyane Wade."
This doesn't even factor in his NBA career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=marquette
Because even a fairly old guy like me never saw him play.
It's not like the real Mt. Rushmore; I didn't need to see Lincoln preside to know he belongs. This is a basketball Mt. Rushmore, and I needed to see the players.
It's kind of like a different thread in which a fairly young guy said Julius Erving was nowhere near as good as Kevin Durant. It was obvious that the guy had never seen Julius play, so it's impossible to change his mind.
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 29, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
Good points, but the guy I say you can't keep off is Butch Lee. 1977 Final Four Most Ouststanding Player and 1978 Associated Press National Player of the Year. He's the only MU player that has accomplished either of those honors, which are the two best individual honors a college kid can get, I would think. If the Mt. Rushmore honor is for what was accomplished at MU, don't know how anybody beats that.
Butch was a great one, no doubt. I included him in my Mt. Rushmore of MU greats. I'd still take Thompson and Wade over him, and comparing their MU stats vs. Butch's, confirms they were better. Thompson and Wade are in another stratosphere of MU greatness. Thompson didn't have the NCAA success that Butch did, but remember, his senior year was the year Purdue beat them in the Elite Eight at the buzzer. The media given honors as proof he was the greatest I don't think proves anything. His '78 POY, his PPG were down.
D Wade, Mo Lucas, Butch Lee, George Thompson
ZFB, Keefe, 4never, PRN
Very surprised for the lack of Bo love here. He was a special college player and IMO his MU body of work surpasses Luke by a fairly wide margin and big Luke fan here. From day one he made an impact and his four year record as a player was off the charts.
IMO Wade is the only one difficult to argue against. Never saw Kojos but heard from guys who know that he was special player.
Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2014, 10:43:55 PM
Very surprised for the lack of Bo love here. He was a special college player and IMO his MU body of work surpasses Luke by a fairly wide margin and big Luke fan here. From day one he made an impact and his four year record as a player was off the charts.
IMO Wade is the only one difficult to argue against. Never saw Kojos but heard from guys who know that he was special player.
I think Luke was a much better pro than college player - even tho' he was very good at MU.
I would go with Dwayne and Chones as the top 2. After that, it is hard to choose between Thompson, Bo, Butch and Dean the Dream for the last 2 spots.
Brandx
First two are right on. Gets tough on the last two.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 29, 2014, 10:41:43 PM
ZFB, Keefe, 4never, PRN
Putting yourself in there. Classic.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 29, 2014, 11:42:36 PM
Putting yourself in there. Classic.
There could be no Scoop Rushmore without The Fry Boy's trenchant take of the day's burning issues. To suggest otherwise cheapens the very notion of consecration.
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Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 29, 2014, 10:41:43 PM
ZFB, Keefe, 4never, PRN
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Quote from: Goose on May 29, 2014, 10:43:55 PM
Very surprised for the lack of Bo love here. He was a special college player and IMO his MU body of work surpasses Luke by a fairly wide margin and big Luke fan here. From day one he made an impact and his four year record as a player was off the charts.
IMO Wade is the only one difficult to argue against. Never saw Kojos but heard from guys who know that he was special player.
Luke's impact was lessened by the freshman ineligible rule and foregoing his senior season for the pros. Had he played 4 years, his record would have been off the charts. Glad we had both Luke and Bo.
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Absolutely spot on. Didn't know you saved all those old yearbooks, Crash.
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Well done.
Unless I missed it, haven't seen this group yet (this seems really simple to me)
Al, Bo, Butch, Wade.
Not too simple. The definitive list:
Al McGuire; Don Kojis; George Thompson; Bo Ellis; Butch Lee; Dean the Dream; Wade; Maurice Lucas; Jim Chones
And an argument could be made for: Earl Tatum; Wardle; Rivers; Walton; Diener; Novak; Worthen; Mangham
Have to add George Andrie and Ralph Metcalfe even though they are not basketball players.
Include Lisa Dooley and Gail Pudvan, hey?
4ever
Lisa would be outstanding addition.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 31, 2014, 07:27:47 PM
Include Lisa Dooley and Gail Pudvan, hey?
Hey Dunks, any relation?