in a unfortunate spot...gave a classy interview. will be interesting to see how he handles it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhU41rrrSL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhU41rrrSL8)
More background on Doc's comments.
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/26/donald-sterling-nba-investigation-racist-comments-clippers/?eref=sihp
Sterling is a clown. He needs to go for a lot of reasons. His actions as a slum lord were far worse than racist comments.
nba has to suspend him right? would be priceless to see the commissioner have to hand the o'brien trophy over to that tool.
So, Doc's gonna respect the process, aina?
Doc's son Jeremiah tweeted "Along with anything we ever loved, and held treasured, because of the color of my dads skin. We lost everything and had to start over" in a very eloquent response posted below. What happened to Doc and his family? Was it when he was in Atlanta or Boston? Somethings I will never understand. I don't approve of theft but at least I understand the desire to want. I don't understand racism and vandalism. I guess that it is just learned hatred or anger. 53 years old and still trying to figure out the world. Sad. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/04/26/doc-rivers-son-has-best-response-to-donald-sterlings-comments/
This thread does not do this situation any justice. Should be a lot more angry people voicing their opinion.
Both the Clips and Warriors should boycott tomorrow!
Quote from: ThatDude on April 26, 2014, 09:09:14 PM
This thread does not do this situation any justice. Should be a lot more angry people voicing their opinion.
Both the Clips and Warriors should boycott tomorrow!
I concur!
Quote from: radome on April 26, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
Doc's son Jeremiah tweeted "Along with anything we ever loved, and held treasured, because of the color of my dads skin. We lost everything and had to start over" in a very eloquent response posted below. What happened to Doc and his family? Was it when he was in Atlanta or Boston? Somethings I will never understand. I don't approve of theft but at least I understand the desire to want. I don't understand racism and vandalism. I guess that it is just learned hatred or anger. 53 years old and still trying to figure out the world. Sad. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/04/26/doc-rivers-son-has-best-response-to-donald-sterlings-comments/
Didn't Doc's house get burned down when he was in San Antonio cause people approve of his wife being white? I think that's what he's referring to.
It's premature to boycott anything.
If the NBA refuses to do anything, that's when you boycott.
Ummmm, the nba and espn and everyone with anything to do with the NBA have knows for YEARS Sterling is a racist. Now, it's just more out in the open.
Spare me the sanctimony ESPN and NBA. You've known forever. Now, you just have an easy excuse to "do something".
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on April 26, 2014, 11:01:24 PM
Ummmm, the nba and espn and everyone with anything to do with the NBA have knows for YEARS Sterling is a racist. Now, it's just more out in the open.
Spare me the sanctimony ESPN and NBA. You've known forever. Now, you just have an easy excuse to "do something".
Right.
But Doc Rivers knew it....Chris Paul knew it... But they all went there anyway.
Whomever allegedly "knew" whatever, if the recording is of Sterling's voice (and the non-denial denial by Sterling spokesman leads to that conclusion: "Mr. Sterling is emphatic that what is reflected on that recording is not consistent with...his views...." -- instead, if it isn't Sterling, why not just say "It wasn't me"?? [#Shaggy]), then his racist views now are undeniable and public, and consequences should follow. And while I don't believe that the players should be pressured into a self-punishing boycott during the playoffs, I sure would support that --and holy cr@p would that bring the issue to a head right now. Either way, this sleazeball should be finished in the NBA.
There ain't gonna be no boycott. The old cocker signs the checks and can say what he wants. He'll just haveta suffer the consequences for his actions. Ain't that hard to figure out. Life goes on.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on April 27, 2014, 09:07:19 AM
Whomever allegedly "knew" whatever, if the recording is of Sterling's voice (and the non-denial denial by Sterling spokesman leads to that conclusion: "Mr. Sterling is emphatic that what is reflected on that recording is not consistent with...his views...." -- instead, if it isn't Sterling, why not just say "It wasn't me"?? [#Shaggy]), then his racist views now are undeniable and public, and consequences should follow. And while I don't believe that the players should be pressured into a self-punishing boycott during the playoffs, I sure would support that --and holy cr@p would that bring the issue to a head right now. Either way, this sleazeball should be finished in the NBA.
What issue would it bring to a head? That Sterling is a sh*t of a human being? No kidding.
Let the process play out. Let the NBA investigate and do what is within their power. If the players don't like it, then they can boycott. Doing it now is pointless. They would simply be overplaying their hand.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 26, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
Right.
But Doc Rivers knew it....Chris Paul knew it... But they all went there anyway.
Highly doubt they knew. Blacks have too much pride for that
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
Highly doubt they knew. Black have too much pride for that
Uhhh....what?
Sterling has a well documented history of racist comments. I knew it. I'm sure Doc or Paul, or at least their representatives, did as well.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 12:28:33 PM
Uhhh....what?
Sterling has a well documented history of racist comments. I knew it. I'm sure Doc or Paul, or at least their representatives, did as well.
You sir are wrong...they may have heard a rumor, yea
It gets worse today ...
Holy crap, this sounds like the slave owner from 1858 talking about the plantation.
Jalen Rose said given today's comments he would boycott the game. Don't know if that will happen but I can understand his anger.
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http://deadspin.com/exclusive-the-extended-donald-sterling-tape-1568291249
In this audio, Sterling expresses ideas similar to the ones he did in the original: The world will think certain things if you're seen with black people, he tells his mistress, so you should not be seen with them in public, and under no circumstances should you bring them to Clippers games. How does he square his dim view of black people with the fact that he has an NBA team full of black players? Sterling responds with a breathtaking non-sequitur.
V: I don't understand, I don't see your views. I wasn't raised the way you were raised.
DS: Well then, if you don't feel—don't come to my games. Don't bring black people, and don't come.
V: Do you know that you have a whole team that's black, that plays for you?
DS: You just, do I know? I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses. Who gives it to them? Does someone else give it to them? Do I know that I have—Who makes the game? Do I make the game, or do they make the game? Is there 30 owners, that created the league?
Poor Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp is also dragged into the conversation, having appeared in an Instagram photo with V. Stiviano. It was her photo with Magic Johnson that had apparently started the fight.
V: Honey, if it makes you happy, I will remove all of the black people from my Instagram.
DS: You said that before, you said, "I understand."
V: I DID remove the people that were independently on my Instagram that are black.
DS: Then why did you start saying that you didn't? You just said that you didn't remove them. You didn't remove every—
V: I didn't remove Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson, but I thought—
DS: Why?
V: I thought Matt Kemp is mixed, and he was OK, just like me.
DS: OK.
V: He's lighter and whiter than me.
DS: OK.
V: I met his mother.
DS: You think I'm a racist, and wouldn't—
V: I don't think you're a racist.
DS: Yes you do. Yes you do.
V: I think you, you—
DS: Evil heart.
And there is also this baffling exchange about black Jews in Israel:
DS: It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs.
V: So do you have to treat them like that too?
DS: The white Jews, there's white Jews and black Jews, do you understand?
V: And are the black Jews less than the white Jews?
DS: A hundred percent, fifty, a hundred percent.
V: And is that right?
DS: It isn't a question—we don't evaluate what's right and wrong, we live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture.
V: But shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong? And be the change and the difference?
DS: I don't want to change the culture, because I can't. It's too big and too [unknown].
V: But you can change yourself.
DS: I don't want to change. If my girl can't do what I want, I don't want the girl. I'll find a girl that will do what I want! Believe me. I thought you were that girl—because I tried to do what you want. But you're not that girl.
They close by essentially invoking Hitler and closing down the thread, comparing Sterling's viewpoints to the Holocaust:
V: It's like saying, "Let's just persecute and kill all of the Jews."
DS: Oh, it's the same thing, right?
V: Isn't it wrong? Wasn't it wrong then? With the Holocaust? And you're Jewish, you understand discrimination.
DS: You're a mental case, you're really a mental case. The Holocaust, we're comparing with—
V: Racism! Discrimination.
DS: There's no racism here. If you don't want to be... walking... into a basketball game with a certain... person, is that racism?
Remember that these aren't the unfortunate offhand comments of an old man. These are expressions of a worldview that Sterling has acted upon time and time again, with real effects on real people, with little to no response from the NBA or its players. The difference in this case is the visceral effect of actually hearing him say these things out loud and oh so matter-of-factly. It's enough for even an actor as careful as LeBron James to feel empowered to take a flamethrower to Sterling, saying, "There is no room for Donald Sterling in our league."
It is not known if the recordings have been doctored or altered.
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
Highly doubt they knew. Blacks have too much pride for that
What are you talking about? Many in So. Cal have known this for decades. Current players, former players, people that rent from him. They knew, it's an old dude with old time views. The irony in this is the NAACP gave him a lifetime achievement award 6 years ago and in 3 weeks were about to give him another....obviously from donations that he made. The Dems were giving him a bundling award next month for the money he has raised and helped bundle for their party....that's likely going to not happen either.
Common thread....MONEY. NAACP took money from him = lifetime achievement award. Democrat party took money from him = bundling award. Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's. They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$.
This happens all the time in the world.
nm
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 12:54:01 PM
You sir are wrong...they may have heard a rumor, yea
smh
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-donald-sterling-past-controversy-20140426,0,1205990.story#axzz307FiQnOo
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
Highly doubt they knew. Blacks have too much pride for that
And the award for Donald Sterling Post of the Year goes to...
He's the owner. What are they going to do? Make him sell? I doubt it, and I'm sure he'd make a ton of money selling his team. Fine him $100k? He won't care. He seems like a terrible old racist, but he has a boat load of money. If people stop going to the games or the players won't play for him, maybe they can threaten the teams value enough that he has to sell. I feel bad for Doc and the players.
Not too surprising Golden St. is killing the Clippers near the end of the 1st quarter.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 01:59:32 PM
Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's. They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$.
so the players and doc couldn't have made just as much money playing for a different team?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2014, 03:09:49 PM
so the players and doc couldn't have made just as much money playing for a different team?
Of course, if a position or opportunity was open...which in most cases they were open, but they chose to go to the Clippers.
Let me ask you this, are the players going to protest by refusing his paychecks right now? Refuse to take the playoff money? There are statements (like turning your warmup inside out) and then there are real statements. I have a feeling.......
I would find it fascinating to see the Clippers boycott a game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 03:24:00 PM
Of course, if a position or opportunity was open...which in most cases they were open, but they chose to go to the Clippers.
Let me ask you this, are the players going to protest by refusing his paychecks right now? Refuse to take the playoff money? There are statements (like turning your warmup inside out) and then there are real statements. I have a feeling.......
you said they all knew he was a racist and turned a blind eye for money...now you say they could have gotten the same amount (and i would say in some cases more) money to play elsewhere.
it was just a dumb comment - like they chose to play for a racist just because they wanted extra money. in my opinion, they chose to play for a racist because they wanted to win. or maybe doc just decided he was going to coach the group of players he wanted to coach, and he wasn't going to let a racist get in the way of that.
a statement is getting your house burned to the ground with all your family memories and pets inside, and then refusing to leave the neighborhood. giving the $$$ back to the owner seems like the dumbest thing they could do.
the real statement may be to not let racist people interfere with what you want to do in life because you'll never get anything done.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2014, 03:34:55 PM
you said they all knew he was a racist and turned a blind eye for money...now you say they could have gotten the same amount (and i would say in some cases more) money to play elsewhere.
it was just a dumb comment - like they chose to play for a racist just because they wanted extra money. in my opinion, they chose to play for a racist because they wanted to win. or maybe doc just decided he was going to coach the group of players he wanted to coach, and he wasn't going to let a racist get in the way of that.
a statement is getting your house burned to the ground with all your family memories and pets inside, and then refusing to leave the neighborhood. giving the $$$ back to the owner seems like the dumbest thing they could do.
the real statement may be to not let racist people interfere with what you want to do in life because you'll never get anything done.
I said many people know about Sterling's background, especially in the NBA. You would have to live under a rock not to know what Elgin Baylor went through very publicly or Baron Davis. Players talk, coaches talk....yet free agents, coaches, etc, still come to play for the Clippers. Why do you think that is? Because it is a job that pays a ton of money. Now, could they have gotten more money elsewhere? Who knows, but they certainly could have been playing or coaching elsewhere. Perhaps there are some players that given the same amount from Clippers and someone else have taken their act to somewhere else because of what is known.
We know certain politicians have preyed on young women, interns, etc...did that stop future young women to go work for or with him? No. People are going to do what they are going to do. Women go back to abusive husbands. Husbands go back to abusive wives. People stay in jobs despite working complete jerks. I know probably 2 or 3 guys (and gals) at the Clippers...they have families to feed, mortgages to pay. At the end of the day, they don't have as many options as some of the players so they have to do what they have to do to keep things going until something better comes along. Those are the people I feel bad for. They get lumped into all of this stuff because of the owner.
I'd love to see Doc step out of his contract. I don't know if he can or if he feels the same way, but that would be an incredible statement if he could legally do it. Donate some money, whatever. I'd love to see some enterprising reporter dig a little further into the first NAACP lifetime achievement award for Sterling 6 years ago...I'll bet people were rolling in their graves and rolling their eyes back then...so how did he get it? I'll give you 3 guesses, first two don't count.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 04:23:39 PM
I said many people know about Sterling's background, especially in the NBA. You would have to live under a rock not to know what Elgin Baylor went through very publicly or Baron Davis.
i'll copy/past exactly what you said, "Common thread....MONEY. NAACP took money from him = lifetime achievement award. Democrat party took money from him = bundling award. Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's. They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$."
so you just said doc turned a blind eye for $$$, and i'm saying i don't buy it. doc could have gone anywhere he wanted to. i don't think he's the type of man to turn a blind eye to it. i think he knew exactly what it was, and made a choice based upon what he felt was best. imo, you decided to link the player/coaches to organizations in a manner that made them look like they would do anything for money. the difference between many of the players and the coach is that they could have gotten the same money or more elsewhere. not true for democratic party or NAACP.
doc has to deal with trying to win a championship with a bigot for a coach, but i'm not going to lecture doc on how to handle racism. you bring personal experiences into a lot of situations...i can't begin to understand how doc's personal experiences shape his decisions.
i would add that democrats (although a Real GM article says $6,000 to dems all prior to the 1990s) and the NAACP should be called out for taking money from a racist...just as MU should be called out for making money off of congressman ryan after his racist remarks.
http://www.nj.com/ledger-dalessandro/index.ssf/2014/04/dalessandro_donald_sterlings_candid_moment_its_business_as_usual_and_nba_business_is_often_ugly.html
Has Joe Biden apologized for his racist comments about Obama yet? Goes to show you how serious Democrats take this. They made the guy their vice president!
Quote from: warrior07 on April 27, 2014, 05:18:05 PM
Has Joe Biden apologized for his racist comments about Obama yet? Goes to show you how serious Democrats take this. They made the guy their vice president!
Uhh......what?
Why do you and Chicos both need to take this in another direction like this?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2014, 04:50:46 PM
i'll copy/past exactly what you said, "Common thread....MONEY. NAACP took money from him = lifetime achievement award. Democrat party took money from him = bundling award. Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's. They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$."
so you just said doc turned a blind eye for $$$, and i'm saying i don't buy it. doc could have gone anywhere he wanted to. i don't think he's the type of man to turn a blind eye to it. i think he knew exactly what it was, and made a choice based upon what he felt was best. imo, you decided to link the player/coaches to organizations in a manner that made them look like they would do anything for money. the difference between many of the players and the coach is that they could have gotten the same money or more elsewhere. not true for democratic party or NAACP.
doc has to deal with trying to win a championship with a bigot for a coach, but i'm not going to lecture doc on how to handle racism. you bring personal experiences into a lot of situations...i can't begin to understand how doc's personal experiences shape his decisions.
i would add that democrats (although a Real GM article says $6,000 to dems all prior to the 1990s) and the NAACP should be called out for taking money from a racist...just as MU should be called out for making money off of congressman ryan after his racist remarks.
Doc is a really smart guy, I would find it close to unbelievable that he doesn't know about Donald Sterling's past. In fact, I would find it unbelievable. Perhaps he felt he would be an absentee owner and you just plug your nose.
This is what came about from the Elgin Baylor trial, among other things. "I would like to have a white Southern coach coaching poor black players," and that Sterling would bring women into the locker room to gaze at his players' "beautiful black bodies."
From 2011: "During this same period, players Sam Cassell, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette complained that DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, 'Look at those beautiful black bodies.' I brought this to Sterling's attention, but he continued to bring women into the locker room."
In 2003, Sterling didn't like renting to black people and stated: "That's because of all the blacks in this building, they smell, they're not clean,", Mexican-Americans ("just sit around and smoke and drink all day") and people with children ("brats"), though he did like Koreans because "they will take whatever conditions I give them and still pay the rent."
Phil Jackson has been saying for years why he wouldn't associate with Donald Sterling and that the Clippers have been bad due to Karma and all the BS that Sterling has spewed over the years.
The list of sexual harrassment stuff is legendary over at the Clippers. Multiple lawsuits, multiple settlements. The guy has a rap sheet of lewdness and craptacular behavior a mile long going back to the 1980's in the NBA alone.
I guess I give Doc and the players more credit. They know what a scumbag this guy is, most people in sports do and I'd wager 90% + in the NBA do.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 27, 2014, 05:09:57 PM
http://www.nj.com/ledger-dalessandro/index.ssf/2014/04/dalessandro_donald_sterlings_candid_moment_its_business_as_usual_and_nba_business_is_often_ugly.html
Like I said, this has been going on for a long time...a lot longer than the decade implied in this article. It has been seen as Sterling is just a crazy old dude, but players and coaches still come because the money is still green. I'm sorry, if someone in the NBA says they don't know about Sterling's behavior over the years, it is hard to take them seriously. Either they are ignorant, chose not to listen or watch, or are lying. You can't escape what is out in the public alone, the stuff that doesn't even hit the press is even more sordid. They know, but the money is green.
I had totally forgot about this one....in the late 1990's his son was accused of shooting his friend. Guy was shot running away. His son ultimately died a few years ago from a drug overdose, but that's another story.
Sterling, who originally was a lawyer, made some very interesting comments to a detective during the investigation about how tight he was with Bernard Parks and Lee Baca, that was the chief of police here in L.A. and the Sheriff of LA. Parks is now on the City Council and a gem in his own right, as it Baca.
At any rate, Sterling is on tape basically trying to influence the detective in the investigation of his son. At the end of the day, his son was not arrested despite the cops wanting him to. The D.A.'s office declined. Ah what wonderful things happen in the big city.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2000/dec/17/magazine/tm-4889
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
I had totally forgot about this one....in the late 1990's his son was accused of shooting his friend. Guy was shot running away. His son ultimately died a few years ago from a drug overdose, but that's another story.
Sterling, who originally was a lawyer, made some very interesting comments to a detective during the investigation about how tight he was with Bernard Parks and Lee Baca, that was the chief of police here in L.A. and the Sheriff of LA. Parks is now on the City Council and a gem in his own right, as it Baca.
At any rate, Sterling is on tape basically trying to influence the detective in the investigation of his son. At the end of the day, his son was not arrested despite the cops wanting him to. The D.A.'s office declined. Ah what wonderful things happen in the big city.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2000/dec/17/magazine/tm-4889
Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??
No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!
Sultan doesn't like the comment about racist Joe Biden, but I don't see him commenting on avid's random suggestion that Paul Ryan is racist. So surprised. When does Hards chime in?
In before the lock.
Quote from: warrior07 on April 27, 2014, 06:27:05 PM
Sultan doesn't like the comment about racist Joe Biden, but I don't see him commenting on avid's random suggestion that Paul Ryan is racist. So surprised. When does Hards chime in?
To be honest, I didn't see it.
And it was in response to Chicos post.
Nice try though.
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??
No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!
I don't think Chicos feels they are dumb enough....but that they simply overlooked past transgressions.
Sorry you are in denial.
Oh and here is a reference for you.
http://deadspin.com/your-complete-quotable-guide-to-decades-of-donald-sterl-1568047212
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??
No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!
Oh boy...here we go.
Uhm, no, that's not what I said or implied. I gave you other examples of people going back to abusive husbands, wives, bad bosses, etc. All kinds of reasons people are drawn to folks or work for certain people or stay or enter into relationships. Money is one of them.
How can you say that no current Clipper players knew this when Baron Davis played for them through 2011, which includes a bunch of guys that are still on the team right now. Donald Sterling used to heckle Davis during games back in 2010 and 2011. Are you really suggesting the other players didn't know this? Please.
As Baron said yesterday, "That's the way it is...He is honest about what he believes in..
Been going on for a long time, Hats off 2 the Team.. 4 playin above it all."
Anthony Morrow of the New Orleans Pelicans tweeted "
He's had multiple complaints against him over the last 20 years, but it took this To happen for them to "influence" him to sell the team"
You're telling me Morrow of the Pelicans knew this, but not current players of the Clippers. Please
Wake up..The Dude. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 04:23:39 PM
I said many people know about Sterling's background, especially in the NBA. You would have to live under a rock not to know what Elgin Baylor went through very publicly or Baron Davis. Players talk, coaches talk....yet free agents, coaches, etc, still come to play for the Clippers. Why do you think that is? Because it is a job that pays a ton of money. Now, could they have gotten more money elsewhere? Who knows, but they certainly could have been playing or coaching elsewhere. Perhaps there are some players that given the same amount from Clippers and someone else have taken their act to somewhere else because of what is known.
That is really some strange thinking.
There are a limited number of NBA jobs and you response is that guys who trained their entire lives to play in the NBA should give up their dreams because of a racist owner. Could they have been playing elsewhere? Yes and that would have put other players out of jobs or in the same situation that they were in.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 07:22:33 PM
Oh boy...here we go.
Uhm, no, that's not what I said or implied. I gave you other examples of people going back to abusive husbands, wives, bad bosses, etc. All kinds of reasons people are drawn to folks or work for certain people or stay or enter into relationships. Money is one of them.
How can you say that no current Clipper players knew this when Baron Davis played for them through 2011, which includes a bunch of guys that are still on the team right now. Donald Sterling used to heckle Davis during games back in 2010 and 2011. Are you really suggesting the other players didn't know this? Please.
As Baron said yesterday, "That's the way it is...He is honest about what he believes in..Been going on for a long time, Hats off 2 the Team.. 4 playin above it all."
Anthony Morrow of the New Orleans Pelicans tweeted "He's had multiple complaints against him over the last 20 years, but it took this To happen for them to "influence" him to sell the team"
You're telling me Morrow of the Pelicans knew this, but not current players of the Clippers. Please
Wake up..The Dude. ;)
You seem to be implying that black players shouldn't play for the Clippers - that they are selling out. Or if you think I am putting words into your mouth, please clear up your views for me.
Are you saying that black players should give up their vocation to prove their honor? Why aren't you asking whites to not play for a racist? Is it OK for them?
Quote from: brandx on April 27, 2014, 07:26:40 PM
That is really some strange thinking. There are a limited number of NBA jobs and you response is that guys who trained their entire lives to play in the NBA should give up their dreams because of a racist owner. Could they have been playing elsewhere? Yes and that would have put other players out of jobs or in the same situation that they were in.
I don't think it is strange at all. I understand where you are coming from, certainly. My point remains that this is not new news, especially here in So. Cal. People are principled to a point, but when it comes to getting big checks and an opportunity to play, well those principles tend to get forgotten. In fact, I think that is exactly what you are saying if you aren't actually saying it.
People will do a lot of things for the right amount of 0's behind it. The local NAACP chapter out here admitted today that their organization accepted $10K to $15K contributions from him and they loved him as a result. I'm sure that's why the Democrats were going to reward him next month for the bundling fund-raiser honoree...money has a way of curing a lot of warts or making people look like "great guys".
Quote from: brandx on April 27, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
You seem to be implying that black players shouldn't play for the Clippers - that they are selling out. Or if you think I am putting words into your mouth, please clear up your views for me.
Are you saying that black players should give up their vocation to prove their honor? Why aren't you asking whites to not play for a racist? Is it OK for them?
Uhm, I haven't mentioned black players at all, have I? I said players, no identification beyond that. smh
People have all kinds of reasons why they work for certain people, organizations, etc. Money is one of those reasons. There are organizations that I would never work for, ever, but I know a lot of people that would even though they don't agree with the products they sell or the news they push or what they stand for. Why do you think that is?
Let me ask you this question Brand...say he doesn't sell the team because they can't compel him legally to sell the team. Do you think that the Clippers will not be signing free agents moving forward? Why do you think they will or will not be able to? In my view, there will be players that will say absolutely no way. There will be others, that will hold their nose and play. Love to hear your opinion on it.
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??
No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!
Lol. There is official court documents and plenty of main stream news articles showing in detail how how he is a racist. The players would have to be idiots to not even hear things from teammates how racist the owner acts.
Adminstrators please kill this thread. I am getting highly offended!!
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 08:56:10 PM
Adminstrators please kill this thread. I am getting highly offended!!
Why, because so many people have shown you 30 years worth of actions by Sterling and you want to keep sticking to your theory that no one knew about it? That is offensive. I'm glad Baron Davis stated the obvious last night, as did several other former Clippers and current NBA players on other teams.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on April 27, 2014, 08:32:17 PM
Lol. There is official court documents and plenty of main stream news articles showing in detail how how he is a racist. The players would have to be idiots to not even hear things from teammates how racist the owner acts.
Of course and for someone not to know these things who works in that organization, is crazy. You just wait for some of the additional stories that will come out in the next few days. David Stern will take some considerable heat over the course of the next week to 10 days as will some of Sterling's fellow owners.
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??
No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!
There is no question Sterling is a scumbag. He has been sued numerous times for discrimination in the apartment buildings he owns. Everyone in the NBA knows he is a schmuck. I do agree with your general comment that the players and Doc did not know he is a "racist". Being a complete shi#head of an owner is not the same as being a bigot. Doc and the players knew Sterling is odd. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Why, because so many people have shown you 30 years worth of actions by Sterling and you want to keep sticking to your theory that no one knew about it? That is offensive. I'm glad Baron Davis stated the obvious last night, as did several other former Clippers and current NBA players on other teams.
you keep dodging my point. i'd be 90% sure doc new about his past, not arguing that. you stated that doc turned a blind eye to it for more money. i think that's complete BS.
you think doc should refuse to take sterling's $$$...i don't think anyone needs to suggest anything to doc on how to handle racism.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 09:12:28 PM
Why, because so many people have shown you 30 years worth of actions by Sterling and you want to keep sticking to your theory that no one knew about it? That is offensive. I'm glad Baron Davis stated the obvious last night, as did several other former Clippers and current NBA players on other teams.
You are insinuating that the current players are stupid/ignorant for playing for a known racist. What other reason could you possibly have to give us that information?
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 27, 2014, 09:22:40 PM
There is no question Sterling is a scumbag. He has been sued numerous times for discrimination in the apartment buildings he owns. Everyone in the NBA knows he is a schmuck. I do agree with your general comment that the players and Doc did not know he is a "racist". Being a complete shi#head of an owner is not the same as being a bigot. Doc and the players knew Sterling is odd. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
If they didn't know, they were completely ignorant of what their cohorts in the league said about him. I don't believe that.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 26, 2014, 10:00:22 PM
Didn't Doc's house get burned down when he was in San Antonio cause people approve of his wife being white? I think that's what he's referring to.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/rivers-burns-article-1.776410
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 27, 2014, 09:22:40 PM
There is no question Sterling is a scumbag. He has been sued numerous times for discrimination in the apartment buildings he owns. Everyone in the NBA knows he is a schmuck. I do agree with your general comment that the players and Doc did not know he is a "racist". Being a complete shi#head of an owner is not the same as being a bigot. Doc and the players knew Sterling is odd. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
+10000
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
You are insinuating that the current players are stupid/ignorant for playing for known racist. What other reason could you possibly have to give us that information?
Hold on. You are the one making the judgement that they are "stupid" or "ignorant."
There are all sorts of reasons those players chose to play for Sterling's team...
...they didn't care what he said
...they got to know him and didn't think his past actions truly reflected who he is
...they wanted a paycheck and were willing to put up with it
But to claim they didn't know is pretty far fetched considering his past and how inter-connected the NBA is.
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 09:28:15 PM
Hold on. You are the one making the judgement that they are "stupid" or "ignorant."
There are all sorts of reasons those players chose to play for Sterling's team...
...they didn't care what he said
...they got to know him and didn't think his past actions truly reflected who he is
...they wanted a paycheck and were willing to put up with it
But to claim they didn't know is pretty far fetched considering his past and how inter-connected the NBA is.
We have too much pride to work for a known racist. Dont care how much money someone has to offer.
Once again, had CP3, Doc and others KNOWN Sterling didnt like Black people then they wouldnt have signed a contract to play there!
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
We have too much pride to work for a known racist.
Black people...white people...mixed race people....
Many in all racial groups have worked for known racists before. You are sadly mistaken if you think otherwise.
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
You are insinuating that the current players are stupid/ignorant for playing for a known racist. What other reason could you possibly have to give us that information?
smh
Can you tell me why Baron Davis, a former member of the Clippers just a few years ago would say what he did last night? Or former Clipper Shaun Livingston? Or current players about Sterling's ways? Or former GM Elgin Baylor? Or Phil Jackson? Can you tell me how they would know these things and claim they have been going on for decades and current members of the Clippers wouldn't? To grasp what you are saying, players on the New Orleans Pelicans, Miami Heat and Washington Wizards, among others, knew about Sterling but the very players and coaches on the Clippers didn't (even though former Clipper players like Davis and Livingston did and have only been off the team a few years).
I'm not going to play your game. You can ignore the lawsuits, news stories, comments from current and former players as you wish. I give people a bit more credit than you are...I think these guys are very smart, not ignorant at all. Quite frankly, in an ironic twist, you are the one that is claiming they are ignorant but I'm not sure you even see that. Whatever
Peace
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 09:40:18 PM
Black people...white people...mixed race people....
Many in all racial groups have worked for known racists before. You are sadly mistaken if you think otherwise.
Im speaking from an African American's perspective. Considering the history with whites and blacks...man dont get me started
Admins PLEASE shut this thread down!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
smh
Can you tell me why Baron Davis, a former member of the Clippers just a few years ago would say what he did last night? Or former Clipper Shaun Livingston? Or current players about Sterling's ways? Or former GM Elgin Baylor? Or Phil Jackson? Can you tell me how they would know these things and claim they have been going on for decades and current members of the Clippers wouldn't? To grasp what you are saying, players on the New Orleans Pelicans, Miami Heat and Washington Wizards, among others, knew about Sterling but the very players and coaches on the Clippers didn't (even though former Clipper players like Davis and Livingston did and have only been off the team a few years).
I'm not going to play your game. You can ignore the lawsuits, news stories, comments from current and former players as you wish. I give people a bit more credit than you are...I think these guys are very smart, not ignorant at all. Quite frankly, in an ironic twist, you are the one that is claiming they are ignorant but I'm not sure you even see that. Whatever
Peace
Ok guy
Got to be a troll. right?
Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on April 27, 2014, 09:40:18 PM
Black people...white people...mixed race people....
Many in all racial groups have worked for known racists before. You are sadly mistaken if you think otherwise.
Of course. Look at the players that played for Adolph Rupp, they knew about Rupp. Look at racist comments that Reverend Jackson has made over the years, yet there are still folks working for him.
You are exactly correct. Some people just don't want to admit it. I certainly understand ThatDude's response to this, but just think he is wrong.
To follow ThatDude's logic, if this is truly the first time that players or coaches knew this about Sterling, then if Sterling still owns the team after this no one will sign a free agent contract to play for his team as long as he owns it. Current players will demand trades, or resign their positions, etc. That's the only logical conclusion "now that we finally know". I actually hope some players and\or Doc do just that, help force Sterling's hand, but if he doesn't sell the team and is still in control, I have no doubt there will continue to be players signing free agent contracts to play for the Clippers because it is an opportunity to play in the NBA.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 07:22:33 PM
Anthony Morrow of the New Orleans Pelicans tweeted "He's had multiple complaints against him over the last 20 years, but it took this To happen for them to "influence" him to sell the team"
"Multiple" complaints over the last 20 years. When I read that I assume several. But in your world Morrow might very well be saying Sterling has had only 2 complaints against him in 20 years. That's very different. LOL
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Ok guy
I asked fair questions. Why would they know, but no one else did?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 27, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
"Multiple" complaints over the last 20 years. When I read that I assume several. But in your world Morrow might very well be saying Sterling has had only 2 complaints against him in 20 years. That's very different. LOL
Well played. I would think for this type of accusation, 1 would be enough, two would be plenty. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 10:01:57 PM
I asked fair questions. Why would they know, but no one else did?
They heard. Likely a rumor to them. Many people dont believe rumors unless they see it for themselves.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
you keep dodging my point. i'd be 90% sure doc new about his past, not arguing that. you stated that doc turned a blind eye to it for more money. i think that's complete BS.
you think doc should refuse to take sterling's $$$...i don't think anyone needs to suggest anything to doc on how to handle racism.
How am I dodging it..I agreed with your comments earlier. There are limited opportunities out there, especially in pro sports.
Using your words, if you are 90% sure Doc knew about Sterling's past and yet Doc is the coach there, why is that the case? ThatDude says that could never happen. You're 90% sure he knew. In my view, limited opportunities out there, money is good, you can hold your nose, etc, etc. I'm not going to ignore what Phil Jackson, Baron Davis, Elgin Baylor, Shaun Livingston and others have said....they knew, some still worked there despite knowing.
Fair enough of on your second point, but I'd like to see Sterling out of the league and think a gesture like that or a resign or else approach would help get Sterling out. My two cents. I want Doc to come out on top in this and I'd love to see Sterling gone.
Quote from: ThatDude on April 27, 2014, 10:09:47 PM
They heard. Likely a rumor to them. Many people dont believe rumors unless they see it for themselves.
If you heard "rumors" about your boss being sued for being a racist, would you turn a blind eye or would you be like "hmmm maybe this guy is a POS and I should do a quick Google search to find out the truth behind it?"
Also, I don't get why this thread is bad. Everyone here agrees Sterling is a POS and hopes this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back.
i'd love to see sterling suspended for the remainder of the year, the clippers win it all, and then doc puts an ultimatum that either he goes or sterling goes.
i think the only fair response is the one that doc gave today regarding fans not wanting to attend the games. he said he'd like to see them there...but everyone has to decide how to handle this on their own. there's no way doc hadn't heard about elgin baylor's lawsuite or baron davis' comments. my guess is the vast majority of owners are a$$holes, and doc just figured he'd take the racist prick's money and coach a good team. when this blows up, that situation becomes much more difficult.
that said, an interesting thread. amazing to essentially watch democrats and republicans on this thread throw out evidence of racist comments from politicians and other high profile people in both parties. probably a good example that racism is far from an afterthought. hate it.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2014, 11:00:42 PM
i'd love to see sterling suspended for the remainder of the year, the clippers win it all, and then doc puts an ultimatum that either he goes or sterling goes.
i think the only fair response is the one that doc gave today regarding fans not wanting to attend the games. he said he'd like to see them there...but everyone has to decide how to handle this on their own. there's no way doc hadn't heard about elgin baylor's lawsuite or baron davis' comments. my guess is the vast majority of owners are a$$holes, and doc just figured he'd take the racist prick's money and coach a good team. when this blows up, that situation becomes much more difficult.
that said, an interesting thread. amazing to essentially watch democrats and republicans on this thread throw out evidence of racist comments from politicians and other high profile people in both parties. probably a good example that racism is far from an afterthought. hate it.
Good post. I'd only add that racism certainly still exists at some levels, but it also isn't exclusive to one race either. It is wrong, regardless of who does it.
When I first started working at TAMU, I was extended the opportunity to head up a special project within my department. I was ecstatic because it was the type of project that they usually wouldn't entrust to someone in their first year. I was eager to accept. Before I could, one of my veteran coworkers warned me about accepting. He told me the supervisor of the project was controlling, manipulative, and frequently sexually harassed her male employees. I was skeptical but I heard from multiple sources that several complaints had been brought against her, all for the same thing.
I accepted the project. Why? Because even though I knew about this supervisor, I thought I could live with it. I didn't think it would be that bad. It ended up being that bad. Working with that supervisor was a nightmare, still is. I had to bring my own complaints against her. (Still has her job with no ramifications other than being chewed out by her boss. Wonder if I would have been given the same treatment if I had done the same thing to a female employee? But that's another topic).
It's obviously a different situation but I think it is a common human phenomenon to think things won't be as bad as others tell us they will be. It takes actually living through it ourselves to understand. You don't believe the stove is hot just because your mom said so, you have to touch it yourself.
So I don't think the players and Doc turned a blind eye for the money. But they absolutely knew about it.
The NAACP award and the thing with the democrats though, that's ALL about the money. Shameless.
Quote from: 314warrior on April 27, 2014, 02:59:46 PM
He's the owner. What are they going to do? Make him sell? I doubt it, and I'm sure he'd make a ton of money selling his team. Fine him $100k? He won't care. He seems like a terrible old racist, but he has a boat load of money. If people stop going to the games or the players won't play for him, maybe they can threaten the teams value enough that he has to sell. I feel bad for Doc and the players.
Well, MLB essentially made Marge Schott sell the Reds for very similar reasons. So it's not some out-of-left-field suggestion (pun intended).
As for another commenter's pleas for the mods to shut down the thread ... please. It's conversation and an exchange of ideas. We need more talk about this very important issue, not less.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 07:34:32 PM
I don't think it is strange at all. I understand where you are coming from, certainly. My point remains that this is not new news, especially here in So. Cal. People are principled to a point, but when it comes to getting big checks and an opportunity to play, well those principles tend to get forgotten. In fact, I think that is exactly what you are saying if you aren't actually saying it.
People will do a lot of things for the right amount of 0's behind it. The local NAACP chapter out here admitted today that their organization accepted $10K to $15K contributions from him and they loved him as a result. I'm sure that's why the Democrats were going to reward him next month for the bundling fund-raiser honoree...money has a way of curing a lot of warts or making people look like "great guys".
I guess we do agree that both sides can and will do whatever they feel at any time.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Uhm, I haven't mentioned black players at all, have I? I said players, no identification beyond that. smh
People have all kinds of reasons why they work for certain people, organizations, etc. Money is one of those reasons. There are organizations that I would never work for, ever, but I know a lot of people that would even though they don't agree with the products they sell or the news they push or what they stand for. Why do you think that is?
Let me ask you this question Brand...say he doesn't sell the team because they can't compel him legally to sell the team. Do you think that the Clippers will not be signing free agents moving forward? Why do you think they will or will not be able to? In my view, there will be players that will say absolutely no way. There will be others, that will hold their nose and play. Love to hear your opinion on it.
I think you are spot on - although I would phrase it differently. When there are only 450 NBA jobs available for players, it is not a matter of them holding their noses. It is that there are no other options and they should not have to give up their dreams and careers because Sterling is a despicable man. I don't know if he is a racist, although it seems pretty likely, but he is a terrible human being.
I've haven't read every detail about this story, so forgive me if I'm missing something, and of course Sterling is a reprehensible person, but does anyone else have a problem with the fact that someone's private conversation (by that I mean a conversation Sterling did not expect to be made public) can be used in such a manner? I'm sure we've all said things in private conversations that wouldn't put us in the best light. I am in no way condoning what he said and I don't doubt that this guy is a colossal racist jerk, but it seems to me that comments made with an expectation of privacy shouldn't result in a guy being fined. Marge Schott's comments about Hitler, if memory serves, were not private comments.
Anyway, I do agree that this guy has no business running a business whose primary assets are African American employees, nor any highly public business for that matter. I guess I also agree that the NBA should do everything it can legally do to force this guy to sell his team, but it seems odd to me that they could be able to fine him for comments made privately.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 28, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
.......but does anyone else have a problem with the fact that someone's private conversation (by that I mean a conversation Sterling did not expect to be made public) can be used in such a manner?
........................Anyway, I do agree that this guy has no business running a business whose primary assets are African American employees, nor any highly public business for that matter.
First point - I agree, made me feel a little squeamish.
On the second point, why does this guy even want to own an NBA team?
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 28, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
I've haven't read every detail about this story, so forgive me if I'm missing something, and of course Sterling is a reprehensible person, but does anyone else have a problem with the fact that someone's private conversation (by that I mean a conversation Sterling did not expect to be made public) can be used in such a manner? I'm sure we've all said things in private conversations that wouldn't put us in the best light. I am in no way condoning what he said and I don't doubt that this guy is a colossal racist jerk, but it seems to me that comments made with an expectation of privacy shouldn't result in a guy being fined. Marge Schott's comments about Hitler, if memory serves, were not private comments.
Anyway, I do agree that this guy has no business running a business whose primary assets are African American employees, nor any highly public business for that matter. I guess I also agree that the NBA should do everything it can legally do to force this guy to sell his team, but it seems odd to me that they could be able to fine him for comments made privately.
Yea. that was brought up in the article I posted. Certainly a "squirmy" way to obtain the evidence.
Interesting to hear Mark Jackson's comments this morning. He is asking Clippers fans not to go to the game tomorrow night to show their outrage. Problem with that, it could be argued as self serving as it benefits Jackson's team to have fewer fans show up and neutralize home court.
I spoke to a few Clippers fans here at work and they are all going tomorrow night. They cheer for the team and want to support the team.
Quote from: ttheisen on April 28, 2014, 10:08:04 AM
First point - I agree, made me feel a little squeamish.
On the second point, why does this guy even want to own an NBA team?
It's a possession for him. Power, etc.
Agree .. and I'm surprised at the nuclear reaction. I mean, I kept reading the transcript waiting for the n-bomb .. or talk about abortions or lynchings.. the language just seemed to be run-of-the-mill racist sentiment that old coots say.
Not to forgive the language or sentiment, of course, but if you compiled a list of the top million vulgar quotes of the last few decades uttered by racists, what was said wouldn't be that high on the list. On the uber condescending list, it would rank high, no doubt.
If Sterling IS a racist, and the evidence seems to point that way, I don't care. There are plenty of them around. Nothing I say will make him change his mind.
This is still a free country where a man can think as he pleases. I don't believe he has committed a crime.
But, the good news is that he is exposed for what he is and we are free to make him a pariah - both in the NBA and in the world at large. It's always better that this stuff sees the light of day and we have the evidence to judge accordingly.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 28, 2014, 11:24:09 AM
Interesting to hear Mark Jackson's comments this morning. He is asking Clippers fans not to go to the game tomorrow night to show their outrage. Problem with that, it could be argued as self serving as it benefits Jackson's team to have fewer fans show up and neutralize home court.
I spoke to a few Clippers fans here at work and they are all going tomorrow night. They cheer for the team and want to support the team.
Agreed. Problem with a boycott is those tickets are already bought. Boycotting doesn't take money out of his pocket. Just don't buy concessions. Don't buy merchandise. Bring your "Not MY owner" signs. And cheer like hell for your team -- they need to know people appreciate them even if their asshat owner doesn't.
Just out of curiosity, did it sound to anybody else like the ramblings of an old guy whose mind is starting to go? Like maybe a decade ago he would have had enough sense to keep those kinds of opinions to himself but the filter is just gone now? I realize he may be just a horrible racist, but I almost felt sorry for the guy.
Quote from: brandx on April 28, 2014, 11:39:25 AM
But, the good news is that he is exposed for what he is and we are free to make him a pariah - both in the NBA and in the world at large. It's always better that this stuff sees the light of day and we have the evidence to judge accordingly.
I like it when racists and other miscreants ramble on for this exact reason. It makes them the devils we know. I'd rather have the hoods lifted and know exactly who and what we are dealing with in all of these cases.
Quote from: source? on April 28, 2014, 12:26:58 PM
Just out of curiosity, did it sound to anybody else like the ramblings of an old guy whose mind is starting to go? Like maybe a decade ago he would have had enough sense to keep those kinds of opinions to himself but the filter is just gone now? I realize he may be just a horrible racist, but I almost felt sorry for the guy.
Right on. I mean, here he is, in a debate with his hot girlfriend who doesn't know her place!
As men, we should relate.
Minus the hot girlfriend, minus the billion dollars.
What kind of wing-men are we?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on April 28, 2014, 02:07:42 PM
Right on. I mean, here he is, in a debate with his hot girlfriend who doesn't know her place!
As men, we should relate.
Minus the hot girlfriend, minus the billion dollars.
What kind of wing-men are we?
I don't feel sorry for him about his girlfriend (dude is married) or the racism (if he's a racist then he's a pos, and most accounts are he's a pos), but I've lived through a grandparent slowly losing their mind and it sucks. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
Quote from: source? on April 28, 2014, 02:32:47 PM
I don't feel sorry for him about his girlfriend (dude is married) or the racism (if he's a racist then he's a pos, and most accounts are he's a pos), but I've lived through a grandparent slowly losing their mind and it sucks. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
And I didn't mean to belittle the point. Both my parents died in their 60s with severe neurology issues. ('topper.) I'm likely going downhill as I type this.
Quote from: source? on April 28, 2014, 02:32:47 PM
I don't feel sorry for him about his girlfriend (dude is married) or the racism (if he's a racist then he's a pos, and most accounts are he's a pos), but I've lived through a grandparent slowly losing their mind and it sucks. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
Agreed. But it sounded more like pointed criticisms than rambling incoherence to me. (it's certainly a lot more coherent than Mel Gibson's drunken anti-Semitic diatribe.)
You do bring up an interesting point with age. Throw in Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's recent remarks, and you have to wonder if the "generational" factor comes into play. Frankly, I've always thought that was a load of crap, but my devoutly Irish-Catholic grandfather held some world views that I'm not proud of.
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on April 28, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
Agreed. But it sounded more like pointed criticisms than rambling incoherence to me. (it's certainly a lot more coherent than Mel Gibson's drunken anti-Semitic diatribe.)
You do bring up an interesting point with age. Throw in Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's recent remarks, and you have to wonder if the "generational" factor comes into play. Frankly, I've always thought that was a load of crap, but my devoutly Irish-Catholic grandfather held some world views that I'm not proud of.
I think you may have a point. I see lots of older people that say really stupid, racist sounding comments. Yet they treat minorities in one-on-one situations just like they treat anyone else. I think for a lot of seniors, it's just what they were taught as kids is still somewhere in their heads. I don't really know if Sterling is this sort of person.
Bundy is a different animal. Doesn't believe in US gov't and still believes blacks do not deserve same rights as others. He is a follower of Posse Comitatus which was formed to prevent the Federal Gov't from being able to enforce freedoms for blacks in the south. Bundy is just the plain old garden variety of white supremacy racist.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 27, 2014, 11:00:42 PM
then doc puts an ultimatum that either he goes or sterling goes.
Yea, that'll work
MU alum Charlie Pierce's take on Grantland:
http://grantland.com/features/donald-sterling-racism-nba-owner/ (http://grantland.com/features/donald-sterling-racism-nba-owner/)
He hits on a few interesting topics, like the First Amendment, Bundy, Marge Schott, and even David Stern as enabler. Highlight for me was former Cavaliers owner "Ted Stepien will trade you to Milwaukee for a pound of Usinger's sausage and a half case of Blatz."
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on April 28, 2014, 03:50:44 PM
MU alum Charlie Pierce's take on Grantland:
http://grantland.com/features/donald-sterling-racism-nba-owner/ (http://grantland.com/features/donald-sterling-racism-nba-owner/)
He hits on a few interesting topics, like the First Amendment, Bundy, Marge Schott, and even David Stern as enabler. Highlight for me was former Cavaliers owner "Ted Stepien will trade you to Milwaukee for a pound of Usinger's sausage and a half case of Blatz."
Charles is a sharp guy, but there were some obvious things he didn't say in that article that he would have if someone from the opposite belief system he holds dear was involved. That's mostly true with Pierce's stuff, so I certainly didn't expect anything different.
Now this.....
http://nypost.com/2014/04/27/knicks-great-larry-johnson-calls-for-all-black-league/
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 28, 2014, 04:10:13 PM
Now this.....
http://nypost.com/2014/04/27/knicks-great-larry-johnson-calls-for-all-black-league/
Just spouting off. No one has ever confused Larry for being a genius.
Would be fun to see though. Where would they play since an awful lots of arenas were built with public money? The only players they could get are guys cut by the NBA since salaries would be tiny. Who would watch the games?
As I said, Larry is not the most clever guy around.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 27, 2014, 07:34:32 PM
People will do a lot of things for the right amount of 0's behind it. The local NAACP chapter out here admitted today that their organization accepted $10K to $15K contributions from him and they loved him as a result. I'm sure that's why the Democrats were going to reward him next month for the bundling fund-raiser honoree...money has a way of curing a lot of warts or making people look like "great guys".
I see what you did there. Every inference you made is that he is a Dem. The truth is the opposite. LA County records show him registered Republican since 1998. There are no records ever showing him registered as Democrat.
And the only 2 Dems he ever contributed small amounts ($3,000 total) to were Gray Davis & Bill Bradley many, many years ago.
Come on fellas. It doesn't matter if it's painted red or painted blue -- at the end of the day, it's still just a painted piece of sh!t.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 28, 2014, 04:10:13 PM
Now this.....
http://nypost.com/2014/04/27/knicks-great-larry-johnson-calls-for-all-black-league/
Proves the point. A 'grandmama' saying something dumb.
Kareem .. some good points here.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kareem-blame-sterling-girlfriend
Still think the cat was set up with the phone conversation bein' taped and such.
Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2014, 05:34:31 PM
Proves the point. A 'grandmama' saying something dumb.
Not to be outdone from the other side, this from today. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/all-american-basketball-league-call-all-white-american-born-teams-sparks-backlash-report-article-1.461284
Quote from: brandx on April 28, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
I see what you did there. Every inference you made is that he is a Dem. The truth is the opposite. LA County records show him registered Republican since 1998. There are no records ever showing him registered as Democrat.
And the only 2 Dems he ever contributed small amounts ($3,000 total) to were Gray Davis & Bill Bradley many, many years ago.
Follow the money, you're also omitting Donald Sterling Foundation donations and other entities. This was discussed in the other thread.
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on April 28, 2014, 05:34:12 PM
Come on fellas. It doesn't matter if it's painted red or painted blue -- at the end of the day, it's still just a painted piece of sh!t.
Paul Begala seems to disagree..."check your donor list"...lol, indeed Mr. Begala, check YOUR donor list.
http://tucsone.tucsonthomasproducts.com/check-your-donor-lists-paul-begala-advises-conservatives-not-to-defend-donald-sterling-instapundit-leads-schooling/
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on April 29, 2014, 09:17:22 AM
Kareem .. some good points here.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kareem-blame-sterling-girlfriend
Kareem is an extremely intelligent man. Well versed on many subjects.
Comments from Cuban:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10854381/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-rails-donald-sterling-not-favor-kicking-owner (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10854381/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-rails-donald-sterling-not-favor-kicking-owner)
Quote"In no uncertain terms am I supporting what Donald Sterling said, or his position," Cuban said. "He's obviously racist, he's obviously bigoted. And in this day and age when you're in the public eye, you've got to be damn careful -- if that's your position, and that's unfortunately where you're at, you better be damn careful what you say, even in the privacy of your own home.
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."
There are two reasons I would love to see the Clippers win it all:
#1 for Doc
#2 for the commissioner's trophy presentation to... ?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 29, 2014, 09:44:58 AM
Not to be outdone from the other side, this from today. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/all-american-basketball-league-call-all-white-american-born-teams-sparks-backlash-report-article-1.461284
He just uses different code words than have been used here. His league would appeal to those who prefer "fundamental" (traditional) to the "street ball" (athletic) version of basketball. Not coincidentally, his fundamental (traditional) players would necessarily be Caucasian and American born. The Great Traditional has a nice (though racist) ring to it.
It bothers me to see Doc vilified in other places (ESPN.com in the comments sections where they've covered this story). He has his reasons why he took the Clippers job, but Sterling is the villain here, not the people that work for him that are now caught up in this ugly situation. I respect the hell out of Doc and always have and it would be wrong to his reputation tarnished in any way because of Sterling's comments. If the team can somehow overcome this massive distraction and win the title, I would respect Doc that much more.
So Doc is going to quit at the end of the season and become our 3rd assistant, right?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 29, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
Paul Begala seems to disagree...
Begala's a blowhard who gets paid to do just that. I couldn't care less.
Kareem makes some good points. Not only do the lady-friend's motives seem highly suspect, but what about the culpability of TMZ in all this? Surely they broke this story out of moral obligation to the American public.
To reiterate: Sterling's a dirtbag. But this story may have created more problems than it tried to solve.
Quote from: brandx on April 28, 2014, 03:40:43 PM
I think you may have a point. I see lots of older people that say really stupid, racist sounding comments. Yet they treat minorities in one-on-one situations just like they treat anyone else. I think for a lot of seniors, it's just what they were taught as kids is still somewhere in their heads. I don't really know if Sterling is this sort of person.
This is spot on, brandx. It's rather easy to construct false narratives about unfamiliar groups/cultures. The fear, suspicion, etc. that such false (or merely anecdotal) narratives create breeds bigotry. Some in my parent's generation (I'm 65) would say "Joe (the only black guy they knew) is a great guy - not like the rest of em". Most (though sadly not all) of those in my generation have had enough interaction with African Americans (and other unfamiliar races/cultures) to be less ignorant and fearful than our parents. Our children (thankfully) are much more likely to ostracize the bigot rather than the minority individual. I hope that for my grandchildren that distinction by race will be superfluous. The progress between people of good will is never fast enough for the victims of prejudice but the history of USA is that, so far at least, it is inexorable. That's something we should all celebrate.
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on April 29, 2014, 10:44:53 AM
Begala's a blowhard who gets paid to do just that. I couldn't care less.
Kareem makes some good points. Not only do the lady-friend's motives seem highly suspect, but what about the culpability of TMZ in all this? Surely they broke this story out of moral obligation to the American public.
To reiterate: Sterling's a dirtbag. But this story may have created more problems than it tried to solve.
Actually the story created more opportunities for the politicians--which was the motive in the first place.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 29, 2014, 11:05:49 AM
Actually the story created more opportunities for the politicians--which was the motive in the first place.
A side effect, sure. But this was about generating mouse clicks, and subsequently, revenue. Sickening that everything in this story comes back to the money.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 29, 2014, 09:44:58 AM
Not to be outdone from the other side, this from today. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/all-american-basketball-league-call-all-white-american-born-teams-sparks-backlash-report-article-1.461284
Is there a reason why you posted an article from 2010 labeled as "from today"?
Silver laying down the law. Banned for life. Maximum fine. Doing everything in his power to ensure a forced sale of the team happens. Good for him.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on April 29, 2014, 09:17:22 AM
Kareem .. some good points here.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kareem-blame-sterling-girlfriend
Lots of interesting stuff here. Kareem obviously is a smart guy ... though I do wonder how much he loves sharing a viewpoint with Rush.
Still, blaming "da broad" for your own shortcomings as a man and a human being, that's an old trick. I'm thrilled Sterling's hate was made public, and I'm not the least bit bothered about the method.
Yeah, I'm tempted to think more of this kind of stuff comes out when you have a wife AND a girlfriend.
Especially when the guy is giving the girl lots of money that the wife thinks should be hers.
Does the girlfriend hold her nose and close her eyes?