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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU B2002 on April 10, 2014, 09:34:14 PM
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Twitter tracker
@WisBBYearbook: Indiana extended a scholarship offer to Marquette commit Marial Shayok. Shayok has yet to be released from NLI from MU.
Apologies if this has already been posted.
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Twitter tracker
@WisBBYearbook: Indiana extended a scholarship offer to Marquette commit Marial Shayok. Shayok has yet to be released from NLI from MU.
Apologies if this has already been posted.
The Bronzed Beast strikes once again.
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Does he realize that the tan one will be gone shortly?
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Seriously, Crean can do this? The NCAA allows it?
Based on this alone, I wouldn't release him. If another school interferes like this with a player who hasn't even asked for a release from his LOI, don't let him go.
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Technically speaking they can extend an offer so long as nobody speaks to Marial. But to say that nobody spoke to him before they offered is kinda ridiculous.
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Seriously, they can do this?
. That's what I thought, is that even legal?
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Does he realize that the tan one will be gone shortly?
Precisely why he would commit
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If the offer is formal...is kind of strange... back channels must be in overdrive.
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Precisely why he would commit
Be in on the ground floor for an improved regime.
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Seriously, Crean can do this? The NCAA allows it?
Based on this alone, I wouldn't release him. If another school interferes like this with a player who hasn't even asked for a release from his LOI, don't let him go.
You think the Buzzard hasn't offered these kids an offer...of course he has.
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I'm appalled.
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College sports is a dirty, messy business. No honor. No scruples.
Yes, I love MU hoops...but I love it with my eyes wide open.
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People must have thought a few kids that transferred here did so out of pure happenstance and there were no offers put out there while kids were on scholarship...cough...cough.
Was this twitter a #donedeal or written in sharpie ink?
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Why don't you look, since I am assuming you have twitter.
It was caused by this...
More twitter tracking
@CoachMantegna: @supermarial03 picked up an offer from Indiana and @ElijahBurns11 picked up an offer from Notre Dame.
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People must have thought a few kids that transferred here did so out of pure happenstance and there were no offers put out there while kids were on scholarship...cough...cough.
Was this twitter a #donedeal or written in sharpie ink?
true but we waited until AFTER they left BEFORE jumping in with an offer.
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true but we waited until AFTER they left BEFORE jumping in with an offer.
LOL.....uhm, no we didn't.
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LOL.....uhm, no we didn't.
Trent or Luke?
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I was assuming he was referring to Jamil
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Trent or Luke?
Oh, I think you aren't going back in time enough
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Oh, I think you aren't going back in time enough
I give up
Added ...
I think I figured it out ... Jamil Wilson?
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Can they publicly offer a scholarship like this?
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Can they publicly offer a scholarship like this?
Kids say they are transferring, and then schools start to offer scholarships (through intermediaries, AAU coaches, HS coaches, etc). You won't see anything public on this so there really isn't a "public offer". They are not supposed to contact the student athlete without permission from the school. How do you think MU got a transfer the exact same day he was granted a release? Because communications happen ahead of time.
That's why I asked the question where did this appear? I'd also want to know if MU has passed on Shayok and granted permission or given release? Or, if the rumor is even true. That same site said Shaka was so rock solid it could be written SHARPIE INK about 2 weeks ago.
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Kids say they are transferring, and then schools start to offer scholarships (through intermediaries, AAU coaches, HS coaches, etc). You won't see anything public on this so there really isn't a "public offer". They are not supposed to contact the student athlete without permission from the school. How do you think MU got a transfer the exact same day he was granted a release? Because communications happen ahead of time.
That's why I asked the question where did this appear? I'd also want to know if MU has passed on Shayok and granted permission or given release? Or, if the rumor is even true. That same site said Shaka was so rock solid it could be written SHARPIE INK about 2 weeks ago.
Isn't the guy tweeting this his high school coach?
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I guess the real question is how critical is landing this guy? Every transition has casualties and it seems we are fortunately blood free thus far. If one were to rack and stack the recruits it would seem that Shayok is likely our fourth priority. What we don't know is Wojo's game plan so it's difficult to project talent against need.
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Tit-for-Tat. We get Fisher, they take Shayok. So the wheel turns.
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Information came from his coach. Most likely offer made through his coach. This seems like pretty solid information. TC to coach: tell kid I have a spot for him...sure I'll only be here for another yr but think of the advantage of working with multiple college coaches-what an opportunity.
Coach posts to twitter. Message boards everywhere overreact.
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It is still breaking the rules, Sure rules are broken all the time, but that does not make it right.
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It is still breaking the rules, Sure rules are broken all the time, but that does not make it right.
And rarely is it this clearly publicized.
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People must have thought a few kids that transferred here did so out of pure happenstance and there were no offers put out there while kids were on scholarship...cough...cough.
Was this twitter a #donedeal or written in sharpie ink?
So what you THINK happened with Jamil was squirmy and what we KNOW happened with Shayok isn't. Predictable.
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Maybe Shayok was the player-to-be-named-later in the Fisher trade? LOL
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So what you THINK happened with Jamil was squirmy and what we KNOW happened with Shayok isn't. Predictable.
Where did I say this isn't squirmy? You got your spider sense psychology decoder ring on again....predictable.
By the way, we don't know jack squat what happened here....we know someone put a tweet out. Did you not learn anything the last few weeks with donedeal? Do you know if any conversation happened with MU and the parties? Nope, you know nothing of the kind....predictable.
What we DO KNOW is the very day someone was granted a release a person signed to go to another school. The magical stars must have aligned to know that the very day someone was released WITHOUT TALKING to that other school they would not only have an opening but would be willing to take him and it all happened within hours .....oh and an admissions application from another kid was...cough cough...not turned in to keep a spot open...that's a crazy stars alignment in 4 to 6 hours. I hope everyone bought lottery tickets, too, that day because for all that lucky stuff to happen at the same time without any previous conversations in advance of that is really...well lucky. Better to be lucky than good I say.
I'm selling a bridge Lenny, you interested?
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Information came from his coach. Most likely offer made through his coach. This seems like pretty solid information. TC to coach: tell kid I have a spot for him...sure I'll only be here for another yr but think of the advantage of working with multiple college coaches-what an opportunity.
Coach posts to twitter. Message boards everywhere overreact.
Somehow, I don't think that Crean wanted this information to go public prior to Shayok asking for his release. Rumor's are to be expected, but a public annoncement by the supposed intermediary, not likely. Maybe having Shayok's coach announce this will create enough scrutiny to cause Crean to back off. I'm sure that Emment, the NCAA President, is a little uncomfortable seeing his old school publicly circumventing the no contact rules for LOI signors.
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Received his release from marquette.
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Per Evan Daniels confirmed by shayoks father.
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Received his release from marquette.
Oh well. Only so many minutes to go around. So long as we keep hill not a real loss.
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This has a Tyshawn Taylor feel to it. HS coach wants his name out there associated with a blue blood, so he goes public with the Indiana offer.
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Really did not need another 6'6" guard/forward right now, like to see a big for next year, maybe another grad student for a year. Somebody with a little strength. Is Harris still in the picture
or not? Rather have him.
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This has a Tyshawn Taylor feel to it. HS coach wants his name out there associated with a blue blood, so he goes public with the Indiana offer.
Shayok very well may turn into a dynamic collegiate player and his people are going to push the Luol Deng comparison hard. However, here in Jersey, he's never talked about as an elite prospect amongst the other high school/prep kids though that may come because Blair rarely plays Jersey schools.
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 15m
Marial Shayok just received a release from his Letter of Intent at Marquette, per his father.
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I don't really feel Shayok is a loss at all. He fits the Buzz switchable profile and is not a very good shooter. I think Wojo got let off the hook on this one and is probably is relieved.
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Shayok very well may turn into a dynamic collegiate player and his people are going to push the Luol Deng comparison hard. However, here in Jersey, he's never talked about as an elite prospect amongst the other high school/prep kids though that may come because Blair rarely plays Jersey schools.
MU only has 1 junior next year in Taylor, hate to say it, but Wojo needs a JC kid.
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MU only has 1 junior next year in Taylor, hate to say it, but Wojo needs a JC kid.
Or a transfer
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I don't really feel Shayok is a loss at all. He fits the Buzz switchable profile and is not a very good shooter. I think Wojo got let off the hook on this one and is probably is relieved.
Unless everyone else and Harris come, we have one open schollie.
Please don't say "bank it." As have discussed this in other threads, you never ever ever bank a schollie. Never know who gets hurt, leaves or has a bad season. Have to go into the season with 13 players.
Let's see who Wojo replaces Shayok with.
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This one is a positive, so long as Wojo fills the spot with any one of his guys. I'd consider Wojo's player retention too forced if he wasted calories keeping Shayok.
Please don't say "bank it." As have discussed this in other threads, you never ever ever bank a schollie. Never know who gets hurt, leaves or has a bad season. Have to go into the season with 13 players.
Exactly right. "Banking" is self-imposing a loss of scholarship penalty on the program for no violation other than failure to recruit a full roster.
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Shayok - out
Pierce - 50/50?
Hill - leaning towards staying
Cohen - staying with MU
Noskowiak - decommitted, MU still a top
Could Shayok leaving influence Hill or Pierce?
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Shayok - out
Pierce - 50/50?
Hill - leaning towards staying
Cohen - staying with MU
Noskowiak - decommitted, MU still a top
Could Shayok leaving influence Hill or Pierce?
Doubt it. Shayok committed after Hill.
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Shayok - out
Pierce - 50/50?
Hill - leaning towards staying
Cohen - staying with MU
Noskowiak - decommitted, MU still a top
Could Shayok leaving influence Hill or Pierce?
And Harris is an unknown
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Unless everyone else and Harris come, we have one open schollie.
Please don't say "bank it." As have discussed this in other threads, you never ever ever bank a schollie. Never know who gets hurt, leaves or has a bad season. Have to go into the season with 13 players.
Let's see who Wojo replaces Shayok with.
So you would rather give out a scholarship just to do it, than save it for the next year when you could land better players? Wojo has a totally different philosophy than Brent and I would be happy to bank two open scholarships. This gives Wojo a chance to get his type of player in here quicker and could make for a faster transition. There are very few recruits that are unsigned in 2014 and even fewer that are worth signing. It would be nice to get a big man in here for a year, but I think Shayok leaving is a blessing for us. Wouldn't be heartbroken if Pierce left either. But Hill...get him locked back up ASAP!!
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Shayok - out
Pierce - 50/50?
Hill - leaning towards staying
Cohen - staying with MU
Noskowiak - decommitted, MU still a top
Could Shayok leaving influence Hill or Pierce?
Nope, not taking their minutes either way. Shayok wasn't worth keeping, Pierce can go either way. Wojo bats 1.000 in my book with a Hill retention.
So you would rather give out a scholarship just to do it, than save it for the next year when you could land better players? Wojo has a totally different philosophy than Brent and I would be happy to bank two open scholarships. This gives Wojo a chance to get his type of player in here quicker and could make for a faster transition. There are very few recruits that are unsigned in 2014 and even fewer that are worth signing. It would be nice to get a big man in here for a year, but I think Shayok leaving is a blessing for us. Wouldn't be heartbroken if Pierce left either. But Hill...get him locked back up ASAP!!
There's no such thing as saving one year deals. Use it or lose it. At least three more open spots for next year already. Have to have confidence that a player who isn't a high flyer nets out better after a year of development than pick #4 next year would...if not, better than not even trying.
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We desperately need immediate frontline help and Pierce isn't likely to provide it. Hope he opts out, too. Wojo has a lot to sell graduate students like Desmond Simmons and Jon Horford.
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Is he a top 100? If so this is a big deal
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Is he a top 100? If so this is a big deal
No but being a top 100 recruit shouldnt be your baseline. Just look at Davante, Jimmy, DJO and Jae.
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So you would rather give out a scholarship just to do it, than save it for the next year when you could land better players? Wojo has a totally different philosophy than Brent and I would be happy to bank two open scholarships. This gives Wojo a chance to get his type of player in here quicker and could make for a faster transition. There are very few recruits that are unsigned in 2014 and even fewer that are worth signing. It would be nice to get a big man in here for a year, but I think Shayok leaving is a blessing for us. Wouldn't be heartbroken if Pierce left either. But Hill...get him locked back up ASAP!!
Don't forget how far behind Wojo is. It isn't as though these "better players" are just sitting out there undiscovered. They have been recruited by other schools for at least the last year and built relationships with coaches, whereas Wojo is coming in fresh. That isn't to say he can't make inroads, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that these better players are going to come. His first real recruiting class for MU is going to be the class of 2016. Our best hope for impact players early in his tenure outside of current recruits are going to be JUCOs and transfers because they are entering the market green to everyone.
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Really did not need another 6'6" guard/forward right now, like to see a big for next year, maybe another grad student for a year. Somebody with a little strength. Is Harris still in the picture
or not? Rather have him.
Wojo cooled on him.
Seriously, though, you just accept and move on. That's the way it works.
In other words ...
Next!
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Is he a top 100? If so this is a big deal
College basketball's wastebasket is filled with former Top 100s who turned out to be garbage.
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Best of luck Super Marial
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Another 6'6 switchable that can't shoot. Looks like the same player as Cohen to me. Wish him well. Have to be able to shoot in CBB, hopefully Wojo recruits that way. MU was the only team to win a S16 game shooting under 30% from 3. Recruit a PG who can score, wings that can shoot and bigs that can rebound.
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Don't forget how far behind Wojo is. It isn't as though these "better players" are just sitting out there undiscovered. They have been recruited by other schools for at least the last year and built relationships with coaches, whereas Wojo is coming in fresh. That isn't to say he can't make inroads, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that these better players are going to come. His first real recruiting class for MU is going to be the class of 2016. Our best hope for impact players early in his tenure outside of current recruits are going to be JUCOs and transfers because they are entering the market green to everyone.
Being the type of guy that Wojo is, classy and respectable- just as his mentor Coach K, it's highly improbable that he "steals" any people that he started to recruit at Duke. I'm sure his number 1 priority is to cement in the incoming freshman and those who have already shown an interest in MU. This would make sense anyways, as the work has already been done in getting them to come here. Why waste all the effort and start over? Otherwise, you are correct in that Wojo will most likely have to start from scratch - or perhaps leverage a relationship that one of his assistant's has.
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So you would rather give out a scholarship just to do it, than save it for the next year when you could land better players?
Absolutely. There is no downside, and plenty of upside.
The upside is that if the kid blows up, he'll be a solid, four-year contributor.
The upside is that if you are hampered with injuries, you still have some bench depth.
The upside is that you have enough players to hold scrimmages, even if you're down a player or two becuase of illness, injury, etc.
The only downside is that the player doesn't show potential, he'll transfer at year's end.
Of course, that means you can still get that better player next year.
And, please, nobody moralize on how unfair this is. Both players and coaches know this arragement going into the season. Player at least gets a shot at playing for Marquette instead of settling for something like UWM or Loyola. Scholarships are one-year deals. You have to perform to keep it. BTW, this is the same for any other student--don't maintain your grades, you lose an academic scholarship as well.
If you "bank" the scholarship, the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that you'll get absolutely zero production from that scholarship for the year. No depth in case of injury. No player to use in practice scrimmages. No possiblity that the player develops into a solid performer.
I'll take a player over an empty seat any day.
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Nope, not taking their minutes either way. Shayok wasn't worth keeping, Pierce can go either way. Wojo bats 1.000 in my book with a Hill retention.
There's no such thing as saving one year deals. Use it or lose it. At least three more open spots for next year already. Have to have confidence that a player who isn't a high flyer nets out better after a year of development than pick #4 next year would...if not, better than not even trying.
I respectfully disagree. There were 4 unsigned top 150 kids when I looked a week ago. While I don't think the recruiting rankings are all they are cracked up to be, it does give a good barometer of what kind of talent is still out there. I think the graduate transfer would be great to use this year. I don't think trying to fill spots, just for the sake of filling the roster makes any sense. It's not a one year deal, it is a four year commitment you make to the player. To fill the roster with people you normally wouldn't sign doesn't make much sense to me.
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let Wojo recruit Shayok just like everyone else that signed w MU.
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College basketball's wastebasket is filled with former Top 100s who turned out to be garbage.
Pretty harsh...
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Pretty harsh...
Agree. I think Shayok has the intangibles to be a solid Division I player. That's evidenced by Crean and Bennett getting in immediately on his recruitment. The question will be can a guy who's neither as skilled as Deng nor as athletic as Oladipo find his niche to be an elite player at the next level.
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Absolutely. There is no downside, and plenty of upside.
The upside is that if the kid blows up, he'll be a solid, four-year contributor.
The upside is that if you are hampered with injuries, you still have some bench depth.
The upside is that you have enough players to hold scrimmages, even if you're down a player or two becuase of illness, injury, etc.
The only downside is that the player doesn't show potential, he'll transfer at year's end.
Of course, that means you can still get that better player next year.
And, please, nobody moralize on how unfair this is. Both players and coaches know this arragement going into the season. Player at least gets a shot at playing for Marquette instead of settling for something like UWM or Loyola. Scholarships are one-year deals. You have to perform to keep it. BTW, this is the same for any other student--don't maintain your grades, you lose an academic scholarship as well.
If you "bank" the scholarship, the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that you'll get absolutely zero production from that scholarship for the year. No depth in case of injury. No player to use in practice scrimmages. No possiblity that the player develops into a solid performer.
I'll take a player over an empty seat any day.
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Bank one or two scholarships? If that is no big deal, then why don't we cheat? The first offense is often a loss of one or two scholarships for a year. If we are willing to do it to ourselves, then the penalty for cheating is no big deal and we should cheat!
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Bank one or two scholarships? If that is no big deal, then why don't we cheat? The first offense is often a loss of one or two scholarships for a year. If we are willing to do it to ourselves, then the penalty for cheating is no big deal and we should cheat!
Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.
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I'm selling a bridge Lenny, you interested?
No.
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Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.
Well, actually, it's exactly like that.
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No.
So Shayok was released from his NLI....that's what I thought. Sorry your line of thinking blew up. Carry on.
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Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.
It's pretty rare for teams go not use an existing scholarship on a player. There's a reason for that. Many if which have been already mentioned in this thread.
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Well, actually, it's exactly like that.
Really, how often does that happen? You just tell the kid he is no longer needed and thanks for stopping in? Players transfer, they don't get cut. What if the kid falls in love with MU and doesn't care about playing? Are we gonna kick him to the curb?
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It's pretty rare for teams go not use an existing scholarship on a player. There's a reason for that. Many if which have been already mentioned in this thread.
Villanova had 2 open scholarships this year and have 3 openings for next year currently. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them this year.
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If Brent was still here, I could see Shayok falling into the Erik Williams, Jamail Jones, Jamal Ferguson category. Now we'll never know how he would've turned out under Wojo. At this moment we need bigs. Jon Horford would be a perfect fit for what we need, but haven't seen anywhere that he's listed any schools he's interested in. One day at a time.
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Villanova had 2 open scholarships this year and have 3 openings for next year currently. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them this year.
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Really, how often does that happen? You just tell the kid he is no longer needed and thanks for stopping in? Players transfer, they don't get cut. What if the kid falls in love with MU and doesn't care about playing? Are we gonna kick him to the curb?
It happens all the time at every high major school in every sport. You don't perform, you lose your scholarship. You're an investment and if you're not working out you get cut.
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Where did I say this isn't squirmy? You got your spider sense psychology decoder ring on again....predictable.
By the way, we don't know jack squat what happened here....we know someone put a tweet out. Did you not learn anything the last few weeks with donedeal? Do you know if any conversation happened with MU and the parties? Nope, you know nothing of the kind....predictable.
the most predictable part of this thread was you jumping on and stating that buzz is squirmy, too. i started looking for your post the second i read the first one. you never let me down.
thank you for always defending TC from those that treated him unfairly compared to previously coaches that left...wondering why you don't do the same for buzz?
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Villanova had 2 open scholarships this year and have 3 openings for next year currently. Seems to have worked out pretty well for them this year.
Well they had a better year than us, were ranked very high for most of the year, and didn't get very far in the tournament. I would take that compared to the year we had but give me some
more examples that it's the norm for teams leave scholarships open. Like I said, there are more positives than negatives to using your scholarships.
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the most predictable part of this thread was you jumping on and stating that buzz is squirmy, too. i started looking for your post the second i read the first one. you never let me down.
thank you for always defending TC from those that treated him unfairly compared to previously coaches that left...wondering why you don't do the same for buzz?
I don't ALWAYS defend him, how is calling him a prick, a jerk, squirmy at times defending him? You are like Lenny...always, never, forever...lazy quite frankly.
I'll defend Buzz when he needs defending. What was actually more predictable was someone claiming something nefarious was going on which is why I asked the question, was he granted his release. Turns out, he was. Go figure. No one here knows if a conversation was had yesterday between MU, IU, UVA, etc. No one knows, but that is where certain people took it anyway.
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It happens all the time at every high major school in every sport. You don't perform, you lose your scholarship. You're an investment and if you're not working out you get cut.
Who has Marquette cut in the last 5 years? And if we are cutting players who don't perform, I think Derrick and Juan should have gotten their pink slips already.
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Short term sacrifices for long term gains. It's amazing that you think we will just go out and grab any 2014 recruit just because we have an opening. We can't just go to the good player tree and pick one off. There is virtually nobody left unsigned, unless you would like a D2 caliber player filling our open spots. I vote a graduate assistant or bust! It's not like we can just cut the guy we signed the following year.
First, its EXACTLY like that. You bring in the best guy you can this year with the 13th scholarship. If he doesn't pan out, he transfers to another program more aligned with his skills. BTW, that goes for anyone on the team--even former top 100 players wind up leaving their teams after a year if they don't perform.
And its a win-win proposition. Team fills a spot on the roster and gets insurance against injury, an extra practice player, and if they win the lottery the player turns into a star. Meanwhile, the player gets a shot to prove himself at a high-major level.
Second, we are hardly at a point where there are no D1 players left. There may be very few top 100 players available, but we're not talking about our first scholarship--we're talking about the 12th or 13th man on the roster. And we're not competing for D2 players--we're competing for those D1 level players who might otherwise wind up at UWM or UWGB or Wright State or Valpo or Ball State--but would die for a shot at a role at Marquette.
Those players know a prominent role at MU is a long shot for them--but they also know they'd rather take that chance and fail than to never have the chance at all and spend the rest of their lives regretting it. Worst case they transfer to UWM, UWGB, Valpo, etc. after a year.
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From the Calipari Thread:
"As opposed to the "responsible" middle aged people who are even bigger prima donna's? Please...Just look at scoop." - Chitownwarrior2011
"So you're advocating for the 2 wrongs make a right model?" - ChicosBailBonds
From this thread:
"Seriously, Crean can do this? The NCAA allows it? Based on this alone, I wouldn't release him. If another school interferes like this with a player who hasn't even asked for a release from his LOI, don't let him go." - LLittleMurs
"You think the Buzzard hasn't offered these kids an offer...of course he has." - ChicosBailBonds
Pot meet Kettle
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First, its EXACTLY like that. You bring in the best guy you can this year with the 13th scholarship. If he doesn't pan out, he transfers to another program more aligned with his skills. BTW, that goes for anyone on the team--even former top 100 players wind up leaving their teams after a year if they don't perform.
And its a win-win proposition. Team fills a spot on the roster and gets insurance against injury, an extra practice player, and if they win the lottery the player turns into a star. Meanwhile, the player gets a shot to prove himself at a high-major level.
Second, we are hardly at a point where there are no D1 players left. There may be very few top 100 players available, but we're not talking about our first scholarship--we're talking about the 12th or 13th man on the roster. And we're not competing for D2 players--we're competing for those D1 level players who might otherwise wind up at UWM or UWGB or Wright State or Valpo or Ball State--but would die for a shot at a role at Marquette.
Those players know a prominent role at MU is a long shot for them--but they also know they'd rather take that chance and fail than to never have the chance at all and spend the rest of their lives regretting it. Worst case they transfer to UWM, UWGB, Valpo, etc. after a year.
So what happens when the kid doesn't want to transfer and is content being the 13th man? Seems like it could be a pretty sticky situation if you get the wrong kind of kid.
Also, there are barely any top 200 recruits left. You can spin it however you want, but there is not much unsigned talent left. It is pretty crappy if you go into recruiting someone and know that you are going to want them to transfer after a year. Keep the scholarships open unless you find a good fit. If you are worried about practice bodies, bring in a couple of walk ons.
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I don't ALWAYS defend him, how is calling him a prick, a jerk, squirmy at times defending him? You are like Lenny...always, never, forever...lazy quite frankly.
I'll defend Buzz when he needs defending. What was actually more predictable was someone claiming something nefarious was going on which is why I asked the question, was he granted his release. Turns out, he was. Go figure. No one here knows if a conversation was had yesterday between MU, IU, UVA, etc. No one knows, but that is where certain people took it anyway.
you always defend TC...and you know what that means...poor argument.
as far as defending buzz when he needs defending, that's never...same with TC...
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So what happens when the kid doesn't want to transfer and is content being the 13th man? Seems like it could be a pretty sticky situation if you get the wrong kind of kid.
You don't extend him a scholarship the next year.
It's a common misconception that being on the team one year guarantee's one a spot on the team the following year. Athletic scholarships are 1 year and 1 year only. The school is not obligated to renew a player's scholarship.
So yes, you should fill all 13 schollies every year. If you need an extra one the following season, you cut the worst player on your team and give it to the player you want.
It may seem harsh but as someone else said, you've got to earn your scholarships. If you aren't cutting it on the court, you will lose it. Just like you will lose an academic scholarship if you aren't cutting it in the classroom.
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And its a win-win proposition. Team fills a spot on the roster and gets insurance against injury, an extra practice player, and if they win the lottery the player turns into a star. Meanwhile, the player gets a shot to prove himself at a high-major level.
Well, it's not totally a win-win for the transferring player because of the rule mandating that transfers must sit out a year.
Yes, even when the institution doesn't really want the student -- because while he's good enough to be the 13th man he isn't good enough to make a difference, so the coach nudges the student out -- the kid STILL has to sit out a year.
If I'm the Northwestern union folks or anybody else gunning for college sports reform, the transfer rule is one of the first things I try to get changed.
Coaches can go from program to program like so many flies on you-know-what; not only aren't they punished but they usually get rewarded. But let a player try to better himself -- even at the request of the school he's leaving -- and he gets screwed.
Hell, there are even dopes who want to change the rule permitting grad students from being able to play immediately after transferring. Because apparently we hate to give the student -- even a kid smart enough to earn his/her degree in 3 years -- one freakin' advantage!
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If Brent was still here, I could see Shayok falling into the Erik Williams, Jamail Jones, Jamal Ferguson category. Now we'll never know how he would've turned out under Wojo. At this moment we need bigs. Jon Horford would be a perfect fit for what we need, but haven't seen anywhere that he's listed any schools he's interested in. One day at a time.
well, ummmmmmm, I'm sure that depends on what school has the graduate program that he's interested in, right? Not about basketball, all about the education
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You don't extend him a scholarship the next year.
It's a common misconception that being on the team one year guarantee's one a spot on the team the following year. Athletic scholarships are 1 year and 1 year only. The school is not obligated to renew a player's scholarship.
So yes, you should fill all 13 schollies every year. If you need an extra one the following season, you cut the worst player on your team and give it to the player you want.
It may seem harsh but as someone else said, you've got to earn your scholarships. If you aren't cutting it on the court, you will lose it. Just like you will lose an academic scholarship if you aren't cutting it in the classroom.
I understand the logic, it just seems that everyone just expects that some kid will be happy coming here for a year and be on his way. Some kids would be happy being the 13th man on Marquette and wouldn't want to transfer. Probably lots of the recruits who are unsigned right now. Can you tell me when Marquette has not renewed someone's scholarship?
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You don't extend him a scholarship the next year.
It's a common misconception that being on the team one year guarantee's one a spot on the team the following year. Athletic scholarships are 1 year and 1 year only. The school is not obligated to renew a player's scholarship.
So yes, you should fill all 13 schollies every year. If you need an extra one the following season, you cut the worst player on your team and give it to the player you want.
It may seem harsh but as someone else said, you've got to earn your scholarships. If you aren't cutting it on the court, you will lose it. Just like you will lose an academic scholarship if you aren't cutting it in the classroom.
With the number of kids that are transferring after the first semester, you keep the extra ship available unless WOJO is very confident that player coming in now, has a good chance to produce.
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Well, it's not totally a win-win for the transferring player because of the rule mandating that transfers must sit out a year.
First, so what? Realy, so what? He knows what happens in the transfer situation BEFORE he comes to MU, so sitting out is not a bad thing for the transferring player. It's part of his risk/reward analysis.
Second, did you consider that sitting out a year actually helps the player? A redshirt year to develop, work with the new schools' coaching staff, take extra classes. Maybe even get a masters at the new school because you'll get five years of college paid-for instead of only four.
Look at this pragmatically for a moment: His choices prior to choosing a college are:
a) settle for a low major program from the get-go, with low probability the coach won't renew his scholarship.
b) take a shot at the big time with Marquette, knowing that if you don't pan out you're going to be asked to transfer, (which you know up front means sitting out a year).
You make it sound like this is going to be sprung on the kid as some sort of surprise and he'll be terribly harmed by the transfer year.
The fact of the matter is that the player completely understands this risk going in. Maybe you're just risk averse, but some players are willing to take that risk becuase the rewards are so great--and that's the type of player we'd want to sign anyway.
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I understand the logic, it just seems that everyone just expects that some kid will be happy coming here for a year and be on his way. Some kids would be happy being the 13th man on Marquette and wouldn't want to transfer. Probably lots of the recruits who are unsigned right now. Can you tell me when Marquette has not renewed someone's scholarship?
The recruits we are talking about would not be happy being 13th man on any roster for their second year with a team. 99% of them would rather be playing elsewhere than be in that scenario.
Your entire argument at this point is simply conjecture of worst case scenarios. You play the odds... it's in the best interest to fill all your scholarships considering the fluidity of rosters in college basketball. It's a completely +EV strategy. The recruits at this level understand it as well.
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First, so what? Realy, so what? He knows what happens in the transfer situation BEFORE he comes to MU, so sitting out is not a bad thing for the transferring player. It's part of his risk/reward analysis.
Second, did you consider that sitting out a year actually helps the player? A redshirt year to develop, work with the new schools' coaching staff, take extra classes. Maybe even get a masters at the new school because you'll get five years of college paid-for instead of only four.
Look at this pragmatically for a moment: His choices prior to choosing a college are:
a) settle for a low major program from the get-go, with low probability the coach won't renew his scholarship.
b) take a shot at the big time with Marquette, knowing that if you don't pan out you're going to be asked to transfer, (which you know up front means sitting out a year).
You make it sound like this is going to be sprung on the kid as some sort of surprise and he'll be terribly harmed by the transfer year.
The fact of the matter is that the player completely understands this risk going in. Maybe you're just risk averse, but some players are willing to take that risk becuase the rewards are so great--and that's the type of player we'd want to sign anyway.
Down, boy! I agree with some of what you are saying.
I just think the rule is an inherently unfair one, in part because it punishes the student even if he wants to stay but is nudged out by the school itself. You don't think it's unfair because the kid knows about the rule going in -- although I doubt that going in, the kid is told that he might end up being the nudgee.
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If I'm the Northwestern union folks or anybody else gunning for college sports reform, the transfer rule is one of the first things I try to get changed.
And this is the problem with the union. They hurt employment for the people they pruport to help.
The union wants no transfers? Fine, the school simply won't take the risk.
That means the kid that MIGHT have been marginally good enough to get a chance for one year with an open scholarship at a school like MU will instead never even get that option to even try to prove himself. He'll have to settle for some low major program.
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And this is the problem with the union. They hurt employment for the people they pruport to help.
The union wants no transfers? Fine, the school simply won't take the risk.
That means the kid that MIGHT have been marginally good enough to get a chance for one year with an open scholarship at a school like MU will instead never even get that option to even try to prove himself. He'll have to settle for some low major program.
MU has to fill their roster with somebody though? MU and others will still have to take those chances.
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The recruits we are talking about would not be happy being 13th man on any roster for their second year with a team. 99% of them would rather be playing elsewhere than be in that scenario.
Your entire argument at this point is simply conjecture of worst case scenarios. You play the odds... it's in the best interest to fill all your scholarships considering the fluidity of rosters in college basketball. It's a completely +EV strategy. The recruits at this level understand it as well.
The recruits that are out there will not be getting off our bench. There are probably less than 8 players out there that are unsigned and could potentially offer us anything next year. So they would come here knowing they won't play and will sit out a whole season after that for what? To say they were on Marquette for 1 year. We are not college basketball royalty and to think kids are just lining up for the chance to play for us for a year, before transferring elsewhere is absurd. Why grab a low level recruit when he won't play the first year? JJJ was a top 40 recruit who played sparingly and we are gonna pluck some kid ranked in the 300's because we have an open scholarship??
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The recruits that are out there will not be getting off our bench.
This is where your argument goes off the tracks. In today's world, you never know. Injuries/transfers open up opportunities where a less-heralded recruit can blossom under the spotlight. They are at an age where there is a lot of potential.
Also, no one said anything about plucking a kid ranked in the 300's.
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This is where your argument goes off the tracks. In today's world, you never know. Injuries/transfers open up opportunities where a less-heralded recruit can blossom under the spotlight. They are at an age where there is a lot of potential.
Also, no one said anything about plucking a kid ranked in the 300's.
Sorry, most likely not getting off the bench. Take a look at the recruiting boards, there are 6 players in the top 200 that are unsigned. Where do you plan on getting these recruits? There is a reason why coaching changes suck and this is one of them. We are at the mercy of our recruits to fulfill their commitments, because there is nobody worthwhile signing to fill out our roster.
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From the Calipari Thread:
"As opposed to the "responsible" middle aged people who are even bigger prima donna's? Please...Just look at scoop." - Chitownwarrior2011
"So you're advocating for the 2 wrongs make a right model?" - ChicosBailBonds
From this thread:
"Seriously, Crean can do this? The NCAA allows it? Based on this alone, I wouldn't release him. If another school interferes like this with a player who hasn't even asked for a release from his LOI, don't let him go." - LLittleMurs
"You think the Buzzard hasn't offered these kids an offer...of course he has." - ChicosBailBonds
Pot meet Kettle
LOL. Show me where I'm condoning it? I am not. I asked (that's what a "?" is for) Chitown if he condones a two wrongs make it right model.
Secondly, show me with my Buzzard comment where I condone that action....
I didn't.
Try again
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you always defend TC...and you know what that means...poor argument.
as far as defending buzz when he needs defending, that's never...same with TC...
Doubling down on stupidity and falsehoods....congratulations
I've never defended Buzz....wrong. I've always defended TC...wrong.
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Sorry, most likely not getting off the bench. Take a look at the recruiting boards, there are 6 players in the top 200 that are unsigned. Where do you plan on getting these recruits? There is a reason why coaching changes suck and this is one of them. We are at the mercy of our recruits to fulfill their commitments, because there is nobody worthwhile signing to fill out our roster.
The worst recruit we could land this year is far superior than the empty chair we have if we don't fill it.
The empty chair
--won't ever be able to go into a game if we're hampered by multiple injuries and fouls.
--won't ever be part of the practice squad for scrimmages
--has absolutely zero possiblity of ever developing into a solid player.
Look at it this way: The type of player we might get now is equivalent to Amal McCaskill or Yous Mbao their senior years in HS.
You'd rather bank a scholarship and pass on any possiblity of landing another McCaskill.
I'm willing to take a few Mbaos becuase every so often you land a McCaskill.
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The worst recruit we could land this year is far superior than the empty chair we have if we don't fill it.
The empty chair
--won't ever be able to go into a game if we're hampered by multiple injuries and fouls.
--won't ever be part of the practice squad for scrimmages
--has absolutely zero possiblity of ever developing into a solid player.
Look at it this way: The type of player we might get now is equivalent to Amal McCaskill or Yous Mbao their senior years in HS.
You'd rather bank a scholarship and pass on any possiblity of landing another McCaskill.
I'm willing to take a few Mbaos becuase every so often you land a McCaskill.
Honestly, I would rather bank the scholarship and avoid the Durleys and Mbaos of the basketball world. It's like finding a needle in a haystack at this point of the recruiting juncture and to waste resources on someone who will most likely not impact the team and leave after a year, is not worth it in my eyes. To each their own, we will see how it plays out.
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I am dissappointed that Shayok is not coming. People here who think it is not a loss should realize he is going to end up a a major program.
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I am dissappointed that Shayok is not coming. People here who think it is not a loss should realize he is going to end up a a major program.
This post is inexcusable! How dare you post something on-topic!
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I understand the logic, it just seems that everyone just expects that some kid will be happy coming here for a year and be on his way. Some kids would be happy being the 13th man on Marquette and wouldn't want to transfer. Probably lots of the recruits who are unsigned right now. Can you tell me when Marquette has not renewed someone's scholarship?
No one expects that the kid will be happy. It's cold but it's true. I would rather have a 2 star player who may turn into something but will probably be bad than an empty schollie, which is automatically less than bad.
Hell, John Dawson was outside the top 150, maybe even the top 200. He was certainly way below his fellow players in the 2013 recruiting class. I didn't think he would sniff the floor this year. But Vander goes pro, Duane gets injured, and boom, Dawson is getting 10 minutes a game.
As for examples, I'm not privy to that information. But do you really think Buzz would have kept Jamal Ferguson if he wanted to stay? Not when he needs his scholie for Jajuan Johnson.
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No one expects that the kid will be happy. It's cold but it's true. I would rather have a 2 star player who may turn into something but will probably be bad than an empty schollie, which is automatically less than bad.
Hell, John Dawson was outside the top 150, maybe even the top 200. He was certainly way below his fellow players in the 2013 recruiting class. I didn't think he would sniff the floor this year. But Vander goes pro, Duane gets injured, and boom, Dawson is getting 10 minutes a game.
As for examples, I'm not privy to that information. But do you really think Buzz would have kept Jamal Ferguson if he wanted to stay? Not when he needs his scholie for Jajuan Johnson.
If he wanted to stay, I guess I would have expected Brent to keep him. It just seems like shady business to me. I would think that Jake would have lost his scholarship, or we would have let Juan walk to make room for JJJ. You don't turn down a top 40 guy.
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Don't forget how far behind Wojo is. It isn't as though these "better players" are just sitting out there undiscovered. They have been recruited by other schools for at least the last year and built relationships with coaches, whereas Wojo is coming in fresh. That isn't to say he can't make inroads, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that these better players are going to come. His first real recruiting class for MU is going to be the class of 2016. Our best hope for impact players early in his tenure outside of current recruits are going to be JUCOs and transfers because they are entering the market green to everyone.
I may be wrong, but I thought that Wojo was employed as a college coach somewhere prior to getting the HC job at Marquette. If so, he just might surprise you with some relationships. Maybe, even at Duke they adhere to the "always be recruiting" mantra.
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We desperately need immediate frontline help and Pierce isn't likely to provide it. Hope he opts out, too. Wojo has a lot to sell graduate students like Desmond Simmons and Jon Horford.
At this point, there is no reason to believe that that might not also be true in a couple of years at which time a Pierce who has been developed for a couple of years might be the perfect answer. Or we could just go with a freshman project big man at that time who won't be able to contribute much.
It amazes me how quickly posters will toss under the bus recruits that the school just fought a tooth and nail recruiting battle for. Even with Wojo, I doubt that Marquette is getting the Embiids away from the likes of Kansas. So we'd better be willing to develop some big men if we ever want to get away from playing 6'6" guys there because that's all we have.
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Absolutely. There is no downside, and plenty of upside.
The upside is that if the kid blows up, he'll be a solid, four-year contributor.
The upside is that if you are hampered with injuries, you still have some bench depth.
The upside is that you have enough players to hold scrimmages, even if you're down a player or two becuase of illness, injury, etc.
The only downside is that the player doesn't show potential, he'll transfer at year's end.
Of course, that means you can still get that better player next year.
And, please, nobody moralize on how unfair this is. Both players and coaches know this arragement going into the season. Player at least gets a shot at playing for Marquette instead of settling for something like UWM or Loyola. Scholarships are one-year deals. You have to perform to keep it. BTW, this is the same for any other student--don't maintain your grades, you lose an academic scholarship as well.
If you "bank" the scholarship, the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that you'll get absolutely zero production from that scholarship for the year. No depth in case of injury. No player to use in practice scrimmages. No possiblity that the player develops into a solid performer.
I'll take a player over an empty seat any day.
Actually, the only downside is that the player doesn't show potential,and he doesn't transfer at year's end. Of course, Marquette can drop guys off scholarship and get the reputation of a school that churns guys through its program. Of course, that makes getting the better player the next year that much harder. Louisville has the record of success to pull that off. Marquette doesn't.
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It happens all the time at every high major school in every sport. You don't perform, you lose your scholarship. You're an investment and if you're not working out you get cut.
And your school gets a reputation as a place that doesn't take care of its recruits. And then you have that stigma to get past just to get to the same level as everyone else who is recruiting a kid. Good luck, you've taken the merely extremely difficult job of recruiting and made it nearly impossible.
Bottom line, you can be as blase as you want. You don't have to actually recruit and answer the parent's questions. And the parents will have those questions because every other coach recruiting their kid will mention Marquette as a place that churns through recruits and as no commitment its recruits to those parents.
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LOL. Show me where I'm condoning it? I am not. I asked (that's what a "?" is for) Chitown if he condones a two wrongs make it right model.
Secondly, show me with my Buzzard comment where I condone that action....
I didn't.
Try again
I never said you condoned it. Chitown also never condoned the behavior of prima donna athletes but you clearly insinuated that he did by your "two wrongs make a right comment". I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of that.
Now, this is where you will fall back on the "I just asked a question" defense. So apparently you can say anything about anyone as long as you phrase it as a question. Let's see...
So Chicos is a Satan worshiper?
You're right, this is fun.
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@AdamZagoria: Marial Shayok's dad tells @SNYtv no schools have contacted him or his son yet after getting a release from Marquette.
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@AdamZagoria: Marial Shayok's dad tells @SNYtv no schools have contacted him or his son yet after getting a release from Marquette.
Well someone's lying then ;D. Shayok will not be missed. Switchable with no shot. Strictly a Brent player.
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Yeah, I'm not too upset over this. When I hear he's a "glue guy"...I immediately think "no offensive game."
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Notre Dame, Michigan, Indiana & Virginia all expressed interest today.
I personally would like Super Marial @ MU
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Notre Dame, Michigan, Indiana & Virginia all expressed interest today.
I personally would like Super Marial @ MU
Hasn't stepped foot on a college court yet and he's already "Super Marial"? Wow.
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Hasn't stepped foot on a college court yet and he's already "Super Marial"? Wow.
I believe that's his twitter handle. I don't follow him, but I saw it in another tweet recently.
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I believe that's his twitter handle. I don't follow him, but I saw it in another tweet recently.
it is his twitter.
at first I thought we were recruiting Ammo's brother.
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Shayok doesnt fit into Wojo's plans. Im ok with that. The kid isnt THAT good!
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it is his twitter.
at first I thought we were recruiting Ammo's brother.
You messin' around with your twitter again?
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Shayok doesnt fit into Wojo's plans. Im ok with that. The kid isnt THAT good!
First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?
Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?
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And your school gets a reputation as a place that doesn't take care of its recruits. And then you have that stigma to get past just to get to the same level as everyone else who is recruiting a kid. Good luck, you've taken the merely extremely difficult job of recruiting and made it nearly impossible.
Bottom line, you can be as blase as you want. You don't have to actually recruit and answer the parent's questions. And the parents will have those questions because every other coach recruiting their kid will mention Marquette as a place that churns through recruits and as no commitment its recruits to those parents.
Really? Haven't we just supposedly had the two best back-to-back recruiting years since Al?
And we have a recent history of not just not inviting kids back after their first season, but actually inviting them to leave before their first day of freshman year! Are you serious in your suggestion that we now have a "stigma" that makes it "nearly impossible" for anyone to recruit to Marquette?
JJJ, Burton, and Duane Wilson had no qualms over committing to our stigmatized program, even though we didn't give four years of scholarships to Mbao or Roseboro or Durley, or Jamail Jones or Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson.
And apparentlty, their parents didn't have any qualms either, since a parent's signature is required on the letter of intent.
So where on earth does this objection come from, because its certainly not Marquette's history.
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Hasn't stepped foot on a college court yet and he's already "Super Marial"? Wow.
Haha how dare I use his nickname. Gotta love the scoop
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I never said you condoned it. Chitown also never condoned the behavior of prima donna athletes but you clearly insinuated that he did by your "two wrongs make a right comment". I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of that.
Now, this is where you will fall back on the "I just asked a question" defense. So apparently you can say anything about anyone as long as you phrase it as a question. Let's see...
So Chicos is a Satan worshiper?
You're right, this is fun.
Punctuation means something, that's why we have it so that questions are not construed as comments.
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Well someone's lying then ;D. Shayok will not be missed. Switchable with no shot. Strictly a Brent player.
Didn't anyone learn not to trust the crap on twitter in the last few weeks?
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Really? Haven't we just supposedly had the two best back-to-back recruiting years since Al?
And we have a recent history of not just not inviting kids back after their first season, but actually inviting them to leave before their first day of freshman year! Are you serious in your suggestion that we now have a "stigma" that makes it "nearly impossible" for anyone to recruit to Marquette?
JJJ, Burton, and Duane Wilson had no qualms over committing to our stigmatized program, even though we didn't give four years of scholarships to Mbao or Roseboro or Durley, or Jamail Jones or Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson.
And apparentlty, their parents didn't have any qualms either, since a parent's signature is required on the letter of intent.
So where on earth does this objection come from, because its certainly not Marquette's history.
You're correct about Mbao, and Durley. You could add Newbill to the list. Only Mbao was the only one "cut" after just a year at Marquette. Not taking Newbill and Durley after they signed LOI's was worse. I've never heard that any of Roseboro, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson left except by their own choice. None of these guys was taken with the expectation of "We'll need the scholarship next year, but that's okay will just cut them, unless, of course, they surprise, then we'll cut somebody else."
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I would be happy to see this scholarship used on Jon Horford. Then Wojo has more to work with in 2015
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You're correct about Mbao, and Durley. You could add Newbill to the list. Only Mbao was the only one "cut" after just a year at Marquette. Not taking Newbill and Durley after they signed LOI's was worse. I've never heard that any of Roseboro, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson left except by their own choice. None of these guys was taken with the expectation of "We'll need the scholarship next year, but that's okay will just cut them, unless, of course, they surprise, then we'll cut somebody else."
Well, let's just say several of those guys were given essentially no choice and it became "their" choice. It happens, certainly not exclusive to Buzz or Crean, but those two have done plenty of it.
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Why not shut this thread down? He's not coming. We don't want him. buzz can have him.
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Why not shut this thread down? He's not coming. We don't want him. buzz can have him.
Why do people act like this? "We don't want him." Who is we? Clearly Wojo was very interested. I'm willing to bet more fans take him than not. Just because you're upset he's changed his mind doesn't mean we don't want him. Marial seems like a great talent with a lot of potential. I have no animosity if he goes elsewhere, and I don't think it's going to be in Blacksburg.
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Contrary to everyone's beliefs, NO schools have contacted Shayok since his release per his Dad
No I am NOT the source
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Contrary to everyone's beliefs, NO schools have contacted Shayok since his release per his Dad
No I am NOT the source
I heard this too. Also to respond the post before this one I wouldnt say that I did not want Marial but I dont think he is that good and really dont think Wojo was really that interested. Im not gonna bash the kid but its really not that big of a loss. Wasnt that high on him when we first recruited him.
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I heard this too. Also to respond the post before this one I wouldnt say that I did not want Marial but I dont think he is that good and really dont think Wojo was really that interested. Im not gonna bash the kid but its really not that big of a loss. Wasnt that high on him when we first recruited him.
Im with you on that. I thought he wasn't that good either.
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Contrary to everyone's beliefs, NO schools have contacted Shayok since his release per his Dad
No I am NOT the source
Right, they just contacted his coach.
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Right, they just contacted his coach.
You believe the coach over the dad? Ok
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You believe the coach over the dad? Ok
If you think schools haven't found a way to contact Shayock via his coach, you are truly naive.
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If you think schools haven't found a way to contact Shayock via his coach, you are truly naive.
You're naive for thinking his dad wouldn't be in the know
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Im with you on that. I thought he wasn't that good either.
Asked these to you once and you ducked. I'll ask both again:
First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?
Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?
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Why do people act like this? "We don't want him." Who is we? Clearly Wojo was very interested. I'm willing to bet more fans take him than not. Just because you're upset he's changed his mind doesn't mean we don't want him. Marial seems like a great talent with a lot of potential. I have no animosity if he goes elsewhere, and I don't think it's going to be in Blacksburg.
Nothing that I have seen made me think Wojo was very interested in him. What makes you say this?
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Nothing that I have seen made me think Wojo was very interested in him. What makes you say this?
What have you seen or heard that would make you think that Wojo is not interested in him?
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What have you seen or heard that would make you think that Wojo is not interested in him?
He said clearly very interested in him...I was asking why he thought this. I haven't seen anything saying he talked to him, or went to visit him so I was curious.
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You're naive for thinking his dad wouldn't be in the know
Of course the dad is in the know, he's just being very specific in his comments that "he" (as opposed to the coach or someone else connected with Marial) hasn't been contacted.
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He said clearly very interested in him...I was asking why he thought this. I haven't seen anything saying he talked to him, or went to visit him so I was curious.
Btw, do you live in Wisconsin or Georgia?
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Btw, do you live in Wisconsin or Georgia?
I live in Wisconsin. I have family that lives in Augusta and am down there often.
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I did some research on Marial this weekend. Heard a lot of good things about him. Comes from a successful basketball family. A mature kid who I think will be able to make the transition to college play. Lets hope that Wojo can bring him back in the fold.
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I did some research on Marial this weekend. Heard a lot of good things about him. Comes from a successful basketball family. A mature kid who I think will be able to make the transition to college play. Lets hope that Wojo can bring him back in the fold.
I dont want him
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I did some research on Marial this weekend. Heard a lot of good things about him. Comes from a successful basketball family. A mature kid who I think will be able to make the transition to college play. Lets hope that Wojo can bring him back in the fold.
This is the kind of guy that would probably be a good glue guy ala Joe Chapman.
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Let's see, an athletic 6'6 defensive minded wing. I hope Wojo can re-land him.
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This is the kind of guy that would probably be a good glue guy ala Joe Chapman.
That's his floor. If he develops offensively, he could be a star.
I don't doubt for a second that Buzz used Jimmy Butler's success as a major selling point when he recruited Marial to MU.
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That's his floor. If he develops offensively, he could be a star.
I don't doubt for a second that Buzz used Jimmy Butler's success as a major selling point when he recruited Marial to MU.
He should go to VA TECH..this kid has Juan Anderson written all over him. I WANT OFFENSE
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I live in Wisconsin. I have family that lives in Augusta and am down there often.
Quite fortunate then to see two of our recruits so often in wildly diverse locations.
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He should go to VA TECH..this kid has Juan Anderson written all over him. I WANT OFFENSE
Still ducking my questions, huh? I'll keep asking:
First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?
Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?
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He should go to VA TECH..this kid has Juan Anderson written all over him. I WANT OFFENSE
So who is the offensive powerhouse waiting to take Shayok's scholarship at MU? Do you think WOJO has a line of top 50 recruits outside the Al?
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So who is the offensive powerhouse waiting to take Shayok's scholarship at MU? Do you think WOJO has a line of top 50 recruits outside the Al?
Wojo has something up his sleeves. Im glad its not Shayok!
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Other than a 1 year rental (Horford), there is no uncommitted players out there that I would prefer to Shayok. However, I am willing to wait and see what happens in the coaching changes/decommits category. And if everyone thought he was no good, there wouldn't be so many teams reportedly interested in him.
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Wojo has something up his sleeves. Im glad its not Shayok!
Third time's a charm?
First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?
Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?
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Third time's a charm?
First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?
Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?
You're clearly not going to get a response, or at least the response you are looking for. Let it go.
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Third time's a charm?
First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?
Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?
Ill take a stab. No I do not know Wojo's immediate plans when it comes to recruits but from the sound of it he wants more shooters.
Yes I have seen Shayok play and was not impressed. The only reason he was better then everybody else because he was more athletic. Couldnt shoot, all he did was slash the basket and finish over guys who were much smaller then him. This is why I was not personally thrilled with Shayok which is why I have personally said not a big loss. The athletes and competition will catch up to him and hes not nearly as strong or athletic as Deonte and is barely 6'5".
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Let's see, an athletic 6'6 defensive minded wing. I hope Wojo can re-land him.
If Wojo does get him, I'll bet that he plays inside for his freshman year, at least. That's where we'll need him for next year, and supposedly he's got a body that can handle the four spot.
When Marquette was trying to get Goodluck "O" whatever, I remember that the YouTube video of Goodluck was against Shayok's team, and Marial covered Goodluck and did well against him.
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You're clearly not going to get a response, or at least the response you are looking for. Let it go.
I'm glad that Golden Avalanche is pointing out the obvious to everyone (except evidently WadeATKBurton).
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On one of IWB's radio shows a couple of weeks ago, there was a lot of discussion about how badly Wojo wanted Shayok and the effort he was putting into a recommit. (I know the mere mention of this source will evoke great scorn, but the guy has overall been very reliable). Didn't work out and I'm sure our staff is disappointed. To think that there are many better options out there for '14 at this late date is pretty delusional.
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On one of IWB's radio shows a couple of weeks ago, there was a lot of discussion about how badly Wojo wanted Shayok and the effort he was putting into a recommit. (I know the mere mention of this source will evoke great scorn, but the guy has overall been very reliable). Didn't work out and I'm sure our staff is disappointed. To think that there are many better options out there for '14 at this late date is pretty delusional.
But WadeATKBurton wants offense!!! Has no one let WOJO know?!
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You're clearly not going to get a response, or at least the response you are looking for. Let it go.
With it the slow season and this board nothing more than crap I just wanted to ask a fellow member a couple of questions about his strong beliefs surrounding Shayok (and Wojo's plans without Shayok) so he could illuminate how he came to that point.
I figured he'd duck the first time but will say I'm impressed with his balls to keep posting in the same thread whilst still ducking. Course, could have something to do with his multiple screen names.
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Even if that "atk" weirdo ducks everything there is still good knowledge on Shayok. Notably, Beilein and his Canadian connection getting involved now that Stauskas has officially declared.