http://www.gobblercountry.com/2014/4/3/5580292/virginia-tech-hokies-basketball-buzz-williams-radio-interview-tim-brando
"They discussed the news out of Marquette, with the hiring of Wojo. Buzz says, 'Wojo is a stud.' Compared Coach K's status to John Wooden's and says the pedigree will validate Wojo. Says the kids at Marquette will be great and do everything he asks. He's very happy for Wojo, and will congratulate him this weekend in Dallas."
Of course, Wojo already said he'll be forgoing Dallas to spend that time with the players building his relationship with them, as that's his #1 priority. So he may have to wait a bit for the congratulations from Buzz.
Quote from: Ganzer's Source on April 04, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
http://www.gobblercountry.com/2014/4/3/5580292/virginia-tech-hokies-basketball-buzz-williams-radio-interview-tim-brando
"They discussed the news out of Marquette, with the hiring of Wojo. Buzz says, 'Wojo is a stud.' Compared Coach K's status to John Wooden's and says the pedigree will validate Wojo. Says the kids at Marquette will be great and do everything he asks. He's very happy for Wojo, and will congratulate him this weekend in Dallas."
Of course, Wojo already said he'll be forgoing Dallas to spend that time with the players building his relationship with them, as that's his #1 priority. So he may have to wait a bit for the congratulations from Buzz.
I could give a rat's ass. I'd prefer he not opine on anything MU does from the time of his departure on.
alright, that's cool.
i've moved on. VERY excited for Wojo and the changes that will come.
Season can't start soon enough IMO.
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Quote from: windyplayer on April 04, 2014, 09:08:18 AM
I could give a rat's ass. I'd prefer he not opine on anything MU does from the time of his departure on.
As long as it's analyzing our matchup from the CBS studio with Gumbel, Chuck, and Kenny Smith on the first and second days of the tournament from next year on I think I'm fine with it.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 04, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
As long as it's analyzing our matchup from the CBS studio with Gumbel, Chuck, and Kenny Smith on the first and second days of the tournament from next year on I think I'm fine with it.
Well, obviously.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 04, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
As long as it's analyzing our matchup from the CBS studio with Gumbel, Chuck, and Kenny Smith on the first and second days of the tournament from next year on I think I'm fine with it.
Like Crean did a few years ago
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 04, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
As long as it's analyzing our matchup from the CBS studio with Gumbel, Chuck, and Kenny Smith on the first and second days of the tournament from next year on I think I'm fine with it.
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Only kidding - agree 100%
Quote from: Ganzer's Source on April 04, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
http://www.gobblercountry.com/2014/4/3/5580292/virginia-tech-hokies-basketball-buzz-williams-radio-interview-tim-brando
"They discussed the news out of Marquette, with the hiring of Wojo. Buzz says, 'Wojo is a stud.' Compared Coach K's status to John Wooden's and says the pedigree will validate Wojo. Says the kids at Marquette will be great and do everything he asks. He's very happy for Wojo, and will congratulate him this weekend in Dallas."
Of course, Wojo already said he'll be forgoing Dallas to spend that time with the players building his relationship with them, as that's his #1 priority. So he may have to wait a bit for the congratulations from Buzz.
This!! I was a Buzz slurper but this statement is VERY telling on priorities for Wojo & Buzz.
Quote from: windyplayer on April 04, 2014, 09:08:18 AM
I could give a rat's ass. I'd prefer he not opine on anything MU does from the time of his departure on.
agree totally.
Quote from: LastWarrior on April 04, 2014, 09:17:27 AM
This!! I was a Buzz slurper but this statement is VERY telling on priorities for Wojo & Buzz.
Thought the exact same thing
I actually do not think it would be the worst thing in the world for Buzz and Wojo to have some kind of dialog. The official story is that Buzz left of his own account. If I was Wojo I would operate under that assumption until Buzz told me otherwise which based on the egos involved I doubt that Buzz would ever do.
In my business we talk to competitors any chance we get. You do so carefully but many people will tell you a lot of good information. Knowing Buzz's propensity for 30 minute answers to questions there is no telling what Wojo might learn.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 04, 2014, 09:54:13 AM
I actually do not think it would be the worst thing in the world for Buzz and Wojo to have some kind of dialog. The official story is that Buzz left of his own account. If I was Wojo I would operate under that assumption until Buzz told me otherwise which based on the egos involved I doubt that Buzz would ever do.
In my business we talk to competitors any chance we get. You do so carefully but many people will tell you a lot of good information. Knowing Buzz's propensity for 30 minute answers to questions there is no telling what Wojo might learn.
I think Wojo has better things to do than listen to Bert's tale of overcoming adversity through sheer effort to rise above a hardscrabble life and become the man, husband, and father he is today
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 04, 2014, 09:54:13 AM
I actually do not think it would be the worst thing in the world for Buzz and Wojo to have some kind of dialog. The official story is that Buzz left of his own account. If I was Wojo I would operate under that assumption until Buzz told me otherwise which based on the egos involved I doubt that Buzz would ever do.
In my business we talk to competitors any chance we get. You do so carefully but many people will tell you a lot of good information. Knowing Buzz's propensity for 30 minute answers to questions there is no telling what Wojo might learn.
i wouldn't consider Va Tech to be a competitor in basketball... In any sense of the word.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 04, 2014, 09:54:13 AM
I actually do not think it would be the worst thing in the world for Buzz and Wojo to have some kind of dialog. The official story is that Buzz left of his own account. If I was Wojo I would operate under that assumption until Buzz told me otherwise which based on the egos involved I doubt that Buzz would ever do.
In my business we talk to competitors any chance we get. You do so carefully but many people will tell you a lot of good information. Knowing Buzz's propensity for 30 minute answers to questions there is no telling what Wojo might learn.
I don't see what Wojo could possibly learn from Brent that would be beneficial. I would much prefer Wojo have a fresh perspective on his team he is coaching...don't need Brent polluting his head at all.
Quote from: keefe on April 04, 2014, 10:11:18 AM
I think Wojo has better things to do than listen to Bert's tale of overcoming adversity through sheer effort to rise above a hardscrabble life and become the man, husband, and father he is today
True. But it might be really interesting to know how Buzz beleives the power structure in AAU ball in Chicago or NY or even Philly (where we had that
"unfortunate incident") views MU might be worth the time. What BE schools tend to have a pipeline into what programs.
There are 190 days to MU Madness spending an hour in one or two of those days is a pretty minor investment.
Quote from: Buzz'sBS on April 04, 2014, 10:35:29 AM
I don't see what Wojo could possibly learn from Brent that would be beneficial. I would much prefer Wojo have a fresh perspective on his team he is coaching...don't need Brent polluting his head at all.
+1 Brent comes from the Gillespie tree. Wojo from the Coach K tree.
Who can learn from who here
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 04, 2014, 10:35:51 AM
True. But it might be really interesting to know how Buzz beleives the power structure in AAU ball in Chicago or NY or even Philly (where we had that "unfortunate incident") views MU might be worth the time. What BE schools tend to have a pipeline into what programs.
There are 190 days to MU Madness spending an hour in one or two of those days is a pretty minor investment.
Couldn't Wainwright answer those questions?
I'm just glad fans don't have to go to a website called Gobbler Country to get any news about us.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 04, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
+1 Brent comes from the Gillespie tree. Wojo from the Coach K tree.
Who can learn from who here
Billie likely knows more about hangover cures than Mike
Bazz would just want to ask about Coach K looking for a match-up weakness
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 04, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
+1 Brent comes from the Gillespie tree. Wojo from the Coach K tree.
Who can learn from who here
Coach K's tree has many branches. Any of them have a record as good as Buzz's?
Quote from: keefe on April 04, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
Billie likely knows more about hangover cures than Mike
Man, he had a brutal record at Texas Tech (8-23, 1-17). That was an abolsutely horrendous hire on the Red Raiders' part.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Coach K's tree has many branches. Any of them have a record as good as Buzz's?
What are you including in the record...wins and losses or the entire enchilada?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Coach K's tree has many branches. Any of them have a record as good as Buzz's?
Yes, Mike Brey.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Coach K's tree has many branches. Any of them have a record as good as Buzz's?
Any of them walk into a situation like Williams did?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
Any of them walk into a situation like Williams did?
Not a chance. How many of them left to go to a turd program and take a pay cut? Not many of them either...there are reasons. Lenny just doesn't want to know about them. He's still smitten
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
Any of them walk into a situation like Williams did?
Coaching in the ACC at 2.4 million a year? No.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 04, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
Any of them walk into a situation like Williams did?
If you mean MU, the situation (according to even Buzz hater Chicos) was a cupboard so bare by year 2 that just making the tournament should result in Buzz being named National Coach of the Year. By year 3 there were no players left from the Crean era and we began a streak of three consecutive years playing into the second weekend of the tournament, something that happened just twice (once with TC, once with KO) in the previous 31 seasons.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
If you mean MU, the situation (according to even Buzz hater Chicos) was a cupboard so bare by year 2 that just making the tournament should result in Buzz being named National Coach of the Year. By year 3 there were no players left from the Crean era and we began a streak of three consecutive years playing into the second weekend of the tournament, something that happened just twice (once with TC, once with KO) in the previous 31 seasons.
Really? I thought when Buzz took over, there were a lot of good pieces. Junior College transfers helped smooth the gap left by Tyshawn Taylor and Mbakwe moving on. Had those two stayed, there's a good chance we may have even performed better. I'll give Buzz the utmost credit on the Junior College transfer front, but in terms of recruiting talent at the high school level, he suffered many lumps and bruises.
" Blah blah blah," Brent says between phone calls to committed Marquette recruits.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 10:54:43 AM
Coach K's tree has many branches. Any of them have a record as good as Buzz's?
Mike Brey .... .654 career win percentage
Brent Williams .... .635
Jeff Capel .... .614
Tommy Amaker .... .601 (he and Brent will have swapped places by this time next year)
Also worth noting that none of these guys walked into an environment as prepared for success (or as recently successful) as Brent.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 12:19:59 PM
Mike Brey .... .654 career win percentage
Brent Williams .... .635
Jeff Capel .... .614
Tommy Amaker .... .601 (he and Brent will have swapped placed by this time next year)
Also worth noting that none of these guys walked into an environment as prepared for success (or as recently successful) as Brent.
+1 The Three Amigos weren't walking through anyone else's door.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
If you mean MU, the situation (according to even Buzz hater Chicos) was a cupboard so bare by year 2 that just making the tournament should result in Buzz being named National Coach of the Year. By year 3 there were no players left from the Crean era and we began a streak of three consecutive years playing into the second weekend of the tournament, something that happened just twice (once with TC, once with KO) in the previous 31 seasons.
Lenny, I find myself agreeing with you most of the time, and I basically agree with you about Buzz, but please, for the love of all that's holy, let this go. There is no reason why anyone should take Chico's defending Crean mantle up with regards to Buzz.
I really hated wading through the Crean crap for the last 6 years and I really hope we can leave similar Buzz stuff behind, both bashing and defending him. Without question the performance on the court and recruiting raised a notch under Buzz. Maybe/probably the squirm factor did, too, and there were some strange coaching decisions last season, to say the least. Anyway, it doesn't matter because he is gone now.
I'd prefer to focus on what we are and what we are going to be, not what we were.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
If you mean MU, the situation (according to even Buzz hater Chicos) was a cupboard so bare by year 2 that just making the tournament should result in Buzz being named National Coach of the Year. By year 3 there were no players left from the Crean era and we began a streak of three consecutive years playing into the second weekend of the tournament, something that happened just twice (once with TC, once with KO) in the previous 31 seasons.
I disagree with Chico's about everything, except when I cite him as an authority!
The situation at MU involved more than just the returning players. We're talking facilities, private planes, huge recruiting budgets, tradition, academic support, fan support, compensation (both for head coach and assistants), etc. Marquette had - and still has - an environment conducive to success. Much more so than Notre Dame or Washington or Fairfield or Northwestern.
I don't see many people here disputing that Brent did a lot of great things at MU. He also did some not-so-great things, and his last season - from the way he orchestrated the AD's departure, to the atrocious, baffling coaching job, to the way he left and for whom - understandably leaves a sour taste in the mouths of those who ardently supported him for six years.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 12:19:59 PM
Mike Brey .... .654 career win percentage
Brent Williams .... .635
Jeff Capel .... .614
Tommy Amaker .... .601 (he and Brent will have swapped places by this time next year)
Also worth noting that none of these guys walked into an environment as prepared for success (or as recently successful) as Brent.
OOPDEE. Walked into that door.
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Sadly, had Buzz TRIED this season, rather than navel gaze and wallow in his self-created
malaise like a total beta male, he would have a better win %. Mentally checking out during the
season and actively sabotaging players' careers won't help, either, as well as his constant glad
handing and networking for other job opportunities, even s***ier ones. The man is a f***ing skeeze,
even by college coaching standards.
Like Paulie Walnuts, I imagine Lenny has a beautiful portrait of Brent, rather than Tony Soprano,
as Napoleon in his basement, sighing longingly at it. Worshipping a con artist, narcissist,
and sociopath, like Paulie.
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Quote from: lab_warrior on April 04, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
OOPDEE. Walked into that door.
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/carl-fall.gif)
Sadly, had Buzz TRIED this season, rather than navel gaze and wallow in his self-created
malaise like a total beta male, he would have a better win %. Mentally checking out during the
season and actively sabotaging players' careers won't help, either, as well as his constant glad
handing and networking for other job opportunities, even s***ier ones. The man is a f***ing skeeze,
even by college coaching standards.
Like Paulie Walnuts, I imagine Lenny has a beautiful portrait of Brent, rather than Tony Soprano,
as Napoleon in his basement, sighing longingly at it. Worshipping a con artist, narcissist,
and sociopath, like Paulie.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/27e8c16fa522a0f60a322d4e00f8f197/tumblr_mopou7AA8h1qz6f9yo1_1280.jpg)
Harsh. But excellent pull from the Sopranos.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 12:32:30 PM
I disagree with Chico's about everything, except when I cite him as an authority!
The situation at MU involved more than just the returning players. We're talking facilities, private planes, huge recruiting budgets, tradition, academic support, fan support, compensation (both for head coach and assistants), etc. Marquette had - and still has - an environment conducive to success. Much more so than Notre Dame or Washington or Fairfield or Northwestern.
I don't see many people here disputing that Brent did a lot of great things at MU. He also did some not-so-great things, and his last season - from the way he orchestrated the AD's departure, to the atrocious, baffling coaching job, to the way he left and for whom - understandably leaves a sour taste in the mouths of those who ardently supported him for six years.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
Well stated.
I would also add that in addition to MU's basketball facilities and resources being far greater than at the other schools you mentioned, the facilities and resources were far better at MU when Buzz took over than when TC or KO did. The program was in a shambles when KO walked through the door - in terms of players, national reputation, facilities - and he gave us a chance to be a player again. Things were better when TC walked in, but we still didn't have the AL, we were still in CUSA, and hadn't been to a Final Four in 22 years.
Buzz entered with the Amigos, the AL, and the best BB conference we've ever seen to support recruiting. And while things had slipped during the mid-part of the TC era, we were still only 5 years removed from the Final Four. In other words, we were already a serious player on the national landscape, something neither TC nor KO had.
Kudos to Buzz for what he did years 2-5...but he was FAR better set up for that success than either KO or TC were.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 12:19:59 PM
Mike Brey .... .654 career win percentage
Brent Williams .... .635
Jeff Capel .... .614
Tommy Amaker .... .601 (he and Brent will have swapped places by this time next year)
Also worth noting that none of these guys walked into an environment as prepared for success (or as recently successful) as Brent.
With apologies to CT, here are some additional stats omitted concerning the MOST SUCCESSFUL branches of the Coach K tree:
Mike Brey : One Sweet 16, Zero Elite 8s in 19 years.
Jeff Capel : One Elite 8 in 9 years.
Tommy Amaker : One Sweet 16, zero Elite 8s in 17 years.
Total: 45 years, two Sweet 16s, one Elite 8. Most of Brey's career at Notre Dame. Amaker was an abject failure at Michigan (not even one NCAA appearance in 6 years). Capel had one great season at Oklahoma and was then fired after two sub .500 ones (now a Duke assistant).
So Buzz in 7 years (6 at MU) has the same number of Sweet 16s and Elite 8s as the 3 best producing branches of the Coach K tree have in 45.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
With apologies to CT, here are some additional stats omitted concerning the MOST SUCCESSFUL branches of the Coach K tree:
Mike Brey : One Sweet 16, Zero Elite 8s in 19 years.
Jeff Capel : One Elite 8 in 9 years.
Tommy Amaker : One Sweet 16, zero Elite 8s in 17 years.
Total: 45 years, two Sweet 16s, one Elite 8. Most of Brey's career at Notre Dame. Amaker was an abject failure at Michigan (not even one NCAA appearance in 6 years). Capel had one great season at Oklahoma and was then fired after two sub .500 ones (now a Duke assistant).
So Buzz in 7 years (6 at MU) has the same number of Sweet 16s and Elite 8s as the 3 best producing branches of the Coach K tree have in 45.
Shifting the goalposts, I see, from record to how many Sweet 16s. I suppose you had no choice, given how you were wrong and all.
Now tell me, was Delaware a comparable program to Marquette? VCU when Capel took over there? Harvard? Seton Hall? Has Notre Dame ever invested in basketball the way MU has over the past decade?
And yet you think yours is a fair comparison?
I mean, if you're going to measure them by tournament runs, don't you think the respective nature of the programs ought to matter just a tad?
I meant it as a joke earlier when I asked if you were the new Chicos. Now I'm not so sure it's a joke.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 02:22:55 PM
Shifting the goalposts, I see, from record to how many Sweet 16s. I suppose you had no choice, given how you were wrong and all.
Now tell me, was Delaware a comparable program to Marquette? VCU when Capel took over there? Harvard? Seton Hall? Has Notre Dame ever invested in basketball the way MU has over the past decade?
And yet you think yours is a fair comparison?
I mean, if you're going to measure them by tournament runs, don't you think the respective nature of the programs ought to matter just a tad?
I meant it as a joke earlier when I asked if you were the new Chicos. Now I'm not so sure it's a joke.
Point well taken. I should have not used "record" since I meant success, not just overall winning percentage. My mistake for using imprecise or maybe even inaccurate language.
The point remains, in my opinion at least, that Buzz has been more successful than those 3 or any of the many other Coach K disciples.
Believe me, I'm trying to "drop it", but it's difficult when people are posting tin foil hat fantasies that Buzz threw games, that we're headed for NCAA sanctions, etc.. From now on I'll try to ignore the nonsense.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
If you mean MU, the situation (according to even Buzz hater Chicos) was a cupboard so bare by year 2 that just making the tournament should result in Buzz being named National Coach of the Year. By year 3 there were no players left from the Crean era and we began a streak of three consecutive years playing into the second weekend of the tournament, something that happened just twice (once with TC, once with KO) in the previous 31 seasons.
I don't hate Buzz.
He's squirmy as hell, odd beyond belief (I use the word "odd" because I'm being nice) and his schtick is exactly that. He's a really good coach, he's also revealed his character over the years on countless occasions that you and others simply ignored because you wanted to. It was pathetic, but since he was our guy, it was ok.
I believe I said Big East COY (ironically a response to you):
"In fact I said it again earlier today...I actually said if they make the NCAA tournament he should be Big East COY and yes, I said it again today. But I think the award would actually go to Jamie Dixon if I were to guess.
And no, I still need 4 to 5 years. Steve Lavin was coach of the year, Matt Doherty was National coach of the year....your favorite coach, Tom Crean, was COY as well (twice). Until then, the best they get from me is "so far so good"If I said national, I'd like to see it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
Point well taken. I should have not used "record" since I meant success, not just overall winning percentage. My mistake for using imprecise or maybe even inaccurate language.
The point remains, in my opinion at least, that Buzz has been more successful than those 3 or any of the many other Coach K disciples.
Believe me, I'm trying to "drop it", but it's difficult when people are posting tin foil hat fantasies that Buzz threw games, that we're headed for NCAA sanctions, etc.. From now on I'll try to ignore the nonsense.
NCAA sanctions...who is posting that?
No one that I can see. Don't confuse a lack of character, squirmy ethics, and totally bizarre behavior with breaking rules. They are totally different animals.
You seem to have moved into the JUST WIN BABY crowd, because you are putting all your eggs in your little basket into NCAA tournament success, which is a complete crapshoot. The stuff that goes on within the program, doesn't seem to matter....as long as they win those NCAA games.
Ultimately, Lenny, why do you think he left \ pushed out...what do you think those reasons were for? It is clear to me you don't have an iota of what they are, or your head wouldn't be this far out defending him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 03:08:26 PM
NCAA sanctions...who is posting that?
No one that I can see. Don't confuse a lack of character, squirmy ethics, and totally bizarre behavior with breaking rules. They are totally different animals.
You seem to have moved into the JUST WIN BABY crowd, because you are putting all your eggs in your little basket into NCAA tournament success, which is a complete crapshoot. The stuff that goes on within the program, doesn't seem to matter....as long as they win those NCAA games.
Ultimately, Lenny, why do you think he left \ pushed out...what do you think those reasons were for? It is clear to me you don't have an iota of what they are, or your head wouldn't be this far out defending him.
i get sick of people with sources, acting like they know what's going on in the program, etc. you said some very nice stuff about mike rice if i remember, yet the videos of that guy in practice doesn't seem to match. i don't really think there is anyone wasting time on message boards that really has a feel for why things happen in the program.
hell, my employer has ~1,000 employees...there's 1 person who really knows what's going on, 3 that kind of know, and 6 that know some stuff...everything else is always diluted and fails to fully understand the complexity of all the decisions that get questioned. impossible to know why buzz does what he does...i doubt he knows himself, and there's probably a preponderance of evidence to support that he had some issues, but always two sides to the story.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
Point well taken. I should have not used "record" since I meant success, not just overall winning percentage. My mistake for using imprecise or maybe even inaccurate language.
The point remains, in my opinion at least, that Buzz has been more successful than those 3 or any of the many other Coach K disciples.
Believe me, I'm trying to "drop it", but it's difficult when people are posting tin foil hat fantasies that Buzz threw games, that we're headed for NCAA sanctions, etc.. From now on I'll try to ignore the nonsense.
You're right ... there have been a lot of stupid theories.
Quote from: Ganzer's Source on April 04, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
http://www.gobblercountry.com/2014/4/3/5580292/virginia-tech-hokies-basketball-buzz-williams-radio-interview-tim-brando
"They discussed the news out of Marquette, with the hiring of Wojo. Buzz says, 'Wojo is a stud.' Compared Coach K's status to John Wooden's and says the pedigree will validate Wojo. Says the kids at Marquette will be great and do everything he asks. He's very happy for Wojo, and will congratulate him this weekend in Dallas."
Of course, Wojo already said he'll be forgoing Dallas to spend that time with the players building his relationship with them, as that's his #1 priority. So he may have to wait a bit for the congratulations from Buzz.
notice the difference here-the priorities? buzz must already be tight with his guys back at vcu and has everything under control ?-(
Quote from: avid1010 on April 04, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
i get sick of people with sources, acting like they know what's going on in the program, etc.
If the past two weeks taught us anything, it's that most of the self-proclaimed insiders don't have a clue.
Funny that the guy who ended up getting the job wasn't mentioned by a single "insider" until after MU's interest was reported by Yahoo!, and even then the insiders were insisting that Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett would be the guy.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
If the past two weeks taught us anything, it's that most of the self-proclaimed insiders don't have a clue.
Funny that the guy who ended up getting the job wasn't mentioned by a single "insider" until after MU's interest was reported by Yahoo!, and even then the insiders were insisting that Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett would be the guy.
+1. People's sources are long on innuendo and totally devoid of facts. Squirmy.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
Believe me, I'm trying to "drop it", but it's difficult when people are posting tin foil hat fantasies that Buzz threw games, that we're headed for NCAA sanctions, etc.. From now on I'll try to ignore the nonsense.
In an ironic twist of fate, the first year or two after TC left, I found myself playing a similar role, Lenny.
People would trash TC, and I'd chip in my 2 cents trying to provide some facts.
The truth is, people are going to be pissed at Buzz for a while, and there isn't much you can do about it.
Fairly, or unfairly, he's going to get trashed on this site. My honest suggestion is that you just get used to it, or else it will eat away at you, and you'll become like that guy, Hoopaloop.
Pakuni
I would disagree with your comment on "insider" info being completely wrong. Info may have been shared that turned out to be inaccurate, but it was accurate info on what was going on and thought process the school was using. In addition, there was one poster on here that caled Wojo privately to me two days prior to hire. He PM'd me and was right on target with the hire. I will not name that poster, but he hit it right on target.
Wojo's name was in the mix as early as first weekend after Buzz was gone and I dismissed it believing they were confident they would get their guy. IMO the mention of his name at the time was more about guys in the mix and the pool is deep.
All that said, I think Buzz did great job for MU and also was a nut. I stated back in 2012 that I believed he was slippery and I was fine with him being that way provided it was within rules. In reviewing the past season it is obvious to me that Buzz was checked out and days were numbered. I mentioned during one game that no coach that wanted to keep his job would. E playing rotations he was playing. Buzz quitting or being asked out really only matters to enhance discussion on here.
His handling of this team was one of the most talked about coaching moves I can ever remember. Casual fans or diehard fans that would never bash a coach or program were frustrated and I have never seen that before. When 75 year old women that love MU are speaking out you know that things are not right.
After not wanting Buzz here to really loving his shtick for awhile I am happy he is gone. He was a walking time bomb and fortunately for MU he is now VT walking time bomb. He built a team quickly based off winning and trying to prove he deserved the job and I liked that. Getting Juco's allowed him to build quicker and maintain the winning at high level. For me I am happy he was here and provided some very exciting moments. Now time to look forward.
No interest in what that sweaty douchebag has to say on any topic...especially MU's recent hire.
Enjoy Blacksburg.
I lean closer to Lenny's opinion than I do Chico's. Whatever happened inside school doors with Buzz and school may or may not come out. Regardless we enjoyed great success and I would say 99% of folks were Buzz backers a month ago. In that 99% many were pissed about the rotations and season but few were sitting at home and posting on here they wished Buzz would leave after the season.
I always the guy was off his rocker and for most part enjoyed that. Being an Al groupie it was nice not having a cookie cutter coach. Love him or hate him he was not cookie cutter. Many on here are anti TC and now many anti Buzz and that is fine by me. IMO both are part of ball history at MU and fun to discuss their part in history. Both guys gave fans success in the court and I appreciate that. Although, I still might be a dreamer but I wanted a higher level of success and still believe it can happen at MU.
Quote from: keefe on April 04, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
Billie likely knows more about hangover cures than Mike
But not Mike Deane!
Quote from: avid1010 on April 04, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
i get sick of people with sources, acting like they know what's going on in the program, etc. you said some very nice stuff about mike rice if i remember, yet the videos of that guy in practice doesn't seem to match. i don't really think there is anyone wasting time on message boards that really has a feel for why things happen in the program.
hell, my employer has ~1,000 employees...there's 1 person who really knows what's going on, 3 that kind of know, and 6 that know some stuff...everything else is always diluted and fails to fully understand the complexity of all the decisions that get questioned. impossible to know why buzz does what he does...i doubt he knows himself, and there's probably a preponderance of evidence to support that he had some issues, but always two sides to the story.
Mike Rice is a super nice guy in my interactions with him for a number of years. None of that is wrong at all. How many people said the same thing about him when the videos came out....a boatload. Plenty of people can act one way in one situation and totally different in another. Happens all the time. I would also be careful whenever videos like that are put out. Did Bobby Knight throw a chair at every game he coached? If someone were to look at a video they might thing that. I'm not condoning what Mike did at all, nor does he.
As far as who knows what is going on, I'm not sure anyone here said they knew all that was going on. I'd love to see someone who said it. Instead, like your example of what is going on in a large company, there pockets of people that know what is going on in one area, another pocket in another area, so on and so forth. No one knows everything, including the CEO at a company that big. Now, when you are a "CEO" for 13 players, 5 coaches, some managers, etc, well you know a lot more than a company overseeing 1,000 people....common sense. And there are plenty of people that are wired in pretty good. No one knows it all, plenty of folks know enough, others know more, some know less...and some nothing at all. That isn't going to change.
There's a reason Buzz left. On one hand you have people here saying he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, had a top 20 recruiting class already on the roster and another one coming in. A league that got EASIER to coach in and he won the battle to get rid of the AD, yet he is gone. Now, let's put on the common sense hat for a second and ask....why? I'd ask Lenny and a few others to do the same thing. Why?
Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2014, 05:14:30 PM
I lean closer to Lenny's opinion than I do Chico's. Whatever happened inside school doors with Buzz and school may or may not come out. Regardless we enjoyed great success and I would say 99% of folks were Buzz backers a month ago. In that 99% many were pissed about the rotations and season but few were sitting at home and posting on here they wished Buzz would leave after the season.
I always the guy was off his rocker and for most part enjoyed that. Being an Al groupie it was nice not having a cookie cutter coach. Love him or hate him he was not cookie cutter. Many on here are anti TC and now many anti Buzz and that is fine by me. IMO both are part of ball history at MU and fun to discuss their part in history. Both guys gave fans success in the court and I appreciate that. Although, I still might be a dreamer but I wanted a higher level of success and still believe it can happen at MU.
I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY.
That's all that matters. For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd. And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.
He's a very good coach, glad he is gone. He can pull that schtick down there. I hope he is successful, I'm not going to be immature like many MU fans and cheer against him and have prayer vigils and voodoo dolls hoping they fail. All the best to him, but glad he is gone.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY.
That's all that matters. For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd. And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.
He's a very good coach, glad he is gone. He can pull that schtick down there. I hope he is successful, I'm not going to be immature like many MU fans and cheer against him and have prayer vigils and voodoo dolls hoping they fail. All the best to him, but glad he is gone.
I'm very glad he is gone. His schtick got old and he became an embarrassment to MU. While I won't be praying for him to lose, I won't waste any time wishing him luck. Simply don't care what he does in Blacksburg. He is VT's problem now.
Groin_pull
Agreed on his act getting old, but was it because we sucked this year or really getting old? IMO his act got old at MU well before this past season and it caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly changed direction of university. The departure of LW might prove to be bigger loss than Buzz. Who knows if we had an AD who might have been the next coach.
I am not anti Cords but do not think him in acting AD role was a positive in the search process or a positive for the next year for that matter.
IMO, Larry was too closely identified with Pilarz. When the good father left, Larry's fate was sealed, completely independent of the friction with Buzz.
Tower
Agreed on LW but his departure hurt to some degree in coaching search. Having a high level AD always is a positive. If I were MU I would pay new AD crazy money and get a top level guy. At basketball only school MU needs high level guy with great vision. We need to find way to upgrade conference and we should be leading that.
A year ago many in here praised LW for taking lead on NBE and I was not one if them. We need a guy that can drive our own our course and not settle for next best option all the time. School needs high level AD quickly.
I was never a huge Larry fan. I give him full marks for helping put together the current version of the Big East. I don't believe he was elite. And there are a large number of stories out there about his management style, too. I agree that a dynamic, forward looking AD would be a huge help. But Larry, like Fr. Pilarz, was just not the best long term choice for MU.
Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2014, 06:24:01 PM
Groin_pull
Agreed on his act getting old, but was it because we sucked this year or really getting old? IMO his act got old at MU well before this past season and it caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly changed direction of university. The departure of LW might prove to be bigger loss than Buzz. Who knows if we had an AD who might have been the next coach.
I am not anti Cords but do not think him in acting AD role was a positive in the search process or a positive for the next year for that matter.
Brent's schtick was old for a few years. Was tired of watching him sweat, jump and scream on the sidelines. Was tired of his rambling, ridiculous pressers with that froggy hoarse voice. Was tired of hearing about paint touches, switchables, and life lessons. Was tired of his endless offense/defense hockey line substitutions. On a more serious note, I was completely turned off by the Newbill situation and the sexual assault coverup.
After some initial hesitancy, I've quickly warmed up to Wojo and think he'll do an excellent job. After some PR stumbles, I think Cords and Co. got it right.
Bert would be better off just worrin' 'bout his own self and pay MU no mind. Why should we give him a podium to keep spittin' out that chit?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY.
That's all that matters. For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd. And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.
He's a very good coach, glad he is gone. He can pull that schtick down there. I hope he is successful, I'm not going to be immature like many MU fans and cheer against him and have prayer vigils and voodoo dolls hoping they fail. All the best to him, but glad he is gone.
It's really ironic that you can type this, yet continue to defend TC the death. TC had many squirmy moments himself.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY.
That's all that matters. For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd.
Hell, a month ago you were still a "Buzz backer". Wish I had a dollar for all the times you've said how much you liked the guy in the past year or two. Your arrogance and hypocrisy is amazing.
Quote from: Goose on April 04, 2014, 06:24:01 PM
Groin_pull
Agreed on his act getting old, but was it because we sucked this year or really getting old? IMO his act got old at MU well before this past season and it caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly changed direction of university. The departure of LW might prove to be bigger loss than Buzz. Who knows if we had an AD who might have been the next coach.
I am not anti Cords but do not think him in acting AD role was a positive in the search process or a positive for the next year for that matter.
Good points. I'm sure Bill provided some valuable experience and sounding board influence in all of this. I'm also sure some candidates were not thrilled knowing he is an AD in name only and will be gone in the next year. You want to know who your AD is going to be. If I was a candidate, I'd demand some protection in the contract to address that, especially if I was already employed at another school as a head coach and didn't need the gig. For an assistant wanting to be a head coach, not as much leverage but Wojo would have been smart to ask and make it an important negotiating point.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 08:14:24 PM
Hell, a month ago you were still a "Buzz backer". Wish I had a dollar for all the times you've said how much you liked the guy in the past year or two. Your arrogance and hypocrisy is amazing.
Ahhhh, like an old pipe or trusted putter, it feels like home again. Welcome back, Mr Bernstein!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 08:14:24 PM
Hell, a month ago you were still a "Buzz backer". Wish I had a dollar for all the times you've said how much you liked the guy in the past year or two. Your arrogance and hypocrisy is amazing.
I'm continually amazed at how black and white your world is. In your experiences, Lenny, have you ever met someone or worked with someone that you thought was an arse on SOME THINGS or not the most ethical person in the world, but generally they were jovial, easy to get along with, nice to converse with, etc? Ever known a person who was a "nice guy", did some good for the community, but you wouldn't trust him with your own money? Ever known a person that treated you really well, or your family really well, but found out that how he treated other people was 180 degrees from your experiences?
Yup, said nice things about him for Buzz's bunch and a few other areas. Made a point in the thread a few weeks ago when everyone was bending over backward about "how great a coach he is" to say how is a
very good coach, not a great coach which of course got a few smirks and the typical "I hate Buzz" stuff.
So which is it, do I hate Buzz, as you implied earlier today? Or do I back Buzz and like him...as you just implied now and want a dollar? You seem to be confused.
I also said I don't want to see him go (or any coach), because I know what it does to the university. It puts us in a stepping stone mode. I really don't like it when they go to a place like Va. Tech for less money....it screams a lot of bad things. So yes, Lenny, from that perspective whomever the coach is I'm going to want around especially at MU because the continued revolving door isn't a good thing. Now that he is gone \ pushed \ not retained, I'm glad he is gone. The decision was made.
Part of your deal Lenny is that you wanted him to do well not because of Marquette, but because he wasn't the previous coach. You were hoping he was the antithesis of him and that's what drove you on this. When you were told there were plenty of character revealed moments over the years, you and others didn't care....because MU was winning and he wasn't the previous guy. Now that the chickens are roosting and he's every bit the guy you despised and left MU in a bad way (ironically), you're digging in your heels further. It's going to be a long few months for you I'm afraid.
He didn't leave for a better program or more money. MU didn't try to stop him. You're a smart guy Lenny.....
Quote from: The Lens on April 04, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
It's really ironic that you can type this, yet continue to defend TC the death. TC had many squirmy moments himself.
TC did, but like everything in life there are degrees to it. I'm not defending his crap either, but the world is not black and white. TC's crap never got MU into some of the messes that MU ultimately got into, or the bad publicity for the university, etc.
You know as well as anyone, MU didn't want to see TC go...not the people that that paid the bills anyway. Sure, some fans did, but not the folks paying the bills. That is 180 degrees the scenario with Brent....I wonder why. ::)
Who the f uck is "Buzz?" Never heard of him. No kidding.
Chico's
The guys paying the bills for TC might not have wanted him to leave but IMO they wanted higher level of success for their investment. He felt some heat, especially after a couple of early outs in March and one regular season game if memory serves me.
Do agree big difference between the two on how they were thought of within the walls of university and by fans. Still surprises me the angst against Buzz by folks who openly supported him on here. My opinion never changed on the guy. He was a risky hire, a risky employee and he provided some entertainment.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
If the past two weeks taught us anything, it's that most of the self-proclaimed insiders don't have a clue.
Funny that the guy who ended up getting the job wasn't mentioned by a single "insider" until after MU's interest was reported by Yahoo!, and even then the insiders were insisting that Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett would be the guy.
Not sure this is accurate but it really doesn't matter as we have a coach
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
I'm continually amazed at how black and white your world is. In your experiences, Lenny, have you ever met someone or worked with someone that you thought was an arse on SOME THINGS or not the most ethical person in the world, but generally they were jovial, easy to get along with, nice to converse with, etc? Ever known a person who was a "nice guy", did some good for the community, but you wouldn't trust him with your own money? Ever known a person that treated you really well, or your family really well, but found out that how he treated other people was 180 degrees from your experiences?
Yup, said nice things about him for Buzz's bunch and a few other areas. Made a point in the thread a few weeks ago when everyone was bending over backward about "how great a coach he is" to say how is a very good coach, not a great coach which of course got a few smirks and the typical "I hate Buzz" stuff.
So which is it, do I hate Buzz, as you implied earlier today? Or do I back Buzz and like him...as you just implied now and want a dollar? You seem to be confused.
I also said I don't want to see him go (or any coach), because I know what it does to the university. It puts us in a stepping stone mode. I really don't like it when they go to a place like Va. Tech for less money....it screams a lot of bad things. So yes, Lenny, from that perspective whomever the coach is I'm going to want around especially at MU because the continued revolving door isn't a good thing. Now that he is gone \ pushed \ not retained, I'm glad he is gone. The decision was made.
Part of your deal Lenny is that you wanted him to do well not because of Marquette, but because he wasn't the previous coach. You were hoping he was the antithesis of him and that's what drove you on this. When you were told there were plenty of character revealed moments over the years, you and others didn't care....because MU was winning and he wasn't the previous guy. Now that the chickens are roosting and he's every bit the guy you despised and left MU in a bad way (ironically), you're digging in your heels further. It's going to be a long few months for you I'm afraid.
He didn't leave for a better program or more money. MU didn't try to stop him. You're a smart guy Lenny.....
You're last paragraph is accurate. Most of the rest is garbage. If you really want to discuss this pm me. I don't want to further annoy the rest of the board.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
If the past two weeks taught us anything, it's that most of the self-proclaimed insiders don't have a clue.
Funny that the guy who ended up getting the job wasn't mentioned by a single "insider" until after MU's interest was reported by Yahoo!, and even then the insiders were insisting that Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett would be the guy.
Maybe if you picked up the phone and dialed 1-800-980-8637 you would have known that Wojo was going to be our next coach.
http://www.youtube.com/v/oxopPDMq7rs?hl=en_US&version=3
Revealing and prescient
http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
Revealing and prescient
http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/
When the Bronzed Beast was caught at Gary Harris's high school recruiting him during a non contact period Glass and IU did nothing. Stayed quiet and supported a violator who most definitely knew better. Monarch gave a kid a t shirt and the AD couldn't wait to publicly report the violation, can Monarch and suspend Buzz. He shouldn't have lied, but when an atmosphere of Inquisition has already been established I doubt he felt the truth would save him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
Revealing and prescient
http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/
This is the first time I've read this article. With all of the people on here, I'm highly surprised no one used it as an explanation for Buzz leaving in the last few weeks.
Has he assembled his staff in VaTech yet? Is Monarch on board yet?
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 04, 2014, 10:16:37 PM
This is the first time I've read this article. With all of the people on here, I'm highly surprised no one used it as an explanation for Buzz leaving in the last few weeks.
Has he assembled his staff in VaTech yet? Is Monarch on board yet?
Makes you wonder if Buzz put the photo of Monarch up on purpose on the VT website as an "in your face" to MU.
Quote from: brandx on April 04, 2014, 10:29:37 PM
Makes you wonder if Buzz put the photo of Monarch up on purpose on the VT website as an "in your face" to MU.
To show that he's so important to a program that they cannot get his own picture correct?
Lenny
IMO there was more to the tshirt scandal and Monarch dismissal than meets the eye. MU did prudent thing and acted quickly and with with firm hand on that. Never believed the punishment fit the crime and I believe it was a proactive move to make sure things did not get out of hand down the road.
http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/
Does anyone find it amusing that when you bring up the article that there's a business conferencing solutions ad on top of all four coaches?
On top of that it says the following:
Unlimited Calls with Static Free Lines, Secure Numbers, and 24/7 Operator Support
Quote from: keefe on April 04, 2014, 08:45:03 PM
Ahhhh, like an old pipe or trusted putter, it feels like home again. Welcome back, Mr Bernstein!
Old for sure but only trusted by some. Thanks, Crash.
Lenny
I think trusted by more than you think.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 04, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
Old for sure but only trusted by some. Thanks, Crash.
Always keep 'em guessin'
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
.... And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.....
Getting a bit tired of seeing you post this. This is probably over a baker's dozen worth of statements by you that "more will come out." Why don't you share with us what you know rather than being so damn obtuse about it. I would like to know what really was going on, but won't lose sleep if I don't find out, but constantly stating something without stating a damn thing is ridiculous. Either spew or don't, but stop teasing and acting like you know what the hell is going on.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
.... And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.....
Getting a bit tired of seeing you post this. This is probably over a baker's dozen worth of statements by you that "more will come out." Why don't you share with us what you know rather than being so damn obtuse about it. I would like to know what really was going on, but won't lose sleep if I don't find out, but constantly stating something without stating a damn thing is ridiculous. Either spew or don't, but stop teasing and acting like you know what the hell is going on.
Not much is left Chico !!!!!
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In reality, why do we care what Buzz thinks?
He's gone. Whether he was forced out or just decided it was time to move on may never be known...thanks to him for the good things he did, wish he would have done a number of things differently.
We always knew he was a weird dude...at the time he was our weird dude so we just laughed about it ...but it's time to move on.
I have a good friend who is a highly regarded MD, Ph.D in psychiatry at a top research hospital and because he's a Duke Med school grad he's also a big BB fan. He has zero ties to MU but being a contemporary remembers the Al days well and has always respected the program's history.
He told me several years ago that he thought that Buzz was bipolar and may also have other issues....at the time I laughed him off....when this all went down he emailed me with one sentence : "now do you believe me?"
Food for thought....
Quote from: SERocks on April 05, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
Getting a bit tired of seeing you post this. This is probably over a baker's dozen worth of statements by you that "more will come out." Why don't you share with us what you know rather than being so damn obtuse about it. I would like to know what really was going on, but won't lose sleep if I don't find out, but constantly stating something without stating a damn thing is ridiculous. Either spew or don't, but stop teasing and acting like you know what the hell is going on.
When I did in the past, I got hammered for it for years here by many on this very thread. People questioning if I was even a MU fan. Idiocy. It got tiring. No no, I don't need to now as others finally are doing it. I'm just going to sit back and watch. There are more than a few apologies that are in order to some posters and ex-posters here, but I'm sure they aren't coming.
On the bright side, I do hope this means some posters that left will be coming back. Hopefully that is the case because many were driven away by fans here that adopted the JUST WIN BABY AT ALL COSTS mentality and how DARE anyone mention some of BS that was going on. Even when it hit the front pages of the papers, the scramble by many here to say NOTHING TO SEE HERE was nauseating.
So, no....others can do it and they have and more will come.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 05, 2014, 10:08:57 AM
Not much is left Chico !!!!!
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Plenty of paste still in the tube MD. As I said a few years ago, there were a few more shoes to drop and some of them did, they just didn't get public.
I suspect some shoes will be hanging over the wires before it is all said and done.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
Revealing and prescient
http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/
As interesting as the article might be, the truly interesting article in the earlier one to which the author refers. Click on the article from 2011 dealing with Bubba being suspend for the U Conn game. That is the article that reveals Brent's character.
Quote from: Goose on April 05, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
Lenny
I think trusted by more than you think.
Agreed. Lenny has some of the better opinions on this board - except for his hangup with Chicos. It's unfortunate, but that may drive me to put him on ignore at some point.