Buzz on Wojo Hire

[Groin_pull]

No interest in what that sweaty douchebag has to say on any topic...especially MU's recent hire.

Enjoy Blacksburg.

[Goose]

I lean closer to Lenny's opinion than I do Chico's. Whatever happened inside school doors with Buzz and school may or may not come out. Regardless we enjoyed great success and I would say 99% of folks were Buzz backers a month ago. In that 99% many were pissed about the rotations and season but few were sitting at home and posting on here they wished Buzz would leave after the season.

I always the guy was off his rocker and for most part enjoyed that. Being an Al groupie it was nice not having a cookie cutter coach. Love him or hate him he was not cookie cutter. Many on here are anti TC and now many anti Buzz and that is fine by me. IMO both are part of ball history at MU and fun to discuss their part in history. Both guys gave fans success in the court and I appreciate that. Although, I still might be a dreamer but I wanted a higher level of success and still believe it can happen at MU.

[Dawson Rental]

Billie likely knows more about hangover cures than Mike

But not Mike Deane!

[ChicosBailBonds]

i get sick of people with sources, acting like they know what's going on in the program, etc.  you said some very nice stuff about mike rice if i remember, yet the videos of that guy in practice doesn't seem to match.  i don't really think there is anyone wasting time on message boards that really has a feel for why things happen in the program. 

hell, my employer has ~1,000 employees...there's 1 person who really knows what's going on, 3 that kind of know, and 6 that know some stuff...everything else is always diluted and fails to fully understand the complexity of all the decisions that get questioned.  impossible to know why buzz does what he does...i doubt he knows himself, and there's probably a preponderance of evidence to support that he had some issues, but always two sides to the story. 

Mike Rice is a super nice guy in my interactions with him for a number of years.  None of that is wrong at all.  How many people said the same thing about him when the videos came out....a boatload.  Plenty of people can act one way in one situation and totally different in another.  Happens all the time.  I would also be careful whenever videos like that are put out.  Did Bobby Knight throw a chair at every game he coached?  If someone were to look at a video they might thing that. I'm not condoning what Mike did at all, nor does he.

As far as who knows what is going on, I'm not sure anyone here said they knew all that was going on. I'd love to see someone who said it.  Instead, like your example of what is going on in a large company, there pockets of people that know what is going on in one area, another pocket in another area, so on and so forth.  No one knows everything, including the CEO at a company that big.  Now, when you are a "CEO" for 13 players, 5 coaches, some managers, etc, well you know a lot more than a company overseeing 1,000 people....common sense.  And there are plenty of people that are wired in pretty good.  No one knows it all, plenty of folks know enough, others know more, some know less...and some nothing at all.  That isn't going to change. 

There's a reason Buzz left.    On one hand you have people here saying he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, had a top 20 recruiting class already on the roster and another one coming in.  A league that got EASIER to coach in and he won the battle to get rid of the AD, yet he is gone.  Now, let's put on the common sense hat for a second and ask....why?  I'd ask Lenny and a few others to do the same thing.  Why? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I lean closer to Lenny's opinion than I do Chico's. Whatever happened inside school doors with Buzz and school may or may not come out. Regardless we enjoyed great success and I would say 99% of folks were Buzz backers a month ago. In that 99% many were pissed about the rotations and season but few were sitting at home and posting on here they wished Buzz would leave after the season.

I always the guy was off his rocker and for most part enjoyed that. Being an Al groupie it was nice not having a cookie cutter coach. Love him or hate him he was not cookie cutter. Many on here are anti TC and now many anti Buzz and that is fine by me. IMO both are part of ball history at MU and fun to discuss their part in history. Both guys gave fans success in the court and I appreciate that. Although, I still might be a dreamer but I wanted a higher level of success and still believe it can happen at MU.

I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY. 

That's all that matters.  For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd.   And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.

He's a very good coach, glad he is gone.  He can pull that schtick down there.  I hope he is successful, I'm not going to be immature like many MU fans and cheer against him and have prayer vigils and voodoo dolls hoping they fail.  All the best to him, but glad he is gone.   

[Groin_pull]

I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY. 

That's all that matters.  For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd.   And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.

He's a very good coach, glad he is gone.  He can pull that schtick down there.  I hope he is successful, I'm not going to be immature like many MU fans and cheer against him and have prayer vigils and voodoo dolls hoping they fail.  All the best to him, but glad he is gone.   

I'm very glad he is gone. His schtick got old and he became an embarrassment to MU. While I won't be praying for him to lose, I won't waste any time wishing him luck. Simply don't care what he does in Blacksburg. He is VT's problem now.

[Goose]

Groin_pull

Agreed on his act getting old, but was it because we sucked this year or really getting old? IMO his act got old at MU well before this past season and it caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly changed direction of university. The departure of LW might prove to be bigger loss than Buzz. Who knows if we had an AD who might have been the next coach.

I am not anti Cords but do not think him in acting AD role was a positive in the search process or a positive for the next year for that matter.

[tower912]

IMO, Larry was too closely identified with Pilarz.    When the good father left, Larry's fate was sealed, completely independent of the friction with Buzz.   

[Goose]

Tower

Agreed on LW but his departure hurt to some degree in coaching search. Having a high level AD always is a positive. If I were MU I would pay new AD crazy money and get a top level guy. At basketball only school MU needs high level guy with great vision. We need to find way to upgrade conference and we should be leading that.

A year ago many in here praised LW for taking lead on NBE and I was not one if them. We need a guy that can drive our own our course and not settle for next best option all the time. School needs high level AD quickly.

[tower912]

I was never a huge Larry fan.   I give him full marks for helping put together the current version of the Big East.   I don't believe he was elite.   And there are a large number of stories out there about his management style, too.   I agree that a dynamic, forward looking AD would be a huge help.     But Larry, like Fr. Pilarz, was just not the best long term choice for MU.   

[Groin_pull]

Groin_pull

Agreed on his act getting old, but was it because we sucked this year or really getting old? IMO his act got old at MU well before this past season and it caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly changed direction of university. The departure of LW might prove to be bigger loss than Buzz. Who knows if we had an AD who might have been the next coach.

I am not anti Cords but do not think him in acting AD role was a positive in the search process or a positive for the next year for that matter.

Brent's schtick was old for a few years. Was tired of watching him sweat, jump and scream on the sidelines. Was tired of his rambling, ridiculous pressers with that froggy hoarse voice. Was tired of hearing about paint touches, switchables, and life lessons. Was tired of his endless offense/defense hockey line substitutions. On a more serious note, I was completely turned off by the Newbill situation and the sexual assault coverup.

After some initial hesitancy, I've quickly warmed up to Wojo and think he'll do an excellent job. After some PR stumbles, I think Cords and Co. got it right.

[4everwarriors]

Bert would be better off just worrin' 'bout his own self and pay MU no mind. Why should we give him a podium to keep spittin' out that chit?

[The Lens]

I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY. 

That's all that matters.  For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd.   And yes, more will come out and that % will drop further.

He's a very good coach, glad he is gone.  He can pull that schtick down there.  I hope he is successful, I'm not going to be immature like many MU fans and cheer against him and have prayer vigils and voodoo dolls hoping they fail.  All the best to him, but glad he is gone.   

It's really ironic that you can type this, yet continue to defend TC the death.  TC had many squirmy moments himself.

[Lennys Tap]

I'd say 99% of people that were Buzz backers a month ago because we won....JUST WIN BABY. 

That's all that matters.  For some of us, it goes beyond that...the squirmy BS matters.....but not for the JUST WIN BABY crowd.   

Hell, a month ago you were still a "Buzz backer". Wish I had a dollar for all the times you've said how much you liked the guy in the past year or two. Your arrogance and hypocrisy is amazing.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Groin_pull

Agreed on his act getting old, but was it because we sucked this year or really getting old? IMO his act got old at MU well before this past season and it caused a great deal of turmoil and possibly changed direction of university. The departure of LW might prove to be bigger loss than Buzz. Who knows if we had an AD who might have been the next coach.

I am not anti Cords but do not think him in acting AD role was a positive in the search process or a positive for the next year for that matter.

Good points.  I'm sure Bill provided some valuable experience and sounding board influence in all of this.  I'm also sure some candidates were not thrilled knowing he is an AD in name only and will be gone in the next year.  You want to know who your AD is going to be.  If I was a candidate, I'd demand some protection in the contract to address that, especially if I was already employed at another school as a head coach and didn't need the gig.  For an assistant wanting to be a head coach, not as much leverage but Wojo would have been smart to ask and make it an important negotiating point. 

[keefe]

Hell, a month ago you were still a "Buzz backer". Wish I had a dollar for all the times you've said how much you liked the guy in the past year or two. Your arrogance and hypocrisy is amazing.

Ahhhh, like an old pipe or trusted putter, it feels like home again. Welcome back, Mr Bernstein!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hell, a month ago you were still a "Buzz backer". Wish I had a dollar for all the times you've said how much you liked the guy in the past year or two. Your arrogance and hypocrisy is amazing.

I'm continually amazed at how black and white your world is.  In your experiences, Lenny, have you ever met someone or worked with someone that you thought was an arse on SOME THINGS or not the most ethical person in the world, but generally they were jovial, easy to get along with, nice to converse with, etc?  Ever known a person who was a "nice guy", did some good for the community, but you wouldn't trust him with your own money?  Ever known a person that treated you really well, or your family really well, but found out that how he treated other people was 180 degrees from your experiences? 

Yup, said nice things about him for Buzz's bunch and a few other areas.  Made a point in the thread a few weeks ago when everyone was bending over backward about "how great a coach he is" to say how is a very good coach, not a great coach which of course got a few smirks and the typical "I hate Buzz" stuff. 

So which is it, do I hate Buzz, as you implied earlier today?  Or do I back Buzz and like him...as you just implied now and want a dollar?  You seem to be confused. 

I also said I don't want to see him go (or any coach), because I know what it does to the university. It puts us in a stepping stone mode.  I really don't like it when they go to a place like Va. Tech for less money....it screams a lot of bad things.  So yes, Lenny, from that perspective whomever the coach is I'm going to want around especially at MU because the continued revolving door isn't a good thing.  Now that he is gone \ pushed \ not retained, I'm glad he is gone.  The decision was made. 

Part of your deal Lenny is that you wanted him to do well not because of Marquette, but because he wasn't the previous coach.  You were hoping he was the antithesis of him and that's what drove you on this.  When you were told there were plenty of character revealed moments over the years, you and others didn't care....because MU was winning and he wasn't the previous guy.  Now that the chickens are roosting and he's every bit the guy you despised and left MU in a bad way (ironically), you're digging in your heels further.   It's going to be a long few months for you I'm afraid. 

He didn't leave for a better program or more money.  MU didn't try to stop him.  You're a smart guy Lenny.....

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's really ironic that you can type this, yet continue to defend TC the death.  TC had many squirmy moments himself.

TC did, but like everything in life there are degrees to it.  I'm not defending his crap either, but the world is not black and white.  TC's crap never got MU into some of the messes that MU ultimately got into, or the bad publicity for the university, etc. 

You know as well as anyone, MU didn't want to see TC go...not the people that that paid the bills anyway.  Sure, some fans did, but not the folks paying the bills.   That is 180 degrees the scenario with Brent....I wonder why.   

[keefe]

Who the f uck is "Buzz?" Never heard of him. No kidding.

[Goose]

Chico's

The guys paying the bills for TC might not have wanted him to leave but IMO they wanted higher level of success for their investment. He felt some heat, especially after a couple of early outs in March and one regular season game if memory serves me.

Do agree big difference between the two on how they were thought of within the walls of university and by fans. Still surprises me the angst against Buzz by folks who openly supported him on here. My opinion never changed on the guy. He was a risky hire, a risky employee and he provided some entertainment.

[keefe]

If the past two weeks taught us anything, it's that most of the self-proclaimed insiders don't have a clue.
Funny that the guy who ended up getting the job wasn't mentioned by a single "insider" until after MU's interest was reported by Yahoo!, and even then the insiders were insisting that Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett would be the guy.

Not sure this is accurate but it really doesn't matter as we have a coach

[Lennys Tap]

I'm continually amazed at how black and white your world is.  In your experiences, Lenny, have you ever met someone or worked with someone that you thought was an arse on SOME THINGS or not the most ethical person in the world, but generally they were jovial, easy to get along with, nice to converse with, etc?  Ever known a person who was a "nice guy", did some good for the community, but you wouldn't trust him with your own money?  Ever known a person that treated you really well, or your family really well, but found out that how he treated other people was 180 degrees from your experiences? 

Yup, said nice things about him for Buzz's bunch and a few other areas.  Made a point in the thread a few weeks ago when everyone was bending over backward about "how great a coach he is" to say how is a very good coach, not a great coach which of course got a few smirks and the typical "I hate Buzz" stuff. 

So which is it, do I hate Buzz, as you implied earlier today?  Or do I back Buzz and like him...as you just implied now and want a dollar?  You seem to be confused. 

I also said I don't want to see him go (or any coach), because I know what it does to the university. It puts us in a stepping stone mode.  I really don't like it when they go to a place like Va. Tech for less money....it screams a lot of bad things.  So yes, Lenny, from that perspective whomever the coach is I'm going to want around especially at MU because the continued revolving door isn't a good thing.  Now that he is gone \ pushed \ not retained, I'm glad he is gone.  The decision was made. 

Part of your deal Lenny is that you wanted him to do well not because of Marquette, but because he wasn't the previous coach.  You were hoping he was the antithesis of him and that's what drove you on this.  When you were told there were plenty of character revealed moments over the years, you and others didn't care....because MU was winning and he wasn't the previous guy.  Now that the chickens are roosting and he's every bit the guy you despised and left MU in a bad way (ironically), you're digging in your heels further.   It's going to be a long few months for you I'm afraid. 

He didn't leave for a better program or more money.  MU didn't try to stop him.  You're a smart guy Lenny.....

You're last paragraph is accurate. Most of the rest is garbage. If you really want to discuss this pm me. I don't want to further annoy the rest of the board.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

If the past two weeks taught us anything, it's that most of the self-proclaimed insiders don't have a clue.
Funny that the guy who ended up getting the job wasn't mentioned by a single "insider" until after MU's interest was reported by Yahoo!, and even then the insiders were insisting that Cuonzo Martin or Tony Bennett would be the guy.

Maybe if you picked up the phone and dialed 1-800-980-8637  you would have known that Wojo was going to be our next coach. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/oxopPDMq7rs?hl=en_US&version=3

[ChicosBailBonds]

Revealing and prescient

http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/

[Lennys Tap]

Revealing and prescient

http://painttouches.com/2012/08/25/character-revealed/

When the Bronzed Beast was caught at Gary Harris's high school recruiting him during a non contact period Glass and IU did nothing. Stayed quiet and supported a violator who most definitely knew better. Monarch gave a kid a t shirt and the AD couldn't wait to publicly report the violation, can Monarch and suspend Buzz. He shouldn't have lied, but when an atmosphere of Inquisition has already been established I doubt he felt the truth would save him.