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Title: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MULS1999 on March 31, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS

Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin has removed himself from consideration at Marquette, a source told @CBSSports. Story coming ...
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 31, 2014, 11:34:47 PM
Yuck.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Pakuni on March 31, 2014, 11:36:47 PM
#WojoWatch
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: D'Lo Brown on March 31, 2014, 11:39:26 PM
That was a close one.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: wadesworld on March 31, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Mid-Major.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Eldon on March 31, 2014, 11:40:42 PM
Howland.  Now!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: WadeATKBurton on March 31, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
Damn, Damn, Damn, DAMN!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: WadeATKBurton on March 31, 2014, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Mid-Major.

Sounds like it
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2014, 11:41:55 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24509744/tennessees-cuonzo-martin-removes-name-from-marquette-consideration

Here's the story
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Tums Festival on March 31, 2014, 11:42:35 PM
Strike two...thankfully.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: brandx on March 31, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Not always true, but often guys pull out if they think someone else will be chosen for a job they want.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 31, 2014, 11:43:23 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2014, 11:36:47 PM
#WojoWatch

smh

Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
Damn, Damn, Damn, DAMN!



(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/62/62c29bfb7a7d0da020076e9651364f28ffe5cb526a2a37c45237041f591a5ebc.jpg)
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: WadeATKBurton on March 31, 2014, 11:43:48 PM
No Wojo NO WOJO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: AshyLarry on March 31, 2014, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: brandx on March 31, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Not always true, but often guys pull out if they think someone else will be chosen for a job they want.

Or Marquette allowed him to write the story, rather than the press release indicating Marquette has their sights set on a bigger target....?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: MULS1999 on March 31, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS

Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin has removed himself from consideration at Marquette, a source told @CBSSports. Story coming ...

"You can't not offer me the Marquette job, Cords, because I won't take it even if you did want me!"
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: AshyLarry on March 31, 2014, 11:44:42 PM
Or Marquette allowed him to write the story, rather than the press release indicating Marquette has their sights set on a bigger target....?

MU asked Gene Keady about a reference on Martin.  I wonder what happened there.   
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: kryza on March 31, 2014, 11:48:37 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Mid-Major.

He presumably changed his mind after a meeting with the TN AD (https://twitter.com/BBallTimeMag/status/450853077143547904)
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.

I feel relieved.  That's all anyone needs to know.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUSF on March 31, 2014, 11:51:40 PM
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:43:38 PM


(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/62/62c29bfb7a7d0da020076e9651364f28ffe5cb526a2a37c45237041f591a5ebc.jpg)

Hey Chicos, here's your "educated MU alumni just asking questions". Not a Martin hater at all.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:51:54 PM
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.

I feel relieved.  That's all anyone needs to know.

Amen brotha !!!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
I feel relieved.  That's all anyone needs to know.

Some Mental Masturbation tonight, Commons?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUSF on March 31, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.

I feel relieved.  That's all anyone needs to know.

Not disappointed, but I'm also not relieved. Hopefully MU can do better. I think they could certainly do worse.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: AshyLarry on March 31, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
MU asked Gene Keady about a reference on Martin.  I wonder what happened there.    

Makes you wonder....

If they did find something Marquette would still allow him to "pull out" of the running.  Maybe this means we are close to a deal with a bigger fish...?  This coaching thing is intense!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: jt92 on March 31, 2014, 11:53:27 PM
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.

I feel relieved.  That's all anyone needs to know.

Me too!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: esotericmindguy on March 31, 2014, 11:54:05 PM
Passed? Please.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
Quote from: AshyLarry on March 31, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Makes you wonder....

Marquette would still allow him to "pull out"

Withdraw or Pull Out. Either way is fine. Marquette is a Catholic school, after all.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Tums Festival on March 31, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
MU asked Gene Keady about a reference on Martin.  I wonder what happened there.   

I'm adding Gene Keady to my Christmas card list.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUSF on March 31, 2014, 11:56:29 PM
Quote from: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
Withdraw or Pull Out. Either way is fine. Marquette is a Catholic school, after all.

What about expelled?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: WadeATKBurton on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:58:04 PM
Quote from: Heavy Gear on March 31, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
I'm adding Gene Keady to my Christmas card list.

I'll buy the guy hair implants.  
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: GoVols on March 31, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
Congratulations fellas. This feels like you got revenge on us for Kevin O'Neill, getting our hopes high, only to have them smashed.

Back to the bubble watch for us the next year or two.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Farley36 on April 01, 2014, 12:00:20 AM
Quote from: GoVols on March 31, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
Congratulations fellas. This feels like you got revenge on us for Kevin O'Neill, getting our hopes high, only to have them smashed.

Back to the bubble watch for us the next year or two.

This says it all about why we should be thankful this didn't happen.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 01, 2014, 12:00:46 AM
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh

Color has nothing to do with it.  Questionable recruiting and coaching skills are why I wasn't in favor of him.  Nonetheless, I wish him the best at Tennessee, because he's going to need it now that all of his talent is gone.  My guess is that the petition comes back in the middle of SEC play.  
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Markusquette on April 01, 2014, 12:01:22 AM
I am holding out hope there is a total mystery candidate still, but sounds like Wojo.  
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Tums Festival on April 01, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh

You had to go there?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Marquette Fan in WI on April 01, 2014, 12:02:39 AM
(http://dailygumboot.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mystman.jpg)
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: AshyLarry on April 01, 2014, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: MUSF on March 31, 2014, 11:56:29 PM
What about expelled?

I knew using that reference would entice a few side comments.  I was hoping for an extra haiku, Keefe!  I'm just too burnt out from this last week or so to come up with my own.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: texaswarrior74 on April 01, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
Just no wojo, please!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:04:20 AM
Quote from: Farley36 on April 01, 2014, 12:00:20 AM
This says it all about why we should be thankful this didn't happen.

Yeah, because fans are always rational when it comes to assessing their coaches and players.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 01, 2014, 12:05:07 AM
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:04:20 AM
Yeah, because fans are always rational when it comes to assessing their coaches and players.

We are!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.

I would expect an announcement tomorrow.

Is it Wojo or Howland?

Smart $$$ is on Wojo
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 01, 2014, 12:07:38 AM
Oh, honey.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: denverMU on April 01, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.

I would expect an announcement tomorrow.

Is it Wojo or Howland?

Smart $$$ is on Wojo

I would concur.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: amen426 on April 01, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Removing your name from consideration, is not the same as "passing" on a job offer. No where in this story does it say that Martin was offered the job, or was the top candidate (remaining) for the job.

I won't even begin to make a prediction on who will get the job. Still holding out hope for Howland, but that certainly appears to be unrealistic at this point.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 01, 2014, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: amen426 on April 01, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Removing your name from consideration, is not the same as "passing" on a job offer. No where in this story does it say that Martin was offered the job, or was the top candidate (remaining) for the job.

I won't even begin to make a prediction on who will get the job. Still holding out hope for Howland, but that certainly appears to be unrealistic at this point.


It would have been interesting if MU did this as payback for Kevin Oneill. 
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:12:34 AM
Just like when Howland removed his name because we were hiring Shaka...
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: amen426 on April 01, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
When did Howland remove his name?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: StillWarriors on April 01, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
I won't pre-judge Wojo before he even has a chance to show what he can do if he is the one, but I am concerned that he won't be the type of hire that will keep recruits on board. Truly, that is the biggest disappointment with the whole Shaka fiasco; I feel pretty confident he would have kept the incoming class. Can't fault Cords etc.., they made a strong play for him.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: jesmu84 on April 01, 2014, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.

I would expect an announcement tomorrow.

Is it Wojo or Howland?

Smart $$$ is on Wojo

I'm going with this too. Nice, TAMU.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
Not good...regardless of your opinion on Martin.  The perception will be that we were rejected now by two coaches (even if the first was a reach).  We'd better land someone this week before the tourney is over and people start to focus on why we can't find a coach who wants to come to Marquette (or how toxic Howland must be...if that's really the case).  Perception can become reality if we (and the Big East) don't create some noise.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: mufansince72 on April 01, 2014, 12:19:21 AM
Kind of bummed out, I wanted Cuonzo!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2014, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
Some Mental Masturbation tonight, Commons?

Nah. Great consideration and contemplation. Not for naught. Because I sincerely care about this university and its basketball program.

Shallow at its absolute worst level. Higher level concern at its highest. But not masturbatory.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2014, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
Not good...regardless of your opinion on Martin.  The perception will be that we were rejected now by two coaches (even if the first was a reach).  We'd better land someone this week before the tourney is over and people start to focus on why we can't find a coach who wants to come to Marquette (or how toxic Howland must be...if that's really the case).  Perception can become reality if we (and the Big East) don't create some noise.

No one cares.

Patience is a virtue.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh

What the unnatural carnal knowledge?

Did you see how ecstatic this fan base was about Shaka Smart?  Did I miss something, or is Shaka Smart not an African American coach?  Of course he is.

The nonsense with race...Jesus H.   The MU community would have done cartwheels for Smart.  Please don't confuse questions about a particular person as an indictment.  That's a big problem we have nationally where you can't question certain things without that BS race nonsense thrown out.  Has nothing to do with it. 
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 01, 2014, 12:26:49 AM
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
Not good...regardless of your opinion on Martin.  The perception will be that we were rejected now by two coaches (even if the first was a reach).  We'd better land someone this week before the tourney is over and people start to focus on why we can't find a coach who wants to come to Marquette (or how toxic Howland must be...if that's really the case).  Perception can become reality if we (and the Big East) don't create some noise.

Only the weakminded care what others think of themselves. 
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2014, 12:29:36 AM
Marquette University and Loyola-Chicago did a great deal of heavy lifting to advance the role of African Americans in college basketball.

AMDG.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:33:57 AM
Sounds like the mindset of someone settling for playing in a mid major conference.  The new Big East is in its infancy right now.  The words out that we already lost a successful coach due to dissatisfaction with new league and TV deal.  The Big East performed pretty dreadfully in its first tourney.  I'd be very concerned about what others think of us and the league right now.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Eldon on April 01, 2014, 12:35:15 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.

I would expect an announcement tomorrow.

Is it Wojo or Howland?

Smart $$$ is on Wojo

I think this is right, sadly (sad about missing out on Howland)
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:37:02 AM
Of course, hiring wojo this week would probably stem to tide.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:33:57 AM
Sounds like the mindset of someone settling for playing in a mid major conference.  The new Big East is in its infancy right now.  The words out that we already lost a successful coach due to dissatisfaction with new league and TV deal.  The Big East performed pretty dreadfully in its first tourney.  I'd be very concerned about what others think of us and the league right now.

Maybe, but that is no reason to make rash decisions. I hope MU wouldn't just rush to failure because they are worried about outside perceptions. When Buzz was hired I questioned the process, but I also said that it's never too soon to hire the right person. In this case, the inverse is also true.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2014, 12:38:25 AM
Quote from: StillWarriors on April 01, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
I won't pre-judge Wojo before he even has a chance to show what he can do if he is the one, but I am concerned that he won't be the type of hire that will keep recruits on board. Truly, that is the biggest disappointment with the whole Shaka fiasco; I feel pretty confident he would have kept the incoming class. Can't fault Cords etc.., they made a strong play for him.

Would it make you feel better if you knew that Wojo already had pre-existing positive relationships with 3/4 of the recruits? I don't think Duke offered any of them, but they did sniff around to see what was there. And who did Duke send to do the sniffing?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Milwarriorkee on April 01, 2014, 12:40:08 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.

I would expect an announcement tomorrow.

Is it Wojo or Howland?

Smart $$$ is on Wojo

IT'S HAPPENING!  Cue Ron Paul gif.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 12:41:20 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:38:25 AM
Would it make you feel better if you knew that Wojo already had pre-existing positive relationships with 3/4 of the recruits? I don't think Duke offered any of them, but they did sniff around to see what was there. And who did Duke send to do the sniffing?

Wojo is a sniffer?


Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2014, 12:46:34 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 12:41:20 AM
Wojo is a sniffer?




Yes! Not like sniffing glue or drugs or something. Like a sniffer who finds talent! Like one of those pigs who finds truffles or something...this metaphor is breaking down...crap...it's a simile
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:38:25 AM
Would it make you feel better if you knew that Wojo already had pre-existing positive relationships with 3/4 of the recruits? I don't think Duke offered any of them, but they did sniff around to see what was there. And who did Duke send to do the sniffing?

It's more likely that Wojo's relationship with Doc is a bigger factor here. This is pure speculation, but I would assume Austin playing at Duke is a factor here.

My concern about Wojo would be his ability to recruit without the Duke brand and his daddy Coach K there to seal the deal. He could be great, but you never know how assistants will handle the transition.

My second concern is longevity, but that is always an unknown. See Williams, Buzz.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2014, 12:49:39 AM
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
It's more likely that Wojo's relationship with Doc is a bigger factor here. This is pure speculation, but I would assume Austin playing at Duke is a factor here.

My concern about Wojo would be his ability to recruit without the Duke brand and his daddy Coach K there to seal the deal. He could be great, but you never know how assistants will handle the transition.

My second concern is longevity, but that is always an unknown. See Williams, Buzz.

Oh I'm sure Doc is in play. I was just responding to a scooper who was considered about recruits bailing if we hire Wojo.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:49:48 AM
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
Maybe, but that is no reason to make rash decisions. I hope MU wouldn't just rush to failure because they are worried about outside perceptions. When Buzz was hired I questioned the process, but I also said that it's never too soon to hire the right person. In this case, the inverse is also true.

Whatever happens, plan C better not withdraw.  
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2014, 12:50:43 AM
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:49:48 AM
Whatever happens, plan C better not withdraw.  

Cuonzo was plan C. Plan B is still in play
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:50:56 AM
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
It's more likely that Wojo's relationship with Doc is a bigger factor here. This is pure speculation, but I would assume Austin playing at Duke is a factor here.

My concern about Wojo would be his ability to recruit without the Duke brand and his daddy Coach K there to seal the deal. He could be great, but you never know how assistants will handle the transition.

My second concern is longevity, but that is always an unknown. See Williams, Buzz.

Who?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:51:43 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:50:43 AM
Cuonzo was plan C. Plan B is still in play

Nope, Cuonzo was plan B.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: AZWarrior on April 01, 2014, 12:52:10 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:50:56 AM
Who?

I think he's referring to Brett.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: jesmu84 on April 01, 2014, 12:55:19 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:51:43 AM
Nope, Cuonzo was plan B.

So you think Cuonzo was the current number 1 candidate for MU? And Cuonzo was the one who walked away?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 01, 2014, 12:55:19 AM
So you think Cuonzo was the current number 1 candidate for MU? And Cuonzo was the one who walked away?

1) Shaka 2) Cuonzo. I am not my own source. And neither were a done deal.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: NotBuzzWilliams on April 01, 2014, 01:22:03 AM
Based on the title, I thought he died...
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: jesmu84 on April 01, 2014, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
1) Shaka 2) Cuonzo. I am not my own source. And neither were a done deal.

Misunderstood your first post. My bad. I was going off the current lineup, not from the very beginning of the search
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on April 01, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 12:25:10 AM
What the unnatural carnal knowledge?

Did you see how ecstatic this fan base was about Shaka Smart?  Did I miss something, or is Shaka Smart not an African American coach?  Of course he is.

The nonsense with race...Jesus H.   The MU community would have done cartwheels for Smart.  Please don't confuse questions about a particular person as an indictment.  That's a big problem we have nationally where you can't question certain things without that BS race nonsense thrown out.  Has nothing to do with it.  
It has EVERYTHING to do with it sometimes for some kids.

Ditto from those who run from the topic of race...it exists! Deal with it.

It is a factor. They hire Wojo...I'm done.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Groin_pull on April 01, 2014, 05:13:16 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Mid-Major.

This is becoming the hard cruel reality.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Jay Bee on April 01, 2014, 05:29:28 AM
Ben Ben!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Wade for President on April 01, 2014, 05:36:26 AM
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh

Now that Martin is out of the running, hopefully atk13thst will go away.  You have been insufferable.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Old Timer 71 on April 01, 2014, 05:46:18 AM
I'm afraid that Buzz is right.  The "Little East" conference is the biggest problem we have.  We are now a "stepping stone" school for a young coach or a final home for aging ex-coaches.  We just can't attract high profile coaches regardless of how high the budget is.  Perception is everything. 
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: avid1010 on April 01, 2014, 06:24:00 AM
Quote from: Old Timer 71 on April 01, 2014, 05:46:18 AM
I'm afraid that Buzz is right.  The "Little East" conference is the biggest problem we have.  We are now a "stepping stone" school for a young coach or a final home for aging ex-coaches.  We just can't attract high profile coaches regardless of how high the budget is.  Perception is everything. 
like last time we lost a coach to IU after going to a final four and were in the best conference ever...then hired buzz after getting turned down by a number of coaches.

i don't believe the conference has much to do with it.  i can't think of a reason other than pure stupidity that we don't hire howland, but i guess i just have to trust cords, doc, and co.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: willie warrior on April 01, 2014, 06:25:23 AM
Regardless of the reason he withdrew, we didn't want him, he didn't want us or there were other issues, what does this say for our search? A bunch of clown amateurs! I want MU to get an impact hire, not some Coach K butt wiper, which it now appears the direction.

What the hell is going on here? Are we that low on the college food chain? If so, go D3 where we can rule. This is not what a real fan wants for MU, but something is sorely missing here. Continuing to hope we can "strike gold" with an assistant really sucks. Impact hire? BS

Might as well settle on Wardle, Cords Team, because you are continuing to dork around, losing precious time. Hell, go for Wardle's assistant. He can learn on the job, and you can get on the cheap.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: VolFan on April 01, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
Enjoy Wojo!! I'd rather have Zo any day of the week!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: connie on April 01, 2014, 07:20:19 AM
Quote from: VolFan on April 01, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
Enjoy Wojo!! I'd rather have Zo any day of the week!
Remember to take your name off the "fire Cuonzo" petition.  Only 34,999 of you to go!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: chapman on April 01, 2014, 07:24:37 AM
No April Fool's?  I'M SO HAPPY!

(http://media.tumblr.com/92963b91077c8569bde848ab626ebc9f/tumblr_inline_mgnd0i21eY1qcn3a6.gif)


Quote from: brandx on March 31, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Not always true, but often guys pull out if they think someone else will be chosen for a job they want.

Very likely the case here.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: NickelDimer on April 01, 2014, 07:25:00 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.

I would expect an announcement tomorrow.

Is it Wojo or Howland?

Smart $$$ is on Wojo
If by smart $$$ you mean moronically spent $$$, then I agree
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: NickelDimer on April 01, 2014, 07:25:32 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 01, 2014, 05:29:28 AM
Ben Ben!

Yep yep. Come full circle with it.  Save major face
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Beer Brats Bags on April 01, 2014, 07:36:05 AM
Somewhere atk13thst jumps off a building. The entire muscoop community rejoices.

Just to spite him, I hope it's Wojo
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: SuddenSam on April 01, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
Wise move by Cuonzo, if he gets passed by MU (not the other way around) he is definitely in a world of hurt at Tenn.  Fan base base and admin. could not be real excited about him going forward, had he taken it to the mat at MU.  Good for him, good for us.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: humanlung on April 01, 2014, 07:40:25 AM
Quote from: Eldon on March 31, 2014, 11:40:42 PM
Howland.  Now!

F'in A!  About time, too.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: NavinRJohnson on April 01, 2014, 07:57:08 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 01, 2014, 05:29:28 AM
Ben Ben!

It seems like this ship has sailed, but then again, Goodman still mentions him in everything he writes, so it would seem he may still be in play. Dude's been on the money where this search is concerned.

I still contend they subjected themselves to the 'Rooney Rule' and have been making a concerted effort to target minority candidates (In truth, I'd be willing to bet they have some sort of diversity policy that more or less dictates that they do so).  Smart was kept very quiet, while everyone knew they were meeting with Cuonzo before it even happened. Why is that? I don't doubt it was sincere, and Smart is obviously a premium candidate who just happens to be black, but I don't see any way they would have just hired Howland without goings through that 'due diligence.'

I am letting my cynical side show, or perhaps its just the wishful thinking side hoping they announce Howland tomorrow.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
I've been saying HIRE HOWLAND from the beginning.

Get it done!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: willie warrior on April 01, 2014, 08:10:26 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
I've been saying HIRE HOWLAND from the beginning.

Get it done!
Agreed, but knowing MU, they will somehow snatch poop from the plate of sirloin.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on April 01, 2014, 08:14:44 AM
But, but, but....what will become of the Martin slurpers?!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on April 01, 2014, 08:17:14 AM
Question - what if....just what if.....MU did what all of us Howland fans hoped for all along. That is...they identified a number of candidates, spoke to them, then finalized who was "best" and went with that person (or the next one, or the next).

Smart was obviously #1. Then you got nothing definitive since then on who a #2 choice is. So....perhaps...they decided to move on Howland and let Martin save face?

God, I hope so. But I'm not willing to say MU is that smart.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: MU Beaver on April 01, 2014, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
I've been saying HIRE HOWLAND from the beginning.

Get it done!

It is pretty clear that Howland has WAY to much negative baggage. I mean he didn't even get the Depaul job that he wanted. They hired Oliver instead. That SI article will not allow him to get above a low-major job ever again. He might as well go the Sampson route and be an NBA assistant!!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: NavinRJohnson on April 01, 2014, 08:21:15 AM
Quote from: MU Beaver on April 01, 2014, 08:17:54 AM
I mean he didn't even get the Depaul job that he wanted. They hired Oliver instead.

Good grief. DePaul offered him like $20Million whole he was at UCLA.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 01, 2014, 08:30:09 AM
Why are you a Marquette fan - you should just leave, find a new team, at least do us a favor and stop posting the same f'ing drivel.


Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2014, 08:10:26 AM
Agreed, but knowing MU, they will somehow snatch poop from the plate of sirloin.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: hairy worthen on April 01, 2014, 08:32:27 AM
Why in the hell can't they just get Howland already. The guy wants to be here and would likely stay. No one else available has his track record of success.  If the questionable past is a concern, write some incentives into the contract and make sure he has over sight and is accountable, not that hard.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Texas Western on April 01, 2014, 08:36:23 AM
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on April 01, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
It has EVERYTHING to do with it sometimes for some kids.

Ditto from those who run from the topic of race...it exists! Deal with it.

It is a factor. They hire Wojo...I'm done.
I agree with you.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: VolFan on April 01, 2014, 08:36:34 AM
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2014, 07:20:19 AM
Remember to take your name off the "fire Cuonzo" petition.  Only 34,999 of you to go!

Just for the record, I did not sign that, but apparently Elvis Presley and Hitler among others did!
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: NavinRJohnson on April 01, 2014, 08:38:04 AM
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on April 01, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
They hire Wojo...I'm done.

What exactly does that mean?
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: VolFan on April 01, 2014, 08:39:08 AM
Serious question:  would you guys rather have Martin or Wojo?  I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on April 01, 2014, 08:17:14 AM
Question - what if....just what if.....MU did what all of us Howland fans hoped for all along. That is...they identified a number of candidates, spoke to them, then finalized who was "best" and went with that person (or the next one, or the next).

Smart was obviously #1. Then you got nothing definitive since then on who a #2 choice is. So....perhaps...they decided to move on Howland and let Martin save face?

God, I hope so. But I'm not willing to say MU is that smart.


That's my hope, and I'm sticking with it until I see some definitive source that says Howland is out of the mix. 
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Tums Festival on April 01, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
"Ben"

Ben, the two of us need look no more
We both found what we were looking for
With a friend to call my own
I'll never be alone
And you my friend will see
You've got a friend in me
(You've got a friend in me)

Ben, you're always running here and there
(Here and there)
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
(Anywhere)
If you ever look behind
And don't like what you find
There's something you should know
You've got a place to go
(You've got a place to go)

I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"

Ben, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Ben
(A friend)
Like Ben
(Like Ben)
Like Ben
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: Pakuni on April 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Quote from: hairyworthen on April 01, 2014, 08:32:27 AM
Why in the hell can't they just get Howland already. The guy wants to be here and would likely stay. No one else available has his track record of success.  If the questionable past is a concern, write some incentives into the contract and make sure he has over sight and is accountable, not that hard.

Isn't it fairly obvious by now that Ben comes with a lot of baggage that MU - and apparently a lot of other schools - aren't eager to contend with?
It's not just MU. BC has shown no interest in him. Wazzou passed on him. Wake doesn't seem interested. He could be a candidate at Cal, but it's too soon to see what their intentions are.
The fact is, despite a solid resume, schools are staying away from him, and that's pretty telling.

I'd still be happy if MU hired him, but I can also understand why there's a lot of trepidation.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: bilsu on April 01, 2014, 09:23:06 AM
I did not have a problem with Martin, but yesterday it was posted that Tenn was going to go after theWichita St. coach, if Martin left, and I felt they were getting the better coach. I do not know why we are not going after the Wichita St coach, but I wish we would.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: hairy worthen on April 01, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Isn't it fairly obvious by now that Ben comes with a lot of baggage that MU - and apparently a lot of other schools - aren't eager to contend with?
It's not just MU. BC has shown no interest in him. Wazzou passed on him. Wake doesn't seem interested. He could be a candidate at Cal, but it's too soon to see what their intentions are.
The fact is, despite a solid resume, schools are staying away from him, and that's pretty telling.

I'd still be happy if MU hired him, but I can also understand why there's a lot of trepidation.

Howland has said he wants to be at MU, not sure if he has expressed interest in the other schools you mention. I get that there is trepidation and there should be. He seemed to do ok at Pitt. My point was make him accountable. It takes a program to enable a bad coach. If he did some negative things at UCLA then they let him get away with that or at least let it go on without knowing about it.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: WadeATKBurton on April 01, 2014, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: bilsu on April 01, 2014, 09:23:06 AM
I did not have a problem with Martin, but yesterday it was posted that Tenn was going to go after theWichita St. coach, if Martin left, and I felt they were getting the better coach. I do not know why we are not going after the Wichita St coach, but I wish we would.

He simply dont fit into the plans.  Marquette wants to be big time and Marshall doesnt even go after 4 or 5 star recruits (he admitted it)
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Isn't it fairly obvious by now that Ben comes with a lot of baggage that MU - and apparently a lot of other schools - aren't eager to contend with?
It's not just MU. BC has shown no interest in him. Wazzou passed on him. Wake doesn't seem interested. He could be a candidate at Cal, but it's too soon to see what their intentions are.
The fact is, despite a solid resume, schools are staying away from him, and that's pretty telling.

I'd still be happy if MU hired him, but I can also understand why there's a lot of trepidation.

Wazzou didn't pass on Howland, no way in hell Howland would even be considered for that job.  Howland isn't stupid, that's a dead end job up there.
Title: Re: Cuonzo passed
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 01, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 01, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
"Ben"

Ben, the two of us need look no more
We both found what we were looking for
With a friend to call my own
I'll never be alone
And you my friend will see
You've got a friend in me
(You've got a friend in me)

Ben, you're always running here and there
(Here and there)
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
(Anywhere)
If you ever look behind
And don't like what you find
There's something you should know
You've got a place to go
(You've got a place to go)

I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"

Ben, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Ben
(A friend)
Like Ben
(Like Ben)
Like Ben


So you are calling Howland a rat?
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