Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS
Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin has removed himself from consideration at Marquette, a source told @CBSSports. Story coming ...
Yuck.
#WojoWatch
That was a close one.
Mid-Major.
Howland. Now!
Damn, Damn, Damn, DAMN!
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24509744/tennessees-cuonzo-martin-removes-name-from-marquette-consideration
Here's the story
Strike two...thankfully.
Not always true, but often guys pull out if they think someone else will be chosen for a job they want.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
Damn, Damn, Damn, DAMN!
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No Wojo NO WOJO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Quote from: brandx on March 31, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Not always true, but often guys pull out if they think someone else will be chosen for a job they want.
Or Marquette allowed him to write the story, rather than the press release indicating Marquette has their sights set on a bigger target....?
Quote from: MULS1999 on March 31, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS
Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin has removed himself from consideration at Marquette, a source told @CBSSports. Story coming ...
"You can't not offer me the Marquette job, Cords, because I won't take it even if you did want me!"
Quote from: AshyLarry on March 31, 2014, 11:44:42 PM
Or Marquette allowed him to write the story, rather than the press release indicating Marquette has their sights set on a bigger target....?
MU asked Gene Keady about a reference on Martin. I wonder what happened there.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Mid-Major.
He presumably changed his mind after a meeting with the TN AD (https://twitter.com/BBallTimeMag/status/450853077143547904)
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.
I feel relieved. That's all anyone needs to know.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
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Hey Chicos, here's your "educated MU alumni just asking questions". Not a Martin hater at all.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.
I feel relieved. That's all anyone needs to know.
Amen brotha !!!
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
I feel relieved. That's all anyone needs to know.
Some Mental Masturbation tonight, Commons?
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.
I feel relieved. That's all anyone needs to know.
Not disappointed, but I'm also not relieved. Hopefully MU can do better. I think they could certainly do worse.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
MU asked Gene Keady about a reference on Martin. I wonder what happened there.
Makes you wonder....
If they did find something Marquette would still allow him to "pull out" of the running. Maybe this means we are close to a deal with a bigger fish...? This coaching thing is intense!
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 31, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Does anybody feel disappointed? I don't.
I feel relieved. That's all anyone needs to know.
Me too!
Passed? Please.
Quote from: AshyLarry on March 31, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Makes you wonder....
Marquette would still allow him to "pull out"
Withdraw or Pull Out. Either way is fine. Marquette is a Catholic school, after all.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 31, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
MU asked Gene Keady about a reference on Martin. I wonder what happened there.
I'm adding Gene Keady to my Christmas card list.
Quote from: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
Withdraw or Pull Out. Either way is fine. Marquette is a Catholic school, after all.
What about expelled?
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh
Quote from: Heavy Gear on March 31, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
I'm adding Gene Keady to my Christmas card list.
I'll buy the guy hair implants.
Congratulations fellas. This feels like you got revenge on us for Kevin O'Neill, getting our hopes high, only to have them smashed.
Back to the bubble watch for us the next year or two.
Quote from: GoVols on March 31, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
Congratulations fellas. This feels like you got revenge on us for Kevin O'Neill, getting our hopes high, only to have them smashed.
Back to the bubble watch for us the next year or two.
This says it all about why we should be thankful this didn't happen.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh
Color has nothing to do with it. Questionable recruiting and coaching skills are why I wasn't in favor of him. Nonetheless, I wish him the best at Tennessee, because he's going to need it now that all of his talent is gone. My guess is that the petition comes back in the middle of SEC play.
I am holding out hope there is a total mystery candidate still, but sounds like Wojo.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh
You had to go there?
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Quote from: MUSF on March 31, 2014, 11:56:29 PM
What about expelled?
I knew using that reference would entice a few side comments. I was hoping for an extra haiku, Keefe! I'm just too burnt out from this last week or so to come up with my own.
Just no wojo, please!
Quote from: Farley36 on April 01, 2014, 12:00:20 AM
This says it all about why we should be thankful this didn't happen.
Yeah, because fans are always rational when it comes to assessing their coaches and players.
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:04:20 AM
Yeah, because fans are always rational when it comes to assessing their coaches and players.
We are!
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow.
Is it Wojo or Howland?
Smart $$$ is on Wojo
Oh, honey.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow.
Is it Wojo or Howland?
Smart $$$ is on Wojo
I would concur.
Removing your name from consideration, is not the same as "passing" on a job offer. No where in this story does it say that Martin was offered the job, or was the top candidate (remaining) for the job.
I won't even begin to make a prediction on who will get the job. Still holding out hope for Howland, but that certainly appears to be unrealistic at this point.
Quote from: amen426 on April 01, 2014, 12:10:01 AM
Removing your name from consideration, is not the same as "passing" on a job offer. No where in this story does it say that Martin was offered the job, or was the top candidate (remaining) for the job.
I won't even begin to make a prediction on who will get the job. Still holding out hope for Howland, but that certainly appears to be unrealistic at this point.
It would have been interesting if MU did this as payback for Kevin Oneill.
Just like when Howland removed his name because we were hiring Shaka...
When did Howland remove his name?
I won't pre-judge Wojo before he even has a chance to show what he can do if he is the one, but I am concerned that he won't be the type of hire that will keep recruits on board. Truly, that is the biggest disappointment with the whole Shaka fiasco; I feel pretty confident he would have kept the incoming class. Can't fault Cords etc.., they made a strong play for him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow.
Is it Wojo or Howland?
Smart $$$ is on Wojo
I'm going with this too. Nice, TAMU.
Not good...regardless of your opinion on Martin. The perception will be that we were rejected now by two coaches (even if the first was a reach). We'd better land someone this week before the tourney is over and people start to focus on why we can't find a coach who wants to come to Marquette (or how toxic Howland must be...if that's really the case). Perception can become reality if we (and the Big East) don't create some noise.
Kind of bummed out, I wanted Cuonzo!
Quote from: keefe on March 31, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
Some Mental Masturbation tonight, Commons?
Nah. Great consideration and contemplation. Not for naught. Because I sincerely care about this university and its basketball program.
Shallow at its absolute worst level. Higher level concern at its highest. But not masturbatory.
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
Not good...regardless of your opinion on Martin. The perception will be that we were rejected now by two coaches (even if the first was a reach). We'd better land someone this week before the tourney is over and people start to focus on why we can't find a coach who wants to come to Marquette (or how toxic Howland must be...if that's really the case). Perception can become reality if we (and the Big East) don't create some noise.
No one cares.
Patience is a virtue.
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh
What the unnatural carnal knowledge?
Did you see how ecstatic this fan base was about Shaka Smart? Did I miss something, or is Shaka Smart not an African American coach? Of course he is.
The nonsense with race...Jesus H. The MU community would have done cartwheels for Smart. Please don't confuse questions about a particular person as an indictment. That's a big problem we have nationally where you can't question certain things without that BS race nonsense thrown out. Has nothing to do with it.
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
Not good...regardless of your opinion on Martin. The perception will be that we were rejected now by two coaches (even if the first was a reach). We'd better land someone this week before the tourney is over and people start to focus on why we can't find a coach who wants to come to Marquette (or how toxic Howland must be...if that's really the case). Perception can become reality if we (and the Big East) don't create some noise.
Only the weakminded care what others think of themselves.
Marquette University and Loyola-Chicago did a great deal of heavy lifting to advance the role of African Americans in college basketball.
AMDG.
Sounds like the mindset of someone settling for playing in a mid major conference. The new Big East is in its infancy right now. The words out that we already lost a successful coach due to dissatisfaction with new league and TV deal. The Big East performed pretty dreadfully in its first tourney. I'd be very concerned about what others think of us and the league right now.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow.
Is it Wojo or Howland?
Smart $$$ is on Wojo
I think this is right, sadly (sad about missing out on Howland)
Of course, hiring wojo this week would probably stem to tide.
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:33:57 AM
Sounds like the mindset of someone settling for playing in a mid major conference. The new Big East is in its infancy right now. The words out that we already lost a successful coach due to dissatisfaction with new league and TV deal. The Big East performed pretty dreadfully in its first tourney. I'd be very concerned about what others think of us and the league right now.
Maybe, but that is no reason to make rash decisions. I hope MU wouldn't just rush to failure because they are worried about outside perceptions. When Buzz was hired I questioned the process, but I also said that it's never too soon to hire the right person. In this case, the inverse is also true.
Quote from: StillWarriors on April 01, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
I won't pre-judge Wojo before he even has a chance to show what he can do if he is the one, but I am concerned that he won't be the type of hire that will keep recruits on board. Truly, that is the biggest disappointment with the whole Shaka fiasco; I feel pretty confident he would have kept the incoming class. Can't fault Cords etc.., they made a strong play for him.
Would it make you feel better if you knew that Wojo already had pre-existing positive relationships with 3/4 of the recruits? I don't think Duke offered any of them, but they did sniff around to see what was there. And who did Duke send to do the sniffing?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow.
Is it Wojo or Howland?
Smart $$$ is on Wojo
IT'S HAPPENING! Cue Ron Paul gif.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:38:25 AM
Would it make you feel better if you knew that Wojo already had pre-existing positive relationships with 3/4 of the recruits? I don't think Duke offered any of them, but they did sniff around to see what was there. And who did Duke send to do the sniffing?
Wojo is a sniffer?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 12:41:20 AM
Wojo is a sniffer?
Yes! Not like sniffing glue or drugs or something. Like a sniffer who finds talent! Like one of those pigs who finds truffles or something...this metaphor is breaking down...crap...it's a simile
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:38:25 AM
Would it make you feel better if you knew that Wojo already had pre-existing positive relationships with 3/4 of the recruits? I don't think Duke offered any of them, but they did sniff around to see what was there. And who did Duke send to do the sniffing?
It's more likely that Wojo's relationship with Doc is a bigger factor here. This is pure speculation, but I would assume Austin playing at Duke is a factor here.
My concern about Wojo would be his ability to recruit without the Duke brand and his daddy Coach K there to seal the deal. He could be great, but you never know how assistants will handle the transition.
My second concern is longevity, but that is always an unknown. See Williams, Buzz.
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
It's more likely that Wojo's relationship with Doc is a bigger factor here. This is pure speculation, but I would assume Austin playing at Duke is a factor here.
My concern about Wojo would be his ability to recruit without the Duke brand and his daddy Coach K there to seal the deal. He could be great, but you never know how assistants will handle the transition.
My second concern is longevity, but that is always an unknown. See Williams, Buzz.
Oh I'm sure Doc is in play. I was just responding to a scooper who was considered about recruits bailing if we hire Wojo.
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
Maybe, but that is no reason to make rash decisions. I hope MU wouldn't just rush to failure because they are worried about outside perceptions. When Buzz was hired I questioned the process, but I also said that it's never too soon to hire the right person. In this case, the inverse is also true.
Whatever happens, plan C better not withdraw.
Quote from: rabid652 on April 01, 2014, 12:49:48 AM
Whatever happens, plan C better not withdraw.
Cuonzo was plan C. Plan B is still in play
Quote from: MUSF on April 01, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
It's more likely that Wojo's relationship with Doc is a bigger factor here. This is pure speculation, but I would assume Austin playing at Duke is a factor here.
My concern about Wojo would be his ability to recruit without the Duke brand and his daddy Coach K there to seal the deal. He could be great, but you never know how assistants will handle the transition.
My second concern is longevity, but that is always an unknown. See Williams, Buzz.
Who?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:50:43 AM
Cuonzo was plan C. Plan B is still in play
Nope, Cuonzo was plan B.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:51:43 AM
Nope, Cuonzo was plan B.
So you think Cuonzo was the current number 1 candidate for MU? And Cuonzo was the one who walked away?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 01, 2014, 12:55:19 AM
So you think Cuonzo was the current number 1 candidate for MU? And Cuonzo was the one who walked away?
1) Shaka 2) Cuonzo. I am not my own source. And neither were a done deal.
Based on the title, I thought he died...
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
1) Shaka 2) Cuonzo. I am not my own source. And neither were a done deal.
Misunderstood your first post. My bad. I was going off the current lineup, not from the very beginning of the search
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2014, 12:25:10 AM
What the unnatural carnal knowledge?
Did you see how ecstatic this fan base was about Shaka Smart? Did I miss something, or is Shaka Smart not an African American coach? Of course he is.
The nonsense with race...Jesus H. The MU community would have done cartwheels for Smart. Please don't confuse questions about a particular person as an indictment. That's a big problem we have nationally where you can't question certain things without that BS race nonsense thrown out. Has nothing to do with it.
It has EVERYTHING to do with it sometimes for some kids.
Ditto from those who run from the topic of race...it exists! Deal with it.
It is a factor. They hire Wojo...I'm done.
Ben Ben!
Quote from: atk13thst on March 31, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
You guys have your wish. No Black coach smh
Now that Martin is out of the running, hopefully atk13thst will go away. You have been insufferable.
I'm afraid that Buzz is right. The "Little East" conference is the biggest problem we have. We are now a "stepping stone" school for a young coach or a final home for aging ex-coaches. We just can't attract high profile coaches regardless of how high the budget is. Perception is everything.
Quote from: Old Timer 71 on April 01, 2014, 05:46:18 AM
I'm afraid that Buzz is right. The "Little East" conference is the biggest problem we have. We are now a "stepping stone" school for a young coach or a final home for aging ex-coaches. We just can't attract high profile coaches regardless of how high the budget is. Perception is everything.
like last time we lost a coach to IU after going to a final four and were in the best conference ever...then hired buzz after getting turned down by a number of coaches.
i don't believe the conference has much to do with it. i can't think of a reason other than pure stupidity that we don't hire howland, but i guess i just have to trust cords, doc, and co.
Regardless of the reason he withdrew, we didn't want him, he didn't want us or there were other issues, what does this say for our search? A bunch of clown amateurs! I want MU to get an impact hire, not some Coach K butt wiper, which it now appears the direction.
What the hell is going on here? Are we that low on the college food chain? If so, go D3 where we can rule. This is not what a real fan wants for MU, but something is sorely missing here. Continuing to hope we can "strike gold" with an assistant really sucks. Impact hire? BS
Might as well settle on Wardle, Cords Team, because you are continuing to dork around, losing precious time. Hell, go for Wardle's assistant. He can learn on the job, and you can get on the cheap.
Enjoy Wojo!! I'd rather have Zo any day of the week!
Quote from: VolFan on April 01, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
Enjoy Wojo!! I'd rather have Zo any day of the week!
Remember to take your name off the "fire Cuonzo" petition. Only 34,999 of you to go!
No April Fool's? I'M SO HAPPY!
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Quote from: brandx on March 31, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Not always true, but often guys pull out if they think someone else will be chosen for a job they want.
Very likely the case here.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
My take on this is that MU made it's decision and it's not Martin. Martin "withdrew" to save face with Tennessee.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow.
Is it Wojo or Howland?
Smart $$$ is on Wojo
If by smart $$$ you mean moronically spent $$$, then I agree
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 01, 2014, 05:29:28 AM
Ben Ben!
Yep yep. Come full circle with it. Save major face
Somewhere atk13thst jumps off a building. The entire muscoop community rejoices.
Just to spite him, I hope it's Wojo
Wise move by Cuonzo, if he gets passed by MU (not the other way around) he is definitely in a world of hurt at Tenn. Fan base base and admin. could not be real excited about him going forward, had he taken it to the mat at MU. Good for him, good for us.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 01, 2014, 05:29:28 AM
Ben Ben!
It seems like this ship has sailed, but then again, Goodman still mentions him in everything he writes, so it would seem he may still be in play. Dude's been on the money where this search is concerned.
I still contend they subjected themselves to the 'Rooney Rule' and have been making a concerted effort to target minority candidates (In truth, I'd be willing to bet they have some sort of diversity policy that more or less dictates that they do so). Smart was kept very quiet, while everyone knew they were meeting with Cuonzo before it even happened. Why is that? I don't doubt it was sincere, and Smart is obviously a premium candidate who just happens to be black, but I don't see any way they would have just hired Howland without goings through that 'due diligence.'
I am letting my cynical side show, or perhaps its just the wishful thinking side hoping they announce Howland tomorrow.
I've been saying HIRE HOWLAND from the beginning.
Get it done!
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
I've been saying HIRE HOWLAND from the beginning.
Get it done!
Agreed, but knowing MU, they will somehow snatch poop from the plate of sirloin.
But, but, but....what will become of the Martin slurpers?!
Question - what if....just what if.....MU did what all of us Howland fans hoped for all along. That is...they identified a number of candidates, spoke to them, then finalized who was "best" and went with that person (or the next one, or the next).
Smart was obviously #1. Then you got nothing definitive since then on who a #2 choice is. So....perhaps...they decided to move on Howland and let Martin save face?
God, I hope so. But I'm not willing to say MU is that smart.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 01, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
I've been saying HIRE HOWLAND from the beginning.
Get it done!
It is pretty clear that Howland has WAY to much negative baggage. I mean he didn't even get the Depaul job that he wanted. They hired Oliver instead. That SI article will not allow him to get above a low-major job ever again. He might as well go the Sampson route and be an NBA assistant!!
Quote from: MU Beaver on April 01, 2014, 08:17:54 AM
I mean he didn't even get the Depaul job that he wanted. They hired Oliver instead.
Good grief. DePaul offered him like $20Million whole he was at UCLA.
Why are you a Marquette fan - you should just leave, find a new team, at least do us a favor and stop posting the same f'ing drivel.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2014, 08:10:26 AM
Agreed, but knowing MU, they will somehow snatch poop from the plate of sirloin.
Why in the hell can't they just get Howland already. The guy wants to be here and would likely stay. No one else available has his track record of success. If the questionable past is a concern, write some incentives into the contract and make sure he has over sight and is accountable, not that hard.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on April 01, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
It has EVERYTHING to do with it sometimes for some kids.
Ditto from those who run from the topic of race...it exists! Deal with it.
It is a factor. They hire Wojo...I'm done.
I agree with you.
Quote from: connie on April 01, 2014, 07:20:19 AM
Remember to take your name off the "fire Cuonzo" petition. Only 34,999 of you to go!
Just for the record, I did not sign that, but apparently Elvis Presley and Hitler among others did!
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on April 01, 2014, 01:47:15 AM
They hire Wojo...I'm done.
What exactly does that mean?
Serious question: would you guys rather have Martin or Wojo? I'll hang up and listen.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on April 01, 2014, 08:17:14 AM
Question - what if....just what if.....MU did what all of us Howland fans hoped for all along. That is...they identified a number of candidates, spoke to them, then finalized who was "best" and went with that person (or the next one, or the next).
Smart was obviously #1. Then you got nothing definitive since then on who a #2 choice is. So....perhaps...they decided to move on Howland and let Martin save face?
God, I hope so. But I'm not willing to say MU is that smart.
That's my hope, and I'm sticking with it until I see some definitive source that says Howland is out of the mix.
"Ben"
Ben, the two of us need look no more
We both found what we were looking for
With a friend to call my own
I'll never be alone
And you my friend will see
You've got a friend in me
(You've got a friend in me)
Ben, you're always running here and there
(Here and there)
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
(Anywhere)
If you ever look behind
And don't like what you find
There's something you should know
You've got a place to go
(You've got a place to go)
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
Ben, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Ben
(A friend)
Like Ben
(Like Ben)
Like Ben
Quote from: hairyworthen on April 01, 2014, 08:32:27 AM
Why in the hell can't they just get Howland already. The guy wants to be here and would likely stay. No one else available has his track record of success. If the questionable past is a concern, write some incentives into the contract and make sure he has over sight and is accountable, not that hard.
Isn't it fairly obvious by now that Ben comes with a lot of baggage that MU - and apparently a lot of other schools - aren't eager to contend with?
It's not just MU. BC has shown no interest in him. Wazzou passed on him. Wake doesn't seem interested. He
could be a candidate at Cal, but it's too soon to see what their intentions are.
The fact is, despite a solid resume, schools are staying away from him, and that's pretty telling.
I'd still be happy if MU hired him, but I can also understand why there's a lot of trepidation.
I did not have a problem with Martin, but yesterday it was posted that Tenn was going to go after theWichita St. coach, if Martin left, and I felt they were getting the better coach. I do not know why we are not going after the Wichita St coach, but I wish we would.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Isn't it fairly obvious by now that Ben comes with a lot of baggage that MU - and apparently a lot of other schools - aren't eager to contend with?
It's not just MU. BC has shown no interest in him. Wazzou passed on him. Wake doesn't seem interested. He could be a candidate at Cal, but it's too soon to see what their intentions are.
The fact is, despite a solid resume, schools are staying away from him, and that's pretty telling.
I'd still be happy if MU hired him, but I can also understand why there's a lot of trepidation.
Howland has said he wants to be at MU, not sure if he has expressed interest in the other schools you mention. I get that there is trepidation and there should be. He seemed to do ok at Pitt. My point was make him accountable. It takes a program to enable a bad coach. If he did some negative things at UCLA then they let him get away with that or at least let it go on without knowing about it.
Quote from: bilsu on April 01, 2014, 09:23:06 AM
I did not have a problem with Martin, but yesterday it was posted that Tenn was going to go after theWichita St. coach, if Martin left, and I felt they were getting the better coach. I do not know why we are not going after the Wichita St coach, but I wish we would.
He simply dont fit into the plans. Marquette wants to be big time and Marshall doesnt even go after 4 or 5 star recruits (he admitted it)
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Isn't it fairly obvious by now that Ben comes with a lot of baggage that MU - and apparently a lot of other schools - aren't eager to contend with?
It's not just MU. BC has shown no interest in him. Wazzou passed on him. Wake doesn't seem interested. He could be a candidate at Cal, but it's too soon to see what their intentions are.
The fact is, despite a solid resume, schools are staying away from him, and that's pretty telling.
I'd still be happy if MU hired him, but I can also understand why there's a lot of trepidation.
Wazzou didn't pass on Howland, no way in hell Howland would even be considered for that job. Howland isn't stupid, that's a dead end job up there.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on April 01, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
"Ben"
Ben, the two of us need look no more
We both found what we were looking for
With a friend to call my own
I'll never be alone
And you my friend will see
You've got a friend in me
(You've got a friend in me)
Ben, you're always running here and there
(Here and there)
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
(Anywhere)
If you ever look behind
And don't like what you find
There's something you should know
You've got a place to go
(You've got a place to go)
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
Ben, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Ben
(A friend)
Like Ben
(Like Ben)
Like Ben
So you are calling Howland a rat?