Lovell looks to be an good choice for President. He understands what it takes to appeal to the corporate and institutional world and thus will do well building the academic side. However, this basketball coach is his first big decision and a highly public one at that. My years of experience of dealing with corporate types like Lovell is that they go with the no risk, appears good on paper decision. So what that means is that Lovell will base the decision on who HE is comfortable with as opposed to who an 18 year old ghetto kid and their single parent mother is comfortable with. So unfortunately that means no black or high charisma white coaches will get hired. We need a coach who appeals to urban kids, has an urban sensibility and and can recruit in an urban setting which is what we are. If a modern day Al McGuire or John Thompson came along, they would not get hired at MU. Lovell in my mind is our biggest obstacle because the probability is high that he does the wrong thing.
This makes no sense...How do you know what Lovell is like? Plus I really doubt he is the one making the ultimate decisions on the coaching search. Its all Cords.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 31, 2014, 09:09:55 AM
This makes no sense...How do you know what Lovell is like? Plus I really doubt he is the one making the ultimate decisions on the coaching search. Its all Cords.
It's not all Cords
So you're saying that MU is going to hire a moderately charismatic multiracial coach?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 31, 2014, 09:10:43 AM
It's not all Cords
Well maybe, but dont blame Lovell. Blame the BOT. The way you described Lovell is not the person I met.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 31, 2014, 09:12:45 AM
Well maybe, but dont blame Lovell. Blame the BOT. The way you described Lovell is not the person I met.
You said yourself you spent 5 minutes with Lovell. That's not a ton of time. I was happy to read your story about his engagement, I'm not sure how one determines his ability to weigh in on a coach in that 5 minutes.
If you wish, you can read about Lovell on the UWM boards as it relates to basketball....I'm talking about comments made weeks and months ago. Interesting comments.
Quote from: Benny B on March 31, 2014, 09:12:11 AM
So you're saying that MU is going to hire a moderately charismatic multiracial coach?
(http://i.imgur.com/u2560e2.jpg)
Wow, WHOLE lot of assumptions and jumping to conclusions in that original post. The guy has been on the job less than a week and you haven't even met him!
Well, he did come from UWM. Wouldn't it make sense that he wants to bring MU basketball down to their level ala Larry Williams and ND?
Give me a break!
It's posts like this that make one want to ignore Scoop all together...
a) You know next to nothing about the hiring process or Lovell
b) You make a definitive statement "Lovell Is Our Biggest Obstacle"
Good lord...
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
Lovell looks to be an good choice for President. He understands what it takes to appeal to the corporate and institutional world and thus will do well building the academic side. However, this basketball coach is his first big decision and a highly public one at that. My years of experience of dealing with corporate types like Lovell is that they go with the no risk, appears good on paper decision. So what that means is that Lovell will base the decision on who HE is comfortable with as opposed to who an 18 year old ghetto kid and their single parent mother is comfortable with. So unfortunately that means no black or high charisma white coaches will get hired. We need a coach who appeals to urban kids, has an urban sensibility and and can recruit in an urban setting which is what we are. If a modern day Al McGuire or John Thompson came along, they would not get hired at MU. Lovell in my mind is our biggest obstacle because the probability is high that he does the wrong thing.
Dear God, please...someone.. anyone.... burn scoop to the ground
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
Lovell looks to be an good choice for President. He understands what it takes to appeal to the corporate and institutional world and thus will do well building the academic side. However, this basketball coach is his first big decision and a highly public one at that. My years of experience of dealing with corporate types like Lovell is that they go with the no risk, appears good on paper decision. So what that means is that Lovell will base the decision on who HE is comfortable with as opposed to who an 18 year old ghetto kid and their single parent mother is comfortable with. So unfortunately that means no black or high charisma white coaches will get hired. We need a coach who appeals to urban kids, has an urban sensibility and and can recruit in an urban setting which is what we are. If a modern day Al McGuire or John Thompson came along, they would not get hired at MU. Lovell in my mind is our biggest obstacle because the probability is high that he does the wrong thing.
This is completely wrong and I don't know where to begin in correcting it.
If he expects the no-risk hire, why hasn't Howland been signed yet?
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 31, 2014, 09:12:45 AM
Well maybe, but dont blame Lovell. Blame the BOT. The way you described Lovell is not the person I met.
I am not blaming Lovell, I am just putting out what my experience with guys like that is. I met him and guys like Lovell always go for the Wojo's of the world because they will fell comfortable with them, no one can dispute the Duke pedigree etc. Lovell will not have the insight or courage to hire a dynamic street smart guy which is what we need.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:19:18 AM
I am not blaming Lovell, I am just putting out what my experience with guys like that is. I met him and guys like Lovell always go for the Wojo's of the world because they will fell comfortable with them, no one can dispute the Duke pedigree etc. Lovell will not have the insight or courage to hire a dynamic street smart guy which is what we need.
"Guys like Lovell" Thats a reaaalllyyy big assumption.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
Lovell looks to be an good choice for President. He understands what it takes to appeal to the corporate and institutional world and thus will do well building the academic side. However, this basketball coach is his first big decision and a highly public one at that. My years of experience of dealing with corporate types like Lovell is that they go with the no risk, appears good on paper decision. So what that means is that Lovell will base the decision on who HE is comfortable with as opposed to who an 18 year old ghetto kid and their single parent mother is comfortable with. So unfortunately that means no black or high charisma white coaches will get hired. We need a coach who appeals to urban kids, has an urban sensibility and and can recruit in an urban setting which is what we are. If a modern day Al McGuire or John Thompson came along, they would not get hired at MU. Lovell in my mind is our biggest obstacle because the probability is high that he does the wrong thing.
Jumping to conclusions, racism, illogical.
Just what we need more of here. ::)
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:19:18 AM
I am not blaming Lovell, I am just putting out what my experience with guys like that is. I met him and guys like Lovell always go for the Wojo's of the world because they will fell comfortable with them, no one can dispute the Duke pedigree etc. Lovell will not have the insight or courage to hire a dynamic street smart guy which is what we need.
"Guys like Lovell" typically trust their AD enough to do the hiring.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
Lovell looks to be an good choice for President. He understands what it takes to appeal to the corporate and institutional world and thus will do well building the academic side. However, this basketball coach is his first big decision and a highly public one at that. My years of experience of dealing with corporate types like Lovell is that they go with the no risk, appears good on paper decision. So what that means is that Lovell will base the decision on who HE is comfortable with as opposed to who an 18 year old ghetto kid and their single parent mother is comfortable with. So unfortunately that means no black or high charisma white coaches will get hired. We need a coach who appeals to urban kids, has an urban sensibility and and can recruit in an urban setting which is what we are. If a modern day Al McGuire or John Thompson came along, they would not get hired at MU. Lovell in my mind is our biggest obstacle because the probability is high that he does the wrong thing.
Ghetto kid? Seriously man?
Step down off the soapbox. You know nothing about which you speak.
So we can expect a traditional coach?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 09:36:21 AM
Ghetto kid? Seriously man?
Step down off the soapbox. You know nothing about which you speak.
When people say ignorant crap like "ghetto kids," just ignore them and hope everyone else does too. You can't vet everyone that chooses to be a fan of your favorite team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 09:36:21 AM
Ghetto kid? Seriously man?
Step down off the soapbox. You know nothing about which you speak.
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18 year old Ghetto kids are what have dominated college basketball for the past 50 years. We need a coach that appeals to them and can coach them. That is reality and I doubt that Lovell understand thats. When the final announcement is made the first thing that will come out of his mouth is that He is comfortable with the choice. He needs to get out of his comfort zone
Does Chris Columbo need a timeout?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 31, 2014, 09:45:45 AM
When people say ignorant crap like "ghetto kids," just ignore them and hope everyone else does too. You can't vet everyone that chooses to be a fan of your favorite team.
Your just uncomfortable with the truth and reality of college basketball.
Let me explain to you the idea of "ghetto kids." I had a pretty good idea of basketball players and their background. My dad has coached for years and have seen all types of players from his tenure. I take great offense to your comments and just because these kids may be black and from the inner city. In no way represents that they are "ghetto." Lets look at our own team. Steve Taylor is from a neighborhood called Englewood in Chicago. Not the best of places to live but you would be hard pressed to call Steve ghetto. I just had a great conversation with him the other day. Another example Deonte Burton is from inner city Milwaukke but he is not ghetto, in fact he is very intellegent. Ignorant comments like this piss me off to no end.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 09:36:21 AM
Ghetto kid? Seriously man?
Step down off the soapbox. You know nothing about which you speak.
[/quote
18 year old Ghetto kids are what have dominated college basketball for the past 50 years. We need a coach that appeals to them and can coach them. That is reality and I doubt that Lovell understand thats. When the final announcement is made the first thing that will come out of his mouth is that He is comfortable with the choice. He needs to get out of his comfort zone
How do you think you have the slightest clue as to what Lovell is thinking during this hiring process? You are just about the most ignorant poster that I have seen on this board and that is saying a lot. Why don't you just let it play out and then pass judgment.
And since you have so many conclusions about him...who do you think relates to these players you are describing which by the way, I am sure the majority of our kids would take offense to...
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 31, 2014, 09:48:04 AM
Does Chris Columbo need a timeout?
He's close. CC - tone it down. You're just making yourself (and all of us) look bad.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 31, 2014, 09:51:31 AM
Let me explain to you the idea of "ghetto kids." I had a pretty good idea of basketball players and their background. My dad has coached for years and have seen all types of players from his tenure. I take great offense to your comments and just because these kids may be black and from the inner city. In no way represents that they are "ghetto." Lets look at our own team. Steve Taylor is from a neighborhood called Englewood in Chicago. Not the best of places to live but you would be hard pressed to call Steve ghetto. I just had a great conversation with him the other day. Another example Deonte Burton is from inner city Milwaukke but he is not ghetto, in fact he is very intellegent. Ignorant comments like this piss me off to no end.
Hey now... Steve Ghetto was a great basketball coach and contrary to popular belief, it isn't that hard to pick up the phone and reach him.
Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 31, 2014, 09:51:31 AM
Let me explain to you the idea of "ghetto kids." I had a pretty good idea of basketball players and their background. My dad has coached for years and have seen all types of players from his tenure. I take great offense to your comments and just because these kids may be black and from the inner city. In no way represents that they are "ghetto." Lets look at our own team. Steve Taylor is from a neighborhood called Englewood in Chicago. Not the best of places to live but you would be hard pressed to call Steve ghetto. I just had a great conversation with him the other day. Another example Deonte Burton is from inner city Milwaukke but he is not ghetto, in fact he is very intellegent. Ignorant comments like this piss me off to no end.
To clarify Ghetto from my day and age means black innercity, not necessarily thug. And yes what I want is a coach that appeals to Steven Taylor , Deonte Burton etc. AND is comfortable in that setting.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:55:22 AM
To clarify Ghetto from my day and age means black innercity, not necessarily thug. And yes what I want is a coach that appeals to Steven Taylor , Deonte Burton etc. AND is comfortable in that setting.
Your definition is wrong....and racist
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:55:22 AM
To clarify Ghetto from my day and age means black innercity, not necessarily thug. And yes what I want is a coach that appeals to Steven Taylor , Deonte Burton etc. AND is comfortable in that setting.
Well I think it's safe to say that all of our coaching candidates are comfortable coaching kids that have skin colors that aren't just white, so you're in luck. Next topic.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 09:58:36 AM
Your definition is wrong....and racist
You are correct.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 09:58:36 AM
Your definition is wrong....and racist
In no way shape or form does Chris Colombo represent any other poster or representatives from marquette. I'm actually ashamed that he might be a marquette fan. Disgraceful and uneducated poster.
You know a thread is destined for this sort of downward spiral when you click on it and the first post is "this user is currently ignored." Keep up the good work.
Quote from: Chris Columbo on March 31, 2014, 09:08:23 AM
Lovell looks to be an good choice for President. He understands what it takes to appeal to the corporate and institutional world and thus will do well building the academic side. However, this basketball coach is his first big decision and a highly public one at that. My years of experience of dealing with corporate types like Lovell is that they go with the no risk, appears good on paper decision. So what that means is that Lovell will base the decision on who HE is comfortable with as opposed to who an 18 year old ghetto kid and their single parent mother is comfortable with. So unfortunately that means no black or high charisma white coaches will get hired. We need a coach who appeals to urban kids, has an urban sensibility and and can recruit in an urban setting which is what we are. If a modern day Al McGuire or John Thompson came along, they would not get hired at MU. Lovell in my mind is our biggest obstacle because the probability is high that he does the wrong thing.
I don't think I have seen a more overtly racist post on scoop, and the sad thing is I think you have no idea that it is racist.
Quote from: LA on March 31, 2014, 10:05:08 AM
I don't think I have seen a more overtly racist post on scoop, and the sad thing is I think you have no idea that it is racist.
That's what happens when you get old.
Never get old, kids. Your heart dies and your mind withers.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 31, 2014, 09:19:04 AM
If he expects the no-risk hire, why hasn't Howland been signed yet?
Howland's too much of a "
high charisma white coach", I guess.