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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Fullodds on March 25, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
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I have not disappeared
So now I am getting blasted from all corners of the internet. I'm a big boy, I understand that and I can deal with it.
But for some to say I am hiding? That I have disappeared? Not even close. One guy said that yesterday was amateur hour. Really? Amateur? Sorry, I take offense to that.
There was nothing that I tweeted yesterday or that I posted on our premium board that came from a single source. Everything I said was gathered by multiple angles. Not one, not two but multiple.
I have disappeared? I'm hiding? I went to bed at about 2:00am last night and I grabbed my phone when it first went off this morning at 5:45.
I had worked this all day yesterday and am not about to sleep on it today. Every source that I got info from yesterday is trying to get more today, but as of now, all has been quiet.
I will not back down or backtrack from anything I said yesterday. Did things change? Did something go wrong? I do not know, but I will continue to stay on it until I have answers for you.
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?6800-I-have-not-disappeared
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Thanks.
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Not a criticism but that's about the only play he has right now. We'll see, I think things can still go his way but the end of the day will tell the tale.
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He's getting defensive, like an cornered animal.
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He's getting defensive, like an cornered animal.
Yes, but is he being cornered by lions or jackals?
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This is a lot different than "Done Deal"
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There was nothing that I tweeted yesterday or that I posted on our premium board that came from a single source. Everything I said was gathered by multiple angles. Not one, not two but multiple.
I wonder whether those multiple sources emmanated from the Journalism school.
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Good for him. But, he never conceded that he may have jumped the gun. A little remorse can go a long way. Ask Giambi--not A-Roid.
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Every source that I got info from yesterday is trying to get more today, but as of now, all has been quiet.
I found this disappointing. I figured he'd had a source directly involved in the process.
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I have not disappeared
So now I am getting blasted from all corners of the internet. I'm a big boy, I understand that and I can deal with it.
But for some to say I am hiding? That I have disappeared? Not even close. One guy said that yesterday was amateur hour. Really? Amateur? Sorry, I take offense to that.
There was nothing that I tweeted yesterday or that I posted on our premium board that came from a single source. Everything I said was gathered by multiple angles. Not one, not two but multiple.
I have disappeared? I'm hiding? I went to bed at about 2:00am last night and I grabbed my phone when it first went off this morning at 5:45.
I had worked this all day yesterday and am not about to sleep on it today. Every source that I got info from yesterday is trying to get more today, but as of now, all has been quiet.
I will not back down or backtrack from anything I said yesterday. Did things change? Did something go wrong? I do not know, but I will continue to stay on it until I have answers for you.
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?6800-I-have-not-disappeared
That's disconcerting. I was hoping someone sent him a text saying "we literally have his signature. its official" or something similar. If it's even possible for circumstances could change, then I wouldn't have said "done deal." But that's just me. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because his entire reputation is on the line here.
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The bet has been placed, this doesn't mitigate it or serve as a withdrawal. This shouldn't salvage the meal ticket he gets off of the program if he's wrong, or the respect he will earn by being right when all of the national guys are wrong.
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Is there any possible way terms are agreed to or even signed, but MU wants to announce the new president first and have the coach be his or her hire, even though said person would have presumably had nothing to do with it? Just for perception's sake?
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Yes, but is he being cornered by eagles or rams?
It pains me to put eagles in there, but it works better that way.
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Is there any possible way terms are agreed to or even signed, but MU wants to announce the new president first and have the coach be his or her hire, even though said person would have presumably had nothing to do with it? Just for perception's sake?
Interesting idea. It would make sense if BOT close to making a decision on the President.
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Is there any possible way terms are agreed to or even signed, but MU wants to announce the new president first and have the coach be his or her hire, even though said person would have presumably had nothing to do with it? Just for perception's sake?
Everyone would see through that charade at this point. In fact, I'd be insulted if that's how it went down--not for very long, obviously.
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I have not disappeared
So now I am getting blasted from all corners of the internet. I'm a big boy, I understand that and I can deal with it.
But for some to say I am hiding? That I have disappeared? Not even close. One guy said that yesterday was amateur hour. Really? Amateur? Sorry, I take offense to that.
There was nothing that I tweeted yesterday or that I posted on our premium board that came from a single source. Everything I said was gathered by multiple angles. Not one, not two but multiple.
I have disappeared? I'm hiding? I went to bed at about 2:00am last night and I grabbed my phone when it first went off this morning at 5:45.
I had worked this all day yesterday and am not about to sleep on it today. Every source that I got info from yesterday is trying to get more today, but as of now, all has been quiet.
I will not back down or backtrack from anything I said yesterday. Did things change? Did something go wrong? I do not know, but I will continue to stay on it until I have answers for you.
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?6800-I-have-not-disappeared
I hope it turns we get Smart, but he's already been proven wrong in his "done deal" declaration.
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I do not know.
Truth.
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Only play he's got. He's got a lot riding on the last 24 hours and the next 24...
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I respect him for sticking with it. No excuses made on his end.
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Is there any possible way terms are agreed to or even signed, but MU wants to announce the new president first and have the coach be his or her hire, even though said person would have presumably had nothing to do with it? Just for perception's sake?
I think that you are grasping for straws there.
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This is a lot different than "Done Deal"
This....
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There was nothing that I tweeted yesterday or that I posted on our premium board that came from a single source. Everything I said was gathered by multiple angles. Not one, not two but multiple.
Wait, how many is multiple, again?
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I think that you are grasping for straws there.
Of course I am!
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Everyone would see through that charade at this point. In fact, I'd be insulted if that's how it went down--not for very long, obviously.
Oh it would definitely be annoying, and a farcical charade without a doubt. However, I would get over it in milliseconds.
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Wait, how many is multiple, again?
Apparently 2.01 sources. Not sure who makes up the 0.01. :D
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
I agree completely.
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
Add Hards to the stake. Burn him! Burn him!
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
Maybe don't say DONE DEAL when it's not a done deal. You're blaming the victims.
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Add Hards to the stake. Burn him! Burn him!
Hards might now be in the same camp with me. After this winter, I have seriously begun to reevaluate the discomfort involved with being burned at the stake.
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I'm convinced there was an oral agreement in principal, and that Smart backed out shortly thereafter. It wouldn't be the first time he, or any other coach, has done that (see, Illinois). MU would never come out and admit it, but that seems to be the most plausible story to me.
Guys like Ganzer and Dodds wouldn't have come out as strongly as they did unless some form of agreement was in place. You think Buzz signed his contract at VT before word got out he was leaving?
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Never say its a done deal when its a done deal. Especially after Buzz left the way he did
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
You're right it's our fault for listening to him and believing what he had to say. The only thing he deserves is complete lack of acknowledgement going forward. Fraud
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
He said it was a done deal and Shaka Smart next MU coach. There is no room for confusion there. He made his bed and now he has to lay in it...what do you expect people to say? Good job, you got everyone's hopes up falsely but it's all good. That's ridiculous! He would have taken the credit if he was correct and he has to take the heat if he is wrong. I'm hoping he still turns out to be right!!
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Multiple sources said it was a done deal. He tweeted it, and his sources were wrong.
So .. burn him in effigy for tweeting what his sources told him was fact?
Not going to throw that stone.
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
He said done deal, and in an internet podcast said that Buzz wasn't going anywhere literally the day before he was going some where(VTech).
I put those two things together and he's got a credibility issue right now. He may know little things at MU but it's clear right now he doesn't have the total big picture.
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So far, we have IWB, hards, Wardle2Wade, who's next?!?!
Burn all of you. BUURRRRNNN!!!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Contemporary_illustration_of_the_Auto-da-fe_held_at_Validolid_Spain_21-05-1559..jpg)
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He said it was a done deal and Shaka Smart next MU coach. There is no room for confusion there. He made his bed and now he has to lay in it...would do you expect people to say? Good job, you got everyone's hopes up falsely but it's all good. That's ridiculous! He would have taken the credit if he was correct and he has to take the heat if he is wrong. I'm hoping he still turns out to be right!!
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Even if he is right he had nothing to do with it. He's just an old lady sitting around the table saying "pour the tea" looking for gossip. Go take your game elsewhere. Good day to you sir!
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Multiple sources said it was a done deal. He tweeted it, and his sources were wrong.
So .. burn him in effigy for tweeting what his sources told him was fact?
Not going to throw that stone.
He was his source. He was asked point blank who were his sources and he said I am the source.
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I appreciate the info and love the fact that all of us who don't have the same sources as you pretend to complain when the process takes a little time
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Maybe don't say DONE DEAL when it's not a done deal. You're blaming the victims.
So we're victims now? Sheeesh.
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He was his source. He was asked point blank who were his sources and he said I am the source.
This is incorrect.
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He said it was a done deal and Shaka Smart next MU coach. There is no room for confusion there. He made his bed and now he has to lay in it...what do you expect people to say? Good job, you got everyone's hopes up falsely but it's all good. That's ridiculous! He would have taken the credit if he was correct and he has to take the heat if he is wrong. I'm hoping he still turns out to be right!!
Have we signed a coach? I'm sorry, I must have missed that part.
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I'm convinced there was an oral agreement in principal, and that Smart backed out shortly thereafter. It wouldn't be the first time he, or any other coach, has done that (see, Illinois). MU would never come out and admit it, but that seems to be the most plausible story to me.
Guys like Ganzer and Dodds wouldn't have come out as strongly as they did unless some form of agreement was in place. You think Buzz signed his contract at VT before word got out he was leaving?
Bingo!
I think Shaka is playing us.
I just hope that Shaka's use of us as leverage to his AD is matched by our use of him as leverage to get Howland to lower his price.
Fox 6 reported that Howland is out of the race, but what do they know? The Howland bus still has room, fellas. Hop on board with me.
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Even if he is right he had nothing to do with it. He's just an old lady sitting around the table saying "pour the tea" looking for gossip. Go take your game elsewhere. Good day to you sir!
Then why did you listen to him in the first place?
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This is incorrect.
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 16h
Shaka Smart is the new coach at Marquette. #mubb
Done Deal
Josh Lepak @joshlepak 16h
@theIWB source?
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 16h
@joshlepak I'm the source
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We probably are not even close right now to landing Shaka. However, I have concerns that people trying to scoop a deal could end up pushing a candidate the wrong way, when negotiations are suppose to be confidential. I know it would irritate the hell out of me, if I was a candidate
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Jim Ganzer @theIWB 16h
Shaka Smart is the new coach at Marquette. #mubb
Done Deal
Josh Lepak @joshlepak 16h
@theIWB source?
Jim Ganzer @theIWB 16h
@joshlepak I'm the source
You're reading it wrong. You really think he, first, name his source, and secondly admit it's all from him? Ha. Okay.
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If the same thing happens with Shaka year after year he is going to start losing some suitors because everything is going to seem fake. Remember guys we arent the first ones to go through this. The biggest question mark I still have is why have we still not heard anything from Shaka or his camp. Usually by now he has said something to the media about how the rumors are false. Still have hope, not much hope, but still some.
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Have we signed a coach? I'm sorry, I must have missed that part.
Quit making excuses for him...I hope he turns out to be right. If what he reported last night was true at the time, it would be confirmed by now. It isn't, it still could happen, but he jumped the gun big time last night.
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Then why did you listen to him in the first place?
Because I'm weak and was looking for a beacon of light to give me hope. I just wanted to believe oh god ... I hate you IWB - may you rot in hell and be Satan's sex slave for all of eternity.
Ok I'm better now.
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You're reading it wrong. You really think he, first, name his source, and secondly admit it's all from him? Ha. Okay.
Of course he is not going to name his true sources. He stated "I'm the source" as a way of saying with complete confidence that he was right. So he needs to be right on this.
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I keep getting the funny feeling that Jafar got to IWB before Fr. Wild did...
"I am the source." ... hmm, sounds just like the snarky type of thing Jafar would say in this situation
(http://alhwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/jafar-iago-sultan-jafar-17879401-1263-759.jpg)
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Because I'm weak and was looking for a beacon of light to give me hope. I just wanted to believe oh god ... I hate you IWB - may you rot in hell and be Satan's sex slave for all of eternity.
Ok I'm better now.
Not sure that's possible.
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Multiple sources said it was a done deal. He tweeted it, and his sources were wrong.
So .. burn him in effigy for tweeting what his sources told him was fact?
Not going to throw that stone.
MUScoop moderators are IWB apologists!
Add more wood to the fire!
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So far, we have IWB, hards, Wardle2Wade, who's next?!?!
Burn all of you. BUURRRRNNN!!!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Contemporary_illustration_of_the_Auto-da-fe_held_at_Validolid_Spain_21-05-1559..jpg)
I find all this burning at the stake commentary interesting, considering MU's connection with St. Joan of Arc. Weird analogy, I know....
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I don't want to be burned at the stake, but I had trouble buying in yesterday. No leaks from VCU, no team meeting... it didn't add up... nothing is done until the coach is here and has had a team meeting with his former players. "done" has so much finality with little to no room for If's...
I hope something good happens, but man, this was a cluster f.... and a circle j combined...
I think people tweeting and reporting from other sources and add in the VCU people creating fake twitter accounts and MU students doing the same...
So far, Hunt, comes out the responsible winner... and about the only trusted reporter left in town.
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I don't want to be burned at the stake, but I had trouble buying in yesterday. No leaks from VCU, no team meeting... it didn't add up... nothing is done until the coach is here and has had a team meeting with his former players. "done" has so much finality with little to no room for If's...
I hope something good happens, but man, this was a cluster f.... and a circle j combined...
I think people tweeting and reporting from other sources and add in the VCU people creating fake twitter accounts and MU students doing the same...
So far, Hunt, comes out the responsible winner... and about the only trusted reporter left in town.
Go figure...
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If the same thing happens with Shaka year after year he is going to start losing some suitors because everything is going to seem fake. Remember guys we arent the first ones to go through this. The biggest question mark I still have is why have we still not heard anything from Shaka or his camp. Usually by now he has said something to the media about how the rumors are false. Still have hope, not much hope, but still some.
You're my favorite denialist.
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MUScoop moderators are IWB apologists!
Add more wood to the fire!
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Quit making excuses for him...I hope he turns out to be right. If what he reported last night was true at the time, it would be confirmed by now. It isn't, it still could happen, but he jumped the gun big time last night.
Yeah, because you're an expert in the process of hiring D1 Men's BB coaches?
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It could still be a done deal. All this was happening so fast yesterday but maybe it could happen in a couple days. Shaka Smart hasn't said anything he could still be negotiating with both sides. So was IWB maybe quick to pull the trigger? yes but he could still be right. Not everyone is like Buzz Williams and wanted to leave so badly it took two seconds for him to get on a plane. We know we have contacted him, we also know that their AD isn't telling the truth or we are using a back channel to talk to him per goodman. I'm willing to wait this out I'm not going to burn anyone on the stack until there is a Marquette press conference with Bill cords handing a MU hat to someone
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Brutal is all I have to say. Credibility is definitely on the line.
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Quit making excuses for him...I hope he turns out to be right. If what he reported last night was true at the time, it would be confirmed by now. It isn't, it still could happen, but he jumped the gun big time last night.
Based upon what? Your expectations?
You sure are entitled.
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I think that "I'm hearing Shaka Smart is the next men's basketball coach at MU" would have been an appropriate way to phrase it and he wouldn't be getting the vitriol being spewed right now. Those who are calling him a hack may be going a bit too far, but saying it's a done deal when no news was imminent was premature and he shouldn't be offended if he gets called out for that.
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32127.msg587559#msg587559
Buzz to VA Tech first rumored on this board almost exactly one week ago. The reddit thread said Buzz to VA Tech was a done deal 5 days before it happened. Maybe these things take more than a day to play out?
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BigDaddy84 has also just spoken on another thread guys. Go check it out.
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Little respect please.
IWB made his bones when most of you were going out with cheerleaders!!
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It could still be a done deal. All this was happening so fast yesterday but maybe it could happen in a couple days. Shaka Smart hasn't said anything he could still be negotiating with both sides. So was IWB maybe quick to pull the trigger? yes but he could still be right. Not everyone is like Buzz Williams and wanted to leave so badly it took two seconds for him to get on a plane. We know we have contacted him, we also know that their AD isn't telling the truth or we are using a back channel to talk to him per goodman. I'm willing to wait this out I'm not going to burn anyone on the stack until there is a Marquette press conference with Bill cords handing a MU hat to someone
He didn't want to miss the opportunity to parade himself in VT gear on CBS, that's part of the deal. Easy marketing.
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It could still be a done deal. All this was happening so fast yesterday but maybe it could happen in a couple days. Shaka Smart hasn't said anything he could still be negotiating with both sides. So was IWB maybe quick to pull the trigger? yes but he could still be right. Not everyone is like Buzz Williams and wanted to leave so badly it took two seconds for him to get on a plane. We know we have contacted him, we also know that their AD isn't telling the truth or we are using a back channel to talk to him per goodman. I'm willing to wait this out I'm not going to burn anyone on the stack until there is a Marquette press conference with Bill cords handing a MU hat to someone
Exactly. This is such an indicator of the state of the world. Everything has to be RIGHT NOW. Patience is a virtue.
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Go figure...
Yeah, lol. So far, the big winner in the latest MU basketball saga, Mike Hunt.
Who could have predicted that!
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BigDaddy84 has also just spoken on another thread guys. Go check it out.
synopsis?
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MU may have gotten played by Smart. No one at MU should be cruicified for that. Who knows, maybe Smart told IWB's sources it was a "done deal"? Where is the anger at Smart for leading along the MU adminsitration? Will everyone be just as mad at Smart if later today VCU announces a new contract for Smart with a significant pay increase?
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Yeah, lol. So far, the big winner in the latest MU basketball saga, Mike Hunt.
Who could have predicted that!
true March madness Cinderella story
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I think the initials IWB have gotten more attention than necessary. Let's not give this hack any more free advertising. Burn him!!!
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MU may have gotten played by Smart. No one at MU should be cruicified for that. Who knows, maybe Smart told IWB's sources it was a "done deal"? Where is the anger at Smart for leading along the MU adminsitration? Will everyone be just as mad at Smart if later today VCU announces a new contract for Smart with a significant pay increase?
Beginning to wonder if this hasn't happened multiple times involving him...
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Patience is a virtue.
Patience is a virtue
Practice if you can
Seldom in a woman
Never in a man
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Little respect please.
IWB made his bones when most of you were TRYING TO go out with cheerleaders!!
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MU may have gotten played by Smart. No one at MU should be cruicified for that. Who knows, maybe Smart told IWB's sources it was a "done deal"? Where is the anger at Smart for leading along the MU adminsitration? Will everyone be just as mad at Smart if later today VCU announces a new contract for Smart with a significant pay increase?
Smart has absolutely no allegiance to MU. It's in his self-interest to play us like a fiddle to get their new athletic facility built, a nice raise for himself, more comp tickets, etc.
If in the end we don't get Shaka or Howland, I blame MU for playing the high stakes on such an important decision. Hindsight may prove that it was hubris to think that we would be different than Minny, UCLA, and Illinois.
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synopsis?
Somebody asked if maybe Shaka had agreed to be Marquette's next terms and Marquette is waiting to first announce its new president before announcing Shaka as the men's basketball coach, making it look like the new president is making his first hire. Posters said no people would see right through that. BigDaddy quoted the post and said it was the first intelligent (and he wants to say Smart) post he has seen in 24 hours.
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I think that "I'm hearing Shaka Smart is the next men's basketball coach at MU" would have been an appropriate way to phrase it and he wouldn't be getting the vitriol being spewed right now. Those who are calling him a hack may be going a bit too far, but saying it's a done deal when no news was imminent was premature and he shouldn't be offended if he gets called out for that.
+1 Absolutely correct. Whether it's taking video with a cellphone or putting out a newsflash, everyone wants to be someone now. IWB had no credible information because there was none. Whether he was right on other tips is irrelevant.
This was the equivalent of Dick Cheney leaking false news to the New York Times and then going on Meet The Press and using "Even the New York Times says it is true" as his justification.
He didn't say that he had sources that told him a deal was close or that negotiations were taking place. He said "Done Deal" without knowledge of a deal being done. He put 1 + 1 together and got 4. It was irresponsible reporting.
Now Shaka may still end up here, but IWB was wrong and should not have reported "Done Deal".
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Somebody asked if maybe Shaka had agreed to be Marquette's next terms and Marquette is waiting to first announce its new president before announcing Shaka as the men's basketball coach, making it look like the new president is making his first hire. Posters said no people would see right through that. BigDaddy quoted the post and said it was the first intelligent (and he wants to say Smart) post he has seen in 24 hours.
That's nice and all but that gives VCU more time to counter/ organize funds.
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If the same thing happens with Shaka year after year he is going to start losing some suitors because everything is going to seem fake. Remember guys we arent the first ones to go through this. The biggest question mark I still have is why have we still not heard anything from Shaka or his camp. Usually by now he has said something to the media about how the rumors are false. Still have hope, not much hope, but still some.
This hasn't happened year after year. Shaka has gone through a normal negotiation process with multiple schools, just like many other coaches before him. There is absolutely zero evidence that he has "gamed" anybody. I seriously don't understand where this stuff is coming from.
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What will live on longer: "It's Indiana, it's Indiana" or "Done Deal."
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This hasn't happened year after year. Shaka has gone through a normal negotiation process with multiple schools, just like many other coaches before him. There is absolutely zero evidence that he has "gamed" anybody. I seriously don't understand where this stuff is coming from.
Ask Bucky fans about the 300k raise their football coach just got today and how that happened.
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This hasn't happened year after year. Shaka has gone through a normal negotiation process with multiple schools, just like many other coaches before him. There is absolutely zero evidence that he has "gamed" anybody. I seriously don't understand where this stuff is coming from.
The one who said "Done Deal" is the one that gamed everyone here.
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This hasn't happened year after year. Shaka has gone through a normal negotiation process with multiple schools, just like many other coaches before him. There is absolutely zero evidence that he has "gamed" anybody. I seriously don't understand where this stuff is coming from.
I think there are some at Minnesota who would disagree. No "done deal" but from what they heard they were pretty confident they had an agreement in principle.
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What will live on longer: "It's Indiana, it's Indiana" or "Done Deal."
+1
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I think there are some at Minnesota who would disagree. No "done deal" but from what they heard they were pretty confident they had an agreement in principle.
Not entirely true. As a Gopher fan, we all had expectations and hopes...EXACTLY like Marquette fans. When Pitino was announced, we were told by Teague, negotiations never happened with Smart. I can't tell you how similar the thread is here to there last year.
What I don't understand about Smart, like last year, IF he has no interest, why not come out and say so? I think he uses this annually to get more $$$. Kind of a pissy way to do business if you ask me, but it is reality for lots of negotiators.
Didn't someone say last night Howland was no longer interested (don't want to go back and look)? I would think, if thats the case, it would be a GOOD sign that someone else is close to being hired. That way, Howland, wherever he lands, can always say "this was my first choice".
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Not entirely true. As a Gopher fan, we all had expectations and hopes...EXACTLY like Marquette fans. When Pitino was announced, we were told by Teague, negotiations never happened with Smart. I can't tell you how similar the thread is here to there last year.
What I don't understand about Smart, like last year, IF he has no interest, why not come out and say so? I think he uses this annually to get more $$$. Kind of a pissy way to do business if you ask me, but it is reality for lots of negotiators.
Didn't someone say last night Howland was no longer interested (don't want to go back and look)? I would think, if thats the case, it would be a GOOD sign that someone else is close to being hired. That way, Howland, wherever he lands, can always say "this was my first choice".
I won't disagree other than to note that "negotiations" is somewhat broad. Serious discussions leading to what some thought was a path to "negotiations" is likely. As we have learned here over the past week, often where there is smoke there is fire. (See, Oklahoma, SMU, God knows where else).
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Patience is a virtue
Practice if you can
Seldom in a woman
Never in a man
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You guys sure a fickle bunch of jerks. When he is right and feeding you information one way or another he is a hero... but the second, LITERALLY THE SECOND, he MIGHT be wrong (sometime in the future) you guys crucify him.
Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
IWB deserves better than this. Wait for him to be wrong or right before you start lighting the pyre.
MU deserves better than this as well. MU has to be f'ing FURIOUS over the leaks. When you have a coach like Smart that has year after year flirted with various schools, only to run back, you have to be careful what gets out there. I'm not blaming IWB, I figure all these guys have basically the same source or one source polluted a bunch of other "credible" sources. Who knows.
Still hope it happens, but I have to think MU is not happy if this truly had a chance and it doesn't work out. If it all works out, then everyone can chill. If it doesn't, I'm sure many folks will be quite disillusioned and MAY think that stuff blowing up on twitter and elsewhere COULD have been a reason to say no thanks.
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MU deserves better than this as well. MU has to be f'ing FURIOUS over the leaks. When you have a coach like Smart that has year after year flirted with various schools, only to run back, you have to be careful what gets out there. I'm not blaming IWB, I figure all these guys have basically the same source or one source polluted a bunch of other "credible" sources. Who knows.
Still hope it happens, but I have to think MU is not happy if this truly had a chance and it doesn't work out. If it all works out, then everyone can chill. If it doesn't, I'm sure many folks will be quite disillusioned and MAY think that stuff blowing up on twitter and elsewhere COULD have been a reason to say no thanks.
Oh, I completely agree. No one wants to admit they have leaks, nor should they.
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Hindsight may prove that it was hubris to think that we would be different than Minny, UCLA, and Illinois.
+1
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If I was Shaka I would be flattered. Guaranteed Ben Howland would not get this type of response from our message boards or twitter or anything like that. Nothing against Howland but I would say that Shaka has the unwavering support of the Marquette faithful. Which is hard to come by these days.
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Somebody asked if maybe Shaka had agreed to be Marquette's next terms and Marquette is waiting to first announce its new president before announcing Shaka as the men's basketball coach, making it look like the new president is making his first hire. Posters said no people would see right through that. BigDaddy quoted the post and said it was the first intelligent (and he wants to say Smart) post he has seen in 24 hours.
That was my post he quoted. Howland or Smart, it would seem to erase a big issue that's been raised here - that no coach would come in not knowing who was running the show. Looks like a new thread on the next President is getting some traction now, too.
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Not entirely true. As a Gopher fan, we all had expectations and hopes...EXACTLY like Marquette fans. When Pitino was announced, we were told by Teague, negotiations never happened with Smart. I can't tell you how similar the thread is here to there last year.
What I don't understand about Smart, like last year, IF he has no interest, why not come out and say so? I think he uses this annually to get more $$$. Kind of a pissy way to do business if you ask me, but it is reality for lots of negotiators.
Didn't someone say last night Howland was no longer interested (don't want to go back and look)? I would think, if thats the case, it would be a GOOD sign that someone else is close to being hired. That way, Howland, wherever he lands, can always say "this was my first choice".
The way I see it, he has no reason to come out and say he is not interested. He'd just be feeding the media cycle that we are all currently rallying against. There is no credible evidence that he ever had an interest (credible, as in public reports or tweets from Goodman etc). Fans don't deserve anything from Shaka...this circus was partially created by them.
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If I was Shaka I would be flattered. Guaranteed Ben Howland would not get this type of response from our message boards or twitter or anything like that. Nothing against Howland but I would say that Shaka has the unwavering support of the Marquette faithful. Which is hard to come by these days.
Unwavering?
I'm just waiting to dust off the "eFG% is 63% of efficiency" article for Shaka
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What I don't understand about Smart, like last year, IF he has no interest, why not come out and say so? I think he uses this annually to get more $$$. Kind of a pissy way to do business if you ask me, but it is reality for lots of negotiators.
That's an unreasonable expectation to place on the man. Is he supposed to constantly scour the internet during the offseason looking for fanbases that are getting the idea he might go coach for them. This isn't even a national news story, it's a Milwaukee news story. What is there that he should have to refute at this point?
Or should he make an announcement every day at 5 pm that there is no announcement?
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This hasn't happened year after year. Shaka has gone through a normal negotiation process with multiple schools, just like many other coaches before him. There is absolutely zero evidence that he has "gamed" anybody. I seriously don't understand where this stuff is coming from.
Frustration.
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MU deserves better than this as well. MU has to be f'ing FURIOUS over the leaks. When you have a coach like Smart that has year after year flirted with various schools, only to run back, you have to be careful what gets out there. I'm not blaming IWB, I figure all these guys have basically the same source or one source polluted a bunch of other "credible" sources. Who knows.
Still hope it happens, but I have to think MU is not happy if this truly had a chance and it doesn't work out. If it all works out, then everyone can chill. If it doesn't, I'm sure many folks will be quite disillusioned and MAY think that stuff blowing up on twitter and elsewhere COULD have been a reason to say no thanks.
If his life decisions are that influenced because someone tweets it before it happens or not, sheesh, I don't know.
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I don't think twitter should ever be used as a source of anything, ever, for any reason. It's the worlds largest cesspool
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HE IS ALIVE
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Indeed. Thanks for your concern. I have been ignoring your trolling (If I had a dollar for every time Chicos...) and all the nonsensical ramblings from others here until the dust settles. Going to the San Diego area on a golf trip tomorrow (Pelican Hill is our first stop) but I promise you I'll share my thoughts about Buzz, our new hire and all the transfers at IU with you upon my return. Until then, keep the faith.
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I don't think twitter should ever be used as a source of anything, ever, for any reason. It's the worlds largest cesspool
POTUS uses it
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POTUS uses it
come on CBB. no need to derail this thread
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That's an unreasonable expectation to place on the man. Is he supposed to constantly scour the internet during the offseason looking for fanbases that are getting the idea he might go coach for them. This isn't even a national news story, it's a Milwaukee news story. What is there that he should have to refute at this point?
Or should he make an announcement every day at 5 pm that there is no announcement?
This is the question TJ. Where are those fan bases getting the idea he might (or will, in our case) come to them? These are not just wishes that fall out of the air. If Shaka really is the humble, home spun boy that is so happy with where he is that he will settle for a million or more less a year with less resources then good for him. These rumors do not reach the point that they do without there being something behind them--as we have learned.
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This is the question TJ. Where are those fan bases getting the idea he might (or will, in our case) come to them? These are not just wishes that fall out of the air. If Shaka really is the humble, home spun boy that is so happy with where he is that he will settle for a million or more less a year with less resources then good for him. These rumors do not reach the point that they do without there being something behind them--as we have learned.
and that is not Shaka Smart's problem. I'm sure that Marquette wants him. I'm sure they gave him their pitch and their offer. He might have even listened to it and even considered it. He'll, he might still be considering it. But it's not his job to keep the other guys quiet, nor to worry about how the local media there is reacting to the leaks. He might want to say something if it gets to be a national story, but until then why is any of this his problem?
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VCU-related Shaka-endorsed products on clearance at my local Walgreens. Coincidence?
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and that is not Shaka Smart's problem. I'm sure that Marquette wants him. I'm sure they gave him their pitch and their offer. He might have even listened to it and even considered it. He'll, he might still be considering it. But it's not his job to keep the other guys quiet, nor to worry about how the local media there is reacting to the leaks. He might want to say something if it gets to be a national story, but until then why is any of this his problem?
Its not his problem. I was responding to the idea that he was some kind of innocent and had nothing to do with the existence or persistence of the "Shaka is going to" rumors. If I were him I wouldn't say anything, in public, either. Why lose your denyability?
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So have we officially moved on and ruled Shaka out?
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come on CBB. no need to derail this thread
Not derailing, twitter is used all the time for information from news organizations, our gov't, etc. You have to be careful whom the source is, or if you believe what the source is saying, but it is used constantly to break stories, deliver information, etc.
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Little respect please.
IWB made his bones when most of you were going out with cheerleaders!!
Wait, I dated a cheerleader!?! She told me she was ROTC! I was duped!
As to the post, at this point in time IWB is neither correct or incorrect. A conclusive judgment can only be made when SS is named Marquette's new BB coach, someone not named SS is named as new coach, or SS makes a public statement that somehow takes him out of the running. In the meantime, enjoy the carnival!
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Not derailing, twitter is used all the time for information from news organizations, our gov't, etc. You have to be careful whom the source is, or if you believe what the source is saying, but it is used constantly to break stories, deliver information, etc.
I don't care where the information comes from: New York Times, PBS, Fox News, CNN, Twitter...JUST BE ACCURATE!
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I don't care where the information comes from: New York Times, PBS, Fox News, CNN, Twitter...JUST BE ACCURATE!
I agree. So far, the source seems like we have all been watching MADtv to this point.
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Indeed. Thanks for your concern. I have been ignoring your trolling (If I had a dollar for every time Chicos...) and all the nonsensical ramblings from others here until the dust settles. Going to the San Diego area on a golf trip tomorrow (Pelican Hill is our first stop) but I promise you I'll share my thoughts about Buzz, our new hire and all the transfers at IU with you upon my return. Until then, keep the faith.
I look forward to it. Pelican Hill is actually in the O.C....nice course, but over priced. Enjoy the trip. Hopefully you'll have a chance to play Torrey Pines and Aviara while you are down here.
Keeping the faith.
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I don't care where the information comes from: New York Times, PBS, Fox News, CNN, Twitter...JUST BE ACCURATE!
That would be nice.
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Nothing against IMB, don't even know the guy. It appears that there has been much pre-mature ejaculation on this whole search.
It would be nice to get Shaka, but if you give your best offer, do it with a drop dead date. The guy has a history of jacking around. We need to shore up the team and recruits, and this is getting ridiculous. Feelers should have been out a week ago. Time to move on.
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MU may have gotten played by Smart. No one at MU should be cruicified for that. Who knows, maybe Smart told IWB's sources it was a "done deal"? Where is the anger at Smart for leading along the MU adminsitration? Will everyone be just as mad at Smart if later today VCU announces a new contract for Smart with a significant pay increase?
If we do not get him, then there is plenty of criticism to throw. Feelers should have been out for a week. Give the guy you best big time offer with a cut off date. That eliminates all of the back and forth. If we have been played, it is out fault.
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So no proclamations of a done deal from IWB tonight? I was kind of excited to see what he was gonna provide for the encore tonite ;D
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I look forward to it. Pelican Hill is actually in the O.C....nice course, but over priced. Enjoy the trip. Hopefully you'll have a chance to play Torrey Pines and Aviara while you are down here.
Keeping the faith.
I would throw Mt Woodson in that group. Not has sexy as TP and Aviara, but a hell of a course and a hell of a lot cheaper for non residence.
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I would throw Mt Woodson in that group. Not has sexy as TP and Aviara, but a hell of a course and a hell of a lot cheaper for non residence.
Never played it, but would like to. Need to get my shoulder fixed first
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I look forward to it. Pelican Hill is actually in the O.C....nice course, but over priced. Enjoy the trip. Hopefully you'll have a chance to play Torrey Pines and Aviara while you are down here.
Keeping the faith.
Lenny swing by the casa for a brewski?
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I vacation in San Diego quite often.
Mt Woodson is incredible....recommend Maderas and Barona Creek as well. I thought TP was overrated.
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I vacation in San Diego quite often.
Mt Woodson is incredible....recommend Maderas and Barona Creek as well. I thought TP was overrated.
Yep, Maderas and Barona are nice. La Costa is another over rated course IMHO.
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I don't think twitter should ever be used as a source of anything, ever, for any reason. It's the worlds largest cesspool
Because the national media never get anything wrong...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10669808/steve-masiello-verge-leaving-manhattan-jaspers-become-head-coach-south-florida-bulls
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Lenny swing by the casa for a brewski?
I'll fly down for that. Someone needs to referee