Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out? I can't wait to see the spinning done here, especially by about 20 of you in particular. Maybe finally the hypocrisy stops....March 21, 2014. We'll see.
Here's a little stat
Rick Majerus 3 years
Bob Dukiet 3 years
Kevin O'Neill 5 years
Mike Deane 5 years
Tom Crean 9 years
Buzz Williams 6 years
Notice anything?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out? I can't wait to see the spinning done here, especially by about 20 of you in particular. Maybe finally the hypocrisy stops....March 21, 2013. We'll see.
Here's a little stat
Rick Majerus 3 years
Bob Dukiet 3 years
Kevin O'Neill 5 years
Tom Crean 9 years
Buzz Williams 6 years
Notice anything?
Its 2014
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out? I can't wait to see the spinning done here, especially by about 20 of you in particular. Maybe finally the hypocrisy stops....March 21, 2013. We'll see.
Here's a little stat
Rick Majerus 3 years
Bob Dukiet 3 years
Kevin O'Neill 5 years
Tom Crean 9 years
Buzz Williams 6 years
Notice anything?
Are you implying Marquette is, and will be, a stepping stone?
Also, his players were shocked and surprised by the announcement. And, allegedly, the athletic department didn't know until after it happened.
Overlooking Mike Deane's five seasons?
Honestly, the worst part about this might be the fuel to Chicos' worthless hypocrisy crusade.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
Are you implying Marquette is, and will be, a stepping stone?
Also, his players were shocked and surprised by the announcement. And, allegedly, the athletic department didn't know until after it happened.
I'm saying no one stays here very long, other than Crean. Why is that?
I enjoyed watching people the last 6 years say how different he was going to be. They're all the same, it is what it is. Next man in and don't trust anything out of a coaches mouth....they're like politicians.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
Are you implying Marquette is, and will be, a stepping stone?
Also, his players were shocked and surprised by the announcement. And, allegedly, the athletic department didn't know until after it happened.
LOL, they knew it was going to happen (not exact time, though) and gave their unofficial blessing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out? I can't wait to see the spinning done here, especially by about 20 of you in particular. Maybe finally the hypocrisy stops....March 21, 2014. We'll see.
Here's a little stat
Rick Majerus 3 years
Bob Dukiet 3 years
Kevin O'Neill 5 years
Mike Deane 5 years
Tom Crean 9 years
Buzz Williams 6 years
Notice anything?
All ASSISTANTS looking to audition for their next job. HIRE an established coach who wants to frigging be here. I think Ben Howland will not be looking for a new gig a few years after he gets hired.
Players don't seem to know, based on Twitter.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out? I can't wait to see the spinning done here, especially by about 20 of you in particular. Maybe finally the hypocrisy stops....March 21, 2014. We'll see.
Here's a little stat
Rick Majerus 3 years
Bob Dukiet 3 years
Kevin O'Neill 5 years
Mike Deane 5 years
Tom Crean 9 years
Buzz Williams 6 years
Notice anything?
Couldn't wait for I told you so. I hoped you would take the high road, forcing me to say you were right about Buzz. Guess that's not in you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:51:25 PM
I'm saying no one stays here very long, other than Crean. Why is that?
I enjoyed watching people the last 6 years say how different he was going to be. They're all the same, it is what it is. Next man in and don't trust anything out of a coaches mouth....they're like politicians.
I greatly look forward to you championing Buzz Williams virtues and accomplishments while at MU for the next 6 seasons...hopefully our next head coach exceeds Buzz's accomplishments, but you will still continue on a crusade to keep alive the memory and greatness of Buzz's 6 years, as you have done for Tom Crean. ;D
I thought I'd dread this day, yet after seeing how Buzz handled this season....it really did make me question who he was as a coach, and as a person. It was a great 6 year run, but it actually feels like it might be the best for both parties at this time to go seperate ways.
I predict the next coach will assure the fans that he will be at MU for a long time but then at some point won't be the coach anymore. So you can book it and I promise to remind you all of that every chance I get until eventually I'll be right.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 21, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Honestly, the worst part about this might be the fuel to Chicos' worthless hypocrisy crusade.
Without a doubt. I am surprised it took him this long to say "I told you so." Predictable.
Somewhere, Chico and all his numerous name dropped contacts from various athletic departments across the country are having the best day of their lives. Or maybe it's just Chicos by himself.
Buzz was out of character all season long. Makes sense now that he decided long ago that this would be his last here.
Quote from: Hamostradamus on March 21, 2014, 06:06:29 PM
I predict the next coach will assure the fans that he will be at MU for a long time but then at some point won't be the coach anymore. So you can book it and I promise to remind you all of that every chance I get until eventually I'll be right.
Haha but wouldn't that be a gigantic waste of one's time? Especially for someone with a self-proclaimed really important job at a multibillion dollar company?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Buzz was out of character all season long. Makes sense now that he decided long ago that this would be his last here.
+1
Quote from: Ners on March 21, 2014, 06:03:42 PM
I greatly look forward to you championing Buzz Williams virtues and accomplishments while at MU for the next 6 seasons...hopefully our next head coach exceeds Buzz's accomplishments, but you will still continue on a crusade to keep alive the memory and greatness of Buzz's 6 years, as you have done for Tom Crean. ;D
I thought I'd dread this day, yet after seeing how Buzz handled this season....it really did make me question who he was as a coach, and as a person. It was a great 6 year run, but it actually feels like it might be the best for both parties at this time to go seperate ways.
I will defend Buzz when necessary, against falsehoods. That is the same I did for TC. The issue I've always had with Buzz is the squirm factor and what I had come to know or heard. For that, I took a lot of grief here. Most of it was fine, but when I was told I wasn't an MU fan and a few other comments, that didn't sit well with me. I'll admit it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Buzz was out of character all season long. Makes sense now that he decided long ago that this would be his last here.
My new mantra for him: "head up his butt and one foot out the door".
Read that he met with team this afternoon. Sorry, forget which article.
I was hoping you would take the high road and just finally admit it....two can play that game. Sorry, but I've been bashed here for a number of years. I'm curious to see who is going to step up finally and admit it. You can be the first. Tip of my hat to you if you do.
Believe me, today sucks. Nothing I hate more than seeing coaches continue to come in and out every 5 or so years. It says something....I'll let you guys decide.
There is a reason I have bagged on the Buzz schtick, the "I'll be here as long as MU will have me" (though it might come clearer this may be more truthful), so on and so forth. The bummer is that I actually think he is a very good coach and have said it here many times. He's an odd dude, always has been. There were things from the very beginning on a few guys that didn't sit well with me (or others). I brought them up here, felt more than squirmy about those things and basically got arse raped by some of the members (no pun intended) on this site. Those were my concerns. I loved a lot of things about him, too. He's not an evil guy, but he wasn't Jesus Christ either.
Over the next month or so, I suspect you might hear some interesting things. Time for the next guy in. Wouldn't it be great to get a guy that wants to be here for the next 15 years?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out? I can't wait to see the spinning done here, especially by about 20 of you in particular. Maybe finally the hypocrisy stops....March 21, 2014. We'll see.
Here's a little stat
Rick Majerus 3 years
Bob Dukiet 3 years
Kevin O'Neill 5 years
Mike Deane 5 years
Tom Crean 9 years
Buzz Williams 6 years
Notice anything?
buzz is a liar, and while he seems to be leaving in better fashion, i certainly won't be wishing him success. something doesn't seem right here (virginia tech?), but i don't see how any of this could not make buzz a liar unless the big donors grew tired of him.
i'm not sure what the hypocrisy is that you refer to. tc was a prick and left like a prick. buzz talked about god and character all the time and lied...he's a prick as well.
just another coach to root against. i've always appreciated the coaches that stay loyal to the their schools...it's a shame buzz couldn't be one of them.
Quote from: MUCam on March 21, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
Without a doubt. I am surprised it took him this long to say "I told you so." Predictable.
Somewhere, Chico and all his numerous name dropped contacts from various athletic departments across the country are having the best day of their lives. Or maybe it's just Chicos by himself.
Cam, I usually know when you are here because so often you are talking to me or about me. No, not a happy day, certainly not the best day of my life. Sad to see MU go through coaches on average every 5 years or so.
Now, it is human nature, however, that when you are questioned as a fan or allegiance because you dared to bring up the squirmy stuff up from the past....well, yes there is a bit of I told you so. I'm human, I admit it. Nothing worse than being a huge fan, having some legitimate concerns about what you are a fan of and to be called out for a few years as a result. To each their own. No, this is a sad day on top of a sad season.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:29:07 PM
Cam, I usually know when you are here because so often you are talking to me or about me. No, not a happy day, certainly not the best day of my life. Sad to see MU go through coaches on average every 5 years or so.
Blah blah blah
So why do you have to beat around the bush and not just say I told you so, or have an actual point. You've said in most every post in this thread "5 years..." Some coaches were not good, some OK, and some did some special things. There's also been a large change in the business of basketball over the timeframe you list here. Have a valid point, or stop implying that you are so smart.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 21, 2014, 05:52:14 PM
All ASSISTANTS looking to audition for their next job. HIRE an established coach who wants to frigging be here. I think Ben Howland will not be looking for a new gig a few years after he gets hired.
Deane and Dukiet weren't assistants.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:16:35 PM
I will defend Buzz when necessary, against falsehoods. That is the same I did for TC. The issue I've always had with Buzz is the squirm factor and what I had come to know or heard. For that, I took a lot of grief here. Most of it was fine, but when I was told I wasn't an MU fan and a few other comments, that didn't sit well with me. I'll admit it.
Any doubts about your loyalty should have been fully squashed after you posted the pics of that awesome quilt that you had made.
Quote from: indymufan on March 21, 2014, 06:18:15 PM
Read that he met with team this afternoon. Sorry, forget which article.
I hope so, because that would make it all better. ;)
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
Any doubts about your loyalty should have been fully squashed after you posted the pics of that awesome quilt that you had made.
You should see my office...Marquette Warriors stuff everywhere.
Bummer of a day. I hate starting over again. On to the next guy.
I'm actually happy we are starting over. The squirm factor with Buzz along with his quirks and coaching this season was unbearable. MU will be fine. Let's get all the crap out in the open and get moving forward!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
I was hoping you would take the high road and just finally admit it....two can play that game. Sorry, but I've been bashed here for a number of years. I'm curious to see who is going to step up finally and admit it. You can be the first. Tip of my hat to you if you do.
Believe me, today sucks. Nothing I hate more than seeing coaches continue to come in and out every 5 or so years. It says something....I'll let you guys decide.
There is a reason I have bagged on the Buzz schtick, the "I'll be here as long as MU will have me" (though it might come clearer this may be more truthful), so on and so forth. The bummer is that I actually think he is a very good coach and have said it here many times. He's an odd dude, always has been. There were things from the very beginning on a few guys that didn't sit well with me (or others). I brought them up here, felt more than squirmy about those things and basically got arse raped by some of the members (no pun intended) on this site. Those were my concerns. I loved a lot of things about him, too. He's not an evil guy, but he wasn't Jesus Christ either.
Over the next month or so, I suspect you might hear some interesting things. Time for the next guy in. Wouldn't it be great to get a guy that wants to be here for the next 15 years?
I'll admit that I bought Buzz's shtick hook, line and sinker.
I had my wife who's a special education teacher watch the video on Buzz's Bunch last week. She was impressed. She just asked me; "What happens to them?" They're orphans now, I guess, was my answer.
I'm OK with his leaving. Got to trust the administration. I never had a problem with LW and was somewhat sorry he left. So many posters were gloating back then how LW was messing with Buzz's happy.
If I had a shot of tequila for every time someone posted "Don't mess with happy" I'd be one pickled Warrior!
We will persevere. Ring Out Ahoya!
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
I'm OK with his leaving. Got to trust the administration. I never had a problem with LW and was somewhat sorry he left. So many posters were gloating back then how LW was messing with Buzz's happy.
If I had a shot of tequila for every time someone posted "Don't mess with happy" I'd be one pickled Warrior!
We will persevere. Ring Out Ahoya!
LW called out his head coach in the local newspaper. Regardless of opinions of Buzz, you don't do that.
Couldn't we all scream like a girl 'bout now?
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 21, 2014, 06:50:46 PM
I'll admit that I bought Buzz's shtick hook, line and sinker.
I had my wife who's a special education teacher watch the video on Buzz's Bunch last week. She was impressed. She just asked me; "What happens to them?" They're orphans now, I guess, was my answer.
No, incorrect. I have a son in the program. Buzz emailed me his personal email this morning. Your orphan comment is disgusting.
Quote from: NivTastic on March 21, 2014, 07:27:14 PM
No, incorrect. I have a son in the program. Buzz emailed me his personal email this morning. Your orphan comment is disgusting.
Your only other comment is pretty similar in maturity. Surprised you didn't get a chuckle.
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on March 21, 2014, 07:38:22 PM
Your only other comment is pretty similar in maturity. Surprised you didn't get a chuckle.
Ha, nice research. In all seriousness, I couldn't be more proud of Buzz and our experience with him. He gave the time of day to anyone interested. When it comes to kids there should be no joking around, IMO.
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on March 21, 2014, 07:38:22 PM
Your only other comment is pretty similar in maturity. Surprised you didn't get a chuckle.
Today has been odd. Buzz left. We don't know why. People are questioning his integrity. The comment that struck the largest chord was yours. You have a wife in Special Ed. You referred to the kids left from Buzz's Bunch as orphans. I'm curious how your wife reacted to your comment. What did she say? If she was okay with what you said please tell me what district so I can make sure she is not teaching my son.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 21, 2014, 06:50:46 PM
I'll admit that I bought Buzz's shtick hook, line and sinker.
I had my wife who's a special education teacher watch the video on Buzz's Bunch last week. She was impressed. She just asked me; "What happens to them?" They're orphans now, I guess, was my answer.
Hey dickhead - you are giving MU a bad name. What Buzz did for all kids in Buzz's Bunch is unreal. Never did it for any type of publicity, just because he has a big heart. You're pathetic.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 21, 2014, 07:16:40 PM
LW called out his head coach in the local newspaper. Regardless of opinions of Buzz, you don't do that.
Maybe LW was ahead of his time
Quote from: NivTastic on March 21, 2014, 09:46:40 PM
Today has been odd. Buzz left. We don't know why. People are questioning his integrity. The comment that struck the largest chord was yours. You have a wife in Special Ed. You referred to the kids left from Buzz's Bunch as orphans. I'm curious how your wife reacted to your comment. What did she say? If she was okay with what you said please tell me what district so I can make sure she is not teaching my son.
I don't have a wife?
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on March 21, 2014, 11:12:32 PM
I don't have a wife?
Nor should you. A good looking guy like Steve Buscemi should be getting more ass than a public toilet seat. It would be unfair to deny women, quite frankly
(http://www.moviestillsdb.com/media/pictures/m/39/3951d1e4ae1c17f38ac69ee712ab2231.jpg)
I support your decisions. Wife, husband... same thing
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
Is he an a-hole now? So it was Larry and Pilarz that drove him out?
BW isn't an pretty boy. He just overplayed his hand. I am guessing that he didn't emerge from the sh1t fight with LW unscathed, for some of the reasons you have alluded to among others. I'm hearing some key people got sick of his prima donna BS.
Crean, on the other hand, was a monstrous human being without few redeeming qualities. There is a huge difference between the two cases.
Buzz is like the Master Black Belt... the one who fixes all the problems, then is cut loose when resolved. Keefe gets this. #ECLP
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
BW isn't an pretty boy. He just overplayed his hand. I am guessing that he didn't emerge from the sh1t fight with LW unscathed, for some of the reasons you have alluded to among others. I'm hearing some key people got sick of his prima donna BS.
Crean, on the other hand, was a monstrous human being without few redeeming qualities. There is a huge difference between the two cases.
My point was the hypocrisy here by posters, not the actions of the coaches. I'm not going to get into an argument about which guy is a bigger douche or which guy is a better angel. I honestly don't care...I find them all to be self serving. The hypocrisy of the fan base, however, was just that. A lot of crow eating tonight. A few of them haven't been here since the announcement...I honestly worry about their state of mind and health right now.
Thanks for the concern. We are fine -- disappointing on many levels but optimistic for the future. Buzz in my mind was great for the program; disappointed he left and don't think it is a university issue.
Let's hope the next guy is half as successful as buzz and twice as nice as Tom Crean at Indiana. May the basketball gods shine bright...
Quote from: NivTastic on March 21, 2014, 11:35:04 PM
Buzz is like the Master Black Belt... the one who fixes all the problems, then is cut loose when resolved. Keefe gets this. #ECLP
Roger Black Belt
Keefe, are you one of them, or one that was 120% smarter?
Quote from: keefe on March 21, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
BW isn't an pretty boy. He just overplayed his hand. I am guessing that he didn't emerge from the sh1t fight with LW unscathed, for some of the reasons you have alluded to among others. I'm hearing some key people got sick of his prima donna BS.
Crean, on the other hand, was a monstrous human being without few redeeming qualities. There is a huge difference between the two cases.
Well said
Quote from: NivTastic on March 21, 2014, 09:46:40 PM
Today has been odd. Buzz left. We don't know why. People are questioning his integrity. The comment that struck the largest chord was yours. You have a wife in Special Ed. You referred to the kids left from Buzz's Bunch as orphans. I'm curious how your wife reacted to your comment. What did she say? If she was okay with what you said please tell me what district so I can make sure she is not teaching my son.
Over-sensitive much? Learn how to take a joke if you can get away from coddling your kid
Quote from: NivTastic on March 21, 2014, 11:28:04 PM
I support your decisions. Wife, husband... same thing
Where the heck did that come from? Did you not notice the comments were from two different people?
Quote from: NivTastic on March 22, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
Keefe, are you one of them, or one that was 120% smarter?
Not smarter but certainly a huge believer. When hired by Cap I went through the executive program in Fairfield. Ended up using Six Sigma for everything - forex hedging operations, swaps, warrants and derivatives, charting operations, etc... I had always associated Juran and Deming with manufacturing. Was I ever wrong but couldn't stop slurping once I got a taste for the Kool Aid. We brought in Black Belts from around the world to ensure best practice. Those guys are worth their weight in gold!
When I moved down to Singapore we used them for Clinical Trials. Again, could not have been successful without them. Our partners from Sun, Harvard, and Quintiles were blown away by the precision we engineered into the most seemingly mundane tasks. There is no substitute for quality control in everything one does.
When your kid is not developing where he/she should be then you do everything you can. Either you are not a parent or don't intend to. I put every penny I make into my kid.
Quote from: NivTastic on March 22, 2014, 12:49:04 AM
When your kid is not developing where he/she should be then you do everything you can. Either you are not a parent or don't intend to. I put every penny I make into my kid.
There's only so much that can be done. Money and helicopter parenting won't help much
But I digress
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 21, 2014, 11:50:57 PM
Thanks for the concern. We are fine -- disappointing on many levels but optimistic for the future. Buzz in my mind was great for the program; disappointed he left and don't think it is a university issue.
Let's hope the next guy is half as successful as buzz and twice as nice as Tom Crean at Indiana. May the basketball gods shine bright...
I think you will find a number of people who worked with Buzz weren't finding him to be Mr. nice guy either.
It is what it is
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 12:44:35 AM
Not smarter but certainly a huge believer. When hired by Cap I went through the executive program in Fairfield. Ended up using Six Sigma for everything - forex hedging operations, swaps, warrants and derivatives, charting operations, etc... I had always associated Juran and Deming with manufacturing. Was I ever wrong but couldn't stop slurping once I got a taste for the Kool Aid. We brought in Black Belts from around the world to ensure best practice. Those guys are worth their weight in gold!
When I moved down to Singapore we used them for Clinical Trials. Again, could not have been successful without them. Our partners from Sun, Harvard, and Quintiles were blown away by the precision we engineered into the most seemingly mundane tasks. There is no substitute for quality control in everything one does.
+1
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 22, 2014, 08:27:23 AM
I think you will find a number of people who worked with Buzz weren't finding him to be Mr. nice guy either.
It is what it is
From what I've heard from some coaches of other sports at MU, the one thing that can't be said about Buzz is that he's humble. That part of his persona was a total act.
But are any coaches humble?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
Wouldn't it be great to get a guy that wants to be here for the next 15 years?
Outside of Coach K, Pitino, Boeheim, Mark Few, and a couple other programs, how realistic is long term coaching stability?
Buzz's tenure was far too short IMO, but MU's situation is the reality that 95% of D1 programs deal with. Sure, with the money MU invests in their program, you'd hope we'd have a 15 yr coach, but unfortunately that isn't a reality.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 22, 2014, 09:19:36 AM
From what I've heard from some coaches of other sports at MU, the one thing that can't be said about Buzz is that he's humble. That part of his persona was a total act.
But are any coaches humble?
Mike Scioscia of the Angels, is humble. One of the nicest guys I have ever worked for. In college, a number of assistant coaches I found to be humble as assistants, but I don't know if being in the other chair changed them. Tim Buckley was a humble dude, so was Dwayne Stephens. Some guys on Deane's staff were as well.