What a phony to lecture everyone on character and then bolt a program that gave you everything and then some for crappy VT.
This year he got weird and was no longer the mad genius I thought he was.
Breaks my heart as I never enjoyed MU basketball more than his first five years as our coach.
Agree. "I will be here as long as they'll have me" doesn't leave much open to interpretation.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on March 21, 2014, 04:48:24 PM
What a phony to lecture everyone on character and then bolt a program that gave you everything and then some for crappy VT.
This year he got weird and was no longer the mad genius I thought he was.
Breaks my heart as I never enjoyed MU basketball more than his first five years as our coach.
Have to agree. I think Buzz turned out to be a fraud and a liar. I think I dislike him more than Crean...at least we knew Crean was an ass. But we got duped by this guy. He's been trying to get out of hear for 3 years. Please take Derrick with you...it's the least u could do Buzz.
Question is. Was he distracted by this during the season? Not VT per say. But distracted by the fact that he wanted out and didnt give the job his full attention.
Be careful what you wish for young Mr. Williams. Ask your predocessors. The grass isnt always greener.... If you succeed wildly after MU. You just may be the first.
At least now, for the NEXT 6 years, we will get to constantly complain about Buzz now leaving and forget about Crean (hopefully).
pretty sad to be duped by Crean and then Buzz - better be careful not to be duped by the next coach...
Buzz can suck all the "character" BS he spewed...
Abandoning Buzz' Bunch. The program will move on. One question: Does VT have a plane?
Whether you appreciate the job Buzz did while he was here, it is clear he is not what we thought he was or what he claimed to be.
yeah, buzz didn't have what it takes to stay here, but you can't blame a guy for advancing his career and starting fresh. There was probably a ton of stuff behind the scenes that he couldn't take anymore. He's a D-1 coach with high ambitions. Anyone who thought he was MU guy for life was kidding themselves.
Just silly. He left for whatever reasons he had. Lack of character? Nah. Hyman Roth put it best..."This is the business we've chosen."
As for the whole, "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" thing, .not sure but I'm guessing he said that like 4 years ago...Does he not have the right to change his mind, like the rest of the world? He has to be held to everything he has ever said? C'mon.
I've heard he wasn't a saint for awhile now.....heard he wouldn't acknowledge Terri Mitchell in the hallways around the Al. He didn't like having a boss so he pushed Larry Williams out (not that I agreed with Larry trying to make MU into ND with strict academic standards). Also something happened with that sexual thing a couple years ago that was not handled well by him and his staff that got the front page of the Chicago Tribune and hurt attendance the following year.
Let's get the right guy and try to salvage the players we have and keep some of our recruits still committed to MU next year......Cords/Wild have handled this well in the past (see Crean leaving) and I hope they will handle it well again.
Lets get real - the pressure at Marquette is high. We expect results and at Va Tech they don't. This pressure led to profuse sweating. His dry cleaning bill must have been enormous. Maybe he cannot afford to coach at Marquette.
(just applying some levity).
Good riddance I say.
I don't think he is who he claims to be, but he left for legit reasons. The former will be with him for life, the latter until he jumps ship at VT or gets fired. Unfortunately it will catch up to him.
What's he gonna do with his funky wardrobe. I'm guessing Blue and Yellow won't wear well in Tidewater
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 21, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
At least now, for the NEXT 6 years, we will get to constantly complain about Buzz now leaving and forget about Crean (hopefully).
Tom Crean: never forget.
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on March 21, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
I've heard wasn't a saint for awhile now.....heard he wouldn't acknowledge Terri Mitchell in the hallways around the Al. He didn't like having a boss so he pushed Larry Williams out (not that I agreed with Larry trying to make MU into ND with strict academic standards). Also something happened with that sexual thing a couple years ago that was not handled well by him and his staff that got the front page of the Chicago Tribune and hurt attendance the following year.
Let's get the right guy and try to salvage the players we have and keep some of our recruits still committed to MU next year......Cords/Wild have handled this well in the past (see Crean leaving) and I hope they will handle it well again.
Agree the guy is a creep and phony. I have said it for the last year or so. A complete ass around the athletic department
Almost impossible, but he made Crean look good. Complete and u8tter jagoff. Hope he never wins a game at VT.
Want some character revealed ? All of us spent a lot of time/money watching his sh1t product this year. Good riddance. Take the recruits but please take some of your garbage players on this years team. Hopefully the new coach will put high level talent on the floor.
Quote from: ecompt on March 21, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
Almost impossible, but he made Crean look good. Complete and u8tter jagoff.
What? How?
Quote from: The Sultan of Silly on March 21, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
I've heard wasn't a saint for awhile now.....heard he wouldn't acknowledge Terri Mitchell in the hallways around the Al. He didn't like having a boss so he pushed Larry Williams out (not that I agreed with Larry trying to make MU into ND with strict academic standards). Also something happened with that sexual thing a couple years ago that was not handled well by him and his staff that got the front page of the Chicago Tribune and hurt attendance the following year.
Let's get the right guy and try to salvage the players we have and keep some of our recruits still committed to MU next year......Cords/Wild have handled this well in the past (see Crean leaving) and I hope they will handle it well again.
Know what you mean...whether they made all the right choices or not,
many people in the administration, on the Board, and other boosters have made some big league calls and did a lot of other work to accommodate Buzz...more than is compromised to placate the coach at all but a handful of schools that have Hall of Fame-calibur legends at the helm. Given how committed MU is to its hoops program, there is no need to place a crown on a coach who wins for a few years.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2014, 04:50:39 PM
Agree. "I will be here as long as they'll have me" doesn't leave much open to interpretation.
He is a liar and a creep. May he rot at VT.
WHERE ARE ALL THE BUZZ SLURPERS NOW? HIDING UNDER THEIR BEDS.
The guy was a phony and a BSER. End of story.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2014, 06:17:11 PM
WHERE ARE ALL THE BUZZ SLURPERS NOW? HIDING UNDER THEIR BEDS.
The guy was a phony and a BSER. End of story.
Right from the start. Now, will all those who found the need to brag about clicking a button that said "Ignore" also make sure to advertise they are Unignoring you?
He made the admins choose between him and Larry Williams. They choose Buzz, and a few months later he bolts. Character indeed.
Well I guess the "as long as they will have me" part is a lot more interesting now.
How ironic that quote looks now, ouch
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2014, 06:17:11 PM
WHERE ARE ALL THE BUZZ SLURPERS NOW? HIDING UNDER THEIR BEDS.
The guy was a phony and a BSER. End of story.
you're a tool. i always give people the benefit of the doubt till they prove me wrong. buzz said he's stay as long as mu would have him...as long as he stayed i felt he was honest...not we know he's not.
some fee he has the right to change his mind...maybe. but he also had the right to stay or to not say it in the first place. if you talk character and god as much as buzz, then you have to not make statements that huge in nature and change your mind. as that is lying.
Hope VCU and the Shockers lose tonight so we can get on with it
Quote from: ecompt on March 21, 2014, 05:20:12 PM
He is a liar and a creep. May he rot at VT.
Because of the NJ press conference or more?
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on March 21, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Well I guess the "as long as they will have me" part is a lot more interesting now.
Apparently, his rebuttal would be that the "they" changed from a program in the top conference to a mid-major.
He said he stay here as long as he was wanted. He knows he was not wanted, if he has been reading MU Scoop for the last three months, where he was continuously criticised. I am sure that MUscoop was not the only place where he was being questioned and criticised. Maybe he is a little thin skin, but I do not think his leaving violates what he originally said.
If Scoop has ANY effect on a coach wanting to be here or not - get out.
How much more weak-willed could a coach get than to be driven away by a relatively small forum?
Quote from: brandx on March 21, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
If Scoop has ANY effect on a coach wanting to be here or not - get out of the business.
FIFy.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 21, 2014, 06:39:14 PM
Because of the NJ press conference or more?
Because is a lying phony. And, it may turn out, a cheater.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 21, 2014, 05:17:48 PM
What? How?
Crean never pretended to be anything more than he was. Buzz lied.
I am still curious why Buzz was a "different" coach this year. He seemed out of it as the season progressed. He seemed "non-plussed" in a lot of games in the second half. There seemed to be something going on that distracted him or caused him to lose his coaching acuteness. The bottom line was that we was poor game coach this year big time.
Do you think he'll paint his garage MU colors?
WOW - this may be a Scoop record for poster speculation and conclusion drawing without knowing squat. I'm kind of enjoying myself reading it.
WHAT'S EVERYBODY DRINKING!!??!!
Just as I never understood the complete hatred for Crean (he lifted the program and stayed 9 years) I never understood the blind faith in the country bumpkin that Buzz portrayed himself to be. But as they say, FAN is short for fanatic.
Here's to getting a great new coach!
Quote from: avid1010 on March 21, 2014, 06:34:59 PM
you're a tool. i always give people the benefit of the doubt till they prove me wrong. buzz said he's stay as long as mu would have him...as long as he stayed i felt he was honest...not we know he's not.
some fee he has the right to change his mind...maybe. but he also had the right to stay or to not say it in the first place. if you talk character and god as much as buzz, then you have to not make statements that huge in nature and change your mind. as that is lying.
Maybe not. It could be that the administration told him to look for something else rather than just firing him. Makes him look good and the university does not have to explain why they fired him. What is confounding is I think Buzz leaving on his own would get a much better position than VT. With all the rumors of all these other coaches interested in MU has me wondering if this has not been in the works for awhile.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2014, 04:50:39 PM
Agree. "I will be here as long as they'll have me" doesn't leave much open to interpretation.
Maybe they didn't want him anymore. Can that be refuted?
Again, why is everyone so sure Buzz left Marquette?
Doesn't a quit/fire situation make the MOST sense?
Quote from: brandx on March 21, 2014, 05:03:59 PM
Whether you appreciate the job Buzz did while he was here, it is clear he is not what we thought he was or what he claimed to be.
That is not clear. We do not live in a vacuum.
Buzz turns out to be a punk bitch.
I feel better now.
Quote from: chapman on March 21, 2014, 06:27:17 PM
Right from the start. Now, will all those who found the need to brag about clicking a button that said "Ignore" also make sure to advertise they are Unignoring you?
Won't happen. They are still under their beds.
Quote from: chapman on March 21, 2014, 06:27:17 PM
Right from the start. Now, will all those who found the need to brag about clicking a button that said "Ignore" also make sure to advertise they are Unignoring you?
I couldn't agree more. All the sanctimonious crap by the blow hards who ran off to the other board. I think a lot of people owe Willie and Ners an apology. People may not have liked the tone, tenor, or cadence of the message but those two had every right to express an opinion. In the end game it turns out they were correct.
I love the maturity of taking one's toys and going home. Let's see how many are man enough to admit they were wrong.
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 02:25:04 AM
I love the maturity of taking one's toys and going home. Let's see how many are man enough to admit they were wrong.
I will admit I was wrong in recent days about their being nothing to the Buzz is leaving rumors.
But the only thing I disagreed on was who was getting playing time, and I still stand by those beliefs.
I think we have 2 new terms for use on the board "Character revealed" and "Slurper revealed".
At least Crean was just a slimy bastard up front, Buzz was the "aw shucks good ole country boy, don't look at me but I really want all this attention" bastard...
Fool me once, fool me twice.... Slurpers please don't get fooled again...
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2014, 02:25:04 AM
I couldn't agree more. All the sanctimonious crap by the blow hards who ran off to the other board. I think a lot of people owe Willie and Ners an apology. People may not have liked the tone, tenor, or cadence of the message but those two had every right to express an opinion. In the end game it turns out they were correct.
I love the maturity of taking one's toys and going home. Let's see how many are man enough to admit they were wrong.
Thanks Keefe. Probably won't happen.
I do hope that the next coach will be one we can all get behind, but judging from comments I am already seeing here, that likely will not happen.
The last two coaches hired had little or no experience. That suggests to me we could not get a name coach. Now people are saying we should get one. That is fine--but let's not denigrate somebody because he is Brian Wardle or Chew, etc.
Nomination for King of the Slurpers ?
Quote from: avid1010 on March 21, 2014, 06:34:59 PM
you're a tool. i always give people the benefit of the doubt till they prove me wrong. buzz said he's stay as long as mu would have him...as long as he stayed i felt he was honest...not we know he's not.
some fee he has the right to change his mind...maybe. but he also had the right to stay or to not say it in the first place. if you talk character and god as much as buzz, then you have to not make statements that huge in nature and change your mind. as that is lying.
OK, I was not like Ners or Chicos, I thought Buzz was staying and I kinda hoped he would live up to his promise that he would stay here as long as we wanted him.
A lot of us are down in the dumps because we knew we had something special in Buzz. Even though this year was disappointing and we had some questions about rotations, we saw the talent and we saw the potential. Now, we now walk in the valley of death and we do fear evil, because we're afraid we'll get Bob Dukiet or Mike Deane for our next head coach, rather than KO, TC or Buzz.
Thank God Larry WIlliams is gone. I can only image the depth of the Valley of Darkness we would be in if he were locating our next head coach.
I'm cautiously optimistic because we DO have something special, but I share some of your concerns about who we hire (as I said in another post, please, no Brian Wardle).
Maybe Buzz wasn't what we thought he was. Maybe he has thin skin, wants to beat Syracuse once a decade. Or keep trying to beat Louisville. Well, I hope he's happy because in Blacksburg, he has no Al; he has no local celebrity; and, yes, he has no expectations. There won't be 15,500 per night in the arena -- unless they build a new one.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 22, 2014, 06:50:32 AM
Thanks Keefe. Probably won't happen.
I do hope that the next coach will be one we can all get behind, but judging from comments I am already seeing here, that likely will not happen.
The last two coaches hired had little or no experience. That suggests to me we could not get a name coach. Now people are saying we should get one. That is fine--but let's not denigrate somebody because he is Brian Wardle or Chew, etc.
You had to be one of those obnoxious little kids that just doesn't shut up.
Its not about slurping or drinking the kool aid, its about supporting your team. Nothing wrong with questioning the coaches decisions, but the incessant derogatory outbursts about the coach and players is despicable in my opinion. Even worse is the self vindication and calling out Buzz slurpers. Have some class, you are no better the Brew's rant after the 2013 season.
Until proven wrong, you have to take what the coach says at face value. You cant argue with the Buzz's previous years success both on the court and recruiting trail. It may turn out that Buzz was the slime of all time, or maybe he is a different cat and just wanted to try something different and wanted a change of scenery. VA Tech is not a bad place, although the basketball program sucks. No coach is above the program, and the program will survive and thrive.
Move on, the program is in position to make an exciting high profile hire. I would like to see Shaka, Marshall, or Howland in that order.
Ners and Wille were calling it like they saw it. I had no gripes with their posts at all.
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 07:59:01 AM
Ners and Wille were calling it like they saw it. I had no gripes with their posts at all.
Not so much ners. The problem for me wasn't that they posted it, as it was the negative and almost vindictive tone. That and the same crap over, and over and over and over and over and over again. Willie has probably worn out the
S- L- U- R -P- E- R keys on his computer.
Hairy
I did not like negative tone either, but Ners was backed into a corner...one he made, but he was defended himself to some degree. Honestly this was a bad, long season. I checked out for first time in many, many years and that sucked.
I can admit I drank the kool-aid. Met the man several times at Buzz's Bunch, and you doing something that my kid still remembers fondly years later gets you a lot of currency from me. Won't say that I feel betrayed, but surprised, taken-in, maybe even fooled, yes. I'm generally a cynical bastard too--which makes me feel worse for falling for it.
Oh well. I appreciated Crean even if I didn't like him. I will appreciate Buzz for what he accomplished and for the bit of happiness he brought into my life. I trust that Cords is interested in getting a quality coach and MU will be fine. Will still ignore Willie because I simply don't appreciate the constant over the top negativity on a fan message board. Just don't need that in something I'm trying to enjoy.
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:12:58 AM
Hairy
I did not like negative tone either, but Ners was backed into a corner...one he made, but he was defended himself to some degree. Honestly this was a bad, long season. I checked out for first time in many, many years and that sucked.
I am with you, I wasn't much engage this year either.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 22, 2014, 08:06:02 AM
Not so much ners. The problem for me wasn't that they posted it, as it was the negative and almost vindictive tone. That and the same crap over, and over and over and over and over and over again. Willie has probably worn out the
S- L- U- R -P- E- R keys on his computer.
Yeah, Hairy, just like Buzz wore out the same BS over and over, and some people called him out on it. I know Hairy, people do not like to hear that they were wrong--I get it. In Buzz we trust.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 22, 2014, 08:29:34 AM
I am with you, I wasn't much engage this year either.
There were three MU games that I didn't watch a second of even though I had the opportunity. First time since 1968. The program will survive but right now I feel used.
ecompt
Right with you across the board. The school needs to hire new President and get everything back on track.
Quote from: Goose on March 22, 2014, 08:12:58 AM
Hairy
I did not like negative tone either, but Ners was backed into a corner...one he made, but he was defended himself to some degree. Honestly this was a bad, long season. I checked out for first time in many, many years and that sucked.
Goose - MANY here know I've been one of Buzz's biggest fans...a HUGE fan of him throughout. I had his back a ton. Only concerns were: DJ Newbill charade - that was first time I'd posted something negative about Buzz...but chose to give him benefit of doubt. From that point until this season had been unbelievably supportive.
This season, however, his coaching decisions were as inexplicable as the decision to leave MU for Virginia Tech. Wouldn't surprise if this was more of a fire/quit scenario. Obviously, I beat the drum hard about Buzz's insistence to not change the PG or backcourt situation many times over...frustration wasn't so much with Derrick - as it was Buzz for continuing to roll him out 30+ minutes per game when it was clear we were going to struggle. Buzz himself says we play 4 on 5 with him...then why in God's name do you subject yourself to it over and over..when the ONE game he gave Dawson 30 minutes the results were good?
Having Burton on the bench the last 7 minutes of the Xavier game in BET was the final straw for me, in that he totally lost it...
Ners
I agreed wit 95% of what you said this season. Also agree time will tell if fire/quit situation. He was not happy guy this year and actually appeared to have lost his mind with rotations he played. I know you are Buzz guy and love your support of the program.
Quote from: Ners on March 22, 2014, 12:42:47 PM
Goose - MANY here know I've been one of Buzz's biggest fans...a HUGE fan of him throughout. I had his back a ton. Only concerns were: DJ Newbill charade - that was first time I'd posted something negative about Buzz...but chose to give him benefit of doubt. From that point until this season had been unbelievably supportive.
This season, however, his coaching decisions were as inexplicable as the decision to leave MU for Virginia Tech. Wouldn't surprise if this was more of a fire/quit scenario. Obviously, I beat the drum hard about Buzz's insistence to not change the PG or backcourt situation many times over...frustration wasn't so much with Derrick - as it was Buzz for continuing to roll him out 30+ minutes per game when it was clear we were going to struggle. Buzz himself says we play 4 on 5 with him...then why in God's name do you subject yourself to it over and over..when the ONE game he gave Dawson 30 minutes the results were good?
Having Burton on the bench the last 7 minutes of the Xavier game in BET was the final straw for me, in that he totally lost it...
Just another of the many mysteries that came up this year. I doubt we will ever get a good answer to any of these questions. Like Buzz's rotations I am sure there is a reason, but most sane people will never figure them out. Va. Freaking Tech. I'll never get that.
Ners
You were correct and I didn't actually disagree with you, just got tired of the same thing over and over again. You at least made well reasoned arguments. I think goose is correct maybe buzz did check out and in the back of his mind he wanted to prove a point and was too pig headed to change. I think the seniors sans Jake picked up on it and it affected their play. At times j wil seemed like he checked out.
Buzz has character. In the end, he didn't feel MU wanted him. In his head, he feels he stayed as long as MU wanted him. I appreciate his contribution to MU. I think he made a mistake, but if he did, he will pay the price.
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
Buzz has character. In the end, he didn't feel MU wanted him. In his head, he feels he stayed as long as MU wanted him. I appreciate his contribution to MU. I think he made a mistake, but if he did, he will pay the price.
There is a difference between character and values. BW felt Marquette was constraining him and Marquette didn't agree with BW's management of many aspects of his program. BW's values and belief system were at odds with how Marquette's senior leadership wished to run the University.
And make no mistake - the rotations this year were a bloody statement.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 21, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
advancing his career
I guess the word advancing is open to interpretation.
Buzz should have taken a lesson from the last major Wisconsin college athletics coaching departure- Brett Bielema. Going from being the big fish in little pond (a pond that is really not all that small BTW) to the bottom dog in the best conference doesn't look like a great career choice for ole' Brett. Remember, Buzz. Karma.
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
Buzz has character. In the end, he didn't feel MU wanted him. In his head, he feels he stayed as long as MU wanted him. I appreciate his contribution to MU. I think he made a mistake, but if he did, he will pay the price.
Well Tower, time for the ignore button. Character? BS. used car salesman have more character in their tallywhacker than Buzz has.
Quote from: bilsu on March 21, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
He said he stay here as long as he was wanted. He knows he was not wanted, if he has been reading MU Scoop for the last three months, where he was continuously criticised. I am sure that MUscoop was not the only place where he was being questioned and criticised. Maybe he is a little thin skin, but I do not think his leaving violates what he originally said.
Oh noes! Criticism! Let me find my pearls so I can clutch them while I faint! And why doesn't anyone think of the children?!
If Buzz is that thin skinned then he won't make it anywhere.