2 bid league?
Ha, you beat me by 6 seconds!
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 13, 2014, 01:14:42 PM
2 bid league?
This increases the chances of it being at least a 3 bid league....
First time Hall won two BE Tourney games since 2001
Are the Germans circling Pearl Harbor?
Did DePaul beat Creighton yet?
There goes the Nova #1 seed.
I hope DePaul doesn't play soft, because we know how much Greggy McDermott hates hard nosed basketball. The Blue Demons may be able to beat up the Toronto Creighton Blue Jays and give us a chance... If we beat X.
Damn ... I missed it!
Hall musta played great ... or did Nova play horrible?
Has any coach ever underachieved more in tournaments than Jay Wright?
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
Has any coach ever underachieved more in tournaments than Jay Wright?
Tom Crean
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
Has any coach ever underachieved more in tournaments than Jay Wright?
Bo Ryan
John Thompson
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
Has any coach ever underachieved more in tournaments than Jay Wright?
Hmmmm....in 8 NCAA appearances at Villanova, he is 7-1 in first round games, has been to 2 sweet 16s and a Final Four. If that's underachieving, who's average?
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
Has any coach ever underachieved more in tournaments than Jay Wright?
Wright's done well in the NCAA tournament.
He's been good in conference tournaments, but in the NCAA tournament Jamie Dixon has been quite pathetic.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 13, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
Tom Crean
Oh yeah, well how many Final Fours has Jay Wright gone to? ...Oh yeah. Good point.
Honestly, this gives us some remote chance. X, Creighton, and somebody not named Villanova. I suppose hoping for DePaul is asking too much.
As has been discussed this year: Nova is overrated & quite susceptible to bad losses
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 13, 2014, 01:44:15 PM
Tom Crean
Speaking of which, Indiana got bounced in the 8-9 game by Illinois. Possible NIT matchup? That will give the game some juice for us. Hopefully the point is moot as MU surprises and takes the BET.
Now if Providence and DePaul wins we will be set up nicely ;D
Quote from: BenCat12 on March 13, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
This increases the chances of it being at least a 3 bid league....
Yep. As long as they can get by the Hall, the Providence/St. John's winner is a lock. If not, Seton Hall gets to the championship, possibly against a Creighton team that only beat them by one in Omaha three weeks ago. Too nutty to imagine the stolen auto-bid coming there, sending both SHU fans into a frenzy and giving them huge momentum for next year with the recruiting class coming in.
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
Has any coach ever underachieved more in tournaments than Jay Wright?
Brilliant comment E, this should be a whole thread by itself....great topic!
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 13, 2014, 02:02:58 PM
As has been discussed this year: Nova is overrated & quite susceptible to bad losses
Great game, lot of juice to it.
As shocked as I was (and as bad as "losing to Seton Hall" sounds), I don't think this qualifies as a bad loss by definition. SHU kenpom before the game was 91, and now sits at 84. This loss is not nearly as bad as the losses other top teams have, like Duke (ND/Wake), Michigan (Charlotte), Cuse (BC/GTech), and Wisconsin (NW).
That being said, I'm sure the perception and timing of this loss will hurt Nova more than any of those other clubs. They should still be very solid at a #2 seed though.
Huh, look at that. Twice this postseason a team that went 0-2 to another team in the regular season won the 3rd game. How funny...
3 Big East games (thus far) have been decided by a total of 6 points.
That has to be good for the executives over at Fox...
Quote from: esard2011 on March 13, 2014, 02:22:37 PM
Huh, look at that. Twice this postseason a team that went 0-2 to another team in the regular season won the 3rd game. How funny...
If that holds true for the rest of the way, DePaul will win the champ over Seton Hall. As we all expected.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 13, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
If that holds true for the rest of the way, DePaul will win the champ over Seton Hall. As we all expected.
Not saying its fool proof but there is some validity to it.
Quote from: esard2011 on March 13, 2014, 02:33:00 PM
Not saying its fool proof but there is some validity to it.
Completely agree.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 13, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
If that holds true for the rest of the way, DePaul will win the champ over Seton Hall. As we all expected.
Those odds would have to be better than that guy that bet Auburn to win the national championship
Note to Buzz - whatever catering gave Seton Hall and DePaul, order that too
Quote from: esard2011 on March 13, 2014, 02:33:00 PM
Not saying its fool proof but there is some validity to it.
Historically it only happens something like 30% of the time if a team wins the first two. So 2.7% chance of going 3/3. Which is actually higher than our auto-bid chances (1.85%) entering the day.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 13, 2014, 02:03:44 PM
Speaking of which, Indiana got bounced in the 8-9 game by Illinois. Possible NIT matchup? That will give the game some juice for us. Hopefully the point is moot as MU surprises and takes the BET.
Seeing IU get beat got me wondering if they might actually be out of the NIT. 17-15, 7-11 conference. Yes, they have a fan base, but I'm not sure that record is so strong.
Yeah, but T-Cubed has connections and is related to the Harbaughs. Plus he's coachin' at one those iconic, top 5 programs of all time, kinda schools, aina?
Quote from: mug644 on March 13, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
Seeing IU get beat got me wondering if they might actually be out of the NIT. 17-15, 7-11 conference. Yes, they have a fan base, but I'm not sure that record is so strong.
Just to provide some history....last year, St. John's 16-15, Providence 17-14, Washington 18-15, Florida State 18-15, Stanford 18-14, Baylor 18-14, etc, etc all played in the NIT.
Nova's loss makes makes Becky a #1 seed for the time being.
Becky does not deserve a one seed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 13, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
Just to provide some history....last year, St. John's 16-15, Providence 17-14, Washington 18-15, Florida State 18-15, Stanford 18-14, Baylor 18-14, etc, etc all played in the NIT.
Point well taken. I can't imagine them being left out.
Quote from: DoggyDaddy on March 13, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Becky does not deserve a one seed.
Somebody has to get the last one. They stack up just as well as the other candidates (Villanova, Syracuse, Duke, maybe Kansas).
Quote from: Oldgym on March 13, 2014, 03:30:06 PM
Nova's loss makes makes Becky a #1 seed for the time being.
Why, they also lost their last game played, and chances are they will lose in this tourney as well.
I predict Bucky will lose to OK state in Milwaukee in about a week.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 13, 2014, 04:45:29 PM
Why, they also lost their last game played, and chances are they will lose in this tourney as well.
I predict Bucky will lose to OK state in Milwaukee in about a week.
Chances are. But until that actually happens, they're a 1.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 13, 2014, 02:17:58 PM
As shocked as I was (and as bad as "losing to Seton Hall" sounds), I don't think this qualifies as a bad loss by definition.
lol
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 13, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
Just to provide some history....last year, St. John's 16-15, Providence 17-14, Washington 18-15, Florida State 18-15, Stanford 18-14, Baylor 18-14, etc, etc all played in the NIT.
Indiana is fortunate the tourney no longer looks at how teams finish the season. In typical TC fashion IU crapped the bed down the stretch, losing 7 of their last 10 and 10 of their last 15.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 13, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
Hmmmm....in 8 NCAA appearances at Villanova, he is 7-1 in first round games, has been to 2 sweet 16s and a Final Four. If that's underachieving, who's average?
His record has been boosted somewhat by going 4-0 in NCAA games on his home court. He has won one NCAA game in the past three seasons, and that was as a No. 2 seed in a 2-15 game that went overtime.
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
His record has been boosted somewhat by going 4-0 in NCAA games on his home court. He has won one NCAA game in the past three seasons, and that was as a No. 2 seed in a 2-15 game that went overtime.
Seriously?!?! They've been to the tournament two of the last three years, and they won one, lost one both times. I never mentioned his overall tournament W-L record. I'll say again, 7-1 in NCAA
first round games. 8 appearances total - 2 sweet 16s, one elite 8, and one Final Four. How on earth does that qualify as being an underachieving tournament coach? BTW, since you brought it up, his overall NCAA record at Villanova...14-8. If that's underachieving, I'd like to see what achievement looks like. .
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 13, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
Seriously?!?! They've been to the tournament two of the last three years, and they won one, lost one both times. I never mentioned his overall tournament W-L record. I'll say again, 7-1 in NCAA first round games. 8 appearances total - 2 sweet 16s, one elite 8, and one Final Four. How on earth does that qualify as being an underachieving tournament coach? BTW, since you brought it up, his overall NCAA record at Villanova...14-8. If that's underachieving, I'd like to see what achievement looks like. .
There is a sizable portion of Nova fans who are not enamored of Jay Wright. I'm sure that's hard for you to believe in Wisconsin but travel out here and ask the friends and fans of the program.
For a coach like Buzz, that'd be a hell of a record. For a coach like Dapper Jay who brought in multiple NBA prospects early in his tenure, it can be seen as underachieving relative to expectations. It's just the way things are with the fanatical expectations and standards.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 13, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
Seriously?!?! They've been to the tournament two of the last three years, and they won one, lost one both times. I never mentioned his overall tournament W-L record. I'll say again, 7-1 in NCAA first round games. 8 appearances total - 2 sweet 16s, one elite 8, and one Final Four. How on earth does that qualify as being an underachieving tournament coach? BTW, since you brought it up, his overall NCAA record at Villanova...14-8. If that's underachieving, I'd like to see what achievement looks like. .
Buzz has done more in three years with much less talent without the benefit of four home games. And it becomes much easier to reach the Elite Eight when you are playing at home. Ask John Wooden.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 13, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
Indiana is fortunate the tourney no longer looks at how teams finish the season. In typical TC fashion IU crapped the bed down the stretch, losing 7 of their last 10 and 10 of their last 15.
I agree. Though I hardly think IU crapped the bed last year winning 17 of 23, capturing a Big Ten title. Or winning 10 of their last 15 to use your numbers. Or the year prior going 11-4 in the last 15, again to use your numbers. So not sure what is typical or fashionable since it doesn't seem the facts align with your comments.
I would also agree how a team finishes certainly has benefited MU as well, considering in our last 15 we are 7-8, worse than any of the previous two years at the other school you wanted to argue were "crapping the bed and typical"......... :o
I guess as an alum of both schools I should feel blessed that both schools are getting a pass this year since both have done a nice job of soiling the sheets....hopefully MU can pull it off, certainly the road to get there is much much easier for us and I expect us to take advantage of it.
Quote from: ecompt on March 13, 2014, 07:11:40 PM
Buzz has done more in three years with much less talent without the benefit of four home games. And it becomes much easier to reach the Elite Eight when you are playing at home. Ask John Wooden.
So it sounds like maybe Buzz overachieved. Not the same question. I still have yet to see anything from you to explain how Jay Wright has "underachieved." Playing at home one year...that's great, they still won the games.