Senior day.
Thanks to our seniors.
Heres to seeing you play as a Warrior at least four more times this year?
So WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!!!
4 game winning streak, starts today!!
Thanks to the seniors. Seeing all of the good and the bad early of the Oxtule combo. Time to bring in somebody else in to guard the perimeter.
Once again, our D blows big time in defending the 3 pointer. Time to try something new.
Anyone have a place to watch online?
Our gamechanging PG blows both his FT's. Can't ever remember a worse shooting PG.
Turnover by the game changer
Harrison just schooled the game changer
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2014, 11:14:13 AM
Our gamechanging PG blows both his FT's. Can't ever remember a worse shooting PG.
Homer recommended underhand on the radio
mayo with a 3, then a 12 foot airball.
SJU is more athletic. Ox and Todd now taking dumb shots. Dawson, one touch, one turnover. And Todd with the dumb foul.
Sounds like a morgue in there.
Announcer said. Derrick has no confidence at the line
Dawson enters and immediately turns it over.
the whistle blowers are not going MU's way so far?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2014, 11:19:24 AM
Dawson enters and immediately turns it over.
And is immediately yanked.
I see Keady has lost his rug.
Ox getting hammered and the refs are loving St. John's.
Apparently, it is open season on Gardner. Wow. Dawson, one touch, one turnover, one seat.
I graduated in '91. You have to go way back to find an MU team this bad.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 08, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
And is immediately yanked.
Yep--when will Buzz pull the trigger that quick on his boy the game changer?
Same Old Marquette, playing at half speed.
SJU is too fast, attack the rim strongly versus a below average MU defensive team.
I won't be surprised if DWil and Jake combine for 10 points total. SJU closes out quickly and they're long.
I said SJU will win by 10. It may be 15-20.
They're hungry for an NCAA bid, and it looks like MU doesn't know how to play spoiler.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 08, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
And is immediately yanked.
He's a turnover machine against any kind of pressure man to man. Today he's thron 1 pass and it gave St John's 3 points.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 11:23:11 AM
SJU is too fast, attack the rim strongly versus a below average MU defensive team.
I won't be surprised if DWil and Jake combine for 10 points total. SJU closes out quickly and they're long.
I said SJU will win by 10. It may be 15-20.
They're hungry for an NCAA bid, and it looks like MU doesn't know how to play spoiler.
I think 10 points is being generous.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
Apparently, it is open season on Gardner. Wow. Dawson, one touch, one turnover, one seat.
Ners, don't think Buzz got your memo on 25 minutes for Dawson.
Getting our behinds kicked again.
Deonte.....two defensive lapses with a beautiful take sandwiched in the middle. Two fouls on Todd. Not an auspicious start.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 08, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
I think 10 points is being generous.
No, Derrick will go 10-12 from the line.
And the horrific FT shooting rears it's head.
Burton blows his FT's. Good day to start sniffing glue.
Two great set ups by Derrick in a row.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2014, 11:26:40 AM
No, Derrick will go 10-12 from the line.
Got an extra zero in there.
Wilson has disappeared as the season has progressed..sad
Jamil just cannot be relied on to make big shots.
Jamil clangs a wide open 3, uncontested. The stink is starting to rumble.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
Apparently, it is open season on Gardner. Wow. Dawson, one touch, one turnover, one seat.
Yep..one mistake and to the bench...really confidence inspiring coaching and a great way to play relaxed...how many mistakes do we get to watch Derrick make and continue to get 30+ minutes?
Another clank by jamil!!!
Happy graduation!!
The Ox trying for an academy award for flopping.
Yikes- alone in the corner, alone on the FT line.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2014, 11:27:48 AM
Burton blows his FT's. Good day to start sniffing glue.
Well that explains alot
Burton is our best player.
Jamil clanking another 3. Time for the pines for him.
Jamil....so much ability. Derrick doing a nice job of creating for others. Nice follow.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
Yep..one mistake and to the bench...really confidence inspiring coaching and a great way to play relaxed...how many mistakes do we get to watch Derrick make and continue to get 30+ minutes?
relax Ners. Buzz is showing us all that he is the man.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 08, 2014, 11:32:41 AM
Burton is our best player.
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Very well might be on the offensive end.
Since this season ended up being pointless, it would have been interesting to see Burton, Dawson and JJJ get a ton of playing time and see how much they would have improved.
Buzz has a problem. Jamil is once again off of his game and Todd is on the bench with 2 fouls. So, who to put in? Juan, STjr?
Anyone who still thinks Burton isn't one of our five best overall players is succumbing to their own confirmation bias at this point.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 08, 2014, 11:34:53 AM
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Very well might be on the offensive end.
Since this season ended up being pointless, it would have been interesting to see Burton, Dawson and JJJ get a ton of playing time and see how much they would have improved.
Sad this all year. Why stunt the growth of the future for upperclassmen who you know are bad and won't improve.
Burton's our team's best statistical defender as well. Can we stop with the nonsense of him being a poor defender already?
Anybody notice that Greene?
Deonte should have been the 5th starter for a while. Once again, no foul on Gardner on one end, ticky tack on Wilson.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 08, 2014, 11:36:38 AM
Burton's our team's best statistical defender as well. Can we stop with the nonsense of him being a poor defender already?
No kidding it's one of those things where one person says it and everyone else runs with it.
Then people act like Derrick is god on defense, WRONG.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 11:38:06 AM
Deonte should have been the 5th starter for a while. Once again, no foul on Gardner on one end, ticky tack on Wilson.
Reason they called Derrick I think is because he reached in from behind. But it is bs they call that and not the Davante one.
Man on that travel I thought they were about to call another foul.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 08, 2014, 11:36:38 AM
Burton's our team's best statistical defender as well. Can we stop with the nonsense of him being a poor defender already?
Some are all about "lockdown" as opposed to actually making plays on defense.
I would appreciate some home cooking. Last play is something Burton is going to have to work around. Great position, blockout, went up as high as he could and the 6'9 he was guarding reached over him without fouling.
The real story is that we all thought Jamil would avg. 19 and 5. Instead he averages 4 Fouls and 0 points. Such high hopes and instead an unfulfilled Sr. Year. He literally hasn't done crap. I'm at the game and it is ridiculous how small his impact has been on the game.
On the play where Derrick slashed into the lane and dumped off to Gardner, who went up and got the basket due to goaltending....does Derrick get the assist?
Ox is getting absolutely hammered out there, and Buzz is standing nonchalantly on the sidelines with his arms folded, not protesting at all. way to protect your player, Buzz.
Jake is cold, Todd has two fouls, Jamil is invisible....thank goodness for Burton.
Otule comes in to make an immediate foul.
dawson just came in--probably for his usual minute.
If he had gotten a T, you would be whining about that, too.
This is a typical JT no show performance and would be a great time for JJJ to get some pt. St Johns athleticism is too much for him and he can't do anything against them.
Willie literally everything you have said today is b!tching. Not one thing different, and we're not even losing...
Jamil gets knocked on his ass in front of ref and no call.
dawson gets stripped. He be done!
Not a good day for Dawson. So far.
Quote from: weareMU13 on March 08, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
Willie literally everything you have said EVERY TIME YOU HAVE EVER COME TO THIS BOARD is b!tching. Not one thing different, and we're not even losing...
FIFY
Students just started spring break. Explains the morgue like atmosphere. WAY TO GO, JAKE!
Let Dawson play. At least he is a scoring threat
Quote from: weareMU13 on March 08, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
Willie literally everything you have said today is b!tching. Not one thing different, and we're not even losing...
yes I have been bitching a lot about the officiating--which is terrible. Thanks for noticing.
And yes, we have been losing for most of the half. Thanks for noticing that also.
Wow now that's a big break!!!
We got this one.
;D
I'll take that half time lead!
That was cool.
Reading this thread, you would think we were down by 40.
Willie, go take a nap.
Quote from: weareMU13 on March 08, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
Willie literally everything you have said today is b!tching. Not one thing different, and we're not even losing...
Sorry that you do not like criticism of the coach and the PG. But OK, ignorance is bliss so I will now be blissful.
Hope that last shot gets Jake going.
Can someone do an objective summary. I'm waiting for the auto train and no video/audio access on android tablet.
Thanks much. Looks like Gardner and Burton are kicking butt.
Gardner and Burton kicking butt is the objective analysis. MU started out hot, St. John's dominated for about 10 minutes, typical MU scoring drought. Gardner is getting mugged every time he gets the ball in the post. MU started scrapping, worked it back, and Thomas made a 3 at the buzzer to put MU up 1.
Quote from: elephantraker on March 08, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
Let Dawson play. At least he is a scoring threat
Scoring threat for whom? He scored 5 points for St Johns in less than two minutes on two really bad turnovers, zero points for MU. Yeah, we need more of that.
did i hear that right? gods gift or Godsgift? really
Quote from: Class71 on March 08, 2014, 12:02:48 PM
Can someone do an objective summary. I'm waiting for the auto train and no video/audio access on android tablet.
Thanks much. Looks like Gardner and Burton are kicking butt.
Big difference is they are shooting 67% from 3 pt line. Greene 3/4 (ouch). Our offense has been all Davante/Burton, Mayo 2 fouls, bad Jamil 1-4 fg 0-3 3pt (ouch).
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 08, 2014, 12:06:36 PM
Scoring threat for whom? He scored 5 points for St Johns in less than two minutes on two really bad turnovers, zero points for MU. Yeah, we need more of that.
Spot on. Our PG situation is dire to say the least.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Gardner and Burton kicking butt is the objective analysis. MU started out hot, St. John's dominated for about 10 minutes, typical MU scoring drought. Gardner is getting mugged every time he gets the ball in the post. MU started scrapping, worked it back, and Thomas made a 3 at the buzzer to put MU up 1.
Thanks. Get Mayo in with Burton and Gardner we give them a real run. Hopefully Dawson can give some offense from point or Jake gets hot. Go get them Warriors. A win is the best senior day for all.
Quote from: newsdrms on March 08, 2014, 12:07:14 PM
Big difference is they are shooting 67% from 3 pt line. Greene 3/4 (ouch). Our offense has been all Davante/Burton, Mayo 2 fouls, bad Jamil 1-4 fg 0-3 3pt (ouch).
I hope I'm not the only one seeing the problem with jamils line.
Hint: it's % of shots being from 4
So, what's everyone drinking today, or tonight as the announcers keep saying?
Gonna pour a Jack to anticipation of at least 4 in a row!
I hate fouls on centers 40 feet out.
All the day dreamers on this board can say what they want, but the inability to recognize a press after a made basket is bad bb IQ. Stupid play, sloppily coached. Buzz will defiantly show self righteous indignation on the radio post game.
PS our D makes every team look like the Clippers.
Every time a student wears a headdress the warrior name dies a little bit more...
Recognizing a press being shown for the first time all game is the responsibility of the players on the floor.
Bardo sucks. Where is KO?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on March 08, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
Every time a student wears a headdress the warrior name dies a little bit more...
Wrong.
Since the name will never come back, seeing a student with a headdress just keeps the name alive.
Just got home and turned the game on.
Weird comments in here, thought we'd be down 15.
Two really nice moves by Burton with nothing to show for it. Stay aggressive, medium-sized fella.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 08, 2014, 12:29:38 PM
Just got home and turned the game on.
Weird comments in here, thought we'd be down 15.
It got better once Willie logged out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 08, 2014, 12:06:36 PM
Scoring threat for whom? He scored 5 points for St Johns in less than two minutes on two really bad turnovers, zero points for MU. Yeah, we need more of that.
Could you please be sure to point out the same things when roles reversed? Hard to play loose when you make 1 mistake and get yanked...not exactly confidence inspiring.
3 guard line up now
Not for long.....
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
Could you please be sure to point out the same things when roles reversed? Hard to play loose when you make 1 mistake and get yanked...not exactly confidence inspiring.
I wish Dawson would play more. Having said that, he's much better against zone or loose man to man.
Dawson should play more.
Goddam. This is an exciting game
Burton is really, really good.
Two hustle plays in a row. Shame nothing is falling right now.
Where is Steve, Jr.?
Give a Burton with lots of extra Mayo
They are fighting boys, they are fighting!
Burton is going to be a hell of a player for us
Amazing that Burton hasn't seen the court much more this season.
Aggressive, strong, unafraid to take on defenders, and can hit the shot.
Needs to work on cutting TOs and being more selective with his shot.
Which is what has been said about Burton every game. Potential, needs to tighten up on the TO's.
More problems with BOOB plays.
It is rare that the refs can blow two calls against the home team in 3.5 seconds, but they did it.
Thank you, zebras.
What is going on with the Wilsons? :o ?-( :-\ :'(
Jamil is crap.
Jamil asleep
?How many points have we given up on inbounds plays? Guys have to watch the ball
where's that IQ thread...
Great rebound, fell asleep. Jamil in microcosm.
I'm sick of this crap. Margin for error is too small and they act like they're blowing everyone out. That last sequence made me sick. They can play hard, but they're stupid and that pisses me off.
Down 4 - we need some Ox.
Where is Burton?
Need some heart
Jake, thinking he is Ox.
MU put 2 teams into the tourney this week. They should be proud.
Really? Burton time. Don't care if it senior day, Jamil is hurting the team
Do we fold or pick it up? Let's see some heart
This year's senior class not making plays at winning time. Leadership issue, not a PG issue.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
This year's senior class not making plays at winning time. Leadership issue, not a PG issue.
Wrong--PG issue.
Dawson, dawson, dawson and if Burton is not in get him in now.
How is Burton not in the game?
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 08, 2014, 12:55:55 PM
MU put 2 teams into the tourney this week. They should be proud.
Tankin for tournament shares. Maybe we'll have enough money to not have to bring in Grambling next year.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Wrong--PG issue.
SJU gets a six point lead and Derrick gets cramps...and Lavin calls timeout. Hmmmmm.
Croshere is anti-MU.
Gardner gets cleanly stripped and then stomps his feet and whines like a baby.
That's what you get out of a time out?
Senior leadership. Make a bad move, get stripped, pout.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 08, 2014, 01:02:15 PM
Croshere is anti-MU.
Not anti MU, he's staining the obvious that we suck.
After all this time he still doesn't pass out of a triple team
Tough shot by Samsom.
Only 8 played today by Buzz, Dawson for only about 90 seconds.
Burton is he in?
How did Samspon make that shot? No one was within 15' of him? WTF? Crowd on its feet, do or die...leave a dude wide for a J. Go ahead and say whatever. This team is weak as hell. No way they win the BET or 1 game in the BET
Nm
I hate toast
Four home losses in a season. Disgusting.
Quote from: chapman on March 08, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
SJU gets a six point lead and Derrick gets cramps...and Lavin calls timeout. Hmmmmm.
Noticed that too...
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
This year's senior class not making plays at winning time. Leadership issue, not a PG issue.
It's statements like this that make you lose all credibility...our PG has 38 minutes of playing time and has amassed 2 points and 2 turnovers...although he did have 5 assists...okay...it is all leadership..meanwhile the opponents PG has 16 points, 5 assists, 4 steals..
Keystone cops on inbounds and missed FTs is the game.
Let's put blame where it's due; our older almuni fan base, the shitty crowds at the BC, Fox Sports 1, the refs, etc.
When was the last time we had a starting guard duo that has produced a small amount of points (average over a season = 13.1 ppg combined)?
I scrolled back to 2001-02 and every season there was ONE GUARD who averaged more than these two did together.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
Could you please be sure to point out the same things when roles reversed? Hard to play loose when you make 1 mistake and get yanked...not exactly confidence inspiring.
You want JD to play more because we have nothing to lose. You're wrong. In a minute and a half he was the difference today.
Where is Juan, our great practice player?
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
Noticed that too...
It's statements like this that make you lose all credibility...our PG has 38 minutes of playing time and has amassed 2 points and 2 turnovers...although he did have 5 assists...okay...it is all leadership..meanwhile the opponents PG has 16 points, 5 assists, 4 steals..
Ners, Tower is correct.
Automatic.....bid to the NIT
MU should be grateful that so many fans turned out this season for such an un-enjoyable team to watch.
OT! Are you kidding me!
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;D ;D ;D
How'd that happen? Assist by Buzz for not calling timeout to draw up one of his terrible plays.
If Derick is the starting PG next year, it's going to be more of the same.
You just can't afford to have such a nothing as the floor leader.
Did that really just happen?
Way to go boys!
W
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W
:o
Got in the car w 22 seconds left down 6; can't believe what I just heard!
Been avoiding the board, because of all the negativity...but wow! Never giving up and fighting to the finish...another OT>
6 points in the last 11 seconds?!?!? They never quit. Wow. As frustrating as this game was, they didn't freakin quit! 6th OT conference game of the year. 1 out of every 3. Stupid.
Great gonads by the warriors to fight back and put it to OT.
Great drive by Mayo to tie. Clutch basket also by Jake, and clutch FT's by Ox.
Some Senior leadership!
How in the hell do they give Derrick an assist for that last play??
Leeeeeegggsssss
This is all on you.
Is this doable?
Now can we get burton in? Please chant if you are at the game. Help the seniors, get the win.
Quote from: mubuzz on March 08, 2014, 01:17:07 PM
How in the hell do they give Derrick an assist for that last play??
So, MU scores 6 pts in the last 11 seconds to force overtime and your hatred is so great that you are complaining because the stat guy gave Derrick an assist. Character revealed. Agenda, too.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:19:36 PM
So, MU scores 6 pts in the last 11 seconds to force overtime and your hatred is so great that you are complaining because the stat guy gave Derrick an assist. Character revealed. Agenda, too.
+2
In a sense of strangeness. Both teams game into this game averaging 72 points per game. They went into overtime tied at 72.
To add to the surrealism, Mayo misses FT's
And Gardner continues to not get calls on the block, while MU gets ticky-tacked at the other end.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:19:36 PM
So, MU scores 6 pts in the last 11 seconds to force overtime and your hatred is so great that you are complaining because the stat guy gave Derrick an assist. Character revealed. Agenda, too.
I am ecstatic that we tied the game and went to ot...think we are going to win now! Just don't understand how they give him an assist when he handed the ball off and and let's mayo drive to the hoop. It gives people like you more false hope that he is a game changer
Horrible call there, if anything could have been an offensive foul for a push off. Jamil had position.
Aaaand 1
I have never said that Derrick was a game changer. I have consistently said he is the best PG on this year's team. Huge difference.
Just let Mayo go to work.
THE OX
Apparently, you can hook your defender and take 2.5 steps along the baseline if you are on the road playing MU.
You cannot get your own rebound if it doesn't hit the rim.....unless you are on the road against MU.
God. Derrick was gona walk it up the court again.
12 is terrible. Almost turned it over before the TO. He sucks. Deal with it.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 08, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
God. Derrick was gona walk it up the court again.
yes he was--the gamechanging PG.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 08, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
God. Derrick was gona walk it up the court again.
I literally just yelled NOT AGAIN GO! at my tv. Then he almost turned it over.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 08, 2014, 01:29:41 PM
12 is terrible. Almost turned it over before the TO. He sucks. Deal with it.
He gives MU a better chance to win than any other PG on the roster this season. Deal with it.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 08, 2014, 01:17:21 PM
Leeeeeegggsssss
This is all on you.
Is this doable?
Ok. Now home. So doable! Todd please.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 08, 2014, 01:29:41 PM
12 is terrible. Almost turned it over before the TO. He sucks. Deal with it.
Noticed that, too.
Stumbled and fell...just awful.
These refs are legit special ed.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:16:40 PM
6 points in the last 11 seconds?!?!? They never quit. Wow. As frustrating as this game was, they didn't freakin quit! 6th OT conference game of the year. 1 out of every 3. Stupid.
Need better leadership..
Wow Mayo fouled twice on that play and St. John's travels and 3 no calls on one play.
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 01:32:44 PM
Wow Mayo fouled twice on that play and St. John's travels and 3 no calls on one play.
Unbelievable
They were keying on Mayo there - had to call #23.
Guess Higgins and Burr aren't the only Big East refs that ignore the last few seconds.
3 straight possessions for St Johns, 3 travels. no calls.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:24:58 PM
I have never said that Derrick was a game changer. I have consistently said he is the best PG on this year's team. Huge difference.
Hard to say if you don't give equal minutes to Dawson.
DWil 30.4 min > Dawson 10.7 min
You don't know what Dawson may have given this team.
This is killing fox sports 1
How many calls are MU not going to get? In the last 30 seconds of this overtime,
1. The hook on the offensive end leading to the lay up.
2. Offensive player getting his own rebound on an airball.
3. 'Strip' on Mayo
4. Non-travel.
And MU is at home. Astounding.
These guys are killing me.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:30:34 PM
He gives MU a better chance to win than any other PG on the roster this season. Deal with it.
yes he does, especially with his FT acumen.
Lets get fouls on Sampson and Harrison.
Are we playing in Marquette?
Come on Chris, second OT offensive rebounding foul.
When Thomas misses, he really bricks it.
Smart foul by Derrick.
Good foul by DWil.
Boom goes the...
Jake!
Jamil passing up a really good shot.....Jake coming up big
Jamil proving that the wide open FT line jumper is not really a good shot. My bad.
Lack of defense is our weak spot.
Stop doing offense defense buzz it doesn't work.
Leave your best players in.
Davante should not sit
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:40:53 PM
Jamil proving that the wide open FT line jumper is not really a good shot. My bad.
It seems like we struggle to make the wide open shots, whereas other teams knock down theres.
ALL BALL!!!
Horrible call there should have been a jump ball.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:38:20 PM
Smart foul by Derrick.
Where would we be without his brilliance??!!
I'm trying to think how many games we would have won if we could make free throws
Jamil fouling out on a clean tie up, after all of the mugging of Davante. Deonte fans, you are going to get your wish......whoops. Foul on Jake.
big possession.
See ya Sampson!!!!
Pass the ball Todd--trying to force it now.
Make the FT's
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
Where would we be without his brilliance??!!
Come on Ners. Great game, and you need to be an a$$hole.
Big time play by Mayo. Smart, Sampson went for the block earlier in the game and got a piece of the ball...this time Mayo does the pump fake and makes him pay.
Where are those geniuses here who thought the team would be better without Mayo??!!
Did MU have a timeout?
And we lost
Another stupendously bad call! Out of bounds to MU.....I mean, foul on Mayo. Harrison from 30. Nothing you can do about that.
Wow just wow, Mayo fouled on the shot. Call a touch foul on Mayo in a mad scramble for the ball.
The game changer took his eyes off harrison and he stung him
Give it to Burton, he has a way to get the ball in the bucket.
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 01:48:33 PM
Wow just wow, Mayo fouled on the shot. Call a touch foul on Mayo in a mad scramble for the ball.
Yeah this is ridiculous
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
Another stupendously bad call! Out of bounds to MU.....I mean, foul on Mayo. Harrison from 30. Nothing you can do about that.
You mean Harrison from 23'? With his defender playing 4' off of him? Harrison has pulled from that range on 2 other occasions today...LOCKDOWN!
Buzz won't call a play for burton, but if he touches it, he will take it!
The ball did not go out of bounds. My bad.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 01:49:35 PM
You mean Harrison from 23'? With his defender playing 4' off of him? Harrison has pulled from that range on 2 other occasions today...LOCKDOWN!
Yep, no reason to leave him that open.
Anyone else wanna see Burton take this???
Not another timeout. Let's hope the play breaks down so we manage to get a shot off, whatever Buzz is drawing up will be terrible.
Buzz drawing up a play.
Loss.
I want Gardner working down low. Let the senior win it or lose it.
Great TO by Buzz w/ 13 secs left. Not over thinking it at all. PS JT made the 3 post TO.
Rather see Ox get fouled
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
Another stupendously bad call! Out of bounds to MU.....I mean, foul on Mayo. Harrison from 30. Nothing you can do about that.
Your blind love for the gamechanger is ridiculous. Look at the replay. Derrick was off him 4 feet and looked away so the guy drained it!
Gardners been way too passive lately...particularly that last cluster f*ck of a possession
Fantastic play buzz!!!
OMG
Fitting ending Call a play for Derrick
Wilson with the shot? Bullshit
hat was the best we could do? The worst shooter on the team shoots. The gamechanger--great play Buzz.
I just have to laugh...I'm sorry, but that was so fitting
Was sitting 10 rows up on the baseline for that shot.... Thing never had a chance
Sure, let's have the guy who couldn't make a perimeter jumper or a free throw in an empty gym take the final shot in a double overtime game. Genius.
The last 19 seconds were a microcosm od this season. Derrick doing the only thing he knows how to do - dribble the ball going nowhere.
Well I for one am just shocked the game changer missed that :o
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 08, 2014, 01:52:55 PM
Fantastic play buzz!!!
That wasn't the play he drew up. Watch Burton, either he was in the wrong place and didn't know where to go or someone else did not run the right play. Ended up having both Burton and Gardner on the same side with nothing to do...someone didn't pay attn in the timeout.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 08, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
I just have to laugh...I'm sorry, but that was so fitting
Derrick Wilson shoots that ball?!
I LAUGHED ALOUD!
Horsecrap.
A senior should have shot that.
DOWN WITH DERRICK.
Can Derrick graduate early? Let's celebrate his last game now!!!!!!
A lot of the crappiness that was this season has to fall on Buzz.
Derrick taking the final shot? Amazingly bad.
Tell me Derrick had to take the shot. Why was he on the court?
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
That wasn't the play he drew up. Watch Burton, either he was in the wrong place and didn't know where to go or someone else did not run the right play. Ended up having both Burton and Gardner on the same side with nothing to do...someone didn't pay attn in the timeout.
And THAT'S what you get for starting an offensively inept PG.
No excuses.
Any meaningful possession (or perhaps any possession) that ends with a Derrick mid-range jumper is an abomination.
Jamil was too much of a kitten to take the last shot. Playing scared
Why not Burton?
I am gutted after this game. We really could have won those last two games. I'm not a D-Wil hater, but he absolutely has no business taking potential game winners.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
And THAT'S what you get for starting an offensively inept PG.
No excuses.
That one of our bigs runs the wrong play it is on the PG? Explain that one to me.
I am going to choose to remember this senior class based on their first 3 years (or 5 in one case) and completely deny that this year even happened
if we're going to lose two double OT games in a row, that was a funny way to lose the second at least.
He dribbled away half the time and then passed it Jamil who was right next to him and immediately covered...bad decision making
Quote from: Class71 on March 08, 2014, 01:55:39 PM
Tell me Derrick had to take the shot. Why was he on the court?
Why was he on the court for 48 minutes???????????
If I were Lavin, I would have had someone foul Derrick early on.
Really shows how bad we hurt with not having Mayo. Play should have been designed for Burton. I really did want shot to fall for Derrick as much as the team...would have been a huge win...and nice for Derrick. Another bitter pill to swallow after Providence..
Quote from: brandx on March 08, 2014, 01:56:44 PM
Why was he on the court for 48 minutes???????????
Yes and he had 2 points.
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
That one of our bigs runs the wrong play it is on the PG? Explain that one to me.
How many times are you going to defend Derrick after another horrible game. It WASN'T just the last play.
Quote from: chapman on March 08, 2014, 01:51:37 PM
Not another timeout. Let's hope the play breaks down so we manage to get a shot off, whatever Buzz is drawing up will be terrible.
The ball in Derrick Wilson's hands for 10 of the final 13 seconds, including the shot attempt. Buzz, please hire a competent assistant and have him take care of these situations. Or just don't call the timeout because whatever wizardry you think up never works.
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
That wasn't the play he drew up. Watch Burton, either he was in the wrong place and didn't know where to go or someone else did not run the right play. Ended up having both Burton and Gardner on the same side with nothing to do...someone didn't pay attn in the timeout.
Then draw up a play they will understand. It's never the play Buzz draws up because he does not draw up plays that have a chance of working.
Attn everyone accusing Buzz of drawing that play up for DW....pull your head out of your ass
Buzz drew up a real winner play
For all you jags that just watch the game to tag on Derrick, Jamil had the ball in his hands and chose to give it up. So suck on that.
Do not blame the players. We were Buzzed cut again. Derrick should no have been on the floor. He plays D not O period. Buzz knows that.
SJU gagged the game for us to even get there. Yes, it would have been nice to win it, but honestly I don't know how we were ever even in a position to win that game. SJU fans were probably going bat crazy at the end of regulation.
That last play with MU........what can you say. Dribbling around like there was 30 seconds on the clock, never looking to get it down low, then giving to Jamil in a tough spot, leading to D Will taking the game winner.
Hmmmm
Agreed...Jamil didn't want to be the guy, but it would be nice if he could pass it someone that can make a simple 5 footer.
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
That one of our bigs runs the wrong play it is on the PG? Explain that one to me.
No explanation for that but explain it to me that you have a PG on the floor who has only TWO FGs to his name over the past FOUR GAMES.
Buzz lived and died with him.
And killed a possible victory today as well as possible other games this season.
Derrick should never get major minutes ever again.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 08, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
For all you jags that just watch the game to tag on Derrick, Jamil had the ball in his hands and chose to give it up. So suck on that.
I thought Jamil made the right play considering the defense on him. I just don't understand why it was going there in the first place with 3.5 seconds left, but maybe that's all that was available.
Can't blame someone for not being in the right place. This is the same play we run at the end of every game. DW dribbles around until there's 3 seconds left, and then desperately hands off to Mayo 30 feet from the basket to try some miraculous buzzer beater. Switch Mayo for Burton and it's all just the same.
I don't know what Buzz drew up but Deonte looked lost and nobody seemed to want the shot. Derrick took the open one and that's how the season went.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
And THAT'S what you get for starting an offensively inept PG.
No excuses.
And we end the year with three, 3, THREE straight losses. A fantastic year of coaching by EL Buzzo. And playing an inept PG for almost the entire game.
What a huge joke and sham this year has been. Thank you Buzz.
Quote from: PE8983 on March 08, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
Can't blame someone for not being in the right place. This is the same play we run at the end of every game. DW dribbles around until there's 3 seconds left, and then desperately hands off to Mayo 30 feet from the basket to try some miraculous buzzer beater. Switch Mayo for Burton and it's all just the same.
But if you switch Mayo for Derrick and insert Burton, you may get different results.
(http://soundfit.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/albert-einstein-insanity.jpg)
Watching, it was obvious that it was supposed to be a pass in to Gardner on the low block. Burton, jumping the gun by a season, went to the same spot as Davante. Gardner went to the high block. Wilson started a little weave. Jamil got the ball with the 3.5 seconds left on a broken play. Instead of attacking, he once again chose to not lead, dumping the ball off to Derrick. Derrick had no choice but to shoot. Blame on that last sequence falls first to Burton and then to Jamil.
The possession that lost this game was the Todd's miss right before he fouled out. Derrick looked scared to have the ball, Gardner wanted NOTHING to do with the ball, so Todd, the only one who was actually playing out there was forced to drive on 3 defenders so we at least got a shot off.
Btw, that possession falls as much on Gardner as DW. Gardner did nothing down the stretch except get a paint touch and pass immediately.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2014, 02:01:15 PM
I thought Jamil made the right play considering the defense on him. I just don't understand why it was going there in the first place with 3.5 seconds left, but maybe that's all that was available.
I agree. Jamil was Doubled and passed to the open player. Unfortunately that player was dwill
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 01:57:07 PM
Really shows how bad we hurt with not having Mayo. Play should have been designed for Burton. I really did want shot to fall for Derrick as much as the team...would have been a huge win...and nice for Derrick. Another bitter pill to swallow after Providence..
The play was designed to either go to Jake in the corner on a double screen, or get the ball to Burton in the high post with Gardner in the low post.
St. John's came out showing man (they probably had two different plays one for man the other for zone). So they went with the play I outline above.
Despite showing man, St. John's switched to a zone. Zone play was likely Burton at the FT line with Gardner down low, either Burton takes it to the hole or dumps it down to Gardner.
It looked like Burton was confused as if St. John's was running a zone or man. He was trying to figure out what to do...Gardner ran to the high post to try to rescue the play (recognizing zone), but it was too late. Derrick had to do something wen to the opposite weak side (smart too many players on the strong side) to get it to Jamil. They double Jamil so he has to kick to the open man...happens to be Derrick who takes the shot.
Not on Buzz. It is the problem of having a freshman playing in a tough situation (Mayo out) and St. John's doing a great job disguising the defense....that's Basketball, we came out on the losing end this time.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2014, 02:01:15 PM
I thought Jamil made the right play considering the defense on him. I just don't understand why it was going there in the first place with 3.5 seconds left, but maybe that's all that was available.
That's the problem.
Derrick dribbled too much to begin with and then passed to Jamil in a bad spot. Now, Jamil could have taken the last shot, but it would have been tough. It sure would help if your starting PG was at least an adequate shooter.
Are we actually going to get another year of the same PG play? It's a long way to Nov 2015...
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
No explanation for that but explain it to me that you have a PG on the floor who has only TWO FGs to his name over the past FOUR GAMES.
Buzz lived and died with him.
And killed a possible victory today as well as possible other games this season.
Derrick should never get major minutes ever again.
But he will, game after game after game. The stubborn loyalty of El Buzzo.
Anyone who thought Jamil was gonna take that shot is still drinking the Kool-Aid. He's got one, maybe 2 more games left, then maybe a career in Europe with some stints in D-League.
Paul Stanley recently said of Ace Frehley that he "threw away his gift." As did Jamil.
Once it was obvious D. Wilson was gonna shoot the game winner I wanted to see if Lavin was already at half-court laughing. No one even thought that shot was ever gonna have a chance at falling.
Quote from: elephantraker on March 08, 2014, 02:02:54 PM
I don't know what Buzz drew up but Deonte looked lost and nobody seemed to want the shot. Derrick took the open one and that's how the season went.
BINGO. Lots of standing around and not a whole lot of movement on that last play for my tastes. No one wanted to step up. If JWill takes that shot, it would be a very difficult shot. I don't mind that he dumped it off considering the time on the clock, what bothered me was the previous 10 seconds where no one was doing much of anything.
Honestly, I thought MU lost in regulation except for a gifting by the Johnnies.
Quote from: WarriorGreg1965 on March 08, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
That's the problem.
Derrick dribbled too much to begin with and then passed to Jamil in a bad spot. Now, Jamil could have taken the last shot, but it would have been tough. It sure would help if your starting PG was at least an adequate shooter.
Agreed
When Burton and Davante went to the exact same spot and Jake was covered in the corner, Derrick did not have any option but more dribbling.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 02:07:54 PM
When Burton and Davante went to the exact same spot and Jake was covered in the corner, Derrick did not have any option but more dribbling.
Could he not attack the rim?
With two offensive players and 4 defenders between him and the rim? would have ended about the same.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 02:03:22 PM
Watching, it was obvious that it was supposed to be a pass in to Gardner on the low block. Burton, jumping the gun by a season, went to the same spot as Davante. Gardner went to the high block. Wilson started a little weave. Jamil got the ball with the 3.5 seconds left on a broken play. Instead of attacking, he once again chose to not lead, dumping the ball off to Derrick. Derrick had no choice but to shoot. Blame on that last sequence falls first to Burton and then to Jamil.
Give me a freaking break...Jamil chose not to "lead?" Derrick dribbled his defender right into Jamil on a basic hand off pass 22' from the basket...Jamil absolutely made the right basketball play instead of trying to "lead" a 22' shot against 2 defenders...did the unselfish and correct thing and passed off to your boy...who wasn't even close to making a wide open 10 footer...
Does Derrick ever get ANY**** blame in your delusional world??
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 02:09:14 PM
Could he not attack the rim?
Not against a zone with 4 players on the same side.
Watch the end of these close games. Everyone knows DW is just going to dribble around and eventually get rid of the ball. So everyone else is on their man tight, and we just dribble and dribble and dribble and dribble. Eventually the clock winds down, and DW goes into desperation mode to get rid of the ball. It never ends up being a crisp solid pass to where someone can make something happen. It's always a desperate handoff with no time on the clock to do anything with it. Ugly.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 08, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
For all you jags that just watch the game to tag on Derrick, Jamil had the ball in his hands and chose to give it up. So suck on that.
Regardless. Buzz called a stupid TO. That play was horse crap AND the fact Derrick took the final shot is icing on the cake.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 08, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
Regardless. Buzz called a stupid TO. That play was horse crap AND the fact Derrick took the final shot is icing on the cake.
If he didn't call a TO you would be bitching about how he didn't call a TO and draw up a play and commenting how you can't take the TO's with you.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 08, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
Regardless. Buzz called a stupid TO. That play was horse crap AND the fact Derrick took the final shot is icing on the cake.
Why not put Dawson in the game at that point?? Anyone doubt if Dawson would have had an 75+% chance at making that easy 10' baseline jumper...even if ice cold from sitting on bench due to his 2 first half turnovers?
Quote from: forgetful on March 08, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
Not against a zone with 4 players on the same side.
Vander would have.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
Give me a freaking break...Jamil chose not to "lead?" Derrick dribbled his defender right into Jamil on a basic hand off pass 22' from the basket...Jamil absolutely made the right basketball play instead of trying to "lead" a 22' shot against 2 defenders...did the unselfish and correct thing and passed off to your boy...who wasn't even close to making a wide open 10 footer...
Does Derrick ever get ANY**** blame in your delusional world??
Of course not. Tower and Buzz are on the same page. Buzz is the man and so is Derrick.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 02:13:50 PM
Why not put Dawson in the game at that point?? Anyone doubt if Dawson would have had an 75+% chance at making that easy 10' baseline jumper...even if ice cold from sitting on bench due to his 2 first half turnovers?
I would be concerned that he wouldn't be able to recognize the D as a zone in that situation and know to dive to the baseline where the defensive opening is.
Due to Senior Day, will Buzz speak with Homer and Mac?
Jamil was doubled teamed. Can't blame him at all for giving up the ball.
No. I would rather have Jamil dribble into the double team and try to force the shot than the choice he made. He is the senior in the last game. Rather than wanting the team on his shoulders, the game in his hands, he passed to Derrick for a shot that he had no choice but to take. That is what all of my criticisms of Jamil this year wrapped into one play.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 02:26:31 PM
No. I would rather have Jamil dribble into the double team and try to force the shot than the choice he made. He is the senior in the last game. Rather than wanting the team on his shoulders, the game in his hands, he passed to Derrick for a shot that he had no choice but to take. That is what all of my criticisms of Jamil this year wrapped into one play.
Certainly can make the argument either way in regards to him placing the onus on himself to get the win or making the proper basketball play and passing to an open teammate.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 02:26:31 PM
No. I would rather have Jamil dribble into the double team and try to force the shot than the choice he made. He is the senior in the last game. Rather than wanting the team on his shoulders, the game in his hands, he passed to Derrick for a shot that he had no choice but to take. That is what all of my criticisms of Jamil this year wrapped into one play.
Despite his decent looking line, I think much more was expected from Jamil.
I, too, expected Jamil to be more of a go-getter and team leader but alas...
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Due to Senior Day, will Buzz speak with Homer and Mac?
Buzz never speaks anyhow, he usually just spreads the bull manure after games like this.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
Give me a freaking break...Jamil chose not to "lead?" Derrick dribbled his defender right into Jamil on a basic hand off pass 22' from the basket...Jamil absolutely made the right basketball play instead of trying to "lead" a 22' shot against 2 defenders...did the unselfish and correct thing and passed off to your boy...who wasn't even close to making a wide open 10 footer...
Agree
Ask yourself this about Jamil's decision; would Lazar, Butler or Crowder have given that ball up to a horrific shooter vs taking it themselves in that situation? Clearly Jamil isn't any of those guys, but that was kind of what he was expected to be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Agree
Becoming a more frequent event for you and me this year. ;D
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 02:58:07 PM
Becoming a more frequent event for you and me this year. ;D
Time for some self reelection?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 08, 2014, 02:28:34 PM
Certainly can make the argument either way in regards to him placing the onus on himself to get the win or making the proper basketball play and passing to an open teammate.
If Jamil kept the ball, tried to shoot over a double team and either missed or was blocked, would anyone seriously question why he didn't pass the ball to Derrick?
Jamil is Jamil. Athough many MU fans hoped he would step into that role this season it's not in his nature to do so. He's an athletically gifted third option who would rather let the game come to him than force it. Can't fault him for being something he's not.
Todd Mayo was either buried on the bench or suffered through mind boggling erratic playing time most of this season when he was the only guy on this team capable of being the guy to put the team on his back.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 08, 2014, 02:57:03 PM
Ask yourself this about Jamil's decision; would Lazar, Butler or Crowder have given that ball up to a horrific shooter vs taking it themselves in that situation? Clearly Jamil isn't any of those guys, but that was kind of what he was expected to be.
Go back and watch the play...you really want Jamil to force that shot?? And no, I'm not sure Lazar or Butler would have taken that crap shot...Jae maybe...Jamil got ball in a terrible position as Derrick brought his defender right into the play...
And yes, as bad of shooter as Derrick is...I still would put Derrick's chances of making a wide open 10' shot better than Jamil shooting an awkward 22'+ shot through 2 defenders..
Jamil shooting while double teamed and Derrick shooting wide open from that spot have the same chance of going in the basket. At least with Jamil shooting you also have a very slim chance of a St. John's brain fart of fouling him.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2014, 03:11:27 PM
Go back and watch the play...you really want Jamil to force that shot?? And no, I'm not sure Lazar or Butler would have taken that crap shot...Jae maybe...Jamil got ball in a terrible position as Derrick brought his defender right into the play...
And yes, as bad of shooter as Derrick is...I still would put Derrick's chances of making a wide open 10' shot better than Jamil shooting an awkward 22'+ shot through 2 defenders..
Todd, Deonte and Davante force a lot of shots and we all commend them for their attacking mentality.
Jamil needed to do the bounce step through of the double team to take an 18 ft jumper. He makes the shot, misses the shot, gets fouled. He abdicated responsibility by making what would be a good play in the middle of the game with no shot clock issues. Passing it to Derrick on the baseline. However, in the context of the play, I want Jamil taking that shot 100 % of the time.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2014, 03:19:22 PM
Jamil needed to do the bounce step through of the double team to take an 18 ft jumper. He makes the shot, misses the shot, gets fouled. He abdicated responsibility by making what would be a good play in the middle of the game with no shot clock issues. Passing it to Derrick on the baseline. However, in the context of the play, I want Jamil taking that shot 100 % of the time.
LOL - Abdicating responsibility?? Something you know a lot about and your continued narrative to never find one thing wrong with D-Will. Wow!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 08, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Due to Senior Day, will Buzz speak with Homer and Mac?
I'm wondering if he was able to talk about the seniors, or did he spend the entire senior day ceremony gushing about his man crush instead?
Buzz explains this last play: http://marquette.scout.com/2/1382155.html
Quote from: PE8983 on March 08, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
Can't blame someone for not being in the right place. This is the same play we run at the end of every game. DW dribbles around until there's 3 seconds left, and then desperately hands off to Mayo 30 feet from the basket to try some miraculous buzzer beater. Switch Mayo for Burton and it's all just the same.
Got that right.