X up by 4. Close to half time.
Do we care?
CU is better to win.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 01, 2014, 04:44:17 PM
X up by 4. Close to half time.
Do we care?
I believe X is still a fringe top 50 team and one the few top 50 teams we have beat. I will be pulling for X.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 01, 2014, 04:44:17 PM
X up by 4. Close to half time.
Do we care?
Well it would be much better for us if CU wins. But we just need to try to win next 3 games.
If Xavier wins, it will greatly reduce our chances of getting in the dance. It will be a signature win in conference, which we have none.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2014, 04:52:03 PM
If Xavier wins, it will greatly reduce our chances of getting in the dance. It will be a signature win in conference, which we have none.
Not sure why it matters, I think X is in regardless
If we take care of business, doesn't matter.
If we need to rely on the BET, it's bad. I want to be on Nova's side of the bracket.
Xavier hot from 3 (6 for 8) and dominate on the boards (20 to 13)
Creighton is "cold" from 3 (5 for 16)
I'm pulling for X!
It would be locks from the BE.
It makes MU's win over X, better.
Justin Martin is having a whale of a game. 17 points, 14 boards so far.
Jalen Reynolds is having a solid game off the bench as well. 4 points, and 8 boards (5 of those offensive)
All else being equal, I'm actually cool with Xavier placing 3rd and pulling St. John's (currently 6th) in the BET. I'd much rather play Providence in the 5 vs. 4 game at the Garden. We are definitely going to need at least one win in the BET
Go X
Quote from: Bleuteaux on March 01, 2014, 05:46:34 PM
All else being equal, I'm actually cool with Xavier placing 3rd and pulling St. John's in the BET. I'd much rather play Providence in the Garden. We are definitely going to need at least one win in the BET
Go X
This...and plus, I really like when Creighton loses.
Quote from: towncryer on March 01, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
This...and plus, I really like when Creighton loses.
...and as soon as I write that, Creighton goes on a 7-0 run and gets it to a 3 point game.
X wins. So much for that impossible schedule to end of the year. 2-1 with another winnable in their gauntlet with another winnable game at SHU coming up. Lock them in.
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.
Creighton has an excellent team this year, and full of good, likable kids. Greg McD is a class act. They don't talk trash, don't showboat to the crowd, etc. and yet this board hates them. I honestly don't get it. For four years in college, I saw Boeheim, Pitino, and a dozen other teams with absolute pricks on up and down the roster coached by raging @$$ holes...yet the hate for Creighton is almost beyond what I saw for those teams.
Who is bashing Creighton? I wished they would have won this game.
Quote from: towncryer on March 01, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
This...and plus, I really like when Creighton loses.
I don't understand delighting in a CU loss. Plus dozens of other posts following the Marquette-CU game on here bashing Creighton, tons of CU hate on Twitter, and the Cracked Sidewalks podcast which was fairly negative towards CU.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:34:38 PM
I don't understand delighting in a CU loss. Plus dozens of other posts following the Marquette-CU game on here bashing Creighton, tons of CU hate on Twitter, and the Cracked Sidewalks podcast which was fairly negative towards CU.
They flop and whine like a bunch of badgers. I understand the negative attitude.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.
Creighton has an excellent team this year, and full of good, likable kids. Greg McD is a class act. They don't talk trash, don't showboat to the crowd, etc. and yet this board hates them. I honestly don't get it. For four years in college, I saw Boeheim, Pitino, and a dozen other teams with absolute pricks on up and down the roster coached by raging @$$ holes...yet the hate for Creighton is almost beyond what I saw for those teams.
? 'hate' is a strong word. In any case, maybe it comes off that way to you, but IMO Creighton is treated like any other school on here. In fact, I would say that this board seems more friendly toward Creighton than anything else.
The truly hated teams are Dayton, Notre Dame, and Madison.
I think anyone rooting for Creighton in this matchup as a Marquette fan is off base. We needed Xavier to win this game. It should solidify them as a top 50 win which they were hanging onto by a thread. This game should sow that up, which helps us.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 01, 2014, 07:46:08 PM
I think anyone rooting for Creighton in this matchup as a Marquette fan is off base. We needed Xavier to win this game. It should solidify them as a top 50 win which they were hanging onto by a thread. This game should sow that up, which helps us.
This.
And Creighton's team is annoying. Bunch of floppers. They remind me of Madison, which is more than enough for me to root against them.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on March 01, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
? 'hate' is a strong word. In any case, maybe it comes off that way to you, but IMO Creighton is treated like any other school on here. In fact, I would say that this board seems more friendly toward Creighton than anything else.
The truly hated teams are Dayton, Notre Dame, and Madison.
Trust me, I'm a MU fan and I hate Notre Dame, Bucky, Louisville, etc. Forgetting my bias, I don't even see how Creighton could be in the same stratosphere of dislikability as those teams. Perhaps I am off base. I hope I am.
I'd love to see MU-CU turn in to a good rivalry, but one built on mutual respect.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 01, 2014, 07:47:11 PM
This.
And Creighton's team is annoying. Bunch of floppers. They remind me of Madison, which is more than enough for me to root against them.
Creighton is the new team on the block and having a bunch of success, which I understand is annoying...but more than that, Creighton looks like a JV squad out there. When they win, opposing fans are shocked because Creighton doesn't have the look of a big-time team, thus, they're chalked up to being "floppers."
RPI wizard has Xavier at 37 after winning this game. Last I checked they were 46-47 range. This result is what's needed for our team's resume. Even if Xavier loses their next two to Seton Hall and Villanova they'll end up approximately 43rd.
This game ensures we have at least two top 50 wins. Hopefully we'll add to it tomorrow.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:34:38 PM
I don't understand delighting in a CU loss. Plus dozens of other posts following the Marquette-CU game on here bashing Creighton, tons of CU hate on Twitter, and the Cracked Sidewalks podcast which was fairly negative towards CU.
On one hand, I want to respond by saying that if there's so much negativity toward CU, there just might be a reason for it. However, I'll just tell you that I currently live in Omaha (born in Lincoln and raised as an MU fan by my alum dad). Dreamed about playing for Marquette from the time I was a little kid until I realized that I sucked when I was 16. I grew up seeing Creighton as the enemy (terrible experience in '88 when I was 5 and my dad took me and my brother to the MU-CU game...CU fans were awful to us before the game and even worse after we lost...saw them when they came back in '96 and we won...even worse treatment from CU fans). Being from Omaha and not growing up an MU fan, I can see why you would be fond of Creighton basketball. But I'm not. At all. :)
X wasn't even among the last 4 in, 1st 4 out anyways.
Its us winning
And providence and St.Johns losing that we need.
Obviousy those go hand in hand for a lot of this.
X winning just makes it harder to get sole possession of 3rd which would look really nice.
Quote from: towncryer on March 01, 2014, 07:54:08 PM
On one hand, I want to respond by saying that if there's so much negativity toward CU, there just might be a reason for it. However, I'll just tell you that I currently live in Omaha (born in Lincoln and raised as an MU fan by my alum dad). Dreamed about playing for Marquette from the time I was a little kid until I realized that I sucked when I was 16. I grew up seeing Creighton as the enemy (terrible experience in '88 when I was 5 and my dad took me and my brother to the MU-CU game...CU fans were awful to us before the game and even worse after we lost...saw them when they came back in '96 and we won...even worse treatment from CU fans). Being from Omaha and not growing up an MU fan, I can see why you would be fond of Creighton basketball. But I'm not. At all. :)
Hey, this isn't summer camp. We don't all have to get along. I think MU-CU will turn in to a great rivalry, and it's a natural fit. I just would prefer it to be a rivalry on the court, because there is no reason CU and MU fans should despise each other. We're more or less the same university 500 miles apart --great education, Jesuit, good tradition, and dealing with its own antichrist state university just an hour down the road.
Sorry that CU fans treated you like $hit--that should never happen and. Most Jays fans are genuinely great...unfortunately it's the 10% of any fan base that ruins it for everyone.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 01, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
X wasn't even among the last 4 in, 1st 4 out anyways.
Its us winning
And providence and St.Johns losing that we need.
Obviousy those go hand in hand for a lot of this.
X winning just makes it harder to get sole possession of 3rd which would look really nice.
I disagree, not because I don't want to finish in 3rd, but because this isn't the same Big East we're accustomed to. A team that finished 9-9 or better in the old 16 team BE would almost always equal a tournament bid and third place would likely be a 3-5 seed. This year I don't think this conference has enough clout where the committee simply has to look at our conference record and where we finished. Our overall body of work is more important this year simply because there are far fewer opportunities to earn signature wins in conference.
Marquette in my mind needs 20 wins and five in the top 50 RPI or 21 wins and four in the top 50 RPI. I think the Villanova game tomorrow is a must win unless St. John's cracks the top 50.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:58:11 PM
Hey, this isn't summer camp. We don't all have to get along. I think MU-CU will turn in to a great rivalry, and it's a natural fit. I just would prefer it to be a rivalry on the court, because there is no reason CU and MU fans should despise each other. We're more or less the same university 500 miles apart --great education, Jesuit, good tradition, and dealing with its own antichrist state university just an hour down the road.
Sorry that CU fans treated you like $hit--that should never happen and. Most Jays fans are genuinely great...unfortunately it's the 10% of any fan base that ruins it for everyone.
Haha...nice. I have to say, though, that as an alum of the University of Nebraska, I resent the antichrist comment :) I'm a strange one, to be sure. I LOVE Nebraska football because I was born and raised here. But I assure you, had Marquette still had a football team when I was born, I'd feel the same way about Nebraska football as I do about Creighton basketball.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 01, 2014, 08:00:48 PM
I disagree, not because I don't want to finish in 3rd, but because this isn't the same Big East we're accustomed to. A team that finished 9-9 or better in the old 16 team BE would almost always equal a tournament bid and third place would likely be a 3-5 seed. This year I don't think this conference has enough clout where the committee simply has to look at our conference record and where we finished. Our overall body of work is more important this year simply because there are far fewer opportunities to earn signature wins in conference.
Marquette in my mind needs 20 wins and five in the top 50 RPI or 21 wins and four in the top 50 RPI. I think the Villanova game tomorrow is a must in unless St. John's cracks the top 50.
I don't really get your disagreement? I was saying that regardless of X we just need wins? That's what you said.
I just stated that X winning makes it harder to get 3rd but we need to win games regardless.
That said....If we were 11-7 in conference and had sole possession of 3rd no chance we get left out.
That would basically mean we Swept gtwon and Prov. Split with SJU and Xavier.
That would be 6-2 vs the fellow bubble teams. Something tells me we win that battle and the overall conference battle.
I hear you Hayward.
For the team's sake I hope you're right. I'm just not sold on winning 3rd place guarantees us an at large in this year's league.
2-1 (loss to Nova) - I think we may need to win the BET
2-1 (beat Nova) - I think we need to reach the BE Championship game
3-0 - We'll need one game in the BET
Again, I hope I'm wrong but something tells me Marquette can't leave it up to the committee.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 01, 2014, 08:10:19 PM
I hear you Hayward.
For the team's sake I hope you're right. I'm just not sold on winning 3rd place guarantees us an at large in this year's league.
2-1 (loss to Nova) - I think we may need to win the BET
2-1 (beat Nova) - I think we need to reach the BE Championship game
3-0 - We'll need one game in the BET
Again, I hope I'm wrong but something tells me Marquette can't leave it up to the committee.
Whether or not you are right, I agree. I'd WAY rather win out and then take one or two games in the BET and not even give the committee the option to leave us out.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 01, 2014, 08:10:19 PM
I hear you Hayward.
For the team's sake I hope you're right. I'm just not sold on winning 3rd place guarantees us an at large in this year's league.
2-1 (loss to Nova) - I think we may need to win the BET
2-1 (beat Nova) - I think we need to reach the BE Championship game
3-0 - We'll need one game in the BET
Again, I hope I'm wrong but something tells me Marquette can't leave it up to the committee.
Forsure we can't leave it up to the committee.
But the BE is a top 4 RPI conference. I'm just saying that if we are owning head to heads and conference records against the other bubble teams it's going to be hard to leave us out at 11-7. I mean I guess maybe they just take 3 teams(X being the 3rd) but no way at 11-7 is SJU, Prov or GTown going before us and I really think 4 teams are going. I mean the SEC is trash. ACC has no depth or good wins. So our resume would stack up alright then take in the 11-7 and I like the chances.
That said. My initial post was in agreement that it doesn't matter what X did vs Creighton. We HAVE to win basketball games regardless. Forsure 3 more wins to even consider getting in.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 01, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
Forsure we can't leave it up to the committee.
But the BE is a top 4 RPI conference. I'm just saying that if we are owning head to heads and conference records against the other bubble teams it's going to be hard to leave us out at 11-7. I mean I guess maybe they just take 3 teams(X being the 3rd) but no way at 11-7 is SJU, Prov or GTown going before us and I really think 4 teams are going. I mean the SEC is trash. ACC has no depth or good wins. So our resume would stack up alright then take in the 11-7 and I like the chances.
That said. My initial post was in agreement that it doesn't matter what X did vs Creighton. We HAVE to win basketball games regardless. Forsure 3 more wins to even consider getting in.
My only objection is to the part of your post I bolded, as in you're scenario of finishing 11-7 (2-1 in the remaining games) I think it's absolutely NECESSARY that our win over Xavier is a top 50 win.
For the record you and I share a lot of agreement on this board and I'm in no way calling out your logic in this thread.
Xavier won and my guess is if we cannot be tied for third at the end of the season we will not get a bid. We are getting so little respect right now that I feel the minimum wins we need to get a bid is 21.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 01, 2014, 08:18:42 PM
My only objection is to the part of your post I bolded, as in you're scenario of finishing 11-7 (2-1 in the remaining games) I think it's absolutely NECESSARY that our win over Xavier is a top 50 win.
For the record you and I share a lot of agreement on this board and I'm in no way calling out your logic in this thread.
O yeah it was necessary. What I meant by the X win not mattering I meant in terms of HURTING us lol. My line of thinking was that we didn't need to root against them because at the end of the day we still need to win games and as you said them winning provides a sure fire top 50 win for us.
So it was a win-win basically. They lose and we have an even better chance of getting 3rd(this is also key because it may avoid playing SJU). or they win and we got our top 50 win locked up.
So yeah, we are definitely in agreement about this game. I just have a little more confidence in the committee letting us in lol.
Quote from: bilsu on March 01, 2014, 08:28:53 PM
Xavier won and my guess is if we cannot be tied for third at the end of the season we will not get a bid. We are getting so little respect right now that I feel the minimum wins we need to get a bid is 21.
This is what is worrying me too. A lot of places are not talking about us. Then you get someone like Lunardi who tweets we are next 4 out...then the next day for his bracketology we are absent ?-(
One thing though, if we finish strong I know it's a stretch but...the committee has been generous to us relative to many "experts" picks in the past AND we are coming off 3 straight sweet 16s 1 of which was as an 11. If we are neck and neck with some team that may end up working??
Quote from: bilsu on March 01, 2014, 08:28:53 PM
Xavier won and my guess is if we cannot be tied for third at the end of the season we will not get a bid. We are getting so little respect right now that I feel the minimum wins we need to get a bid is 21.
Win tomorrow and we will be in most people brackets and be the hot surprise bubble team.
Quote from: forgetful on March 01, 2014, 08:40:04 PM
Win tomorrow and we will be in most people brackets and be the hot surprise bubble team.
Sadly, I don't think we would be in most..at that point.
But we would forsure be close enough that winning 2 of the next 3 would get us in forsure, in my opinion.
I think if we win(please bball gods let this happen) we are 2 or 3rd out on Lunardis bracket.
Quote from: forgetful on March 01, 2014, 08:40:04 PM
Win tomorrow and we will be in most people brackets and be the hot surprise bubble team.
I agree - IF THE SEASON ENDED FOLLOWING SUNDAY'S WIN - but we could just as easily play ourselves off the bubble win a loss to Providence the following game.
There is no margin for error. Oh how important that Butler loss is these days. A win there and 2-1 does get us in.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:51:47 PMWhen they win, opposing fans are shocked because Creighton doesn't have the look of a big-time team, thus, they're chalked up to being "floppers."
Yeah, no.
I know they're good. I've watched them a bunch this year, and they love to flop on any contact. I find that annoying.
Yeah of all the games the butler debacle really hurts the worst.
Sure, that good non conference SDSU win would be great.
But Butler makes no bad losses and an even harder to deny conference record.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on March 01, 2014, 08:00:48 PM
I disagree, not because I don't want to finish in 3rd, but because this isn't the same Big East we're accustomed to. A team that finished 9-9 or better in the old 16 team BE would almost always equal a tournament bid and third place would likely be a 3-5 seed. This year I don't think this conference has enough clout where the committee simply has to look at our conference record and where we finished. Our overall body of work is more important this year simply because there are far fewer opportunities to earn signature wins in conference.
Marquette in my mind needs 20 wins and five in the top 50 RPI or 21 wins and four in the top 50 RPI. I think the Villanova game tomorrow is a must in unless St. John's cracks the top 50.
I've been saying this all along - especially early when people were talking about 6 teams from the conference. Now, we either beat Nova, and then at least split the next two games PLUS win at least two in the BET or we have to win the BET. Those are the only two ways I see in.
Quote from: brandx on March 01, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
I've been saying this all along - especially early when people were talking about 6 teams from the conference. Now, we either beat Nova, and then at least split the next two games PLUS win at least two in the BET or we have to win the BET. Those are the only two ways I see in.
I know A LOT has to happen to even allow us to see whose right or wrong but I'm telling you right now beating Nova and winning 1 more(take your pick Prov or SJU) and then 1 BET game and we are IN. Now, I am not confident enough to say whether or not we are in Dayton on Tuesday/Wednesday but we here our name called.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 01, 2014, 08:49:41 PM
Yeah of all the games the butler debacle really hurts the worst.
Sure, that good non conference SDSU win would be great.
But Butler makes no bad losses and an even harder to deny conference record.
Either OT loss would do. The quality win against Villanova would have been even better than avoiding the bad Butler loss. And sitting at 18-10 (10-5) with an RPI of 57/59 looks remarkably better than 17-11 (9-6) and an RPI of 73.
Quote from: chapman on March 01, 2014, 08:54:48 PM
Either OT loss would do. The quality win against Villanova would have been even better than avoiding the bad Butler loss. And sitting at 18-10 (10-5) with an RPI of 57/59 looks remarkably better than 17-11 (9-6) and an RPI of 73.
True that the Nova one woulda been great but we had a miracle comeback and gift call for that to even happen lol.
Butler was one where we let them bck in the game and went full on bad for 15 minutes.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.
Creighton has an excellent team this year, and full of good, likable kids. Greg McD is a class act. They don't talk trash, don't showboat to the crowd, etc. and yet this board hates them. I honestly don't get it. For four years in college, I saw Boeheim, Pitino, and a dozen other teams with absolute pricks on up and down the roster coached by raging @$$ holes...yet the hate for Creighton is almost beyond what I saw for those teams.
I think it is fantastic that Creighton is doing well in the Big East, we really want to build the rivalries up in this conference. Creighton should take it as a badge of honor that someone is getting worked up over them.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 01, 2014, 08:54:03 PM
I know A LOT has to happen to even allow us to see whose right or wrong but I'm telling you right now beating Nova and winning 1 more(take your pick Prov or SJU) and then 1 BET game and we are IN. Now, I am not confident enough to say whether or not we are in Dayton on Tuesday/Wednesday but we here our name called.
I like it when people give their prediction - guess we'll see who is right.
Quote from: brandx on March 01, 2014, 09:10:20 PM
I like it when people give their prediction - guess we'll see who is right.
yeah in this case hopefully I'm right for our sake lol.
But damn did you guys see the spread for the game? We are basically DOA.
I think Xavier winning helps all of the Big East. Creighton is well respected this year and a road loss to a tough opponent is not a big deal for them. Xavier on the other hand gets a signature win and I think pretty much locks in a spot for the tournament. I would like to see them win their next two as well. That would in effect give us a signature win over them. Now we need to do our share and win the rest of the games we play and get at least two wins in the Big East Tournament. I think at that point we have some a very solid resume .
Mot a fan of creighton either, grant gibbs and some of those guys are easy to root againt. I look for ward to kicking their a$$ in he future. Once their once in a lifetime player leaves. I will root for them OoC tho.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.
Blue Jay fans were okay in Milwaukee. I was, however, very surprised how they sat on their hands in Anaheim when we played San Diego State. No conference love whatsoever. I was cheering for them in the early round games.
Guess they couldn't bother to do the same for us.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU.
Don't post often but this just irked me. Let me say this 'MarquetteBallin".....I grew up in Omaha as well and graduated from Marquette. Family had/currently has season tickets to the Jays, followed them to St. Louis for the Valley tourney and sported a Kyle Korver jersey as a youngster....but since my arrival at MU as a freshman and every year thereafter my allegiance entirely lies with MU. I guess my post is more curious than anything...and my question is WHY are your allegiances still toward CU rather than your Alma Mater?
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.
Creighton has an excellent team this year, and full of good, likable kids. Greg McD is a class act. They don't talk trash, don't showboat to the crowd, etc. and yet this board hates them. I honestly don't get it. For four years in college, I saw Boeheim, Pitino, and a dozen other teams with absolute pricks on up and down the roster coached by raging @$$ holes...yet the hate for Creighton is almost beyond what I saw for those teams.
I think you would have been more satisfied if you went to Creighton. You see most people relate to Marquette because that is where they made many good friends and appreciate what the school did for them. Since you apparently enjoyed growing up in Omaha and never made the emotional transition it appears Marquette was an error for you. That is fine but suggest that you try the Creighton board since you are not a Marquette fan by your own admission. Good luck with your team, I will stay with mine look forward to beating Creighton in the BET.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 01, 2014, 08:37:51 PM
One thing though, if we finish strong I know it's a stretch but...the committee has been generous to us relative to many "experts" picks in the past AND we are coming off 3 straight sweet 16s 1 of which was as an 11. If we are neck and neck with some team that may end up working??
I think that is a stretch. What we did last year or the years prior should have no bearing on selection this year. Kentucky is a prime example. Two years ago national champions. Last year 21 wins, left out of the NCAA tournament despite their history.
nm double post
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on March 02, 2014, 01:18:53 AM
Don't post often but this just irked me. Let me say this 'MarquetteBallin".....I grew up in Omaha as well and graduated from Marquette. Family had/currently has season tickets to the Jays, followed them to St. Louis for the Valley tourney and sported a Kyle Korver jersey as a youngster....but since my arrival at MU as a freshman and every year thereafter my allegiance entirely lies with MU. I guess my post is more curious than anything...and my question is WHY are your allegiances still toward CU rather than your Alma Mater?
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Your undergrad alma mater should come before all other teams. Graduate school alma maters can be secondary allegiances, but if you haven't even attended Creighton in any capacity and still favor them over MU that is really odd
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 01, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.
Creighton has an excellent team this year, and full of good, likable kids. Greg McD is a class act. They don't talk trash, don't showboat to the crowd, etc. and yet this board hates them. I honestly don't get it. For four years in college, I saw Boeheim, Pitino, and a dozen other teams with absolute pricks on up and down the roster coached by raging @$$ holes...yet the hate for Creighton is almost beyond what I saw for those teams.
They flop, which is worse then any of the stuff you mention.
And MCDermott, while extremely talented, is a world class whiner
They are Badger-esque in many ways.
When you grow up a fan of a team/school for your entire life, that doesn't just get abandoned because you choose to go out of state for school. I attended Marquette for many reasons--wanted to expand my horizons by going away for school, MU's academic reputation in my area of interest, scholarship, etc. For any intelligent individual with aspirations beyond just four years, going to a school just because you're a fan of the basketball team is pretty short-sighted. Thus, I didn't go to Creighton and I am glad that I didn't--it just wouldn't have been the right fit for me in terms of the overall college experience. Marquette was and I am grateful.
I had no affiliation with MU before going to school there. But I went to every game as a student, however, and have great memories of MU. Now, I root for Marquette in every game except Creighton. I don't see how that's a problem or how it affects anyone else? You now have a Marquette fan that you didn't have 15 years ago. One that tries to get to a home game or two every year, donates to the school/athletic department, etc. My kids will be Marquette fans. Being a fan of MU and CU, two great institutions and good basketball teams, is not forbidden.
Creighton fans were awful. The ones sitting by the student section would taunt the students by flipping us off and telling us to sit down after McFlopper hit the dagger 3. Mind you these were middle aged people taunting college kids...
I was also born and raised in Omaha, went to every Jays game I could growing up, couldn't see myself ever rooting for anyone as much as Creighton, and yet I currently attend Marquette and I find myself favoring Marquette over Creighton more and more each year I've been here. Granted, my freshman year we had the DJO/Jae team so going from Mo Valley mediocrity (they were an average Valley team for the 3-4 years pre-Doug) to that squad every game was a night and day difference and it was easy to love my school's team when we were that good right as I got here.
It was easier when Creighton had the MVC and we had the BE so rooting allegiances never crossed, but now that the two schools have to battle for wins in conference, are going after the same recruits, etc., I can see where the annoyance of Creighton fans can be a little much. Hell, I'm good friends with countless Creighton fans and I'm freaking annoyed with the entitlement they all feel this year. That being said, most fans are level-headed and realize it'll be a long few years after this month where Greg Mac's job really starts (for the record, I'm not a huge McDermott fan and think MANY of his coaching deficiencies will come to light once this group of seniors graduates).
Didn't mean to ramble, just thought I'd share my Omaha/Marquette side of things. I've become a bigger fan of MU the longer I've been here, and will definitely stay that way as time goes on cause I'm proud to be an undergrad here, but I can also understand those who grew up with the Jays and prefer them to MU. To each their own.
Quote from: esard2011 on March 02, 2014, 12:23:59 PM
Creighton fans were awful. The ones sitting by the student section would taunt the students by flipping us off and telling us to sit down after McFlopper hit the dagger 3. Mind you these were middle aged people taunting college kids...
Won't try and defend that. Don't understand what makes people think they can act like jackasses at road games. As I said, 90% of Creighton fans are great. 10% are idiots.
And I don't think CU has any entitlement issues. We're hoping like hell we just make the S16 this year, knowing full well that losing 90% of our scoring plus one of the top 10 players in Division 1 history is going to make for a massive rebuilding challenge--particularly in a league that is killing it in recruiting. We have no disillusions about any of that. Mac has his work cut out for him.
Creighton plays bitch basketball, does anything else need to be said?
Doug McDermott is a top 10 player in D1 history? That's hilarious.
I can't even put Douggie McFlopper in the top 50 of all time.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 02, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
I think that is a stretch. What we did last year or the years prior should have no bearing on selection this year. Kentucky is a prime example. Two years ago national champions. Last year 21 wins, left out of the NCAA tournament despite their history.
Yeah but they have been generous to us. That's what Im saying. Where most have viewed us, we have been ending up even better recently due to the committee.
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 12:47:42 PM
Creighton plays bitch basketball, does anything else need to be said?
Doug McDermott is a top 10 player in D1 history? That's hilarious.
Let's just end this thread. Doug is a top 10 scorer (didn't mean to say player, excuse me) in D1 history, and his absence is going to be devastating to Creighton next year. That was my point.
My original purpose in responding to this thread was to calm some of this ridiculous, unwarranted hate towards CU, and to do so from someone with perspective on both sides of Marquette/Creighton. I think it can be a fun rivalry, built on mutual respect from two like-minded schools.
But I guess the brand of "bitch basketball" played by Creighton makes that impossible.
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 02, 2014, 12:56:47 PM
Let's just end this thread. Doug is a top 10 scorer (didn't mean to say player, excuse me) in D1 history, and his absence is going to be devastating to Creighton next year. That was my point.
Still wildly incorrect and utterly ridiculous.
I think it's hard for us to understand the perspecitve of the Nebraskans they have a strange connection to their college teams. Not trying to be insulting at all but everybody I know from Nebraska has a feeling of love towards the Huskers and/or Jays in a way that I think is considered weird in most places (particularly those most of us are from). So while I think it's weird Marquetteballin (might want to change your name after you admitted putting MU behind the jays) roots for CU over MU, I think it's just a Nebraskan thing.
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 01:01:14 PM
Still wildly incorrect and utterly ridiculous.
He's going to be one of eight players with 3,000+ points. Did he do it playing against the likes of Duke/Carolina/Kansas etc. on a consistent basis? Obviously not. It's still remarkable. From purely the perspective of a college basketball fan, it's pretty cool that we get to witness it in our lifetime.
After a ridiculously frustrating loss to XU yesterday, Doug signed autographs for Xavier fans for 20 minutes. It's not a superhuman act of grace. But it does take a certain level of maturity and class. He's a great kid putting up historic numbers. Most reasonable people can appreciate it for that if nothing else. Or call him Dougie McBitchFlopper, whatever.
I'm done with this. Beat Nova!
Quote from: MarquetteBallin on March 02, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
He's going to be one of eight players with 3,000+ points. Did he do it playing against the likes of Duke/Carolina/Kansas etc. on a consistent basis? Obviously not. It's still remarkable. From purely the perspective of a college basketball fan, it's pretty cool that we get to witness it in our lifetime.
After a ridiculously frustrating loss to XU yesterday, Doug signed autographs for Xavier fans for 20 minutes. It's not a superhuman act of grace. But it does take a certain level of maturity and class. He's a great kid putting up historic numbers. Most reasonable people can appreciate it for that if nothing else. Or call him Dougie McBitchFlopper, whatever.
I'm done with this. Beat Nova!
Counting stats are hardly remarkable, but I guess if it floats your boat. It's too bad for people that would want to witness it couldn't considering three years were against the dredges on the MVC.
I understand though, you have a special connection with Douggie.
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
Counting stats are hardly remarkable, but I guess if it floats your boat. It's too bad for people that would want to witness it couldn't considering three years were against the dredges on the MVC.
I understand though, you have a special connection with Douggie.
In all fairness do you think Larry Bird was one of the best all time scorers?
Quote from: PunchingPiper on March 02, 2014, 01:35:12 PM
In all fairness do you think Larry Bird was one of the best all time scorers?
No, not top 10. I'd have to make a list to get far enough out for him, but off the top of my head....top 30....maybe top 25...
Quote from: PTM on March 02, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
No, not top 10. I'd have to make a list to get far enough out for him, but off the top of my head....top 30....maybe top 25...
Good then you're being consistent.
Quote from: PunchingPiper on March 02, 2014, 01:41:26 PM
Good then you're being consistent.
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