It's only the second installment of the season so far, but as of yet MU is not listed as BE teams currently on the bubble. If you're familiar with the blog you'll see the conference locks logos posted as well as a small write up of the teams with work to do.
Villanova and Creighton are locks at this point.
Xavier, Georgetown, Providence and St. John's are in the work to do category.
No mention of Marquette.
I certainly think Marquette can control their own destiny with a big stretch run these last 7 games, but I think we're a tad further out (10-15 spots) from making the tournament if the season ended today then some folks around here think.
Obviously wins on Saturday and Wednesday would change the landscape dramatically.
It's done by a guy who doesn't even do bracketology stuff.
Hes a fool. He had Indiana on it earlier this week while no MU or St. Johns. Now we both beat SHU and St. Johns gets on.
Why should Marquette be on that list? As of today we have done nothing to warrant serious consideration.
Quote from: keefe on February 14, 2014, 04:55:28 PM
Why should Marquette be on that list? As of today we have done nothing to warrant serious consideration.
This.
I'm consistently amazed that fans in this forum ignore the fact that Marquette has done nothing of consequence this season.
Quote from: keefe on February 14, 2014, 04:55:28 PM
Why should Marquette be on that list? As of today we have done nothing to warrant serious consideration.
Keefe: You have not been reading the posters here. We are a solidb ubble team (along with about 40-60 others). And if it is heard here, you know it is the Gospel.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 14, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
It's done by a guy who doesn't even do bracketology stuff.
Hes a fool. He had Indiana on it earlier this week while no MU or St. Johns. Now we both beat SHU and St. Johns gets on.
Actually, he's not that far off. CBS Sports has a team vs team comparison tool and when you compare MU to the other current bubble teams (MN, CO, CAL, STANFORD, MZ, SMU, Baylor, etc) MU is not close. It compares RPI and sos. That is currently, if we get a string of wins we can improve.
MU pretty much has to win out the rest of this season including W's over Nova and Creighton.
They favor teams that are on winning streaks going into the Dance.
I agree with most who've posted here in that we're further away from dancing than we'd like to hope.
Are we on the bubble of being a bubble team?
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 14, 2014, 05:23:18 PM
I agree with most who've posted here in that we're further away from dancing than we'd like to hope.
Are we on the bubble of being a bubble team?
pretty realistic outlook
Quote from: willie warrior on February 14, 2014, 05:00:30 PM
Keefe: You have not been reading the posters here. We are a solidb ubble team (along with about 40-60 others). And if it is heard here, you know it is the Gospel.
How are we a bubble team? We need to go 6-1 and win 1 game in New York AND that will not be easy considering we just won back to back games for the first time in 14 games. Also, our best non conference win is GW. Collectively, that's why we do not deserve to be a bubble team.
Of course with all this said, I really, really hope to make the tournament and as a Marquette fan I think they can go on a run. However, ESPN or whoever is not that optimistic.
Our RPI is currently 73, according to his latest report. He's definitely not projecting the rest of the season for every team but rather giving a current snapshot for teams that are in a certain range of the RPI at this point in time. IF we continue to win and our RPI climbs to the low 50's or so with 4 games left, we definitely will be in the discussion. But as of right now I think it's fair not to be mentioned.
You don't remember the "No Bad Losses" crowd from earlier in the season? The same folks that hang their hat on that George Washington is a quality win... at least they stopped saying Southern was a good win...
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 14, 2014, 04:59:43 PM
This.
I'm consistently amazed that fans in this forum ignore the fact that Marquette has done nothing of consequence this season.
We are on the outside looking in. There is still a shot, but there is this to look at on our resume:
0-5 vs top 25
1-3 vs top 25-50
2-1 vs 51-100
RPI of 73.
That should not be the resume of a tournament bound team.
We're fine.
Let's dance.
This is not a tournament team. That was obvious before conference play started.
Also, note that ESPN is in no hurry to grant bids or respect to the Big East. They barely recognize that the conference exits.
Quote from: silverback on February 15, 2014, 03:13:49 AM
Also, note that ESPN is in no hurry to grant bids or respect to the Big East. They barely recognize that the conference exits.
Yeah. I'm more inclined to believe the opinions of the mock committee who had us between 5-12th out than Eamon Brennan. And I like Brennan
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 15, 2014, 07:20:32 AM
Yeah. I'm more inclined to believe the opinions of the mock committee who had us between 5-12th out than Eamon Brennan. And I like Brennan
Butbutbut WE SUCK! There will be no bubble talk!!!
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 15, 2014, 07:20:32 AM
Yeah. I'm more inclined to believe the opinions of the mock committee who had us between 5-12th out than Eamon Brennan. And I like Brennan
Jerry was part of that mock committee, his 4th straight. He doesn't even have us in the "work to do category" yet. Which means we have plenty of work to do.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/bubble-watch
Latest Bracket Matrix http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
Definitely possible, we are supposed to win today per the RPI. Need to pull it off today. Win a few more, then the discussions mean something.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2014, 09:55:39 AM
Definitely possible, we are supposed to win today per the RPI. Need to pull it off today. Win a few more, then the discussions mean something.
You're so confused, Chicos. "We are supposed to win today per the RPI"..... that is complete nonsense. You're making things up that aren't true. You apparently fail to understand what the RPI is and what it isn't.
BTW - if MU wins their next two they are fully in the bubble discussion.
MU right now is a solid NIT team, if and it is a big if MU goes 5-2 finish third in the conference, yes they have a chance. They have to win today, splitting with X is a big deal. St. Johns
will be a big deal as well as Providence and GTown, the Creighton game and Villy, lose to them it will not hurt there chances as much. 11-7, they should be in 3rd.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 14, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
It's done by a guy who doesn't even do bracketology stuff.
Hes a fool. He had Indiana on it earlier this week while no MU or St. Johns. Now we both beat SHU and St. Johns gets on.
Indiana has quality wins. St. John's beat us.
This stuff is fun to talk about but nationally we're not worth talking about if we don't beat X and Creighton. Let's do that and see what the bracketology looks like then.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 15, 2014, 10:01:18 AM
You're so confused, Chicos. "We are supposed to win today per the RPI"..... that is complete nonsense. You're making things up that aren't true. You apparently fail to understand what the RPI is and what it isn't.
BTW - if MU wins their next two they are fully in the bubble discussion.
But wait....according to the loudest on this Board, we are already solidly in the bubble discussion, because somebody posted that Joe Brackets said so. And if it is on this board, it must be so. Getting very confusing. Is MU within the bubble, way outside the bubble, two farts away from the bubble, or just blowin' in the wind? Thanks Bob Dylan, and Peter, Paul and Mary. There must be some Catholic/Biblical connection to MU with that reference. Which means we are in the bubble.
Right now we're out and deservedly so. Who cares if other teams who are also out are ahead or behind us on some outside looking in bubble list? We're a longshot to go the minimum 5-2 that it will take - one game at a time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 15, 2014, 10:01:18 AM
You're so confused, Chicos. "We are supposed to win today per the RPI"..... that is complete nonsense. You're making things up that aren't true. You apparently fail to understand what the RPI is and what it isn't.
BTW - if MU wins their next two they are fully in the bubble discussion.
As I just mentioned in the other thread, I'm going to get Jerry Palm on CS (if I can, I know this time of year is crazy for him) and he will explain it quite nicely to you and everyone else here.
When I say MU is supposed to win per the RPI, I'm using it in the sense of the Sagarin predictor model. So in that sense you are correct, as the RPI isn't a predictive tool.
So to clarify, I'm using the current RPI scores, applying the Sagarin predictor method, in which case it states MU should win this game. Hopefully that appeals to your sensibilities more.
Or, if you wish, we can go to other ratings. KenPom's data predicts we will win today. Sagarin data predicts we will win today. Massey data predicts we will today. RPI data (using Sagarin predictor method), says we win today. So on and so forth.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2014, 10:25:24 AM
As I just mentioned in the other thread, I'm going to get Jerry Palm on CS (if I can, I know this time of year is crazy for him) and he will explain it quite nicely to you and everyone else here.
When I say MU is supposed to win per the RPI, I'm using it in the sense of the Sagarin predictor model. So in that sense you are correct, as the RPI isn't a predictive tool.
So to clarify, I'm using the current RPI scores, applying the Sagarin predictor method, in which case it states MU should win this game. Hopefully that appeals to your sensibilities more.
Or, if you wish, we can go to other ratings. KenPom's data predicts we will win today. Sagarin data predicts we will win today. Massey data predicts we will today. RPI data (using Sagarin predictor method), says we win today. So on and so forth.
You're *ALMOST* understanding my point.
You are NOT using current RPI scores. You were simply using Sagarin, PERIOD. You said "we are supposed to win today per the RPI". That is completely false. The RPI has nothing to do with Sagarin, Kenpom, etc.
Again, my point is that you're not understanding what the RPI is and what it isn't.. and you do not understand the sensitivities. Jerry Palm can't tell me a thing that I don't fully understand.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 14, 2014, 08:08:54 PM
We're fine.
Let's dance.
I'll have what he's having.
(http://meerkatproductsltd.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d4d7c53ef0120a7e82a05970b-400wi)
I do not think we are legit NCAA team this season but plenty of time to get in the mix. Things turn quickly over a long season, especially this time of year.
Quote from: silverback on February 15, 2014, 03:13:49 AM
Also, note that ESPN is in no hurry to grant bids or respect to the Big East. They barely recognize that the conference exits.
That logic makes absolutely no sense. Lunardi is ESPN's resident bracketologist. I think he cares about the accuracy of his projected field.
It also is exactly the same reasoning as those who believe the committee favored Big East teams when they had their ESPN deal. If what you believe is true, then the only reason we made it as an 11 seed was because of ESPN. I fully believe that team deserved to get in that year. If this year's team doesn't get selected they have rightfully earned that as well.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 15, 2014, 11:26:09 AM
I'll have what he's having.
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Who is that guy imbibing? Looks like a young Martin Landau.
It is
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 15, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
That logic makes absolutely no sense. Lunardi is ESPN's resident bracketologist. I think he cares about the accuracy of his projected field.
It also is exactly the same reasoning as those who believe the committee favored Big East teams when they had their ESPN deal. If what you believe is true, then the only reason we made it as an 11 seed was because of ESPN. I fully believe that team deserved to get in that year. If this year's team doesn't get selected they have rightfully earned that as well.
I think that's the point. Lunardi has us as his 9th team out. Which means we are in the discussion whether Brennan thinks so or not
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 14, 2014, 05:23:18 PM
Are we on the bubble of being a bubble team?
Reminds me of a great Churchill quote at the end of the Battle of Britain:
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
One of the most eloquent English speakers ever.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 15, 2014, 12:41:18 PM
I think that's the point. Lunardi has us as his 9th team out. Which means we are in the discussion whether Brennan thinks so or not
Just curious, are u saying that because he listed 39 teams (including MU) for 30 at large spots on Twitter when discussing the mock committee, or did he say that elsewhere?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2014, 12:46:47 PM
Just curious, are u saying that because he listed 39 teams (including MU) for 30 at large spots on Twitter when discussing the mock committee, or did he say that elsewhere?
In his last bracket math on Tuesday he had Marquette as 10th out directly behind Indiana. Indiana then lost to Penn State. So I am making an assumption that we would have passed them. We may have been jumped by others behind us but I think 9th-10th out is a safe assumption
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 15, 2014, 12:49:54 PM
In his last bracket math on Tuesday he had Marquette as 10th out directly behind Indiana. Indiana then lost to Penn State. So I am making an assumption that we would have passed them. We may have been jumped by others behind us but I think 9th-10th out is a safe assumption
Ahh. Yeah I knew that, I guess I wasn't sure if the "others considered" were ordered. Would make sense if they were though.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 15, 2014, 12:48:38 PM
Ah yes--and Barbara Bain was hot in her day.
Were you a fan of their Star Trek knockoff series? It was named Space 1999 or something similar.
Quote from: Goose on February 15, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
Things turn quickly over a long season, especially this time of year.
This game today could not be a better example of it. Win, and all of the sudden things are starting to come together. Lose, and that just about does it.
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 15, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
Were you a fan of their Star Trek knockoff series? It was named Space 1999 or something similar.
No--loved the original Star Trek, though.
beat creighton and we are on the bubble watch
Latest up date per twitter MU is now in the 2nd four out.