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Title: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: NoCheese on January 05, 2014, 08:09:50 AM
Former Indiana big man Luke Fischer. @Bigfishy44: I am excited to say I will be transferring to Marquette University.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: WarriorFan on January 05, 2014, 08:12:03 AM
I guess Tommie predicted there would be big sh1t if he blocked this one.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: nyg on January 05, 2014, 08:15:05 AM
Congrats to the team.  When can he start play, next January or does he have to sit whole year?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2014, 08:15:27 AM
Welcome to Marquette Luke!

Your table is set and ready for next January.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: 🏀 on January 05, 2014, 08:22:30 AM
Really good news.

Will help big time next conference season.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 08:26:33 AM
The gaping hole at the 5 position doesn't look so bad now.  Fischer and Pierce will have 2.5 years together.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 08:29:20 AM
BTW, it could be argued that Bo's pigheadedness with Uthoff is the reason Fischer is coming here and not to UW.

Thanks Bo!!!!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: hairy worthen on January 05, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 05, 2014, 08:26:33 AM
The gaping hole at the 5 position doesn't look so bad now.  Fischer and Pierce will have 2.5 years together.
3.5?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 05, 2014, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 05, 2014, 08:26:33 AM
The gaping hole at the 5 position doesn't look so bad now.  Fischer and Pierce will have 2.5 years together.

If you add in Stone or Ellenson we'll have a better frontline then than we do now.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Jay Bee on January 05, 2014, 08:31:40 AM
Doesn't matter - it's a guards game.

Enjoyed his tweets; great opportunity for him in Brew Town.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
Quote from: hairyworthen on January 05, 2014, 08:30:01 AM
3.5?

Yep.  3.5.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: tower912 on January 05, 2014, 08:34:21 AM
Pleasantly surprised.   Welcome to the Marquette family, Luke. 
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 05, 2014, 08:36:22 AM
Add Stone to the mix and that's a championship level team full of Wisconsin studs. Exciting!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on January 05, 2014, 08:37:20 AM
Luke will have 2.5 years of playing,unless he decides to sit all of next year.He will have 3 years then.The first semester playing at IU counts as a full year.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on January 05, 2014, 08:37:20 AM
Luke will have 2.5 years of playing,unless he decides to sit all of next year.He will have 3 years then.The first semester playing at IU counts as a full year.


Correct.  This is the problem with mid year transfers.  They lose a year of eligibility.  You cannot spread your redshirt over two seasons.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2014, 08:44:16 AM
I stand corrected.  Still 2.5 years better than expected.  So much for that gaping hole in the middle next season.

Can Luke practice with the team right away?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2014, 08:44:16 AM
Still 2.5 years better than expected.  So much for that gaping hole in the middle next season.

Can Luke practice with the team right away?


Yep.  I think he can even travel with the team.

Think about this line up in a couple of years...

Duane / Nick
Hill
JJJ / Cohen
Burton / Shayok
Fischer / Pierce

Of course it never quite pans out this way but still...

I guess the next question is, is Malek Harris still in the picture?  (We are one over for next year if Harris signs in the spring.)
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: nyg on January 05, 2014, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 05, 2014, 08:44:52 AM

Yep.  I think he can even travel with the team.

Think about this line up in a couple of years...

Duane / Nick
Hill
JJJ / Cohen
Burton / Shayok
Fischer / Pierce

Of course it never quite pans out this way but still...

I guess the next question is, is Malek Harris still in the picture?  (We are one over for next year if Harris signs in the spring.)

I hope he is still in the picture.  He is a Top 75 recruit at 6ft 7 and 215.  Someone always leaves MU, so we'll see. 
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 05, 2014, 08:29:20 AM
BTW, it could be argued that Bo's pigheadedness with Uthoff is the reason Fischer is coming here and not to UW.

Thanks Bo!!!!
Doubt if the Uthoff thing was the reason--more likely losing a year of eligibility.

At any rate, if this is true, then I can begin to lift the Buzz is unable to recruit quality bigs mantra for a bit. However, we must still get Stone--then we are on the way.

Congratulations to Buzz and MU. Never seen the guy play. Anybody know his style and pros/cons?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 09:34:27 AM
4/5.  He can hit the mid range jumper.  Runs the floor well.  Not a traditional back to the basket 5.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 05, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
Doubt if the Uthoff thing was the reason--more likely losing a year of eligibility.

At any rate, if this is true, then I can begin to lift the Buzz is unable to recruit quality bigs mantra for a bit. However, we must still get Stone--then we are on the way.

Congratulations to Buzz and MU. Never seen the guy play. Anybody know his style and pros/cons?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!   :D  How will we recognize you!?!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: NYeagle on January 05, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
From nbc sports:

Fischer won't be eligible until the second semester of the 2014-2015 season.


Fischer will have 3.5 years of eligibility remaining beginning with the second semester of the 2014-2015 season.

Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: beer baby on January 05, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
From nbc sports:

Fischer won't be eligible until the second semester of the 2014-2015 season.


Fischer will have 3.5 years of eligibility remaining beginning with the second semester of the 2014-2015 season.


They are wrong.  Unless he receives some sort of waiver, he only has 2.5 years.

And they are also wrong that he gains eligibility at the beginning of the second semester.  He gains eligibility when his first semester grades are posted.

Jeronne Maymon and Reggie Smith both started playing mid December.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 05, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!   :D  How will we recognize you!?!
Easy--one of the few calling them as I see them, without the blue/gold shades on, although there is nothing wrong with wearing those shades once in a while--just do not get blinded.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Goose on January 05, 2014, 09:50:23 AM
Great news. Add Stone and we have something to talk about.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Jaysfan on January 05, 2014, 09:58:26 AM
We had Echenique for 2.5 years, after he played 1.5 for Rutgers.

So I'm not sure what the rule is but he played 4 full seasons with a mid-season transfer in between.



Also, looks like Creighton was one of the last 3 on his list of choices.  Shoot
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: chapman on January 05, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
Says on his Twitter it was between MU, Creighton, and UWM.  Let's get him going - great potential, but like 98% of bigs he does need to be developed.  He and the staff have 11.5 months before the first progress check.


As far as Uthoff, none of the noise that came of it if only the intraconference transfer was blocked from the beginning - he would have gone elsewhere like every other transfer.  It was the list of other schools Bo had added for no reason that caused the outrage and the PR fix of letting him go anywhere.  

Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: WarriorDoc on January 05, 2014, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: Jaysfan on January 05, 2014, 09:58:26 AM
We had Echenique for 2.5 years, after he played 1.5 for Rutgers.

So I'm not sure what the rule is but he played 4 full seasons with a mid-season transfer in between.



Also, looks like Creighton was one of the last 3 on his list of choices.  Shoot

Interesting that Creighton made the list considering it's a longer trip from Germantown, WI than Bloomington is.

Not sure that Omaha qualifies as "closer to home".
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: wadesworld on January 05, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: xghostsniperx on January 05, 2014, 10:04:05 AM
Interesting that Creighton made the list considering it's a longer trip from Germantown, WI than Bloomington is.

Not sure that Omaha qualifies as "closer to home".

Been discussed many times.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: Jaysfan on January 05, 2014, 09:58:26 AM
We had Echenique for 2.5 years, after he played 1.5 for Rutgers.

So I'm not sure what the rule is but he played 4 full seasons with a mid-season transfer in between.


He had a medical hardship waiver.

http://www.gocreighton.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1000&ATCLID=204941237
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Jaysfan on January 05, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
Ah, from the detatched retina.  I didn't realize he got a waiver for it to get the extra year, I just figured since he had played 1.5 he got 2.5 after the transfer. 
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: chapman on January 05, 2014, 10:13:11 AM
Georgetown somehow also got a waiver to pretend Josh Smith didn't play six games for UCLA last year - got to play immediately this year and have an extra year of eligibility.  I'd imagine 13 games and playing until Dec. 22 is too much to appeal to the NCAA to use some of its nonsensical inconsistency and give Luke some freebies.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: thehammock on January 05, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
Thought I read Fisher missed enough games with the shoulder injury to qualify for a medical redshirt for this season.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: GGGG on January 05, 2014, 10:18:40 AM
Quote from: thehammock on January 05, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
Thought I read Fisher missed enough games with the shoulder injury to qualify for a medical redshirt for this season.


He didn't miss any games...just a few weeks of practice.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: thehammock on January 05, 2014, 10:24:52 AM
Yep...thanks for the correction Sultan.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 10:34:02 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 05, 2014, 10:09:52 AM

He had a medical hardship waiver.

http://www.gocreighton.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1000&ATCLID=204941237
Then Fischer deserves a "Crean Hardship Waiver" to be consistent with past precedent.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 05, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
Luke Fischer picks Marquette
Jeff Goodman [ARCHIVE]

ESPN.com | January 5, 2014
Luke Fischer will transfer to Marquette after deciding last week to leave Indiana.

The 6-foot-11, 230-pound Germantown, Wis., product tweeted on Sunday morning that he has chosen to continue his college career for Buzz Williams and the Golden Eagles. He won't be eligible until the middle of the 2014-15 season.

"I am excited to say I will be transferring to Marquette University to play for Coach Williams and the Golden Eagles," Fischer tweeted. "Marquette allows me to be closer to home while playing at the highest level for a great academic institution."

Fischer was Mr. Basketball in the state and a top-100 recruit for Tom Crean and the Hoosiers but missed much of the preseason with a shoulder injury and played sparingly this season.

Fischer averaged 2.8 points and 2.1 rebounds in 13 games. Crean opted to use fellow freshman Noah Vonleh in the middle, which resulted in limited minutes for Fischer and sophomore Hanner Mosquera-Perea.

Fischer should have an opportunity to play a significant role at Marquette, which will lose its top two big men -- Davante Gardner and Chris Otule -- after the season.

Fischer, who scored 10 points and blocked three shots in his final game against Kennesaw State last week, was a part of a highly touted Indiana recruiting class that also included Vonleh, Troy Williams, Stanford Robinson and Devin Davis.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 05, 2014, 10:55:37 AM
Welcome Luke.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Nukem2 on January 05, 2014, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 05, 2014, 08:44:52 AM

Yep.  I think he can even travel with the team.

Think about this line up in a couple of years...

Duane / Nick
Hill
JJJ / Cohen
Burton / Shayok
Fischer / Pierce

Of course it never quite pans out this way but still...

I guess the next question is, is Malek Harris still in the picture?  (We are one over for next year if Harris signs in the spring.)
He is a transfer, so he cannot travel with the team until he is eligible to play next December.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 05, 2014, 11:03:26 AM
Very excited about the news. I was a bit worried about next year up front. Luke will be a great addition for conference season to get minutes at the 5. Welcome to MU!!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: xghostsniperx on January 05, 2014, 10:04:05 AM
Interesting that Creighton made the list considering it's a longer trip from Germantown, WI than Bloomington is.

Not sure that Omaha qualifies as "closer to home".

Omaha is a lot closer to home if you are from the middle of nowhere
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: keefe on January 05, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
Omaha is a lot closer to home if you are from the middle of nowhere
Especially for you Keefe. It likely holds a special spot for you, being the home of SAC. Nothing wrong with Omaha, lived there 7 years. Of course, after Husker football they do not root for much else--except Tom Osborne and Bob Devaney statues. But they did give us Kerry Trotter--and who can ever forget Vic Lazaretti.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Goose on January 05, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Willie

Enough issues this year without bringing up Vic. Trotter is better memory.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on January 05, 2014, 11:51:15 AM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!  :o
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2014, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 11:35:47 AM
Especially for you Keefe. It likely holds a special spot for you, being the home of SAC. Nothing wrong with Omaha, lived there 7 years. Of course, after Husker football they do not root for much else--except Tom Osborne and Bob Devaney statues. But they did give us Kerry Trotter--and who can ever forget Vic Lazaretti.

Spent half a year in Omaha when my F4 driver father got some SAC stink on him. Went to St Pius X school. Nothing but great memories.

SAC is now STRATCOM which is a Joint COCOM.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2014, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Goose on January 05, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Willie

Enough issues this year without bringing up Vic. Trotter is better memory.

I think Lazaretti ended up going to Harvard Law after losing his Chuck Taylors
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: wadesworld on January 05, 2014, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 10:34:02 AM
Then Fischer deserves a "Crean Hardship Waiver" to be consistent with past precedent.

If this is the willie we get when we have 4 and 5 star rated big men (regardless of whether or not they produce, it's all about the height and the stars), then let's get some more top rated tall dudes!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Goose on January 05, 2014, 12:09:21 PM
I believe Vic had more success off the hardwood than on it.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Sultan, can you explain the eligibility? Says he's a freshman online, so why wouldn't he have 3.5 years?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 05, 2014, 12:19:45 PM
So will he be here next semester then?  Because this extra time would be huge for him to go against gardner and otule in practice. 
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 12:21:22 PM
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 05, 2014, 08:30:11 AM
If you add in Stone or Ellenson we'll have a better frontline then than we do now.

Yes, and Jujuan-Duane-Dawson were going to give us a better backcourt than we had last season.

I guess we never learn when projecting the futures of high school kids.

I'm happy Luke is joining the Warrior family, but as always, I employ two words in these situations:

WE'LL SEE!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: 1990Warrior on January 05, 2014, 12:31:04 PM
Do we have enough scholarships for next year to fit him?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2014, 12:42:28 PM
Quote from: 1990Warrior on January 05, 2014, 12:31:04 PM
Do we have enough scholarships for next year to fit him?

Not at the moment, unless Malek Harris doesn't sign(he's the only one who hasn't). But let's be honest, one will open up.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: chapman on January 05, 2014, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Sultan, can you explain the eligibility? Says he's a freshman online, so why wouldn't he have 3.5 years?

He's a freshman this year and has already played, thereby using this year of eligibility.  He needs to sit out one year as a transfer (spring and fall semester), so he won't continue his freshman season, but will instead begin his sophomore season next December (and have full junior and senior seasons).  The year of sitting out doesn't count as a redshirt year because a redshirt cannot apply to parts of two seasons.  The bad thing about mid-year transfers, they get two half seasons and two full seasons.

Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2014, 01:07:20 PM
My remaining question is can he get McKay's scholarship for the second semester this year?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 05, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: chapman on January 05, 2014, 12:44:02 PM
He's a freshman this year and has already played, thereby using this year of eligibility.  He needs to sit out one year as a transfer (spring and fall semester), so he won't continue his freshman season, but will instead begin his sophomore season next December (and have full junior and senior seasons).  The year of sitting out doesn't count as a redshirt year because a redshirt cannot apply to parts of two seasons.  The bad thing about mid-year transfers, they get two half seasons and two full seasons.



I understand this, but its frustrating. Just seems like a player shouldn't be punished for wanting to pursue a better opportunity.

Could we get a waiver for Luke to play immediately ala Josh Smith to Georgetown?
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 05, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
You know i wonder if Malek gets offered a preffered walk on status or something where Buzz says if you bust your butt and stay out of trouble you'll get your scholarship for your sophomore year. 
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2014, 01:47:42 PM
Scholarship Table updated

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8

a few notes....
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 05, 2014, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2014, 01:07:20 PM
My remaining question is can he get McKay's scholarship for the second semester this year?

I don't think so. It was discussed previously that once it was given to Jameel and the practices officially started after he reported to MU, up it was considered "used".
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 05, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
I understand this, but its frustrating. Just seems like a player shouldn't be punished for wanting to pursue a better opportunity.

Of course, you are right. There is absolutely no reason a guy like Fischer shouldn't be able to have 3.5 years of eligibility left other than the NCAA saying, "Because we said so, that's why!"

But -- and us Scoopers have enjoyed this debate in other threads, too -- the student/athlete is at the very bottom of the food chain in the NCAA's mind. Presidents, ADs and coaches can do whatever they want whenever they want. The kids -- the ones who actually put on the gear and compete like warriors -- almost always get the short end.

On the rare occasion that a student actually gets an advantage -- as with the rule that let Lockett play for MU and Russell Wilson play football for Wisconsin -- there is talk of closing the loophole.

Absolutely. Mustn't let even the high-achieving student have anything!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on January 05, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
Looking at the scholarship table and comparing what the 2013 and 2014 classes look like compared to the 2011 and 2012 classes. Wow.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Archies Bat on January 05, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 05, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
Looking at the scholarship table and comparing what the 2013 and 2014 classes look like compared to the 2011 and 2012 classes. Wow.

It's a big part of this year's problems.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 05, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
We should schedule the Wisconsin and Ohio Sate games for January next season.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2014, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: Goose on January 05, 2014, 12:09:21 PM
I believe Vic had more success off the hardwood than on it.

It is generally easier to have success with hardwood than without it, Goose!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 05, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 12:21:22 PM
Yes, and Jujuan-Duane-Dawson were going to give us a better backcourt than we had last season.

I guess we never learn when projecting the futures of high school kids.

I'm happy Luke is joining the Warrior family, but as always, I employ two words in these situations:

WE'LL SEE!

Thanks for monitoring internet message boards for the presence of predictions that are not fully substantiated.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: willie warrior on January 05, 2014, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: 1990Warrior on January 05, 2014, 12:31:04 PM
Do we have enough scholarships for next year to fit him?
Don't worry--room will be made.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: OhioGoldenEagle on January 05, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
Of course, you are right. There is absolutely no reason a guy like Fischer shouldn't be able to have 3.5 years of eligibility left other than the NCAA saying, "Because we said so, that's why!"

But -- and us Scoopers have enjoyed this debate in other threads, too -- the student/athlete is at the very bottom of the food chain in the NCAA's mind. Presidents, ADs and coaches can do whatever they want whenever they want. The kids -- the ones who actually put on the gear and compete like warriors -- almost always get the short end.

On the rare occasion that a student actually gets an advantage -- as with the rule that let Lockett play for MU and Russell Wilson play football for Wisconsin -- there is talk of closing the loophole.

Absolutely. Mustn't let even the high-achieving student have anything!
I would also add this side of the equation:  The student-athlete should have some sort of "stock" in their initial "commitment"......meaning they should have some sort of punishment if they decide to transfer to another school.  After all, said school typically isn't prepared when these guys decide to bail so the idea that the player loses a year may carry some weight in their decisions.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: brandx on January 05, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on January 05, 2014, 03:05:39 PM
I would also add this side of the equation:  The student-athlete should have some sort of "stock" in their initial "commitment"......meaning they should have some sort of punishment if they decide to transfer to another school.  After all, said school typically isn't prepared when these guys decide to bail so the idea that the player loses a year may carry some weight in their decisions.

But only the kid should be "punished"? Not the coach, not the AD, not the school, let's just punish those that are making money for the school.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 03:33:24 PM
Quote from: brandx on January 05, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
But only the kid should be "punished"? Not the coach, not the AD, not the school, let's just punish those that are making money for the school.

Oh, stop it, brand. You and your logic and your facts and your disdain for hypocrisy!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 05, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
Thanks for monitoring internet message boards for the presence of predictions that are not fully substantiated.

I wasn't "monitoring" anything. I was just using my memory of those predictions. I wasn't ripping anybody. I was just offering a little cautionary tale and a "We'll see." Jeesh.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: keefe on January 05, 2014, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 05, 2014, 01:49:12 PM
it was considered "used".

Just like when you drive a new car off the lot or the Prom Queen on Sunday morning
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: River rat on January 05, 2014, 04:35:51 PM
Thank you for being so giving, Mr. Dawson
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: wadesworld on January 05, 2014, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 05, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
We should schedule the Wisconsin and Ohio Sate games for January next season.

No, we're not going to the B1G.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Dawson Rental on January 05, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on January 05, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
You know i wonder if Malek gets offered a preffered walk on status or something where Buzz says if you bust your butt and stay out of trouble you'll get your scholarship for your sophomore year. 

I can't see that working, unless Harris' stock plummets. 
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Markusquette on January 05, 2014, 07:52:29 PM
Wow, a legit big man with true inside game and intangibles.  Very well could be Buzz's best big man get so far!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: wadesworld on January 05, 2014, 08:09:29 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 05, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
I can't see that working, unless Harris' stock plummets. 

Haha yeah. Good luck asking anybody, let alone a 17 year old from Chicago, to pay $30,000 to try out for the right to play 3 more years of basketball for free at Marquette when he could go many other places for free.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: raul on January 05, 2014, 11:27:08 PM
If there is only one scholly left then I'm glad it went to Luke instead of Malek. I would not be surprised if someone transferred out, like say for instance Mayo or Dawson which in turn opens up another scholly for Malek.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: forgetful on January 05, 2014, 11:34:12 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2014, 08:09:29 PM
Haha yeah. Good luck asking anybody, let alone a 17 year old from Chicago, to pay $30,000 to try out for the right to play 3 more years of basketball for free at Marquette when he could go many other places for free.

I don't know his background, but he would likely qualify for grants and aid that would cover most of his tuition.

Now that being said, I believe there is 0% chance a player like him would go to a University for the "chance" to get a scholarship after a year.

We'd have a better chance of getting OJ to pay for a year of his brothers schooling.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Texas Western on January 05, 2014, 11:49:20 PM
I think Luke Fischer made a fundamental mistake by trying to come back this year from a torn labrum without having surgery. The rate of recurrence of this injury without surgery is approximately 90 percent. With surgery the complete recovery rate is 90 percent. I hope he has the surgery soon properly rehabs and comes back healthy. If he does this is a very good pickup for Marquette. If he doesn't I think we will have a kid with chronic shoulder problems who will never realize his potential.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2014, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: raul on January 05, 2014, 11:27:08 PM
If there is only one scholly left then I'm glad it went to Luke instead of Malek. I would not be surprised if someone transferred out, like say for instance Mayo or Dawson which in turn opens up another scholly for Malek.

Scholarships do tend to open up, not only in our program but in many top programs.

Stuff happens. There's a long time between now and the next signing day.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: jsglow on January 06, 2014, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2014, 01:47:42 PM
Scholarship Table updated

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8

a few notes....

  • I don't have a format to say Luke will still be sitting out the first semester next year, so he's just listed as a redshirt this year
  • I set the number of scholarships available to -1 for next year until we know what's happening.
  • I changed the number of scholarships available to 1 for 2015-2016, because theoretically, if one of next years seniors leave then 15-16 can stay as is, plus 1.  Will modify accordingly when we know

Not to nitpick Rocky but I think I might put Duane in blue given the public red shirt announcement. That'll properly put him in next year's class. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 06, 2014, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 05, 2014, 11:49:20 PM
I think Luke Fischer made a fundamental mistake by trying to come back this year from a torn labrum without having surgery. The rate of recurrence of this injury without surgery is approximately 90 percent. With surgery the complete recovery rate is 90 percent. I hope he has the surgery soon properly rehabs and comes back healthy. If he does this is a very good pickup for Marquette. If he doesn't I think we will have a kid with chronic shoulder problems who will never realize his potential.

+1. Was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: cschor on January 06, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Mr. Fisher made a great choice with Marquette. Buzz is one of the very best with JUCO transfers. Welcome aboard Luke, get healthy and be a warrior.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: mu03eng on January 06, 2014, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: Chris Columbo on January 05, 2014, 11:49:20 PM
I think Luke Fischer made a fundamental mistake by trying to come back this year from a torn labrum without having surgery. The rate of recurrence of this injury without surgery is approximately 90 percent. With surgery the complete recovery rate is 90 percent. I hope he has the surgery soon properly rehabs and comes back healthy. If he does this is a very good pickup for Marquette. If he doesn't I think we will have a kid with chronic shoulder problems who will never realize his potential.

Labrum surgery is one of the most over-rated surgeries.  Most times with that surgery there are residual affects and lingering issues plus there is no certainty of resolution of the issue.  I agree he came back too early but he should have rehabbed for 2 months first, not surgery.  Timing actually works out here, he can try rehab for 2 months, if not totally resolved then surgery.  He's not wasting time because the shoulder will be in a better condition prior to surgery, then its 3 months to rehab from surgery.  He could be ready to go easily by Pro-Am.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Wade for President on January 06, 2014, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: cschor on January 06, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Mr. Fisher made a great choice with Marquette. Buzz is one of the very best with JUCO transfers.

I see what you did there.  ;)
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Badgerhater on January 06, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
Quote from: cschor on January 06, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
Mr. Fisher made a great choice with Marquette. Buzz is one of the very best with JUCO transfers. Welcome aboard Luke, get healthy and be a warrior.

I see what you did there.   Funny!
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: Texas Western on January 06, 2014, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on January 06, 2014, 01:21:04 PM
Labrum surgery is one of the most over-rated surgeries.  Most times with that surgery there are residual affects and lingering issues plus there is no certainty of resolution of the issue.  I agree he came back too early but he should have rehabbed for 2 months first, not surgery.  Timing actually works out here, he can try rehab for 2 months, if not totally resolved then surgery.  He's not wasting time because the shoulder will be in a better condition prior to surgery, then its 3 months to rehab from surgery.  He could be ready to go easily by Pro-Am.

If he gets the surgery done by a doc who has done thousands of them and properly rehabs the shoulder will be as good as new. Your right though, if he didnt do surgery I think it is a minimum of two months of rehab.
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 06, 2014, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: jsglow on January 06, 2014, 11:59:54 AM
Not to nitpick Rocky but I think I might put Duane in blue given the public red shirt announcement. That'll properly put him in next year's class. Just a suggestion.

Right, I guess I'm just optimistic that he decides he's well enough this year to play, and Buzz thinks he's better than the other options.  Nothing technically keeping him from tearing off that redshirt before the end of the season :)
Title: Re: Luke Fischer is Coming
Post by: MUDPT on January 06, 2014, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: mu03eng on January 06, 2014, 01:21:04 PM
Labrum surgery is one of the most over-rated surgeries.  Most times with that surgery there are residual affects and lingering issues plus there is no certainty of resolution of the issue.  I agree he came back too early but he should have rehabbed for 2 months first, not surgery.  Timing actually works out here, he can try rehab for 2 months, if not totally resolved then surgery.  He's not wasting time because the shoulder will be in a better condition prior to surgery, then its 3 months to rehab from surgery.  He could be ready to go easily by Pro-Am.

+1000. Labrum tissue quality is crap, leading to poor outcomes.   Also, the labrum has no neural innervation, making the biceps tendon the likely culprit.  Is that solved with the labrum fixed? Who knows.  Also which shoulder is it?  It might effect his shooting arm, but most basketball moves stay out of external rotation/ horizontal abduction, the motion that usually stresses the laburm the most.  Usually, because we have no idea what kind of tear it is.
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