Let's kick some Blue Demon a$$.
Nothing like a 20 point blow out to warm things up.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
Don't get cbs sports. I will be switching between this thread and the gamecast
Morehouse & Tuskegee to lead us into our game.. Chicos must be beside himself.
I'm suffering through the flu. Hope an MU win brings me some relief.
Duane is suited up....?
Gardner starting over DWilson
Yea, gamecast ..I see Ox, CO, Jamil, Juan, and Jake. True?
Would you look at this!!!!! Letssssss goooo
Wow. No DWil.
Quote from: john31 on January 04, 2014, 01:07:29 PM
Yea, gamecast ..I see Ox, CO, Jamil, Juan, and Jake. True?
Jamil jake Juan ox otule starting
No Derrick to start. Twin towers are starting. Lets see how this goes
Still can't score
DePaul in Foul Trouble yet MU can't capitalize: 2 TOs.
5 fouls on depaul already
6 in 5 min.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
5 fouls on depaul already
We aren't making any shots but that's OK. At this rate DePaul will run out of players.
Chris really hurting the team now.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on January 04, 2014, 01:16:31 PM
Chris really hurting the team now.
Well they have gone inside almost everytime, but Chris has an airball from one foot and three TOs. Brutal.
Chris with an off the ball foul. He has been a liablity this game
EDIT: 14-3 DePaul
Fans still standing.
HORRIBLE
What. The. unnatural carnal knowledge
Buzz, please install an offense
Buzz, your team...woof. This is DePaul for christsakes.
This is embarrassing.
DePaul 16, Gardner 5.
Looks like Buzz used the break to turn them into a highly tuned team.
Quote from: mugrack on January 04, 2014, 01:22:54 PM
Buzz, please install an offense
Keep shooting Warriors! Something is bound to go in
Listening on the radio, does it look as bad as it sounds?
Worse, not sure how a team can regress worse each game, game after game.
Quote from: john31 on January 04, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
Listening on the radio, does it look as bad as it sounds?
Quote from: john31 on January 04, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
Listening on the radio, does it look as bad as it sounds?
Yes. It's ugly.
Quote from: john31 on January 04, 2014, 01:25:55 PM
Listening on the radio, does it look as bad as it sounds?
It's worse in person. Officiating is brutal and we have no offensive identity whatsoever. Just so not used to seeing this. It's like the MU team post Wade after Diener got hurt and Todd Townshend was our leader.
Just one of those years I think. We've been spoiled though.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 04, 2014, 01:27:47 PM
Worse, not sure how a team can regress worse each game, game after game.
I don't know if they are a team!
didn't think it could get much worse after Creighton. It certainly has. Legitimate question: do we win a conference game this year?
Chris probably had the worst five minutes of basketball to start a game. Obvious Buzz told them to get ball inside and backfired with his two airballs and three to's. This start not on Buzz, the players.
Jake ugh......
Burton came in for one minute. Had a foul and gave up a three on defense, and of course pulled.
Quote from: MUeng on January 04, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
didn't think it could get much worse after Creighton. It certainly has. Legitimate question: do we win a conference game this year?
We will. The question is when.
The horrible thing about this game if we never recover is that makes back-to-back home losses at the Bradley.
When did that last happen?
1 on 3...Mayo is the 1...Mayo wins :D
What ticks me off is that the idea is when you play zone, you're not supposed to really give up offensive rebounds. You can just see lack of effort to seek the ball for a defensive rebound. It's just uninspired basketball.
Quote from: MUeng on January 04, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
didn't think it could get much worse after Creighton. It certainly has. Legitimate question: do we win a conference game this year?
If it doesn't happen against DePaul, it won't happen against anyone. On the plus side, maybe if they sweep us we can call the rivalry renewed.
Was that just back to back transition buckets? Has that happened this before this season?
With this saving run, I guess we can call Mayo, "Batman."
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on January 04, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Just one of those years I think. We've been spoiled though.
+1
It happens
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 04, 2014, 01:27:47 PM
Worse, not sure how a team can regress worse each game, game after game.
Luckily, our conference TV contract has regressed in step so we don't have to watch our team!
Not only has FS1 sold off some of its inventory to CBSSN (which a fair amount of us don't get), but if you're not one with one of the few cable providers signed with Fox Sports Go you can't watch online even if the game is on FS1 and you're not at home. It's incredibly frustrating and while we've all been singing the same "We're off ESPN!" tune, reality kicks in.
Why did refs stop calling tripping fouls?
I thought everyone here hated mayo
Quote from: xghostsniperx on January 04, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
Luckily, our conference TV contract has regressed in step so we don't have to watch our team!
Not only has FS1 sold off some of its inventory to CBSSN (which a fair amount of us don't get), but if you're not one with one of the few cable providers signed with Fox Sports Go you can't watch online even if the game is on FS1 and you're not at home. It's incredibly frustrating and while we've all been singing the same "We're off ESPN!" tune, reality kicks in.
They sold the games to CBSSN long before the season started.
sad thing is, the CBS Sports lead-in was the Tuskegee-Morehouse Division II game and there was better basketball played in that game.
Quote from: MUCrew on January 04, 2014, 01:32:36 PM
What ticks me off is that the idea is when you play zone, you're not supposed to really give up offensive rebounds. You can just see lack of effort to seek the ball for a defensive rebound. It's just uninspired basketball.
I said this during the wisconsin game and was called an idiot. It's obvious if you watch the game this has been the case on more than one occasion.
This is such a disjointed lineup.
Two guards that can't or won't score in Jake and DW. Three senior "leaders" who are inconsistent or being asked to do more than they should. And a crop of young guys you think would get time. Then there the enigmas of Juan and Todd and Taylor. Just a weird I cohesive team.
Quote from: xghostsniperx on January 04, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
Luckily, our conference TV contract has regressed in step so we don't have to watch our team!
Not only has FS1 sold off some of its inventory to CBSSN (which a fair amount of us don't get), but if you're not one with one of the few cable providers signed with Fox Sports Go you can't watch online even if the game is on FS1 and you're not at home. It's incredibly frustrating and while we've all been singing the same "We're off ESPN!" tune, reality kicks in.
I couldn't disagree more. Pay up a little and literally every single game is televised. Every big east teams games are for that matter. The fox sports partnership is an unreal get for the big east.
Quote from: mugrack on January 04, 2014, 01:37:38 PM
I thought everyone here hated mayo
I think we hate whoever doesn't perform well from game-to-game.
Where is JJJ?? :-[
At least we'll get a good draft choice.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:38:45 PM
They sold the games to CBSSN long before the season started.
I don't follow your point. Are you suggesting fans should plan ahead and upgrade the cable package in anticipation for the 2-3 games we have on CBSSN?
My point was that we cannot watch select MU games unless I choose to add the channel to my cable package. Not to mention, if I need to watch the game on a computer I'm screwed with my cable provider.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 01:41:23 PM
Where is JJJ?? :-[
Why would a top 50 HS senior even think about coming to MU if they will never play?
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 01:41:23 PM
Where is JJJ?? :-[
Was thinking the same. And can't Steve get more than a 30 second stint off the bench?
CO with the left hand.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 04, 2014, 01:08:49 PM
Jamil jake Juan ox otule starting
People celebrating because this lineup doesn't include DWil are blind. A team with CO, Davante and Jake on the floor at the same time plays in quicksand.
Quote from: injuryBug on January 04, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
Why would a top 50 HS senior even think about coming to MU if they will never play?
Especially on a team as bad as this.
Quote from: MUeng on January 04, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
didn't think it could get much worse after Creighton. It certainly has. Legitimate question: do we win a conference game this year?
Yes--today.
Does Jamil even care anymore?
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 04, 2014, 01:45:02 PM
Especially on a team as bad as this.
One of the only signs of life we showed (in 2nd half) vs. Creighton was when Jajuan took the ball to the hoop. Does defense even matter if we have no one in is scoring? ?-(
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 04, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
People celebrating because this lineup doesn't include DWil are blind. A team with CO, Davante and Jake on the floor at the same time plays in quicksand.
I agree but it is a good start.
Quote from: xghostsniperx on January 04, 2014, 01:43:09 PM
I don't follow your point. Are you suggesting fans should plan ahead and upgrade the cable package in anticipation for the 2-3 games we have on CBSSN?
My point was that we cannot watch select MU games unless I choose to add the channel to my cable package. Not to mention, if I need to watch the game on a computer I'm screwed with my cable provider.
My point is if you want the games, fork over the extra cash. Marquette is making over 3 times what we did with ESPN. And every single game (but 3) is on national TV. FS1 has been nothing but amazing for us
Jamil looks bad
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:47:08 PM
My point is if you want the games, fork over the extra cash. Marquette is making over 3 times what we did with ESPN. And every single game (but 3) is on national TV. FS1 has been nothing but amazing for us
Ding ding ding.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on January 04, 2014, 01:43:01 PM
At least we'll get a good draft choice.
I doubt it. What good high school players want to come here and sit on the bench?
We need to stick with man. Depaul is having its best three point shooting game ever. They have 4 points not from 3s
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 01:48:51 PM
I doubt it. What good high school players want to come here and sit on the bench?
Based on next year's class, 4-5.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 04, 2014, 01:45:02 PM
Especially on a team as bad as this.
I thought he worked the hardest in bootcamp, cannot believe you bust your a$$ then and loaf during practice. This is frustrating
anybody noticing how ABYSMAL our defense is with Gardner and Burton in there? Layup city...
Depaul has never shot this well from 3, ever
Hey....for any of you scoopers at the game...can you do us a favor? Please go find a 9 iron....walk inconspicuously down to press row....and bury it, without warning, in Pete Gillen's skull. I can't take it anymore.
Thank you.
This is simply ridiculous that JJJ can't get into the game. If I'm him I would be steaming sitting on that bench and questioning why I came to Marquette...
Every team does that against mu.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
Depaul has never shot this well from 3, ever
DePaul has their go-to guy in Cleveland.
Marquette still looking for theirs.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
This is simply ridiculous that JJJ can't get into the game. If I'm him I would be steaming sitting on that bench and questioning why I came to Marquette...
+1000
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Hey....for any of you scoopers at the game...can you do us a favor? Please go find a 9 iron....walk inconspicuously down to press row....and bury it, without warning, in Pete Gillen's skull. I can't take it anymore.
Thank you.
I'm normally not a violent person, but I tend to share this sentiment. Very annoying.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 01:56:04 PM
out of hundreds..exactly
.....so unless we recruit "hundreds" of players ever year (which we don't have the scholarships for) then you are right?
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Hey....for any of you scoopers at the game...can you do us a favor? Please go find a 9 iron....walk inconspicuously down to press row....and bury it, without warning, in Pete Gillen's skull. I can't take it anymore.
Thank you.
He is pretty annoying to listen to.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
This is simply ridiculous that JJJ can't get into the game. If I'm him I would be steaming sitting on that bench and questioning why I came to Marquette...
I am definetely putting him on transfer watch. Along with Steve Taylor.
Depaul won't shoot that well in the second half. Make a few adjustments, then blow them out in the second half.
Melvin will come back to reality. We're not in bad shape considering how we started.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:49:02 PM
We need to stick with man. Depaul is having its best three point shooting game ever. They have 4 points not from 3s
Everyone has their best 3pt game against us. Do you see how poorly we rotate and close out? Like 2-3 arms lengths away.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 01:59:23 PM
I am definetely putting him on transfer watch. Along with Steve Taylor.
if they both transfer, next year will be painful. my eyes!
How does Depaul have 12 more field goal attempts than us in the first half. Granted we were fouled on 4 attempts or maybe 5, but the way this team shoots the ball we are NEVER going to win when the other team has 60% more FG attempts than we have. It's a miracle we are even close.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
Depaul won't shoot that well in the second half. Make a few adjustments, then blow them out in the second half.
. I am no longer concerned about season and more concerned about losing JJJ to Murray State or something
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 01:59:23 PM
I am definetely putting him on transfer watch. Along with Steve Taylor.
No and no. With everyone we are graduating this year, the starting jobs will be theirs to lose next year
No disrespect to DePaul, but this MU team is simply awful right now. Defensively, we lack understanding and, dare I say, intensity. Offensively, well, the results speak for themselves.
Without some major growth, we are looking at a very long season.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 02:01:12 PM
. I am no longer concerned about season and more concerned about losing JJJ to Murray State or something
You're ready to quit this season halfway through the second conference game? Sure about the Warrior in your name there KW?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
.....so unless we recruit "hundreds" of players ever year (which we don't have the scholarships for) then you are right?
Make your point and get out. You'll never convince the OP.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 04, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
Every team does that against mu.
The whole Creighton team 13-35 (two guys went off for 4-9)
UNM's Cullen Neal 6-8 from 3
BSU's Zavier Turner 4-6
Dekker 3-5
SDSU's Xavier Thames 5-6
ASU's Jahii Carson 3-5
UNH's Bronner and Dion were both 3-6
Grambling's Chandler Thomas 4-5
Southern's Malcolm Miller 4-9
Quote from: MUCrew on January 04, 2014, 02:00:38 PM
Everyone has their best 3pt game against us. Do you see how poorly we rotate and close out? Like 2-3 arms lengths away.
In Buzz we trust.
He has no clue how to coach 3 point defense.
Three point defense was terrible.
Otule's start was not good.
MU missed two frontend one/one fts.
MU made run with Jake and Anderson on bench. At 4 minute mark, they returned and stagnant.
I believe Juan will be regulated to starting and then bench after two to three minutes.
No JJJ was interesting, don't get it with Thomas. JJJ can't be that bad.........
Taylor????, heck he is the starting center next year, better get him some pt Buzz.
Pete Gillen, nice guy, but one of worst announcers ever.
Jamil and Ox aren't the senior leaders they should be. It was better when we actually had players willing to be leaders, aka Vander, Jae, DJO, Jimmy in past years, and guys like Jamil and Ox were complimentary role players and not leaders. Jamil just doesn't have a good motor and neither does Ox. They seem like they don't care much. The other players on the team are incomplete players that hurt us in different ways. Guys like Derrick, Juan and Jake are solid defensively, but have little offensive skills. The younger guys like Deonte and Jajuan are talented offensively, but are poor defenders.
Where's Hamilton for DePaul?
Too far to press row so won't go down there.
Friend noticed no banner hanging for 77 team. Any insights as to that?
Without some major growth, we are looking at a very long season.
[/quote]we are already in the middle of a long season
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 04, 2014, 02:00:18 PM
Melvin will come back to reality. We're not in bad shape considering how we started.
We are not in bad shape for the game.
This is also DePaul...at home. They might make the NIT this year. In other words, a good team would have probably already put us away.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 01:59:23 PM
I am definetely putting him on transfer watch. Along with Steve Taylor.
STjr is a junior. He is gonna sit out a year to play one year?????
He is still not healthy-- well known. Besides next year he will play the 5 the 4 and the 3-- sometimes all at the same time.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 04, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
Jamil and Ox aren't the senior leaders they should be. It was better when we actually had players willing to be leaders, aka Vander, Jae, DJO, Jimmy in past years, and guys like Jamil and Ox were complimentary role players and not leaders. Jamil just doesn't have a good motor and neither does Ox. They seem like they don't care much. The other players on the team are incomplete players that hurt us in different ways. Guys like Derrick, Juan and Jake are solid defensively, but have little offensive skills. The younger guys like Deonte and Jajuan are talented offensively, but are poor defenders.
As much as this board would bury Junior last year, we really, really miss him too. Like, way more than I thought we would and I already thought wed miss him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
No and no. With everyone we are graduating this year, the starting jobs will be theirs to lose next year
We'll JJJ is apparently blocked by Thomas this year. Are you sure that Dylan Flood might not block him next year?! I heard he's a pretty good practice player ;D What a joke these rotations have turned out to be this year.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 04, 2014, 02:06:56 PM
STjr is a junior. He is gonna sit out a year to play one year?????
He is still not healthy-- well known. Besides next year he will play the 5 the 4 and the 3-- sometimes all at the same time.
He's a sophomore.
Warriors4Ever - 77 banner on the side opposite to the others. It is there.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
No and no. With everyone we are graduating this year, the starting jobs will be theirs to lose next year
I agree with your assessment, however the seniors are SUCKING.
I think Buzz is subscribing to the "It's still early in the season" nonsense and looks willing to stand on this Titanic.
- MU's scoring and defensive woes have not been solved since tOSU
- We're almost at the halfway mark in the season and have ZERO non-conf or high quality wins (unless GW counts)
- Buzz is gambling with playing safe and experienced upper classmen hoping they'll keep the game close but jeopardizing potential scoring
JW cannot let that happen!
If JJJ transfers that's strictly on Buzz. Playing the guys who practice hardest makes zero sense. You play the guys who give you the best chance to win.
Brutal.
Garrett is a nice Freshman PG for Depaul. Amazing quickness and was rated like 99 in Rivals, while Duane Wilson was like 50. Maybe next year.
And Juan to the bench after two minutes.
Must be next to the Al banner.
This has been painful to watch so far.
This is a bad team losing to a bad team at home.
Look at Jake vs JJJ: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/269/sort/threePointFieldGoalsMade/marquette-golden-eagles
Jake has a better 3 pt% than JJJ.
However, JJJ has played 140 minutes LESS than Jake and has a higher FG%, FT%, 20 points less, 7 less assists, 2 more steals, and 1 more BLK.
JJJ needs to see more playing time because one of the keys to Buzz's offense (or whatever it is) is transition points.
JJJ offers that witht his length, speed, and ability to take it to the rim.
If JJJ does transfer, this one is on Buzz.
Derrick shot a three and made it! Didn't count though.
Gillen keeps talking up Burton, but I don't see it today.
Jake zero points
Juan zero points
Derrick zero points
JJJ still on bench with Jamil who has his head up his arse. WTF??
We sure give up a lot of three's to teams who normally don't make as many - a reoccurring theme all year.
If JJJ has not thought of transferring yet, I would think he would after a DNP against DePaul where mu's off sucked.
Our defense is complete sh*t. How do you let a guy who has torched you all game get a 3-pointer off...again.
Nm. Repeat post.
JJJ must be the laziest practice player ever!
Gardner is pretty bad inside this year. Just flails around too much.
I have been watching the bench and JJJ doesn't look like a happy camper and who can blame him.
If you notice JJJ is the only player that is not cheering on the bench. Transfer coming after the season
Is JJJ sick? Or did he not flop around at enough loose balls that were rolling around the floor at practice to "earn" minutes? If that's the case, my dog could definitely earn some minutes since he loves chasing rolling balls.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 04, 2014, 02:20:45 PM
Gillen keeps talking up Burton, but I don't see it today.
Seems to have a red light...on passing.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 04, 2014, 02:23:36 PM
Our defense is complete sh*t. How do you let a guy who has torched you all game get a 3-pointer off...again.
The switches between man and zone every few possessions doesn't help.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 04, 2014, 02:24:19 PM
We sure give up a lot of three's to teams who normally don't make as many - a reoccurring theme all year.
If JJJ has not thought of transferring yet, I would think he would after a DNP against DePaul where mu's off sucked.
For the sake of his personal basketball growth, i almost hope he does transfer. He deserves better.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
I have been watching the bench and JJJ doesn't look like a happy camper and who can blame him.
All his hard work in boot camp did not pay off
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:25:30 PM
If you notice JJJ is the only player that is not cheering on the bench. Transfer coming after the season
I have noticed this as well. But at least we made JT happy his senior year lol
Jake cuts the lead to 4
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
I have been watching the bench and JJJ doesn't look like a happy camper and who can blame him.
After the progress he has shown the past few games and the spark he has given us...I am disappointed. Can there be another reason he is not playing (like flu) that could justify his pine time? We would hear if he violated a minor rule and we certainly would hear if he had a major injury...my guess is we would hear if he was not feeling well also....it can not possibly be a basketball reason....can't....if it is in Buzz' mind than I am really confused and disheartened. The guy has really been showing something on the court...wish we could be seeing it today.
Our strategy to come back in any second half is hope Jake makes some threes.
Jake's grandpa must have saved buzz dad during Nam
Beautiful entry pass by Jamil
Buzz has been saving the double screens for JT for when we really need them.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on January 04, 2014, 02:29:40 PM
Our strategy to come back in any second half is hope Jake makes some threes.
Is running plays for your best three point shooter a bad strategy?
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on January 04, 2014, 02:10:22 PM
As much as this board would bury Junior last year, we really, really miss him too. Like, way more than I thought we would and I already thought wed miss him.
+1 Junior was one of my least favorite players of the past few years yet I would probably take him over any player on this team at this point.
I hope we lose all our games so that buzz gets fired. That's the way I feel right now
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
Is running plays for your best three point shooter a bad strategy?
Of course not. But it's sad when we can't get anything else going.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 04, 2014, 12:47:20 PM
Let's kick some Blue Demon a$$.
Nothing like a 20 point blow out to warm things up.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
Feed the OX!!!!!!!!!!
One Depaul center has 4 fouls, the other 3. It will be pound it inside soon.
Quote from: elephantraker on January 04, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Buzz has been saving the double screens for JT for when we really need them.
When you need to double screen for JT, it's apparent that the guy can't make his own shot.
Glad it's falling, but that's a liability for an offense and not the recipe for an NCAA tourney team.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
I hope we lose all our games so that buzz gets fired. That's the way I feel right now
Then you sir are no Warrior
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
I hope we lose all our games so that buzz gets fired. That's the way I feel right now
Jesus. 3 straight sweet 16s, including an elite 8, and we get this stuff on scoop?
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:25:30 PM
If you notice JJJ is the only player that is not cheering on the bench. Transfer coming after the season
Sounds something like Furguson, last year.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on January 04, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
Jesus. 3 straight sweet 16s, including an elite 8, and we get this stuff on scoop?
Eh, all his posts are awful. Disregard.
Sitting across from the MU bench - certainly is not enthusiastic this game.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:25:30 PM
If you notice JJJ is the only player that is not cheering on the bench. Transfer coming after the season
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:33:45 PM
Then you sir are no Warrior
DISENGAGE! For your own good.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
I hope we lose all our games so that buzz gets fired. That's the way I feel right now
Dreadful.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 04, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
I hope we lose all our games so that buzz gets fired. That's the way I feel right now
Is that sarcasm? If not.... Get the hell outta here then and STFU.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on January 04, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
Jesus. 3 straight sweet 16s, including an elite 8, and we get this stuff on scoop?
Yea. That's a little extreme. This is not Alabama football and we need not fly off handle for one bad year. Who knows this game could be our turning point
As much as I am in the "In Buzz we Trust" camp and how much I support Jake, I am confused by the fact that JJJ has not played at all this game
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on January 04, 2014, 02:34:19 PM
Sounds something like Furguson, last year.
Hes in his feelings. His friends and family prolly telling him he should be playing 30 min a night.
Transfer Alert
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
As much as I am in the "In Buzz we Trust" camp and how much I support Jake, I am confused by the fact that JJJ has not played at all this game
I am too. Love buzz but the JJJ thing is baffling.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
As much as I am in the "In Buzz we Trust" camp and how much I support Jake, I am confused by the fact that JJJ has not played at all this game
It seems like one of those "learning a lesson" games for Jajuan. Why else would he not be in besides illness? And he doesn't really look ill, just frustrated/unhappy.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 04, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
When you need to double screen for JT, it's apparent that the guy can't make his own shot.
Glad it's falling, but that's a liability for an offense and not the recipe for an NCAA tourney team.
Liability.... Orrrrrr, maybe good coaching to get your best three point shooter open and into the game.
C'mon man.
Is there a more failed experiment than Oxtule? something about einstein and insanity...
My gut says JJJ and dawson are suspended for this one after seeong Dawsons Twitter feed
Oxtule worked great last year during tourney
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 04, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
My gut says JJJ and dawson are suspended for this one after seeong Dawsons Twitter feed
please don't leave us hanging
Jamil with foul, then double teams and gives up a three to Melvin. The doubling down on defense and then the subsequent kickout is killing them. Just like in other games. Don't they stop the doubling????
BTW, these fouls are killing the college game.
Depaul is trying to give us this game. We just need to take it
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 04, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
My gut says JJJ and dawson are suspended for this one after seeong Dawsons Twitter feed
Really?????????
To his credit, DG looks a lot more engaged today.
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2014, 02:42:18 PM
please don't leave us hanging
John Dawson @J_Dawsonn 14h
The last way I wanted to end the night tonight #disappointment
Marquette's first Big East lead
btw...MU winning
oh goodie... jamil's 4th. off the ball.
Have all four of Jamil's fouls been off the ball? What is he doing that keeps getting called?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 04, 2014, 02:44:16 PM
John Dawson @J_Dawsonn 14h
The last way I wanted to end the night tonight #disappointment
Maybe Buzz suspended JJJ for cockblocking Dawson
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 04, 2014, 02:44:16 PM
John Dawson @J_Dawsonn 14h
The last way I wanted to end the night tonight #disappointment
Maybe they ran out of real chili....maybe he ended up with a real woofer....maybe he did not find the meaning of life in his winter break philosophy reading
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:46:20 PM
Have all four of Jamil's fouls been off the ball? What is he doing that keeps getting called?
Pushing off. He has had a real bad second half. Needs to step it up (like Melvin does) now to beat this BE powerhouse at home.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2014, 02:46:20 PM
Have all four of Jamil's fouls been off the ball? What is he doing that keeps getting called?
No basketball IQ
I'm a jamil supporter, but he's been terrible today.
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2014, 02:47:25 PM
Maybe they ran out of real chili....maybe he ended up with a real woofer....maybe he did not find the meaning of life in his winter break philosophy reading
Wat was jjj ranked nationally like in the 40's..... Sheesh yea hes mad.
That was a sweet DeWilson play.
Great hustle play by Jamil
D. Wil ugly......ugly..
Jamil must have heard us, way to go.
JJJ can take D. Wil spot anytime. D is 100% awful.
Quote from: nyg on January 04, 2014, 02:51:29 PM
D. Wil ugly......ugly..
Jamil must have heard us, way to go.
oh yea. dewil's fault the pass was terrible...
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 04, 2014, 02:44:09 PM
To his credit, DG looks a lot more engaged today.
That's because he's scoring.
Beautiful ball movement on that play
Oh and JJJ looks like he's celebrating now
Looked like the whole bench - including JJJ - was up after that Mayo 3.
Pete Gillen is somehow less irritating this half. :D ?-(
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 04, 2014, 02:56:24 PM
Pete Gillen is somehow less irritating this half. :D ?-(
agreed....of course, that is because I have him on mute.
The Purdue wash out fouls out
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 04, 2014, 02:53:15 PM
That's because he's scoring.
Jamil's been a turnover machine, but he has as many assists to Gardner today as Derrick had all season coming in.
Is Devante Back???????? Or is this Fools Gold????
Quote from: chapman on January 04, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Jamil's been a turnover machine, but he has as many assists to Gardner today as Derrick had all season coming in.
Yeah...what does that have to do with what I wrote?
We are getting some vintage Davante Gardner this game. Hopefully we get this the rest of the way
Quote from: chapman on January 04, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
Jamil's been a turnover machine, but he has as many assists to Gardner today as Derrick had all season coming in.
He has 4 assists to go with his 6 turnovers so far.
Would really like to see what the plus minus for each player were today. Specifically Otule. Seemed they were a lot better when he was out.
Wow two really bad teams
Johnson just went to the scorers table so apparently I'm wrong.
Classless move by buzz to put JJJ in at this point.
Couldn't watch the game because of the whole CBS sports network thing. Was Davante getting a lot more paint touches today? Think that D. Wilson not starting/playing as much would have something to do with that if so.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on January 04, 2014, 02:39:59 PM
Liability.... Orrrrrr, maybe good coaching to get your best three point shooter open and into the game.
C'mon man.
You really want to do that all game?
He hit it. Great.
Do it EVERY game? No, because you gamble on him hitting the open shot while removing your rebounders from an offensive putback.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 04, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
Yeah...what does that have to do with what I wrote?
Just saying, while starting him and trying to push his buttons has undoubtedly been a part of it, who he started in place of is a big reason he's scoring.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on January 04, 2014, 03:06:12 PM
Classless move by buzz to put JJJ in at this point.
Must be one of Buzz's life lessons....seriously...must be something going on
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 04, 2014, 03:06:23 PM
Couldn't watch the game because of the whole CBS sports network thing. Was Davante getting a lot more paint touches today? Think that D. Wilson not starting/playing as much would have something to do with that if so.
I'm guessing that DW played about 30 minutes today so I don't think that's the reason.
Oh boy, saw JJJ standup to come in garbage time with one minute to go, then sat down. Guess not injured. Ummmm?????
Burton played two minutes in second half, Taylor was DNP, Dawson was DNP and JJJ was DNP.
Buzz is teaching them a lesson. Hope things shape-up so we see JJJ a lot next game.
Anyone wanting to compare MU's performance to Georgetown's (vs DePaul)?
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400504512
Quote from: nyg on January 04, 2014, 03:09:53 PM
Oh boy, saw JJJ standup to come in garbage time with one minute to go, then sat down. Guess not injured. Ummmm?????
Burton played two minutes in second half, Taylor was DNP, Dawson was DNP and JJJ was DNP.
Burton stunk today so didn't deserve more than that. Others (except Dawson) are interesting.
Dang it, that dunk with less than a second left means that Marquette does not cover the 11 point spread! Argh!
Quote from: murobrob on January 04, 2014, 03:08:23 PM
Must be one of Buzz's life lessons....seriously...must be something going on
Somethings gotta be going on. A DNP for jjj wow.
DNP for Dawson no surprise #TransferAlert ala Jamal Ferg.
Great game OX!!!
How do we win a game when the other team shoots 50% (give or take) more FG attempts than we do? That's crazy.
Don't think Burton stunk today but with things this close you do not want to make freshman mistakes on the court ala DePaul
Quote from: elephantraker on January 04, 2014, 03:16:15 PM
Don't think Burton stunk today but with things this close you do not want to make freshman mistakes on the court ala DePaul
Depaul stunk it up. For sure.
Newsflash guys: freshman minutes always decrease when we hit BEAST play.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on January 04, 2014, 03:06:12 PM
Classless move by buzz to put JJJ in at this point.
It's more of an insult than anything at that point...what a slap in the face. If I'm JJJ I'm gone!
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
It's more of an insult than anything at that point...what a slap in the face. If I'm JJJ I'm gone!
Well, you're not. And we're all grateful for that.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 04, 2014, 03:30:14 PM
Well, you're not. And we're all grateful for that.
Wow good one
Not sure why we have this need to predict transfers when guys don't play.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 03:35:01 PM
Not sure why we have this need to predict transfers when guys don't play.
Because in this day and age if you are a highly regarded recruit you expect to play or you will go elsewhere.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Because in this day and age if you are a highly regarded recruit you expect to play or you will go elsewhere.
So should they be played solely to prevent them from possibly transferring?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
So should they be played solely to prevent them from possibly transferring?
I think by not playing him that is what you are risking. Is it worth it to give Thomas all those minutes and him none? Thomas is a senior who is lucky he has a scholarship...so we risk alienating someone who is part of our bright future to appease Thomas who is a marginal player that is gone after this year? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I also think we wouldn't be sacrificing anything by playing JJJ over JT and potentially gain more athleticism and explosiveness.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
So should they be played solely to prevent them from possibly transferring?
I'm not at a coach but yes you need to play them so a top 50 guy does not transfer.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:46:49 PM
I think by not playing him that is what you are risking. Is it worth it to give Thomas all those minutes and him none? Thomas is a senior who is lucky he has a scholarship...so we risk alienating someone who is part of our bright future to appease Thomas who is a marginal player that is gone after this year? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I also think we wouldn't be sacrificing anything by playing JJJ over JT and potentially gain more athleticism and explosiveness.
LOL...
JT has outplayed JJJ against quality competition. Look up the differences. Buzz isn't going to play JJJ (or anybody) because they might transfer, over a senior who has no other options, even though the senior is playing better.
JJJ clearly has more potential, and will be WAY better three years from now than JT is now, but JT's experience makes him better.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:46:49 PM
I think by not playing him that is what you are risking. Is it worth it to give Thomas all those minutes and him none? Thomas is a senior who is lucky he has a scholarship...so we risk alienating someone who is part of our bright future to appease Thomas who is a marginal player that is gone after this year? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I also think we wouldn't be sacrificing anything by playing JJJ over JT and potentially gain more athleticism and explosiveness.
Perhaps Buzz doesn't care. Buzz tells these guys all the same thing. And most likely tells them that when recruiting them. If they can't hack his system, or if they don't have mindset, patience and drive to stick it out, then I'm sure Buzz is okay with them leaving.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
I'm not at a coach but yes you need to play them so a top 50 guy does not transfer.
Here's the problem, what if the guy isn't very good?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
LOL...
JT has outplayed JJJ against quality competition. Look up the differences. Buzz isn't going to play JJJ (or anybody) because they might transfer, over a senior who has no other options, even though the senior is playing better.
JJJ clearly has more potential, and will be WAY better three years from now than JT is now, but JT's experience makes him better.
Your right JJJ will be really good. Just not for Marquette they way his PT is. 15 years ago people had patience and would not mind sitting behind senior, but things change Mox. Nowadays they expect to play from day - especially guy who have been told how great they are since 7th grade.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
Your right JJJ will be really good. Just not for Marquette they way his PT is. 15 years ago people had patience and would not mind sitting behind senior, but things change Mox. Nowadays they expect to play from day - especially guy who have been told how great they are since 7th grade.
Then let him transfer.
Buzz will land a stud who is actually ready to play immediately.
(that's how it works, right?)
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Because in this day and age if you are a highly regarded recruit you expect to play or you will go elsewhere.
+100
Indeed
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
LOL...
JT has outplayed JJJ against quality competition. Look up the differences. Buzz isn't going to play JJJ (or anybody) because they might transfer, over a senior who has no other options, even though the senior is playing better.
JJJ clearly has more potential, and will be WAY better three years from now than JT is now, but JT's experience makes him better.
If JJJ got JT minutes his stats would be better I would bet my salary on it. I think you have blinders on when it comes to DW and JT. Did they nominate you to be presidents of their fan clubs or something?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 04, 2014, 03:57:21 PM
Then let him transfer.
Buzz will land a stud who is actually ready to play immediately.
(that's how it works, right?)
No, they would get buried on the bench behind walk on caliber upperclassmen
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
No, they would get buried on the bench behind walk on caliber upperclassmen
No, Buzz will land a guy BETTER than JJJ!!!!
If there is one thing I know about fans, they always love the new guys.
In 2 years, people are going to want JJJ nailed to the bench so they can see the next top 20 rated recruit play.
People love new.
People are idiots.
With Thomas leaving and maybe Mayo 50/50, JJJ will have the minutes next year and probably knows it. Unless Ahmed Hill, who is averaging over 30ppg this year in HS, comes into the equation. But, he will be a freshman.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 04, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
No, Buzz will land a guy BETTER than JJJ!!!!
If there is one thing I know about fans, they always love the new guys.
In 2 years, people are going to want JJJ nailed to the bench so they can see the next top 20 rated recruit play.
People love new.
People are idiots.
Sorry
JJJ Was #27 on ESPN Top 100. The players better than him
Are going in the 1st round. Parker Wiggins Randle Embiid and them.
JJJ is not just another recruit. He's high caliber not a wait till hes a Sr. Type of guy. Unless he was overrated.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
If JJJ got JT minutes his stats would be better I would bet my salary on it. I think you have blinders on when it comes to DW and JT. Did they nominate you to be presidents of their fan clubs or something?
Wow.
It has come to this.
The Sultan has been nominated to be President of Jake Thomas's fan club. I have now seen it all.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 04:11:09 PM
Wow.
It has come to this.
The Sultan has been nominated to be President of Jake Thomas's fan club. I have now seen it all.
And Derrick Wilson's don't forget about him...
Derrick was the best point on the floor today. Jamil was brutal. I am looking forward to see the +/- when DW was on the floor versus when he wasn't. I think you will see a HUGE difference.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 04, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
Your right JJJ will be really good. Just not for Marquette they way his PT is. 15 years ago people had patience and would not mind sitting behind senior, but things change Mox. Nowadays they expect to play from day - especially guy who have been told how great they are since 7th grade.
He isn't in 7th grade anymore. He will and should have to earn his way. It is a life lesson that will make him stronger and better and the team stronger and better. If he is so used to being entitled that he transfers, then so be it, he wasn't strong enough to be a warrior. No coach should coddle his players, that's ridiculous and a good way to have a program implode.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 04:19:52 PM
Derrick was the best point on the floor today. Jamil was brutal. I am looking forward to see the +/- when DW was on the floor versus when he wasn't. I think you will see a HUGE difference.
Wilson's stat line 2pts, 2 rbd's, 3 ast's, 2 to's, in 31 minutes... And 2-6 from the ft line ::)
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 04:31:42 PM
Wilson's stat line 2pts, 2 rbd's, 3 ast's, 2 to's, in 31 minutes... And 2-6 from the ft line ::)
But how many times did he flop around on the floor chasing after a ball?
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 04, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
Sorry
JJJ Was #27 on ESPN Top 100. The players better than him
Are going in the 1st round. Parker Wiggins Randle Embiid and them.
JJJ is not just another recruit. He's high caliber not a wait till hes a Sr. Type of guy. Unless he was overrated.
Here are a couple players ranked hear him:
Name Rank Playing time
Isaiah Hicks 18 9 minutes per game
Marcus Lee 25 8 minutes per game
Zak Irvin 22 17 minutes per game
Jujuan Johnson 27 17 minutes per game
Robert Hubbs 29 18 minutes per game
There are at least 3 players ranked above him playing the same or less. I didn't go through all the names because it is pointless. This idea that if you are top 30 you need to be playing 30 minutes is ridiculous...it doesn't work that way. Outside of the top 5/10 playing time is very hit or miss depending on the players development, team roster, coaching style etc.
Today, Mayo's energy was key in us playing from behind. We also need Jakes energy/shooting. Putting JJJ in would break momentum and possibly ruin a chance at a victory. He will continue to get time as he deserves and as is best for the team.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 04:31:42 PM
Wilson's stat line 2pts, 2 rbd's, 3 ast's, 2 to's, in 31 minutes... And 2-6 from the ft line ::)
31 min off the bench. Wow.
As Buzz said hes EARNED the right to start and if he playing 30+ a night as a Jr.
As a Sr he prolly gonna be playing 35+.
As fans were gonna talk about everything..... Including transfer alerts. It is what it is.
So if a frosh bolted we couldnt be surprised.
Quote from: forgetful on January 04, 2014, 04:42:57 PM
Here are a couple players ranked hear him:
Name Rank Playing time
Isaiah Hicks 18 9 minutes per game
Marcus Lee 25 8 minutes per game
Zak Irvin 22 17 minutes per game
Jujuan Johnson 27 17 minutes per game
Robert Hubbs 29 18 minutes per game
There are at least 3 players ranked above him playing the same or less. I didn't go through all the names because it is pointless. This idea that if you are top 30 you need to be playing 30 minutes is ridiculous...it doesn't work that way. Outside of the top 5/10 playing time is very hit or miss depending on the players development, team roster, coaching style etc.
Today, Mayo's energy was key in us playing from behind. We also need Jakes energy/shooting. Putting JJJ in would break momentum and possibly ruin a chance at a victory. He will continue to get time as he deserves and as is best for the team.
Thanks for those numbers great info.
Todd and Jake did play great today.
And yes jjj has to earn his time. I agree
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 04, 2014, 04:45:26 PM
31 min off the bench. Wow.
As Buzz said hes EARNED the right to start and if he playing 30+ a night as a Jr.
As a Sr he prolly gonna be playing 35+.
As fans were gonna talk about everything..... Including transfer alerts. It is what it is.
So if a frosh bolted we couldnt be surprised.
He should play fewer minutes as a Senior but will likely still start and play majority of minutes as we will have a (hopefully) healthy Duane Wilson.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 04:31:42 PM
Wilson's stat line 2pts, 2 rbd's, 3 ast's, 2 to's, in 31 minutes... And 2-6 from the ft line ::)
Yeah I know...not stellar.
But better than when Jamil was running point.
We're talking about practice...
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eGDBR2L5kzI/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 04:19:52 PM
Derrick was the best point on the floor today. Jamil was brutal. I am looking forward to see the +/- when DW was on the floor versus when he wasn't. I think you will see a HUGE difference.
DW's Roland Rating (difference in +/- on the floor versus off the floor) was 22. Very impressive.
Todd's was 38 though. That's an incredible figure!
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 04:31:42 PM
Wilson's stat line 2pts, 2 rbd's, 3 ast's, 2 to's, in 31 minutes... And 2-6 from the ft line ::)
The lack of scoring is a big concern, but so is the FT shooting. Guess who the opposing team will be fouling in close games near the end.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 04, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
If JJJ got JT minutes his stats would be better I would bet my salary on it. I think you have blinders on when it comes to DW and JT. Did they nominate you to be presidents of their fan clubs or something?
No, in reality, he's Buzz assistant coach. That's why he'll never second guess him. He knows where his bread is buttered. ;D
Hey PH - you causing trouble out here?
Quote from: Heavy Gear on January 04, 2014, 05:20:13 PM
We're talking about practice...
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eGDBR2L5kzI/hqdefault.jpg)
exactly!!! practice not a game... but practice..