Kudos to that young man for his performance last night. Had we finished that off with a win last night, no question he's my SOTG. By far his best game in a Marquette uniform, and started to put all the pieces together. The drives that he was occasionally trying in earlier games came out in force, maybe because with Mayo out, there was no one else to force the issue getting into the lane. His assist to turnover ratio was crazy-good. As a team we were 18/4, with Wilson personally going 7/0. Also shot over 50% from the line (not great, but baby steps) and got some boards.
He's growing on the job. I realize last night won't be the norm for him, but it does show what he is capable of. He still has deficiencies. He's not a three-point shooter, he doesn't make the flashy no-look type passes we've come to expect from Cadougan, but he's efficient, a great defender, and can do just enough of the little things that, as long as he plays with confidence, will get us wins and lead to a successful season.
He's better than most people think.
Buzz LOVES him. (listen to the postgame show, folks.)
The back-up PG spot is a concern for me because I don't think Derrick can play at a high level for 35+ min per night. IF MU finds 10-15min of decent back-up PG play, I think it'll really help. I think Derrick can be pretty good for about 25min. per night.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
He's better than most people think.
Buzz LOVES him. (listen to the postgame show, folks.)
The back-up PG spot is a concern for me because I don't think Derrick can play at a high level for 35+ min per night. IF MU finds 10-15min of decent back-up PG play, I think it'll really help. I think Derrick can be pretty good for about 25min. per night.
Link?
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 26, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
Link?
Crap, sorry, I heard it live last night. Not sure if they post those.
I'll paraphrase, but Buzz said something like:
"I love Derrick. I don't care what our fanbase thinks or what twitter says. I love guys like that. Derrick will always be my guy... (etc.etc.)"
THIS IS NOT AN EXACT QUOTE, I'M GOING FROM MEMORY
I can definitely live with PG that doesn't make the showtime passes but doesn't turn it over and plays solid defense without fouling much. I always liked Acker more than most people because he always seemed to be in control and almost never made a stupid play. He was a much better shooter than Wilson but Wilson can be a better defender. Carson had a huge game last night but we won't see many guards as good as him this year.
Bears could have used him in short yardage situations rather than Michael Bush. ASU tackled him about seven times by my count reaching for a 1st down. Key was getting Carson in foul trouble. DW was muscling him.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
He's better than most people think.
Buzz LOVES him. (listen to the postgame show, folks.)
The back-up PG spot is a concern for me because I don't think Derrick can play at a high level for 35+ min per night. IF MU finds 10-15min of decent back-up PG play, I think it'll really help. I think Derrick can be pretty good for about 25min. per night.
He did a nice job using his body when taking the ball to the rim, his strength is a huge asset and I'd like to see him do it more. He probably could have been even more effective at the rim if it wasn't for a 7'2 Center with great shot-blocking skills.
14pts-7ast-4reb-0TO's-39min...that's a good looking line.
We will go as far as our guards take us this year.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
He's better than most people think.
Buzz LOVES him. (listen to the postgame show, folks.)
The back-up PG spot is a concern for me because I don't think Derrick can play at a high level for 35+ min per night. IF MU finds 10-15min of decent back-up PG play, I think it'll really help. I think Derrick can be pretty good for about 25min. per night.
I think he is better than most think. He was a proficient scorer in high school and I think we will start to see more of that going forward. (I know it was high school in Alaska, but the point is he knows how to score.)
I wish he could develop some confidence in an outside shot. There were several times last night where he passed up wide open looks from three. If he knocks even a few of those down it will pull the defense out a little and open things up for him and others. Right now he is hardly drawing a defender outside the three point line.
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 26, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
I think he is better than most think. He was a proficient scorer in high school and I think we will start to see more of that going forward. (I know it was high school in Alaska, but the point is he knows how to score.)
I wish he could develop some confidence in an outside shot. There were several times last night where he passed up wide open looks from three. If he knocks even a few of those down it will pull the defense out a little and open things up for him and others. Right now he is hardly drawing a defender outside the three point line.
Derrick actually went to HS at Hotchkiss in Connecticut.
Anyway, I agree with Derrick's outside shooting. Even if he takes 1 or 2 threes/jumpers a game, it would draw the D out just a little bit. Cadougan shot under 25% last season but even that was enough for the defenders to play him a little tighter.
Also overlooked with Derrick is that he's basically playing a new position. For the last two seasons his job was to come in for 2-3 minutes at a time and not screw things up. This year, he's running the show for 30+ minutes a night. That's a big change and there's going to be a period of adjustment. Hopefully last night was a big step in the right direction.
Quote from: hairyworthen on November 26, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
I think he is better than most think. He was a proficient scorer in high school and I think we will start to see more of that going forward. (I know it was high school in Alaska, but the point is he knows how to score.)
I wish he could develop some confidence in an outside shot. There were several times last night where he passed up wide open looks from three. If he knocks even a few of those down it will pull the defense out a little and open things up for him and others. Right now he is hardly drawing a defender outside the three point line.
He's had some good looking jumpers (near misses) and some ugly looking jumpers so far this year.
He's never going to be Novak, but he might be as good as Junior (eventually).
I don't think Derrick is going to average double figures. But, he could realistically avg. 6pts, 5ast, 3.5reb. 1 turnover... and I know Buzz would LOVE that.
He has to continue to be aggressive, and other guys have to make shots. When that happens, everything looks a lot better.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 26, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
Link?
Posted on mutube today
http://www.gomarquette.com/allaccess/
Quote from: Tmreddevil on November 26, 2013, 09:53:23 AM
Posted on mutube today
http://www.gomarquette.com/allaccess/
Derrick Wilson statements by Buzz at 1:25.
I am beyond thrilled at what we got out of Derrick and hope it was a sign of great things to come. Of course, if he had averaged 14 points the first four games and then only had 2 vs ASU, we'd say the 2 was an aberration, so I'm hoping the opposite isn't true!
I'm encouraged but I'm trying to stay realistic. If we had Carson and they had Derrick, we probably win this game going away. So it's not as if Derrick suddenly has become a great PG. Still ...
For the very first time in 2+ years, he did finally show signs that he can be an effective college PG. So color me cautiously optimistic and wanting to see more!
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 09:09:37 AM
Crap, sorry, I heard it live last night. Not sure if they post those.
I'll paraphrase, but Buzz said something like:
"I love Derrick. I don't care what our fanbase thinks or what twitter says. I love guys like that. Derrick will always be my guy... (etc.etc.)"
THIS IS NOT AN EXACT QUOTE, I'M GOING FROM MEMORY
Not being in any way critical of Derrick who had a great game, but you can only expect that Buzz is going to have his guy's back when asked about a player by the media. I guess that you can call that love, if you want.
The way Buzz really showed love for Derrick was by the playing time that he got.
While a big fan of Buzz, I've grown tired of his move of choosing select quotes or comments from twitter, message boards, etc and then extrapolating them to the entire fan base.
Certainly there are Derrick Wilson critics, but based on reading a number of threads there seem to be far more defenders of him than critics.
You can't always be the victim.
Quote from: Marquette_g on November 26, 2013, 11:37:33 AM
While a big fan of Buzz, I've grown tired of his move of choosing select quotes or comments from twitter, message boards, etc and then extrapolating them to the entire fan base.
Certainly there are Derrick Wilson critics, but based on reading a number of threads there seem to be far more defenders of him than critics.
You can't always be the victim.
Why not? And what's the matter with it if it's an effective way to motivate the team? I can handle it.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 26, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
Why not? And what's the matter with it if it's an effective way to motivate the team? I can handle it.
Well it is disingenuous
Quote from: Marquette_g on November 26, 2013, 11:42:02 AM
Well it is disingenuous
I think that that latitude should be allowed when trying to keep together a group of young men under tremendous scrutiny who need to be motivated and kept from becoming overconfident at the same time.
Quote from: Marquette_g on November 26, 2013, 11:42:02 AM
Well it is disingenuous
If it's purposefully done, yes. Otherwise, it could just be that he is (unknowingly) generalizing from a few salient examples
Quote from: ElDonBDon on November 26, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
If it's purposefully done, yes. Otherwise, it could just be that he is (unknowingly) generalizing from a few salient examples
In Derrick's case, I don't think it's disingenuous.
There were a lot of "experts" on the internet the last couple of weeks who were highly critical of DW.
Props to D Wilson for having a decent game yesterday! However, he is still a below average D1 starting point guard and always will be. This past game was his absolute ceiling on how well he can perform. He is overmatched going to the hole and has no jump shot at all...he doesn't even look to shoot. If he was a penetrator/distributor this could be overlooked but he is none of the above. He stands at the top of the key and can't get us into our offense. Every time he scored I thought wow that was lucky! I love Marquette basketball and hope I'm wrong but I don't see this team going to the tournament with him as our starting pg :(
Quote from: LAZER on November 26, 2013, 09:15:30 AM
He did a nice job using his body when taking the ball to the rim, his strength is a huge asset and I'd like to see him do it more. He probably could have been even more effective at the rim if it wasn't for a 7'2 Center with great shot-blocking skills.
14pts-7ast-4reb-0TO's-39min...that's a good looking line.
I love that assist stat. It's good to see that he was getting others involved and making the team better. His points is a plus. Was also happy to see JJJ on the floor contributing 9pts, 3 Rebs, and 3 asts. I knew he was ready.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on November 26, 2013, 12:33:05 PM
I love that assist stat. It's good to see that he was getting others involved and making the team better. His points is a plus. Was also happy to see JJJ on the floor contributing 9pts, 3 Rebs, and 3 asts. I knew he was ready.
JJJ did a lot of positive things but I don't know if I'd declare him "ready" just yet.
In his first 5 games he's done: nothing, 12 points in a pro-am type game, DNP-CD, nothing, and 9-3-3. He's a very talented kid and his minutes will increase as the season goes on, but he's got some work to do before he's seeing crunch time minutes with everyone healthy.
What I will say is that he made the most of his opportunity. Mayo was out, minutes were available and JJJ did a nice job stepping up.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Props to D Wilson for having a decent game yesterday! However, he is still a below average D1 starting point guard and always will be. This past game was his absolute ceiling on how well he can perform. He is overmatched going to the hole and has no jump shot at all...he doesn't even look to shoot. If he was a penetrator/distributor this could be overlooked but he is none of the above. He stands at the top of the key and can't get us into our offense. Every time he scored I thought wow that was lucky! I love Marquette basketball and hope I'm wrong but I don't see this team going to the tournament with him as our starting pg :(
Rest easy.
You're wrong.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 01:03:51 PM
Rest easy.
You're wrong.
We shall see... I love Marquette hoops and its just troubling to watch him lead this team. I left the OSU game with over 5 minutes left cause I couldn't stomach watching him run the show anymore. I honestly hope I am dead wrong about him but he is what he is...tbh I would rather have Sykes from UWGB be our starting pg.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, both Derrick Wilson and Junior Cadougan are fantastic BACKUP point guards. You can definitely win with them, but it's not ideal to have to play them 25+ minutes a game.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 01:22:36 PM
We shall see... I love Marquette hoops and its just troubling to watch him lead this team. I left the OSU game with over 5 minutes left cause I couldn't stomach watching him run the show anymore. I honestly hope I am dead wrong about him but he is what he is...tbh I would rather have Sykes from UWGB be our starting pg.
Sykes is what I expected from Duane Wilson, just need to get him healthy. A week in the sun will be good for him. He was there last night.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 01:22:36 PM
We shall see... I love Marquette hoops and its just troubling to watch him lead this team. I left the OSU game with over 5 minutes left cause I couldn't stomach watching him run the show anymore. I honestly hope I am dead wrong about him but he is what he is...tbh I would rather have Sykes from UWGB be our starting pg.
I'll be the first to admit that there are better PGs is college basketball.
Derrick is a role player, and is effective in a specific role.
When the rest of the team executes, Derrick is just fine. If you expect Derrick to "takeover", then you'll be disappointed.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 01:03:51 PM
Rest easy.
You're wrong.
Haha seriously. Look at the '10-'11 team. 0-4 in quality non-conference games. 9-9 in conference. Took a couple wins in the BET to get us in as an 11, but we were in nonetheless and made the S16.
Last year we probably would have lost the Ohio St. boat game had it been played, we lost a very similar game to Butler as we just lost to ASU, got throttled by Florida, and then went to UWGB and lost. Only quality non-con win was Wisconsin and we barely squeaked by LSU at home. Then we won the BEast, got a 3 seed, and made the E8.
I'm thinking we'll be able to get a notch or 2 on the belt before BEast play starts with the upcoming tournament, UNM, and @UW remaining. Then finish a game or 2 above .500 in the #2 computer conference and we're in. Barring a rash of injuries, I ain't worried one bit.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 26, 2013, 01:25:31 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, both Derrick Wilson and Junior Cadougan are fantastic BACKUP point guards. You can definitely win with them, but it's not ideal to have to play them 25+ minutes a game.
Yeah, it was brutal when that backup PG led us to the second weekend three straight years. Definitely not ideal!!
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 26, 2013, 01:25:44 PM
Sykes is what I expected from Duane Wilson, just need to get him healthy. A week in the sun will be good for him. He was there last night.
I think you need to have more realistic thoughts about what Duane is going to do this year.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Props to D Wilson for having a decent game yesterday! However, he is still a below average D1 starting point guard and always will be. This past game was his absolute ceiling on how well he can perform. He is overmatched going to the hole and has no jump shot at all...he doesn't even look to shoot. If he was a penetrator/distributor this could be overlooked but he is none of the above. He stands at the top of the key and can't get us into our offense. Every time he scored I thought wow that was lucky! I love Marquette basketball and hope I'm wrong but I don't see this team going to the tournament with him as our starting pg :(
I've been as hard on Derrick as anyone here, and still am not sold he's a high major PG - but last nights performance offered some hope. He played against an All American and held his own. I was most pleased that he played aggressively and went at the basket a lot more than we've seen in previous games. He was able to convert off of those looks, and he also created more opportunities for his teammates to get better looks.
Completely agree that Derrick should take the open jumper/3-pointer, as long as it's only 1-2 times per half. Need to give the D at least the thought that he might shoot it.
I mean if Davante is going to be shooting the open 3, our PG should shoot the open 3! ::)
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 26, 2013, 02:01:27 PM
I think you need to have more realistic thoughts about what Duane is going to do this year.
Yep. About the best we can hope for is that he can guard a little bit and knock down a three here or there. Missing that much time can really set back a freshman's development.
The bad thing about it is that I trust Davante to hit the 3 ball at a much higher clip than Wilson. He looks scared to shoot outside of 5 ft. I figure we are going to have sub par pg play all season unless Duane somehow can make a contribution. I only hope that we don't just give the job to Derrick next year because he is a senior. I respect Derrick a lot...seems like a solid team guy/citizen/defensive specialist. Just not who we need running the point for a supposed tourney team with aspirations on big things!
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
The bad thing about it is that I trust Davante to hit the 3 ball at a much higher clip than Wilson. He looks scared to shoot outside of 5 ft. I figure we are going to have sub par pg play all season unless Duane somehow can make a contribution. I only hope that we don't just give the job to Derrick next year because he is a senior. I respect Derrick a lot...seems like a solid team guy/citizen/defensive specialist. Just not who we need running the point for a supposed tourney team with aspirations on big things!
That's not the bad thing.
The bad thing is that we continue to trash on the guy despite the fact that he is coming off of a career game. 39 min...5/9...14 points....7 assts....4 rebs... And now you are worried about how he will earn his starting job *next* year???
How about this...let's just see how the rest of this year goes.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
The bad thing about it is that I trust Davante to hit the 3 ball at a much higher clip than Wilson. He looks scared to shoot outside of 5 ft. I figure we are going to have sub par pg play all season unless Duane somehow can make a contribution. I only hope that we don't just give the job to Derrick next year because he is a senior. I respect Derrick a lot...seems like a solid team guy/citizen/defensive specialist. Just not who we need running the point for a supposed tourney team with aspirations on big things!
Rest easy.
MU will make the tourny this year.
Derrick will be the starter next year.
MU will make the tourny next year too.
Now you don't have to worry anymore. Buzz has a good handle on what he's doing. Derrick's his guy.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 02:41:08 PM
Rest easy.
MU will make the tourny this year.
Derrick will be the starter next year.
MU will make the tourny next year too.
Now you don't have to worry anymore. Buzz has a good handle on what he's doing. Derrick's his guy.
Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.
How can we be at the bottom of the standings when no teams have played a conference game yet?
I mean if you want to worry about the starting PG next year, but I am pretty sure that Guns is 100% correct that he will be there next year too.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 26, 2013, 02:37:52 PM
That's not the bad thing.
The bad thing is that we continue to trash on the guy despite the fact that he is coming off of a career game. 39 min...5/9...14 points....7 assts....4 rebs... And now you are worried about how he will earn his starting job *next* year???
How about this...let's just see how the rest of this year goes.
I'm not trashing the guy...you are correct, this was a career game for him and I applaud him. We as Marquette fans have come to expect a higher level of play from our team and he is not cut out for the job as much as I wish he was. If you are content with mediocrity than so be it. I love this board and just like to have a place to have fun discussions!
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 03:00:39 PM
I'm not trashing the guy...you are correct, this was a career game for him and I applaud him. We as Marquette fans have come to expect a higher level of play from our team and he is not cut out for the job as much as I wish he was. If you are content with mediocrity than so be it. I love this board and just like to have a place to have fun discussions!
Obviously I know that we aren't in conference play... I'm just saying we are lumped in the overall bottom of the conference's overall standings. I know it's early but would rather be on top with a big 0 in the L column :)
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 26, 2013, 01:25:31 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, both Derrick Wilson and Junior Cadougan are fantastic BACKUP point guards. You can definitely win with them, but it's not ideal to have to play them 25+ minutes a game.
The key to your comparison between the two is consistency. It's where Junior struggled the most-so hit or miss between a strong game one night and 2 points 2 assists 2 turnovers and bad defense the next. If Derrick's good games are like last night it's great-but will he have three scoreless games with an assist every ten minutes for every one of last night? The key is less of making monster games more frequent and more of upping the floor on the other nights from terrible to tolerable.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.
I don't want to get snarky... but if you want something to worry about, worry about not having a center on the roster for next season.
Don't worry about a Senior PG (and returning starter).
May your sleepless nights be fulfilled.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.
What is it like to be so wrong? Derrick may not have the "peaks" (if that what you want to call them) of Junior C., but he's a better, more consistent player and I dare say by the end of this year and going into next year he'll be considered our most indispensable player.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 26, 2013, 03:13:12 PM
What is it like to be so wrong? Derrick may not have the "peaks" (if that what you want to call them) of Junior C., but he's a better, more consistent player and I dare say by the end of this year and going into next year he'll be considered our most indispensable player.
junior could hold his defender honest...derrick cannot, and you really don't want the ball in his hands at the end of the game, which is kind of a big deal when you're talking about the pg position.
calling him indispensable doesn't have too much to do with his talent level...if chris, or davante, or jamil were the only player on our team over 6'6" they would be the most indispensable.
i get why buzz loves derrick...by all accounts he is a great kid, but his ceiling is probably that of junior's. if junior would have redshirted his first year, derrick would be seeing less than 15 min. a game this year...and i don't think junior played a level that i would expect mu to be able to have a pg play.
that said, derrick played much better. i think he actually held his defender a little more honest as the game went on because he drove to the hoop so strong that playing too far off allowed him hit the defender at full speed, and perhaps he can find a little more confidence at the line. his success will be tied to mu's success more so than anyone else, and he's an easy kid to cheer for.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 26, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
junior could hold his defender honest...derrick cannot, and you really don't want the ball in his hands at the end of the game, which is kind of a big deal when you're talking about the pg position.
calling him indispensable doesn't have too much to do with his talent level...if chris, or davante, or jamil were the only player on our team over 6'6" they would be the most indispensable.
i get why buzz loves derrick...by all accounts he is a great kid, but his ceiling is probably that of junior's. if junior would have redshirted his first year, derrick would be seeing less than 15 min. a game this year...and i don't think junior played a level that i would expect mu to be able to have a pg play.
that said, derrick played much better. i think he actually held his defender a little more honest as the game went on because he drove to the hoop so strong that playing too far off allowed him hit the defender at full speed, and perhaps he can find a little more confidence at the line. his success will be tied to mu's success more so than anyone else, and he's an easy kid to cheer for.
A defensive, pass-first PG who can get 6pts, 5ast. and 4 rebounds (and not turn the ball over) has more value than we think.
On the list of things to worry about, people should move derrick far down the list.
Quote from: mubuzz on November 26, 2013, 03:04:07 PM
Obviously I know that we aren't in conference play... I'm just saying we are lumped in the overall bottom of the conference's overall standings. I know it's early but would rather be on top with a big 0 in the L column :)
Oh Lord, won't you buy me, a Mercedes-Benz.
Quote from: Marquette_g on November 26, 2013, 11:37:33 AM
While a big fan of Buzz, I've grown tired of his move of choosing select quotes or comments from twitter, message boards, etc and then extrapolating them to the entire fan base.
Certainly there are Derrick Wilson critics, but based on reading a number of threads there seem to be far more defenders of him than critics.
You can't always be the victim.
Michael Jordan made a career of this, and Phil Jackson was right there with him.
Michael was always talking about "doubters" and "naysayers," yet by the time he was in his late 20s, who was doubting him or the Bulls? Nobody. But Michael liked to set up a personal strawman. It helped motivate him. And Jackson did it on a team-wide basis: "Did you hear what 'people' are saying about us?"
It's the oldest motivational trick in the book. And Buzz reads from the same book. What difference does it make?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 12:02:42 PM
In Derrick's case, I don't think it's disingenuous.
There were a lot of "experts" on the internet the last couple of weeks who were highly critical of DW.
And there also many "experts," also on the Internet, who were very supportive of DW. Your point being?
Quote from: slingkong on December 02, 2013, 12:40:23 PM
And there also many "experts," also on the Internet, who were very supportive of DW. Your point being?
My point is that Buzz has used select quotes from media members or digital media (twitter, message boards etc.) to create an "US vs THE WORLD" scenario for the players.
In some cases, it can be disingenuous (who didn't love Wes Matthews?), but in other cases, it can be legit. There are a lot of internet critics of Derrick, even when he plays well. Same could be said for Vander last year.
It's a common motivational tool. People use it because it works.
HOWEVER, it can be hard to constantly create scenarios where you are the underdog.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 02, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
My point is that Buzz has used select quotes from media members or digital media (twitter, message boards etc.) to create an "US vs THE WORLD" scenario for the players.
In some cases, it can be disingenuous (who didn't love Wes Matthews?), but in other cases, it can be legit. There are a lot of internet critics of Derrick, even when he plays well. Same could be said for Vander last year.
It's a common motivational tool. People use it because it works.
HOWEVER, it can be hard to constantly create scenarios where you are the underdog.
The better players on this team. Dont start or play legitimate minutes. Its baffling. Thomas and wilson play like 70 minutes a game and thats out of control based off what they produce. This team is looking NIT bound. If things dont change. Soon.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 02, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
In some cases, it can be disingenuous (who didn't love Wes Matthews?), but in other cases, it can be legit.
According to Wesley, Tom Crean - thanked Buzz for taking the shackles off that TC made him wear for 3 years. Also, the press and the fans in Madison were tough on him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 03, 2013, 02:22:59 PM
According to Wesley, Tom Crean - thanked Buzz for taking the shackles off that TC made him wear for 3 years. Also, the press and the fans in Madison were tough on him.
Yea, that's fair.
I'm not against it as a motivational tactic, just saying that sometimes it gets exaggerated for effect. Jordan was the most famous example.
Quote from: Nevada233 on December 03, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
The better players on this team. Dont start or play legitimate minutes. Its baffling. Thomas and wilson play like 70 minutes a game and thats out of control based off what they produce. This team is looking NIT bound. If things dont change. Soon.
First of all, they combine for 55.5 mpg, which is radically different than 70 mpg. Saying they average 35 mpg is just silly. Only Jerel McNeal has averaged that much in Buzz's tenure (exactly 35 mpg) and only 2 players averaged 34 or more (Butler twice and Matthews).
Second, arguing that there is a better point guard on this team than Wilson is simply silly. I love Dawson's potential, but he doesn't remotely compare to what Wilson is bringing right now. Maybe as a junior he'll be better than DeWil is now, but right now, he's not close defensively or offensively.
If Jake needs to play less, then other players need to pay attention to defense more. Now that he's hitting some shots, he's becoming serviceable. Not ideal, not Vander, but serviceable. I think 25 mpg is more than ideally we'd like to see him, but I have no problem with him being a 15-20 mpg guy for this team going forward. If either JJJ or Burton figure it out on the back end they may cut into those minutes, but if they don't, I expect it's more likely they will lose minutes to Thomas and Mayo going forward than it is Jake will lose minutes to anyone.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
I think Derrick can be pretty good for about 25min. per night.
Are you sure it's 25 minutes? Why not 23? Or 28?
Reminds me of Bill Gates testimony before Congress on H1B Visas where he challenged how they came up with the annual number of technical visas.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
First of all, they combine for 55.5 mpg, which is radically different than 70 mpg. Saying they average 35 mpg is just silly. Only Jerel McNeal has averaged that much in Buzz's tenure (exactly 35 mpg) and only 2 players averaged 34 or more (Butler twice and Matthews).
Second, arguing that there is a better point guard on this team than Wilson is simply silly. I love Dawson's potential, but he doesn't remotely compare to what Wilson is bringing right now. Maybe as a junior he'll be better than DeWil is now, but right now, he's not close defensively or offensively.
If Jake needs to play less, then other players need to pay attention to defense more. Now that he's hitting some shots, he's becoming serviceable. Not ideal, not Vander, but serviceable. I think 25 mpg is more than ideally we'd like to see him, but I have no problem with him being a 15-20 mpg guy for this team going forward. If either JJJ or Burton figure it out on the back end they may cut into those minutes, but if they don't, I expect it's more likely they will lose minutes to Thomas and Mayo going forward than it is Jake will lose minutes to anyone.
Third, learn how to use sentences and punctuation properly. Trying to read your drivel is difficult!
FIFY.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
First of all, they combine for 55.5 mpg, which is radically different than 70 mpg. Saying they average 35 mpg is just silly. Only Jerel McNeal has averaged that much in Buzz's tenure (exactly 35 mpg) and only 2 players averaged 34 or more (Butler twice and Matthews).
Second, arguing that there is a better point guard on this team than Wilson is simply silly. I love Dawson's potential, but he doesn't remotely compare to what Wilson is bringing right now. Maybe as a junior he'll be better than DeWil is now, but right now, he's not close defensively or offensively.
If Jake needs to play less, then other players need to pay attention to defense more. Now that he's hitting some shots, he's becoming serviceable. Not ideal, not Vander, but serviceable. I think 25 mpg is more than ideally we'd like to see him, but I have no problem with him being a 15-20 mpg guy for this team going forward. If either JJJ or Burton figure it out on the back end they may cut into those minutes, but if they don't, I expect it's more likely they will lose minutes to Thomas and Mayo going forward than it is Jake will lose minutes to anyone.
Great points by all. +1