Derrick Wilson

[Wojo'sMojo]

Rest easy.

You're wrong.

We shall see... I love Marquette hoops and its just troubling to watch him lead this team. I left the OSU game with over 5 minutes left cause I couldn't stomach watching him run the show anymore. I honestly hope I am dead wrong about him but he is what he is...tbh I would rather have Sykes from UWGB be our starting pg.

[Aughnanure]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, both Derrick Wilson and Junior Cadougan are fantastic BACKUP point guards. You can definitely win with them, but it's not ideal to have to play them 25+ minutes a game.

[BCHoopster]

We shall see... I love Marquette hoops and its just troubling to watch him lead this team. I left the OSU game with over 5 minutes left cause I couldn't stomach watching him run the show anymore. I honestly hope I am dead wrong about him but he is what he is...tbh I would rather have Sykes from UWGB be our starting pg.

Sykes is what I expected from Duane Wilson, just need to get him healthy.  A week in the sun will be good for him.  He was there last night.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

We shall see... I love Marquette hoops and its just troubling to watch him lead this team. I left the OSU game with over 5 minutes left cause I couldn't stomach watching him run the show anymore. I honestly hope I am dead wrong about him but he is what he is...tbh I would rather have Sykes from UWGB be our starting pg.

I'll be the first to admit that there are better PGs is college basketball.

Derrick is a role player, and is effective in a specific role.

When the rest of the team executes, Derrick is just fine. If you expect Derrick to "takeover", then you'll be disappointed.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Rest easy.

You're wrong.

Haha seriously. Look at the '10-'11 team. 0-4 in quality non-conference games. 9-9 in conference. Took a couple wins in the BET to get us in as an 11, but we were in nonetheless and made the S16.

Last year we probably would have lost the Ohio St. boat game had it been played, we lost a very similar game to Butler as we just lost to ASU, got throttled by Florida, and then went to UWGB and lost. Only quality non-con win was Wisconsin and we barely squeaked by LSU at home. Then we won the BEast, got a 3 seed, and made the E8.


I'm thinking we'll be able to get a notch or 2 on the belt before BEast play starts with the upcoming tournament, UNM, and @UW remaining. Then finish a game or 2 above .500 in the #2 computer conference and we're in. Barring a rash of injuries, I ain't worried one bit.

[murara1994]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, both Derrick Wilson and Junior Cadougan are fantastic BACKUP point guards. You can definitely win with them, but it's not ideal to have to play them 25+ minutes a game.

Yeah, it was brutal when that backup PG led us to the second weekend three straight years.  Definitely not ideal!!

[GGGG]

Sykes is what I expected from Duane Wilson, just need to get him healthy.  A week in the sun will be good for him.  He was there last night.

I think you need to have more realistic thoughts about what Duane is going to do this year.

[NersEllenson]

Props to D Wilson for having a decent game yesterday! However, he is still a below average D1 starting point guard and always will be. This past game was his absolute ceiling on how well he can perform. He is overmatched going to the hole and has no jump shot at all...he doesn't even look to shoot. If he was a penetrator/distributor this could be overlooked but he is none of the above. He stands at the top of the key and can't get us into our offense. Every time he scored I thought wow that was lucky! I love Marquette basketball and hope I'm wrong but I don't see this team going to the tournament with him as our starting pg

I've been as hard on Derrick as anyone here, and still am not sold he's a high major PG - but last nights performance offered some hope.  He played against an All American and held his own.  I was most pleased that he played aggressively and went at the basket a lot more than we've seen in previous games.  He was able to convert off of those looks, and he also created more opportunities for his teammates to get better looks.

[MarsupialMadness]

Completely agree that Derrick should take the open jumper/3-pointer, as long as it's only 1-2 times per half.  Need to give the D at least the thought that he might shoot it.

I mean if Davante is going to be shooting the open 3, our PG should shoot the open 3! 

[MUfan12]

I think you need to have more realistic thoughts about what Duane is going to do this year.

Yep. About the best we can hope for is that he can guard a little bit and knock down a three here or there. Missing that much time can really set back a freshman's development.

[Wojo'sMojo]

The bad thing about it is that I trust Davante to hit the 3 ball at a much higher clip than Wilson. He looks scared to shoot outside of 5 ft. I figure we are going to have sub par pg play all season unless Duane somehow can make a contribution. I only hope that we don't just give the job to Derrick next year because he is a senior. I respect Derrick a lot...seems like a solid team guy/citizen/defensive specialist. Just not who we need running the point for a supposed tourney team with aspirations on big things!

[GGGG]

The bad thing about it is that I trust Davante to hit the 3 ball at a much higher clip than Wilson. He looks scared to shoot outside of 5 ft. I figure we are going to have sub par pg play all season unless Duane somehow can make a contribution. I only hope that we don't just give the job to Derrick next year because he is a senior. I respect Derrick a lot...seems like a solid team guy/citizen/defensive specialist. Just not who we need running the point for a supposed tourney team with aspirations on big things!

That's not the bad thing.

The bad thing is that we continue to trash on the guy despite the fact that he is coming off of a career game.  39 min...5/9...14 points....7 assts....4 rebs...  And now you are worried about how he will earn his starting job *next* year???

How about this...let's just see how the rest of this year goes.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The bad thing about it is that I trust Davante to hit the 3 ball at a much higher clip than Wilson. He looks scared to shoot outside of 5 ft. I figure we are going to have sub par pg play all season unless Duane somehow can make a contribution. I only hope that we don't just give the job to Derrick next year because he is a senior. I respect Derrick a lot...seems like a solid team guy/citizen/defensive specialist. Just not who we need running the point for a supposed tourney team with aspirations on big things!

Rest easy.

MU will make the tourny this year.

Derrick will be the starter next year.

MU will make the tourny next year too.

Now you don't have to worry anymore. Buzz has a good handle on what he's doing. Derrick's his guy.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Rest easy.

MU will make the tourny this year.

Derrick will be the starter next year.

MU will make the tourny next year too.

Now you don't have to worry anymore. Buzz has a good handle on what he's doing. Derrick's his guy.

Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.

[GGGG]

Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.

How can we be at the bottom of the standings when no teams have played a conference game yet?

I mean if you want to worry about the starting PG next year, but I am pretty sure that Guns is 100% correct that he will be there next year too.

[Wojo'sMojo]

That's not the bad thing.

The bad thing is that we continue to trash on the guy despite the fact that he is coming off of a career game.  39 min...5/9...14 points....7 assts....4 rebs...  And now you are worried about how he will earn his starting job *next* year???

How about this...let's just see how the rest of this year goes.

I'm not trashing the guy...you are correct, this was a career game for him and I applaud him. We as Marquette fans have come to expect a higher level of play from our team and he is not cut out for the job as much as I wish he was. If you are content with mediocrity than so be it. I love this board and just like to have a place to have fun discussions!

[Wojo'sMojo]

I'm not trashing the guy...you are correct, this was a career game for him and I applaud him. We as Marquette fans have come to expect a higher level of play from our team and he is not cut out for the job as much as I wish he was. If you are content with mediocrity than so be it. I love this board and just like to have a place to have fun discussions!

Obviously I know that we aren't in conference play... I'm just saying we are lumped in the overall bottom of the conference's overall standings. I know it's early but would rather be on top with a big 0 in the L column

[chapman]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, both Derrick Wilson and Junior Cadougan are fantastic BACKUP point guards. You can definitely win with them, but it's not ideal to have to play them 25+ minutes a game.

The key to your comparison between the two is consistency.  It's where Junior struggled the most-so hit or miss between a strong game one night and 2 points 2 assists 2 turnovers and bad defense the next.  If Derrick's good games are like last night it's great-but will he have three scoreless games with an assist every ten minutes for every one of last night?  The key is less of making monster games more frequent and more of upping the floor on the other nights from terrible to tolerable.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.

I don't want to get snarky... but if you want something to worry about, worry about not having a center on the roster for next season.

Don't worry about a Senior PG (and returning starter).

May your sleepless nights be fulfilled.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Oh I am very worried...that's what happens when you look at the standings in our new conference and see us sitting on the bottom, even though the season is still early. I don't want to be lumped in with the DePaul's of the world, we are better than that! I think Buzz is the best thing to happen to Marquette bball in very long time and I think he is a top ten coach. However it seems like he is almost loyal to a fault and if Derrick Wilson is the starting pg next year we have serious issues.

What is it like to be so wrong? Derrick may not have the "peaks" (if that what you want to call them) of Junior C., but he's a better, more consistent player and I dare say by the end of this year and going into next year he'll be considered our most indispensable player.

[avid1010]

What is it like to be so wrong? Derrick may not have the "peaks" (if that what you want to call them) of Junior C., but he's a better, more consistent player and I dare say by the end of this year and going into next year he'll be considered our most indispensable player.

junior could hold his defender honest...derrick cannot, and you really don't want the ball in his hands at the end of the game, which is kind of a big deal when you're talking about the pg position.  

calling him indispensable doesn't have too much to do with his talent level...if chris, or davante, or jamil were the only player on our team over 6'6" they would be the most indispensable.  

i get why buzz loves derrick...by all accounts he is a great kid, but his ceiling is probably that of junior's.  if junior would have redshirted his first year, derrick would be seeing less than 15 min. a game this year...and i don't think junior played a level that i would expect mu to be able to have a pg play.  

that said, derrick played much better.  i think he actually held his defender a little more honest as the game went on because he drove to the hoop so strong that playing too far off allowed him hit the defender at full speed, and perhaps he can find a little more confidence at the line.  his success will be tied to mu's success more so than anyone else, and he's an easy kid to cheer for. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

junior could hold his defender honest...derrick cannot, and you really don't want the ball in his hands at the end of the game, which is kind of a big deal when you're talking about the pg position.  

calling him indispensable doesn't have too much to do with his talent level...if chris, or davante, or jamil were the only player on our team over 6'6" they would be the most indispensable.  

i get why buzz loves derrick...by all accounts he is a great kid, but his ceiling is probably that of junior's.  if junior would have redshirted his first year, derrick would be seeing less than 15 min. a game this year...and i don't think junior played a level that i would expect mu to be able to have a pg play.  

that said, derrick played much better.  i think he actually held his defender a little more honest as the game went on because he drove to the hoop so strong that playing too far off allowed him hit the defender at full speed, and perhaps he can find a little more confidence at the line.  his success will be tied to mu's success more so than anyone else, and he's an easy kid to cheer for. 

A defensive, pass-first PG who can get 6pts, 5ast. and 4 rebounds (and not turn the ball over) has more value than we think.

On the list of things to worry about, people should move derrick far down the list.

[ATWizJr]

Obviously I know that we aren't in conference play... I'm just saying we are lumped in the overall bottom of the conference's overall standings. I know it's early but would rather be on top with a big 0 in the L column

Oh Lord, won't you buy me, a Mercedes-Benz.

[MU82]

While a big fan of Buzz, I've grown tired of his move of choosing select quotes or comments from twitter, message boards, etc and then extrapolating them to the entire fan base.

Certainly there are Derrick Wilson critics, but based on reading a number of threads there seem to be far more defenders of him than critics. 

You can't always be the victim.

Michael Jordan made a career of this, and Phil Jackson was right there with him.

Michael was always talking about "doubters" and "naysayers," yet by the time he was in his late 20s, who was doubting him or the Bulls? Nobody. But Michael liked to set up a personal strawman. It helped motivate him. And Jackson did it on a team-wide basis: "Did you hear what 'people' are saying about us?"

It's the oldest motivational trick in the book. And Buzz reads from the same book. What difference does it make?

[slingkong]

In Derrick's case, I don't think it's disingenuous.

There were a lot of "experts" on the internet the last couple of weeks who were highly critical of DW.

And there also many "experts," also on the Internet, who were very supportive of DW. Your point being?