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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: ChicosBailBonds on September 07, 2013, 11:54:14 AM
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I know we're out, but I wouldn't mind seeing him to commit to Duke this weekend.
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Not me. I'd rather keep him in the BE, if possible. Is Gtown still on his list?
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Won't happen. He visited Florida last week and has trips planned to Tennessee, Michigan St., and lastly will visit UCLA. In addition, he may travel to Madison in Oct. for a football game. No plans to attend MM anywhere.
Kevon plans to announce his school choice at a presser @ Hamilton HS at the end of Oct.
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Not me. I'd rather keep him in the BE, if possible. Is Gtown still on his list?
Negative
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I know we're out, but I wouldn't mind seeing him to commit to Duke this weekend.
Agreed. Also, given his finalists, if I were him I'd also choose Duke.
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Smart money is on Duke and UW. Just sayin'.
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Smart money is on Duke and UW. Just sayin'.
I would agree, that is why I hope it is Duke
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It's been Duke for the past year. I not buying the crap UW smokescreen for Looney any more than I did for JPT.
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It's been Duke for the past year. I not buying the crap UW smokescreen for Looney any more than I did for JPT.
Believe it, no smokescreen.
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Believe it, no smokescreen.
Yeah, this has a much different vibe than JPT.
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Some of you dudes would look a gift horse in the mouth. When y'all gonna believe? Put one hand on your keyboard and the other over your heart and say, "amen bro."
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UW over Duke? That would be insane.
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UW over Duke? That would be insane.
No kidding, in my opinion Duke is superior to UW in all categories except for university size.
edit: Oh yeah and football.
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Some of you dudes would look a gift horse in the mouth. When y'all gonna believe? Put one hand on your keyboard and the other over your heart and say, "amen bro."
No one wants to play for grandpas.....describes both Coach Ryan and Coach K.
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Believe it, no smokescreen.
I don't. Never have. I won't until I see him in a Badger uniform.
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I don't. Never have. I won't until I see him in a Badger uniform.
Even if he chooses Duke, that doesn't mean he didn't seriously consider Wisconsin.
What evidence do you have that it is simply a smoke screen? I mean we have a poster here who knows the family, who doesn't have a history of exaggerating anything with regards to recruiting, who insists otherwise....and you have what exactly???
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Even if he chooses Duke, that doesn't mean he didn't seriously consider Wisconsin.
What evidence do you have that it is simply a smoke screen? I mean we have a poster here who knows the family, who doesn't have a history of exaggerating anything with regards to recruiting, who insists otherwise....and you have what exactly???
Blue and gold glasses as always.
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UW over Duke? That would be insane.
Not if he wants to play close to home. You guys gotta stop acting that players that choose UW are only doing so because they are drinking the Kool Aid.
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No one wants to play for grandpas.....describes both Coach Ryan and Coach K.
Huh? I'm confused. Where did this come from?
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Huh? I'm confused. Where did this come from?
A thread from a few days ago about Bo Ryan being too old, a grandpa, etc.
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Not if he wants to play close to home. You guys gotta stop acting that players that choose UW are only doing so because they are drinking the Kool Aid.
I would guess this is the reason he is considering UW, far enough away from home to not be in his backyard, but close enough to allow people to come watch him play.
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A thread from a few days ago about Bo Ryan being too old, a grandpa, etc.
Oh. But what did that have to do with what people were saying in this thread?
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Oh. But what did that have to do with what people were saying in this thread?
You basically just pulled the Landon Donovan sunglasses move on Chicos...baiting him with the Huh, I'm confused question, that elicited the response that had nothing to do with the current thread. Well played Jesmu84.
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Oh. But what did that have to do with what people were saying in this thread?
Not hard....the kid is considering UW (despite people here not understanding why anyone would want to play for Grandpa) as stated by 4ever....in this thread
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Not hard....the kid is considering UW (despite people here not understanding why anyone would want to play for Grandpa) as stated by 4ever....in this thread
So you took an ancillary argument that you were involved with, from another thread, and inserted it here. Where it wasn't needed, didn't bring anything to the table and almost assuredly will result in more arguing and sidetracking. And as smart as you appear - that's a compliment, ps - you knew all of that when you posted it. So thanks.
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Considering UW, but not MU. Hmmmm.....we probably gave up on him because we were looking to close on a switchable.
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Considering UW, but not MU. Hmmmm.....we probably gave up on him because we were looking to close on a switchable.
Looney is a switchable. And we would have taken him in a second. But he doesn't want to come here.
But you know all of that and are just trying to be a dick. Are you going on haitus again anytime soon?
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Considering UW, but not MU. Hmmmm.....we probably gave up on him because we were looking to close on a switchable.
So, in your mind Kevon is an inside player--that figures.
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Looney is a switchable. And we would have taken him in a second. But he doesn't want to come here.
But you know all of that and are just trying to be a dick. Are you going on haitus again anytime soon?
Thank you for your low information name calling. When you cannot argue the facts thats what you resort to--pounding the table and denigration. I do not consider a 6'10" guy a switchable--you do. I am referring to the 6'3" to 6'6" switchables. Speaking of things--stay classy, Skink. We all know that your opinions are the only ones that matter.
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So, in your mind Kevon is an inside player--that figures.
Yeah, it figures. You figure he will play Guard.
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Thank you for your low information name calling. When you cannot argue the facts thats what you resort to--pounding the table and denigration. I do not consider a 6'10" guy a switchable--you do. I am referring to the 6'3" to 6'6" switchables. Speaking of things--stay classy, Skink. We all know that your opinions are the only ones that matter.
Yeah Kevin Durant is the best big/post in the NBA
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Thank you for your low information name calling. When you cannot argue the facts thats what you resort to--pounding the table and denigration. I do not consider a 6'10" guy a switchable--you do. I am referring to the 6'3" to 6'6" switchables. Speaking of things--stay classy, Skink. We all know that your opinions are the only ones that matter.
He is a prototypical switchable. You don't understand what a switchable is.
All you do is look at height to determine what a player is and how he plays. Looney is 6'8". He is not a "big" by any stretch. He plays outside, inside, etc. He frankly would fit Buzz's offense perfectly.
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He is a prototypical switchable. You don't understand what a switchable is.
All you do is look at height to determine what a player is and how he plays. Looney is 6'8". He is not a "big" by any stretch. He plays outside, inside, etc. He frankly would fit Buzz's offense perfectly.
Yeah. Same size as Jamil Wilson. So thank God we have Jamil Wilson to bang down low, since Davante is only truly 6'7" tops. Can't wait to watch Davante on the wing all year as a switchable.
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So you took an ancillary argument that you were involved with, from another thread, and inserted it here. Where it wasn't needed, didn't bring anything to the table and almost assuredly will result in more arguing and sidetracking. And as smart as you appear - that's a compliment, ps - you knew all of that when you posted it. So thanks.
1) There are a lot of people here that truly truly are incapable of understanding that players want to play for certain coaches, even if they are 65 years old...a grandpa....a guy who can't dance very well. As 4ever stated, some people just can't believe it.
2) Are you going to play Bobby Brady hall monitor for every thread where someone references something from a different thread? You're going to be a busy man....or is your fauxrage going to be selective to one or two posters?
So thanks.
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1) There are a lot of people here that truly truly are incapable of understanding that players want to play for certain coaches, even if they are 65 years old...a grandpa....a guy who can't dance very well. As 4ever stated, some people just can't believe it.
Wrong. I don't think anyone here (let alone "a lot of people") is "incapable of understanding" that players want to play for old coaches - especially if we're talking Coach K. He gets 5 star guys every year. Maybe Bo can land Looney and/or Stone. Anything's possible, but I'll bet no. How much would you like to wager?
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1) There are a lot of people here that truly truly are incapable of understanding that players want to play for certain coaches, even if they are 65 years old...a grandpa....a guy who can't dance very well. As 4ever stated, some people just can't believe it.
2) Are you going to play Bobby Brady hall monitor for every thread where someone references something from a different thread? You're going to be a busy man....or is your fauxrage going to be selective to one or two posters?
So thanks.
Awwww... You are a such a victim.
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2) Are you going to play Bobby Brady hall monitor for every thread where someone references something from a different thread? You're going to be a busy man....or is your fauxrage going to be selective to one or two posters?
So thanks.
You always talk about how you're stunned/annoyed/saddened by the hypocrisy of the board/some posters/whomever. You know what annoys me? When people, especially intelligent people who know exactly what they're doing, make these passive-aggressive posts bringing up other/unrelated/old topics just to try and stir the pot and start more arguments. If you can point out "hypocrisy" all the time, why am I not allowed to point out this?
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Wrong. I don't think anyone here (let alone "a lot of people") is "incapable of understanding" that players want to play for old coaches - especially if we're talking Coach K. He gets 5 star guys every year. Maybe Bo can land Looney and/or Stone. Anything's possible, but I'll bet no. How much would you like to wager?
Coach K--11 final fours and 4 titles..................Coach Ryan 0 final fours. The only thing similar between these two is there age.
Save the D3 talk. No one said Coach Cryin isnt a good coach--the problem Chicos is putting the two of these guys under the same umbrella when they are not even in the same universe.
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You always talk about how you're stunned/annoyed/saddened by the hypocrisy of the board/some posters/whomever. You know what annoys me? When people, especially intelligent people who know exactly what they're doing, make these passive-aggressive posts bringing up other/unrelated/old topics just to try and stir the pot and start more arguments. If you can point out "hypocrisy" all the time, why am I not allowed to point out this?
Sad thing is, you knows what he's doing and you still take the bait! Is it more your fault for responding?
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Sad thing is, you knows what he's doing and you still take the bait! Is it more your fault for responding?
Yea. It's my fault he posted that... ::)
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I'm gonna try to be the voice of reason and set the record straight. Here are the facts. Don't ax me how I know them or question the accuracy. Suffice it to say, no one's source is better than mine.
As early as two years ago, both Kevon and his family felt he was "ready" to go away to school. This was well known. They never said " out of state." Buzz was involved. Kevon was invited to open gym, came to games, went to MM etc. Then, Buzz "quit coming around." Probably decided he wouldn't be able to convince him of the merits of staying in town and turned his attention to other recruits. And that's ok. I get that. Yet, from what is known, I feel, for several reasons, Buzz pulled the plug far too early on Kevon's recruitment. But's that's his business and not mine. As I've said before, this kid is a special talent, and, I believe, an even better person. Would have loved to see him in a Warriors' uniform.
At this point in time, Kevon says he doesn't have his mind made up and I believe him. That's the purpose in taking all his visits. His time table is to announce by the end of October. Here are some undeniable facts: Coach K made the best presentation when selling Duke. BTW, Coach K is talkin' starting minutes, not pine time. Bo has endeared himself to the entire family. He is funny and extremely charming. Both Kevon and Diamond Stone were in Madison at practice a couple of Sundays ago prior to the Badgers leaving for Canada. Bo has said if Kevon chooses Madison, "they'll cut the nets down." Indeed, a front court of Dekker, Looney, and Stone could make that possible.
His parents intend to attend as many of Kevon's college games as possible. They will travel and do what is necessary. Remember this is their youngest child and understandably, a tremendous source of pride. Florida and UCLA are farther to travel and the visits to those schools would have to be extraordinary to seal the deal. MSU is in play, but, I think to a lesser extent. Coach Martin at Tennessee has been in on Kevon for a long time and there is family in the area and his father played high school ball in the state. They too, are in play.
My take:
1. Duke
2. Wisconsin
3. UT
4. MSU
5. Florida
6.UCLA
But, anything could happen, so who knows.-----deal with it.
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I'm gonna try to be the voice of reason and set the record straight. Here are the facts. Don't ax me how I know them or question the accuracy. Suffice it to say, no one's source is better than mine.
As early as two years ago, both Kevon and his family felt he was "ready" to go away to school. This was well known. They never said " out of state." Buzz was involved. Kevon was invited to open gym, came to games, went to MM etc. Then, Buzz "quit coming around." Probably decided he wouldn't be able to convince him of the merits of staying in town and turned his attention to other recruits. And that's ok. I get that. Yet, from what is known, I feel, for several reasons, Buzz pulled the plug far too early on Kevon's recruitment. But's that's his business and not mine. As I've said before, this kid is a special talent, and, I believe, an even better person. Would have loved to see him in a Warriors' uniform.
4ever - I'm a big fan of yours and have no doubt you're speaking the truth as Kevon now sees it. That said, the chance that Buzz would quit recruiting a local who is a good student, great player and nice kid because Kevon or someone in his family indicated he would be ok with the possibility of leaving Milwaukee for college doesn't make sense. Buzz is a bulldog and doesn't give up easily. Whether they're admitting it or not, somebody connected to Kevon told Buzz to stop wasting his time and Buzz believed him.
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It's a little odd to me as well. Don't know any more about the particulars and at this point I've chosen not to press the issue; counter productive. Bottom line is Looney will be fine, MU will be fine.
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It's a little odd to me as well. Don't know any more about the particulars and at this point I've chosen not to press the issue; counter productive. Bottom line is Looney will be fine, MU will be fine.
Thanks for the info.
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The oddest part, and maybe indicative of the situation, is that Tom Diener left Hamilton and a real good chance of another state championship with Looney. Most hs coaches would trade their left one for that chance. Odd part of an odd situation.
It's a little odd to me as well. Don't know any more about the particulars and at this point I've chosen not to press the issue; counter productive. Bottom line is Looney will be fine, MU will be fine.
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I'm gonna try to be the voice of reason and set the record straight. Here are the facts. Don't ax me how I know them or question the accuracy. Suffice it to say, no one's source is better than mine.
As early as two years ago, both Kevon and his family felt he was "ready" to go away to school. This was well known. They never said " out of state." Buzz was involved. Kevon was invited to open gym, came to games, went to MM etc. Then, Buzz "quit coming around." Probably decided he wouldn't be able to convince him of the merits of staying in town and turned his attention to other recruits. And that's ok. I get that. Yet, from what is known, I feel, for several reasons, Buzz pulled the plug far too early on Kevon's recruitment. But's that's his business and not mine. As I've said before, this kid is a special talent, and, I believe, an even better person. Would have loved to see him in a Warriors' uniform.
At this point in time, Kevon says he doesn't have his mind made up and I believe him. That's the purpose in taking all his visits. His time table is to announce by the end of October. Here are some undeniable facts: Coach K made the best presentation when selling Duke. BTW, Coach K is talkin' starting minutes, not pine time. Bo has endeared himself to the entire family. He is funny and extremely charming. Both Kevon and Diamond Stone were in Madison at practice a couple of Sundays ago prior to the Badgers leaving for Canada. Bo has said if Kevon chooses Madison, "they'll cut the nets down." Indeed, a front court of Dekker, Looney, and Stone could make that possible.
His parents intend to attend as many of Kevon's college games as possible. They will travel and do what is necessary. Remember this is their youngest child and understandably, a tremendous source of pride. Florida and UCLA are farther to travel and the visits to those schools would have to be extraordinary to seal the deal. MSU is in play, but, I think to a lesser extent. Coach Martin at Tennessee has been in on Kevon for a long time and there is family in the area and his father played high school ball in the state. They too, are in play.
My take:
1. Duke
2. Wisconsin
3. UT
4. MSU
5. Florida
6.UCLA
But, anything could happen, so who knows.-----deal with it.
I'm not doubting that you are closer to the situation than any of us, I just feel the recruitment is Duke and schools X, Y, and Z. But when you say you don't know why Buzz pulled the plug early, your own comments from a thread back in Janurary (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=35598.0) indicated Marquette didn't have a chance. No, you didn't say it verbatim, but you made it clear that Marquette was the longest of long shots and being local would be a bane and not a boon. A few months later, when asked if UW had a chance, you said (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38889.25) that the family liked Bo but that once Duke offered it was "game, set, match."
Comments like that from someone admittedly close to the situation are why I have absolutely zero belief he will end up at Wisconsin and feel that Buzz was completely right to back off on this recruitment early, as he did with Tokoto, rather than committing resources to watching a kid he knew wouldn't be coming. Maybe he's changed his mind since earlier this year when you indicated on multiple occasions that the Duke offer was the one that effectively ended his recruitment.
If he ends up at UW, so be it. I have no fear of a Dekker/Looney/Stone combo because I don't believe they will ever all play together. I don't see Dekker ever being a senior at UW or Looney being a sophomore anywhere. But regardless, I put stock in Looney's past comments of wanting to play in an up-tempo system, the constant reminders we had from one poster that he wanted to go away to school, and the seemingly kismet fit that Duke is for Looney as a player in my belief that there is as good a chance he ends up at UW as he does at UIC.
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UIC got in on Looney too late. ;)
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No one wants to play for grandpas.....describes both Coach Ryan and Coach K.
A grandpa that has won multiple NCAA championships and multiple Olympic golds. I'd play for him if he was coaching from a rocker.
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A grandpa that has won multiple NCAA championships and multiple Olympic golds. I'd play for him if he was coaching from a rocker.
So would I...so would most people with a head on their shoulders.
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A grandpa that has won multiple NCAA championships and multiple Olympic golds. I'd play for him if he was coaching from a rocker.
Here's the statline that may be even more important to Looney: In the past 30 years, Duke has had 25 first round draft picks, 18 of those in the lottery.
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Thank you for your low information name calling. When you cannot argue the facts thats what you resort to--pounding the table and denigration. I do not consider a 6'10" guy a switchable--you do. I am referring to the 6'3" to 6'6" switchables. Speaking of things--stay classy, Skink. We all know that your opinions are the only ones that matter.
Back to Looney.... Buzz considers Switchables to be players who can play multiple positions and not be limited to "oh he's 6"10 so he has to play inside". Hence the term switchable. If you have ever seen Looney play, I don't know how you don't consider him a switchable.
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The oddest part, and maybe indicative of the situation, is that Tom Diener left Hamilton and a real good chance of another state championship with Looney. Most hs coaches would trade their left one for that chance. Odd part of an odd situation.
Not odd at all. Deiner went to Cedarburg to set the table for his son John, so that he can coach him during high school. And I would argue that there are more than a handful of teams that could beat Hamilton with Looney. He's just one guy. Germantown and Brookfield Central come to mind.
Back to Looney.... Buzz considers Switchables to be players who can play multiple positions and not be limited to "oh he's 6"10 so he has to play inside". Hence the term switchable. If you have ever seen Looney play, I don't know how you don't consider him a switchable.
Seen him play many times. Looney is the definition of a switchable.
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I just can't get over Coach Cryin's record developing NBA talent. Why would a talent like Looney even consider UW?
I know for many instate kids, UW is their one and only choice, but Looney, really?
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I just can't get over Coach Cryin's record developing NBA talent. Why would a talent like Looney even consider UW?
Maybe he sees guys like Leuer and Stiemsma earning NBA paychecks and feels that Bo ins't that much of a hinderence.
Plus, I suspect that UW's new strength and conditioning coach Erik Helland, arriving after 24 years with the Chicago Bulls, will be a big attraction to players aiming for the NBA.
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Looney's visit and words about Duke and UW-madison, among others
http://ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=1584
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I think Looney wants to coast to the league. Buzz isn't going to let anyone coast, and that could very well be a turn-off.
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Looney's visit and words about Duke and UW-madison, among others
http://ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=1584
No, I did not write this article.
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I think Looney wants to coast to the league. Buzz isn't going to let anyone coast, and that could very well be a turn-off.
Huh? Couldn't be more wrong. Son, you don't get to where Kevon is by coastin'.
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I think Looney wants to coast to the league. Buzz isn't going to let anyone coast, and that could very well be a turn-off.
If he is considering playing for Izzo, Donovan, Ryan, etc....he isn't looking at coasting.
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Maybe he sees guys like Leuer and Stiemsma earning NBA paychecks and feels that Bo ins't that much of a hinderence.
Leuer who barely plays and goes between the NBA and the NBDL and Stiemsma who bounced around Europe, Asia, and the NBDL for a few years after college before getting his shot with the Celtics? Those aren't exactly glowing examples to imply Bo is going to be helpful to his NBA aspirations.
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Maybe he sees guys like Leuer and Stiemsma earning NBA paychecks and feels that Bo ins't that much of a hinderence.
Plus, I suspect that UW's new strength and conditioning coach Erik Helland, arriving after 24 years with the Chicago Bulls, will be a big attraction to players aiming for the NBA.
You got me on Leuer. OK. (still not nearly as successful as Matthews, Butler, Crowder)
Stiemsma...highly rated recruit who had to relearn the game after 4 years of Bo. He was rated higher than Al Horford by some services. How many years until he got his shot in the NBA? 4? 4 years to erase the taint of Bo.
Strength and Conditioning coach should be around #28 on the list of reasons to pick a school. I hear Marquette has a good one, by the way.
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I think Looney wants to coast to the league. Buzz isn't going to let anyone coast, and that could very well be a turn-off.
Oh please....Buzz will be too hard on him?
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No, I did not write this article.
Well played
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Conversation on a Wisconsin message board about Kevon Looney. Why would Buzz continue to recruit Kevon if this is true?
Poster 1 -If he (Kevon) was going to leave on a home school why wouldnt it be Marquette?
Poster 2 - Family not big Buzz Williams fans.
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Conversation on a Wisconsin message board about Kevon Looney. Why would Buzz continue to recruit Kevon if this is true?
Poster 1 -If he (Kevon) was going to leave on a home school why wouldnt it be Marquette?
Poster 2 - Family not big Buzz Williams fans.
That's also become one of the the de facto answers every Badger fan goes to when Buzz stops pursuing a recruit. I put virtually no stock in it.
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Buzz comes on very strong and while a lot of players families seem to love his style there are going to be some who don't. Could be Looney's parents in that minority. That happens. It leaves Wis as the only High Major that they could drive to the home games. That is an incentive. If you look at the decision purely logically all these other schools are better paths to the NBA. Ryan's track record on NBA talent is below what you'd expect given the success of his teams. In the end do Looney's parents what to take a bigger risk to make it easier to get to the games or do they go with the logical choice.
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Conversation on a Wisconsin message board about Kevon Looney. Why would Buzz continue to recruit Kevon if this is true?
Poster 1 -If he (Kevon) was going to leave on a home school why wouldnt it be Marquette?
Poster 2 - Family not big Buzz Williams fans.
When I'm looking a fair, accurate assessment of Buzz and Marquette I always go to the Wisconsin message boards.
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I just can't get over Coach Cryin's record developing NBA talent. Why would a talent like Looney even consider UW?
I know for many instate kids, UW is their one and only choice, but Looney, really?
Dekker is projected as the 17th pick in the 2014 draft per ESPN
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9652326/nba-andrew-wiggins-tops-2014-mock-draft-10
Draft Express has him at 24th
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/
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Dekker is projected as the 17th pick in the 2014 draft per ESPN
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9652326/nba-andrew-wiggins-tops-2014-mock-draft-10
Draft Express has him at 24th
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/
I am asking this because I honestly don't know if this is what you're trying to do or not, but are you using a 2014 mock draft to prove Bo has no problem turning players into NBA players?
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I am asking this because I honestly don't know if this is what you're trying to do or not, but are you using a 2014 mock draft to prove Bo has no problem turning players into NBA players?
I was responding to the point made about Coach Ryan's ability (or inability) to develop NBA players in his program. It seems that some drafting experts believe Ryan is going to have a first rounder after this season. We can't predict the future, and Dekker may flop this year or blow out a knee, who knows, but based on their track record I would think at the very least Dekker gets drafted next year (if he comes out) and he might be a first rounder (at least according to ESPN and DraftExpress). If that were to happen, that would be three guys in the last four years. MU has done better, so have a number of other schools, but he would have put 3 guys in the last 4 years into the Association.
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I was responding to the point made about Coach Ryan's ability (or inability) to develop NBA players in his program. It seems that some drafting experts believe Ryan is going to have a first rounder after this season. We can't predict the future, and Dekker may flop this year or blow out a knee, who knows, but based on their track record I would think at the very least Dekker gets drafted next year (if he comes out) and he might be a first rounder (at least according to ESPN and DraftExpress). If that were to happen, that would be three guys in the last four years. MU has done better, so have a number of other schools, but he would have put 3 guys in the last 4 years into the Association.
That would make for three first-round picks and eight NBA players in 13 seasons at UW.
Not exactly a stellar record of achievement when it comes to putting players in the league.
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That would make for three first-round picks and eight NBA players in 13 seasons at UW.
Not exactly a stellar record of achievement when it comes to putting players in the league.
I guess it all depends to whom one is comparing it to. Duke, Kentucky, UCLA? The new data won't be out until next month, but going off opening day rosters of last year that RPIRATINGS put together, Wisconsin had more guys in the NBA than Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Kansas State, Purdue, St. John's, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Xavier, Boston College, Arizona State, BYU, Oklahoma, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, Minnesota, West Virginia, Temple, North Carolina State, etc, etc. Wisconsin had the same number of NBA guys as Louisville, Pitt, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Iowa State, Georgetown, Missouri, UNLV, Cincinnati, Florida State, etc.
In fact, only 25 schools had more players in the NBA than Wisconsin....all the usual suspects including Marquette, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, etc...and then the odd ones like USC, Washington, Notre Dame, Stanford, Colorado.
One could also argue that with so "few players in the Association" by Wisconsin (again, I don't think that's necessarily accurate), yet they still won multiple Big Ten titles, Big Ten Tournaments, NCAA games, etc....they must be doing something right or have a pretty good coach at the helm.
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Bo's job isn't to get players ready for a pro career.
Possibly the best pro career for any of Ryan's recruits has been Greg Stiemsma. At least he's made it on the floor for over 100 games.
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Chicos--we get it!!!!!!!!!!
You think Bo is a pretty good/really good/great coach. We get your position on Coach Cryin.
Every other frickin post you are reminding us what you think of Bo. Leave it alone for christs sake.
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Chicos--we get it!!!!!!!!!!
You think Bo is a pretty good/really good/great coach. We get your position on Coach Cryin.
Every other frickin post you are reminding us what you think of Bo. Leave it alone for christs sake.
Ironically, Chicos wasn't always such a big Bo Ryan fan. He used to rip him pretty hard back in the day. But when Crean left and MU hired Buzz he started lovin' himself some Bo.
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Chicos--we get it!!!!!!!!!!
You think Bo is a pretty good/really good/great coach. We get your position on Coach Cryin.
Every other frickin post you are reminding us what you think of Bo. Leave it alone for christs sake.
Chillax
We also get that some people think he's a grandpa, not a coach that can get guys into the association, etc.
The ignore button works well, also. Please capitalize Christ...he's earned it. ;)
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Ironically, Chicos wasn't always such a big Bo Ryan fan. He used to rip him pretty hard back in the day. But when Crean left and MU hired Buzz he started lovin' himself some Bo.
Oh I still hate UW-madison and I still rip on him from time to time, but back in the day he hadn't done a whole lot. He's earned my respect as a coach. As a person...not that enamored of him. It's really weird Lenny, but people can grow on people, or people can change and do change, or simply put some people can earn the praise of others by continually doing things at a high level. Crazy, but it does happen....all the time. Just as you have said there was a certain someone you supported but over time you no longer wanted him as your coach....hmm, you mean people's opinions can change and you've admitted it yourself. LOL.
Your timelines above, however, are inaccurate...again. Go figure.
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I guess it all depends to whom one is comparing it to. Duke, Kentucky, UCLA? The new data won't be out until next month, but going off opening day rosters of last year that RPIRATINGS put together, Wisconsin had more guys in the NBA than Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Kansas State, Purdue, St. John's, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Xavier, Boston College, Arizona State, BYU, Oklahoma, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, Minnesota, West Virginia, Temple, North Carolina State, etc, etc. Wisconsin had the same number of NBA guys as Louisville, Pitt, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Iowa State, Georgetown, Missouri, UNLV, Cincinnati, Florida State, etc.
In fact, only 25 schools had more players in the NBA than Wisconsin....all the usual suspects including Marquette, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, etc...and then the odd ones like USC, Washington, Notre Dame, Stanford, Colorado.
One could also argue that with so "few players in the Association" by Wisconsin (again, I don't think that's necessarily accurate), yet they still won multiple Big Ten titles, Big Ten Tournaments, NCAA games, etc....they must be doing something right or have a pretty good coach at the helm.
UW has scrubs...not impact players. Bit players...No comparison at all to MU.
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When I'm looking a fair, accurate assessment of Buzz and Marquette I always go to the Wisconsin message boards.
Fair? They don't know what the hell they are talking about. Buzz has done a phenomenal job of advancing players.
There is no debate whatsoever as far as I am concerned with it. He has established a 'Brand' of MU hoops that has benefitted all his players who try to make it into the league.
The Trent Lockett signing and Buycks signing for me cinched it...He has no peer in the last 5 years. Argue all you want. And I am not just being a homer.
Look around. And judging by his roster this year the pipeline is only going to continue with the guys they have now reaching their potential.
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Fair? They don't know what the hell they are talking about. Buzz has done a phenomenal job of advancing players.
There is no debate whatsoever as far as I am concerned with it. He has established a 'Brand' of MU hoops that has benefitted all his players who try to make it into the league.
The Trent Lockett signing and Buycks signing for me cinched it...He has no peer in the last 5 years. Argue all you want. And I am not just being a homer.
Look around. And judging by his roster this year the pipeline is only going to continue with the guys they have now reaching their potential.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lui72kPKjl1qk5jrvo1_500.gif)
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Fair? They don't know what the hell they are talking about. Buzz has done a phenomenal job of advancing players.
There is no debate whatsoever as far as I am concerned with it. He has established a 'Brand' of MU hoops that has benefitted all his players who try to make it into the league.
The Trent Lockett signing and Buycks signing for me cinched it...He has no peer in the last 5 years. Argue all you want. And I am not just being a homer.
Look around. And judging by his roster this year the pipeline is only going to continue with the guys they have now reaching their potential.
As Brew noted, my post was sarcastic. I basically agree with everything you wrote.
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UW has scrubs...not impact players. Bit players...No comparison at all to MU.
I'm not making any comparison to MU. The question was whether he could put players in the Association. The answer is, yes, he can. 25 schools currently have more than Wisconsin.
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Ironically, Chicos wasn't always such a big Bo Ryan fan. He used to rip him pretty hard back in the day. But when Crean left and MU hired Buzz he started lovin' himself some Bo.
I really do wonder what selective reading you have. I hope I don't get old ;D
A quick scan....
2007....I believe Buzz was an assistant at MU in 2007 http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2699.msg20188#msg20188
2007 again...Ryan a "Master and great coach"...but I also take a rip on him as well. http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=1090.msg7792#msg7792
After Buzz....no problem ripping Ryan http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21504.msg232986#msg232986
Plenty of other examples as you well know.
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So, any news on Looney's Duke visit? ::)
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So, any news on Looney's Duke visit? ::)
Yes, article posted above. ::)
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Sorry, should had specified CURRENT news.... ;D
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Coach K in town right now for Looney and Stone. With Jeff Capel. Losing them to Duke would soften the blow, as opposed to outright insanity if they went to UW.
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Kevon Looney to Announce Oct. 31
Kevon Looney, the 6-foot-8 power forward from Milwaukee Hamilton, will announce his college choice Oct. 31, he confirmed to SNY.tv Saturday night from USA Basketball in Colorado Springs, Colo.
“Halloween, October 31st,” he said.
He is down to Duke, Tennessee, Florida, Michigan State, UCLA and Wisconsin.
“I have two more [official visits] left,” he said. “I have Michigan State and UCLA. Michigan State is next week on the 13th. UCLA I’m not 100 percent sure on the date. It’s either going to be the 25th or the 20th or something.”
He has already visited Florida, Duke and Tennessee officially.
Florida was the first visit Aug. 30.
“I went to Florida first,” he said. “It was a great experience. They have a great campus. The players were a lot of fun, the coaches were a lot of fun, I had a great time there.”
He visited Duke Sept. 6.
“Duke was a lot of fun,” he said. “Coach K is a great guy. He’s a legend in the game. Duke has a great tradition of basketball and education. And it has great facilities.”
Tyus Jones and Jahlil Okafor are also with USA Basketball and will visit Duke together Oct. 25, but Looney said they’re not necessarily recruiting him hard.
“I talk to them guys a lot,” he said. “They’re pretty cool. But they don’t know where they’re going, either, so I don’t know.”
Looney went to Tennessee Sept. 20.
“Tennessee was a lot of fun,” he said. “The coaching staff, I got a great relationship with them. My dad’s from there and we got to visit his old high school and go down memory lane for him. I had a great time with the players, got to interact with them a lot.”
Wisconsin is the local school and he has been there on unofficial visits.
All six schools have been “consistent on the calls and coming in the open gym at my high school,” Looney said of his suitors.
Wherever he goes, Looney figures to be an impact player.
“I’ll bring a versatile player,” Looney said. “I think I can score the ball. I’ve become a much better shooter. I’m getting stronger. I can defend multiple positions. And I’m a great rebounder.”
http://zagsblog.com/articles/kevon-looney-to-announce-oct-31/
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His vocab could use some expanding. Apparently he thinks all of the schools are fun...
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His vocab could use some expanding. Apparently he thinks all of the schools are fun...
At least he didn't say University of Marquette
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Pretty accurate from what I said was gonna happen over a month ago, hey?
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Pretty accurate from what I said was gonna happen over a month ago, hey?
So where's he going then?
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So where's he going then?
Somewhere fun
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He'd never make it at Harris's high school, then.
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So where's he going then?
Nothin's changed. I believe him when he says he doesn't know yet.
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Nothin's changed. I believe him when he says he doesn't know yet.
I would not be surprised if it is UW-madison. I think it will be Duke or Florida, but not counting out Becky. Usually I go with whomever the last visit it is with as the leader in the clubhouse, but the fact he doesn't know when that visit even is has me believing its not at the top. Though maybe once he sets foot in Westwood he changes his mind for UCLA.
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Nick Young is his first cousin. Yet, Alford and UCLA would really have to be extraordinary at the visit to seal the deal. The distance is a huge deterrent since his folks are determined to attend as many games as possible.
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Somewhere fun
Fun? Fox Sports 1 Motto? Marquette as a Dark Horse?!?!?
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So if Im reading correctly Chicos--
It could be Duke.
But it could be Florida.
It might be Wisconsin.
But it very well could be UCLA.
Thanks for that insight. Maybe Tenn?
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I would not be surprised if it is UW-madison. I think it will be Duke or Florida, but not counting out Becky. Usually I go with whomever the last visit it is with as the leader in the clubhouse, but the fact he doesn't know when that visit even is has me believing its not at the top. Though maybe once he sets foot in Westwood he changes his mind for UCLA.
So you think it will be Duke or Florida, won't be surprised if it's UW, and think maybe he could change his mind when he sees Westwood and pick UCLA. That's one long limb you're out on, dude.
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Nick Young is his first cousin. Yet, Alford and UCLA would really have to be extraordinary at the visit to seal the deal. The distance is a huge deterrent since his folks are determined to attend as many games as possible.
Then why not even consider Marquette?
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Simply, both Kevon and his parents, feel its in his best interest to attend a university outside of Milwaukee.
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So if Im reading correctly Chicos--
It could be Duke.
But it could be Florida.
It might be Wisconsin.
But it very well could be UCLA.
Thanks for that insight. Maybe Tenn?
Maybe some of y'all with a weak ticker should watch the announcement presser from your local hospital's coronary care unit. Just sayin', if its UW.
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I wouldn't be shocked if UW. As others have stated prior--Bo is a helluva coach.
But it could be Duke or Florida or UCLA--maybe even Mich State.
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Nick Young is his first cousin. Yet, Alford and UCLA would really have to be extraordinary at the visit to seal the deal. The distance is a huge deterrent since his folks are determined to attend as many games as possible.
Well, that should also eliminate Florida. And put Duke and Tennessee behind a very large 8 ball. All the stars are aligned in Bo's favor. Can he close the kid?
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Not so fast on Duke. Trust me on this one. Drivin' from MKE beginning at 3 a.m. on gameday to Durham is in the picture.
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So MSU?
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Not so fast on Duke. Trust me on this one. Drivin' from MKE beginning at 3 a.m. on gameday to Durham is in the picture.
Making a 27 hour round trip drive 20 times a year versus the short trip to Madison? Duke better win coach and program by a landslide.
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You'll get no argument from me. Just relayin' what I know to be true.
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My opinion only----not based on anything other than what is common knowledge:
1. Duke
2. Wisconsin
3. Tennessee
4. Florida
5. MSU
6. UCLA
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You'll get no argument from me. Just relayin' what I know to be true.
I hear ya.
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So if Im reading correctly Chicos--
It could be Duke.
But it could be Florida.
It might be Wisconsin.
But it very well could be UCLA.
Thanks for that insight. Maybe Tenn?
Nope, Tennessee I say no. Michigan State no and UCLA no, he doesn't even know when he is visiting. Sure, things could change when he gets there, but it seems like a no.
Duke or Florida, with UW-madison as the darkhorse
By the way, if it was just Duke or Florida, that would mean he had narrowed it to "MULTIPLE" options....seeing as it is more than one.
For sure, it won't be the University of Marquette
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You've got all your bases covered.
If he chooses UCLA--you called it.
If he doesn't choose UCLA--you called that one as well.
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You've got all your bases covered.
If he chooses UCLA--you called it.
If he doesn't choose UCLA--you called that one as well.
And he'll say IT'S A FACT that he called it. It's called a "Chicos". Look for it in the 2014 edition of your favorite dictionary.
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And he'll say IT'S A FACT that he called it. It's called a "Chicos". Look for it in the 2014 edition of your favorite dictionary.
Can I get multiple Lenny's Dictionaries please?
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You've got all your bases covered.
If he chooses UCLA--you called it.
If he doesn't choose UCLA--you called that one as well.
All the bases...hmm, Tennessee...nope. Michigan State...nope. UCLA...nope.
LOL. ALL THE BASES!!
It's a message board, just a few guesses. I'm sticking with Duke or Florida. I'll say this, if UW isn't the school, out of respect for the home school he will say they are second even if they aren't.
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And he'll say IT'S A FACT that he called it. It's called a "Chicos". Look for it in the 2014 edition of your favorite dictionary.
Glad you mentioned the 60 Minutes episode last night. That was eye opening to be sure....lots of people aren't capable of fishing, multiply that by many X more that can but refuse to. Well stated.
And no, on the topic of Looney it's just a guess. We aren't keeping score Lenny. It's a guess, nothing more. He isn't going to the University of Marquette, I hope he doesn't go to UW-madison. I think he'll go to Duke or Florida. Nothing more, nothing less. Glad he has MULTIPLE opportunities. Best of luck to him.
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Can I get multiple Lenny's Dictionaries please?
Maybe order one after you catch that game the Braves won....you seem to be in a time warp, happens sometimes to millenials.
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Glad you mentioned the 60 Minutes episode last night. That was eye opening to be sure....lots of people aren't capable of fishing, multiply that by many X more that can but refuse to. Well stated.
And no, on the topic of Looney it's just a guess. We aren't keeping score Lenny. It's a guess, nothing more. He isn't going to the University of Marquette, I hope he doesn't go to UW-madison. I think he'll go to Duke or Florida. Nothing more, nothing less. Glad he has MULTIPLE opportunities. Best of luck to him.
University of marquette?
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Nope, Tennessee I say no. Michigan State no and UCLA no, he doesn't even know when he is visiting. Sure, things could change when he gets there, but it seems like a no.
Duke or Florida, with UW-madison as the darkhorse
By the way, if it was just Duke or Florida, that would mean he had narrowed it to "MULTIPLE" options....seeing as it is more than one.
For sure, it won't be the University of Marquette
Good...I am not impressed with him. Very overrated from the one time I saw him....
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University of marquette?
Just Chicos taking a dig at our own Duane Wilson for no apparent reason. He's been dropping this one quite a bit lately. Par for the douche course.
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Though maybe once he sets foot in Westwood he changes his mind for UCLA.
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Good...I am not impressed with him. Very overrated from the one time I saw him....
Hah
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Good...I am not impressed with him. Very overrated from the one time I saw him....
Yeah, who needs Coach K, Bo Ryan, etc. when we have our own MUHoopsFan2 to evaluate talent.
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Just Chicos taking a dig at our own Duane Wilson for no apparent reason. He's been dropping this one quite a bit lately. Par for the douche course.
In this very thread we have people ripping on Looney's vocabulary and grammar...I point out that maybe we shouldn't throw stones in our glass house by using an example, and you are butt hurt as a result of the hypocrisy being exposed. Par for the hypocrisy douche course for you.
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Maybe he does, though I don't think so as explained. He doesn't even know when the visit is and close to home is supposed to be near the top of his list. Yup, all the bases covered...Tennessee nope, UCLA nope, MSU nope....ALL THOSE bases covered. :D
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In this very thread we have people ripping on Looney's vocabulary and grammar...I point out that maybe we shouldn't throw stones in our glass house by using an example, and you are butt hurt as a result of the hypocrisy being exposed. Par for the hypocrisy douche course for you.
We had *one* poster say "His vocab could use some expanding."
And then you *twice* had to bring up "University of Marquette." The first time, you got no bites. But because you crave the attention, you decided to throw the bait out again, and the second time you snagged one. And in true Chicos fashion, now is playing the victim and calling people hypocrites.
Seriously, you remind me of a two year old who needs constant attention. Completely insufferable.
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In this very thread we have people ripping on Looney's vocabulary and grammar...I point out that maybe we shouldn't throw stones in our glass house by using an example, and you are butt hurt as a result of the hypocrisy being exposed. Par for the hypocrisy douche course for you.
Being a hypocrite would be if I ripped on Looney's grammar in this thread then ripped on you for being a douche about one of our own players. But that didn't happen, so you can hop off your "hypocrisy" crusade horse.
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Can I get multiple Lenny's Dictionaries please?
Sorry, only two to a customer.
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In this very thread we have people ripping on Looney's vocabulary and grammar...I point out that maybe we shouldn't throw stones in our glass house by using an example, and you are butt hurt as a result of the hypocrisy being exposed. Par for the hypocrisy douche course for you.
So, the proper response to what you believe is an unfair comment about Kevon Looney is to take a cheap shot at another kid?
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Theres 129 statements about Kevon Looney, it should be only one, he is not going to MU, enough said, my langauge is never perfect either. Big deal, this is not a english grammer
course, or is it?
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I'm looking back and I'm not seeing where a crack was made about Looney's grammar. The only thing close was the comment I made that his vocab could use some expanding, which was in reference to the fact that he described all four universities as "fun." If that came off as talking down about kid, I apologize, not how it was intended. I would have made that same joke about myself or any other poster who used the same word repeatedly in the same post.
Alright, there's been an apology for making fun of the grammar. Moving on?
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Theres 129 statements about Kevon Looney, it should be only one, he is not going to MU, enough said, my langauge is never perfect either. Big deal, this is not a english grammer
course, or is it?
+1
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Theres 129 statements about Kevon Looney, it should be only one, he is not going to MU, enough said, my langauge is never perfect either. Big deal, this is not a english grammer
course, or is it?
We've noticed.
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So, the proper response to what you believe is an unfair comment about Kevon Looney is to take a cheap shot at another kid?
Probably a number of responses, proper and otherwise. One proper response, IMO, is to show that when people rip on other players, coaches, etc, they might not want to throw stones as the same applies to our kids, our coaches, and our school. Sometimes folks need real world anecdotes or examples to connect the dots. Some day we might even stoop so low as to give out Sweet 16 rings.
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Visitin' MSU beginnin' tomorrow and UCLA on the last weekend in Oct. presser at Hamilton HS on Oct. 31. Poker faced with no decision yet made. All 6 schools still in play.
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Ahmed/Shayock/Tory/Diamond/Barrett/Pierce are either MU futures or hopeful futures. I am thrilled at the possibility of these guys--mainly cuz they have NOT ruled MU out of their plans.
Best of luck Looney wherever it is that you land.
When he lost interest, so did I.
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Visitin' MSU beginnin' tomorrow and UCLA on the last weekend in Oct. presser at Hamilton HS on Oct. 31. Poker faced with no decision yet made. All 6 schools still in play.
And why do we care?
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And why do we care?
Milwaukee kid. Some basketball fans like to know where the local stars are going and how they're doing. You don't have to comment if you don't care.