Quote from: willie warrior on August 31, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
At 14. Not buying it!
You can definitely tell at that age who the better players are. You can't tell that that is going to project four years from now. He could "blow up" like Dekker...or he could fall off like Kyle Kelm.
Think Buzz was strong armed into scholarshipping the kid or do you think that the kid was strong armed into committing or both?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 31, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
Think Buzz was strong armed into scholarshipping the kid or do you think that the kid was strong armed into committing or both?
Why would either happen?
No chance anybody was "strong armed"....come on.... ::)
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 31, 2013, 04:21:54 PM
Why would either happen?
Dad who went to Marquette, "you get a scholarship there you're going! No ifs ands or nuts about it!" Or Someone (Larry or Pilarz) to Buzz, "the second that kid is in HS you scholarship him he gave a lot of money with that stipulation!" I could see the first one being true but I just think its strange with buzz sending a scholarship to such a young player and him committing 14hrs after it was reported.
Well, I guess the first could be true if the dad is a raging A-hole...but I don't think it is.
The second doesn't make much sense because I don't think Flory is some type of multi-millionaire.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 31, 2013, 04:52:51 PM
Well, I guess the first could be true if the dad is a raging A-hole...but I don't think it is.
The second doesn't make much sense because I don't think Flory is some type of multi-millionaire.
Why does there have to be an angle to this?
Mike Florey obviously loves MU, and so does his kid who just happens to be a bball phenom at what 14yrs old.
Heck, I'm a 3rd generation MU alum, and my 8yr old son has told me several times he is going to Marquette. I believe him - and no, I'm not an a-hole and I don't force him to say that.
Quote from: Hold the Mayo on August 31, 2013, 04:04:55 PM
Per Mark Millers twitter, Flory just committed to MU
With the 2017 offer, I was wondering if this would occur. I was wondering if this is a kid (dad former MU player) who was skilled and solid with MU as a dream school. Buzz goes and visits, kid and dad say he intends to go to MU if he gets a chance and Buzz says, why wait, we want you too, lets do this now.
Looks like a good get. Supposedly solid already, dad knows the ins and outs of what the kid will need to do. We lock up a top Wisconsin guy, from a part of Wisconsin that MU doesn't normally dominate.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 31, 2013, 01:12:47 PM
How the hell can anybody rate somebody as top for 2017--4 yrs. away, when he has not played a game of HS ball yet?
Off the top of my head, a couple of ways are traveling team ball, ans pickup games against current high school kids.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 31, 2013, 03:34:51 PM
Hopefully he takes school more seriously than dad and doesn't need a year off to redshirt to get things together...if I recall.
Do you know for certain his Dad's problem was not taking school seriously enough? Could it have been something else--a learning disability--for example? As for myself, I honestly don't know.
Willie and Chicos........sigh. ::)
Yep, I am so excited about this. It is only very rarely that you can get a top recruit from grade school to commit to MU. Everybody knows how easily it is to predict who the studs will be 4 to 5 years from now.
At any rate, that is one less schollie we need to worry about filling for 2017-18.
Buzz seems like he's trolling Larry and Pilarz now with these traditionals.
Quote from: tower912 on August 31, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Willie and Chicos........sigh. ::)
Article from Milwaukee paper from back in the day..
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19871014&id=LatRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ixIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5046,3213467
I was a student at MU then....actually glad he got it turned around and I'll leave it at that. Sorry the truth bums you out dude, but that was the case back then. He played at Colorado his first year, then transferred to a junior college, then transferred to MU. So he had some credit issues among other things if I recall. He then got in the car accident and lucky to be alive considering the head on collision. I remember him driving around campus, a convertible if I recall (the memory is getting hazy).
School is important, I'm glad he realized that (better late then never) and I hope those lessons are imparted. I'm sure they are. I'm not anti-Flory at all, I just hope son learns from dad and puts the time into the books. Is that a bad thing to say? I don't think so.
A lot of bad memories from that 87-88 team...Flory's academics, Pop Sims smacking around his girlfriend, Ellenson quitting, Tony Reeder ineligible due to bad grades (after his own car crash) in the second semester, Joe Nethen academically ineligible, etc, etc. 10-18 finish, first losing season in a LONG time. What a disaster.
Actually it's just a dick move to mention his father's academics as if they have any bearing on him.
It would be like me saying, if your child committed to MU, "geez...I hope (s)he's not an arrogant douchebag like his (her) father."
You wouldn't want your child to be saddled with your past would you?
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 31, 2013, 08:27:06 PM
Actually it's just a dick move to mention his father's academics as if they have any bearing on him.
It would be like me saying, if your child committed to MU, "geez...I hope (s)he's not an arrogant douchebag like his (her) father."
You wouldn't want your child to be saddled with your past would you?
In all fairness if Tom Crean had a kid commit I'm sure that most everybody not named chicos would say something along those lines.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 31, 2013, 08:27:06 PM
Actually it's just a dick move to mention his father's academics as if they have any bearing on him.
It would be like me saying, if your child committed to MU, "geez...I hope (s)he's not an arrogant douchebag like his (her) father."
You wouldn't want your child to be saddled with your past would you?
I'll remember that time next time someone brings up Crean's wife, son, etc and the lack of "dick move" comments from you and others outraged. ::)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 31, 2013, 08:42:01 PM
I'll remember that time next time someone brings up Crean's wife, son, etc and the lack of "dick move" comments from you and others outraged. ::)
I pretty much ignore every Crean thread....so good luck with that.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 31, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
I pretty much ignore every Crean thread....so good luck with that.
You'll forgive me then for the attacks here ad nauseum on Maymon's dad, a few on Vander's dad, etc, etc. I don't recall the "dick move" comments, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. And those were rather aggressive attacks. I merely said I hope the kid takes the books more seriously than his dad. I'm not anti-Flory, as I said, and I'm glad Flory figured it out. That 1987-88 team might have been the most problematic in 50 years for all kinds of reasons.
Lessons learned.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 31, 2013, 08:42:01 PM
I'll remember that time next time someone brings up Crean's wife, son, etc and the lack of "dick move" comments from you and others outraged. ::)
or you could just say "if another poster jumped off a bridge, would you" or "he did it first"....kind of the same thing.
if buzz offered the kid, and he accepted...i'm good with it. i know buzz doesn't know how to recruit as well as willie, but we have to take what we can get.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 31, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
You'll forgive me then for the attacks here ad nauseum on Maymon's dad, a few on Vander's dad, etc, etc. I don't recall the "dick move" comments, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
You're correct. You are simply a victim of another unjust poster.
Honestly what a piece of work you are.
Hey chicos.. keep the father out of it when its an attack on his character. How would you feel if I talked about your father as a bum?
Topper,
Why not condense/merge this thread with the other Flory thread and delete Chico's posts.
Terror, I agree with you.
Chico's is begging for another time out.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 31, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
Think Buzz was strong armed into scholarshipping the kid or do you think that the kid was strong armed into committing or both?
Strong armed by Daddy.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 31, 2013, 04:50:01 PM
Dad who went to Marquette, "you get a scholarship there you're going! No ifs ands or nuts about it!" Or Someone (Larry or Pilarz) to Buzz, "the second that kid is in HS you scholarship him he gave a lot of money with that stipulation!" I could see the first one being true but I just think its strange with buzz sending a scholarship to such a young player and him committing 14hrs after it was reported.
Or the kid grew up in a pro-Marquette household and looks up to his dad who played for Marquette and has always dreamed of following in his dad's footsteps. Meanwhile, Buzz sees a kid who was outstanding at the WBY event and has watched the kid impress against older competition while also having a good relationship with a family that has strong MU ties so he offered him early.
Personally, I think the likelihood that it was Buzz seeing an outstanding player for his age and Flory dreaming of putting on the Blue & Gold is more likely than the dual-strongarm situation, but maybe it was Luca Brazzi who got this commit sealed.
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 31, 2013, 05:50:09 PM
Off the top of my head, a couple of ways are traveling team ball, ans pickup games against current high school kids.
I think the most obvious one given that the dad is a former MU player is that he has been attending Buzz's basketball camps.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on September 01, 2013, 09:28:26 AM
Strong armed by Daddy.
Yet again, you have no clue what you are talking about. This statement is borderline insulting to both father and son.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 01, 2013, 09:29:21 AM
Or the kid grew up in a pro-Marquette household and looks up to his dad who played for Marquette and has always dreamed of following in his dad's footsteps. Meanwhile, Buzz sees a kid who was outstanding at the WBY event and has watched the kid impress against older competition while also having a good relationship with a family that has strong MU ties so he offered him early.
+1. Now here's a guy who knows what he is talking about.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 01, 2013, 09:37:05 AM
Then why don't you delete Chico's post about his father's academics?
Why, was it untruthful? Nope.
Ban hammer in 3...2...1....
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 01, 2013, 09:29:21 AM
Or the kid grew up in a pro-Marquette household and looks up to his dad who played for Marquette and has always dreamed of following in his dad's footsteps. Meanwhile, Buzz sees a kid who was outstanding at the WBY event and has watched the kid impress against older competition while also having a good relationship with a family that has strong MU ties so he offered him early.
Personally, I think the likelihood that it was Buzz seeing an outstanding player for his age and Flory dreaming of putting on the Blue & Gold is more likely than the dual-strongarm situation, but maybe it was Luca Brazzi who got this commit sealed.
Maybe it was just me but when I was an early teenager I wanted nothing to do with my parents. It's not the following legacy part that surprised me I could see that from a junior or senior in HS but not from a kid this young. Maybe he's mature for his age maybe I just remember being more of a prick at 14/15 than I was.
Quote from: raul on August 31, 2013, 10:15:51 PM
Hey chicos.. keep the father out of it when its an attack on his character. How would you feel if I talked about your father as a bum?
Pretty funny stuff...people here attack the character of people ALL THE TIME here who have sons and daughters.....some really vicious stuff, and never ONCE is it asked to stop...hmmm. Oh, that's right, its of a former coach or a rival coach we don't like or a player we don't like, so its ok. A lot of the comments made are not even truthful, blatantly made up. Plane trips to Omaha....Good Lord.
I make a benign statement that I hope he hits the books harder than pops, and the moral outrage gauge hits tilt. LOL. And my comments are based on the truth, even provided evidence of it. Pretty amazing. Tell the truth...time for a timeout. Make crap up about other coaches, players, nothing happens and there are 50 other posts patting the said poster on the back because it was cool they dinged that former coach or rival coach or player "we don't like". WOW :o
Happy that Flory has committed, don't think it means anything truthfully. Many years ahead of him where things can happen. Buzz could be in Austin by then, who knows. If he comes to MU, fantastic. Seems like a good player, always nice to have a kid from Wisconsin commit, but a lot can happen in 4 years.
Quote from: real chili 83 on September 01, 2013, 09:44:04 AM
Ban hammer in 3...2...1....
Why? Truthful comments no longer allowed?
Flory played at MU after playing one year at Colorado and one year at a JUCO.
He then played one year at MU
Following year he redshirted for academic reasons...team ended up a disaster for tons of reasons (Reeder, Flory, Ellenson, Nethen, Dukiet, Pop Sims assaults)
He was in a serious car crash where he was injured
Finished up his senior year after the redshirt year when academics were in order
All truthful
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 01, 2013, 09:56:48 AM
Why? Truthful comments no longer allowed?
Flory played at MU after playing one year at Colorado and one year at a JUCO.
He then played one year at MU
Following year he redshirted for academic reasons...team ended up a disaster for tons of reasons (Reeder, Flory, Ellenson, Nethen, Dukiet, Pop Sims assaults)
He was in a serious car crash where he was injured
Finished up his senior year after the redshirt year when academics were in order
All truthful
Dear lord. Give it up already. What's the point?
Chicos tilting at the "hypocrisy" windmill. What a complete waste of one's life.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 01, 2013, 09:53:19 AM
Maybe it was just me but when I was an early teenager I wanted nothing to do with my parents. It's not the following legacy part that surprised me I could see that from a junior or senior in HS but not from a kid this young. Maybe he's mature for his age maybe I just remember being more of a prick at 14/15 than I was.
I'm sure it's all case-by-case. I thought my dad was like a superhero even in my teenage years. I have no idea what kind of father Mike Flory is. All the AAU events and extra training could be Philip's desire or it could be an overbearing father pushing him. I guess the glass-half-full part of me likes to think that this is best for the program and the kid. Only time will tell.
Youthful irresponsibility is genetic.
Everybody knows that.
There's a new and different thread for it. I think the mods are trying to say discuss Philip in here and any family issues in there. Not that complicated.
For those of us at MU at the time, many remember the car crash.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19880510&id=V3xQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8RIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5098,1933099
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19880509&id=eGgaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xyoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6935,80441
Thank God wearing their seat belts, at a time when a lot of people didn't.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 01, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
For those of us at MU at the time, many remember the car crash.
Do you know why Indiana said Crean's max buyout was $8 million when it's really $16 million? I know you're friends with the AD and talk to him when people on this board talk about comments on a private plane trip.. maybe you know the answer to this.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 01, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
Youthful irresponsibility is genetic.
Everybody knows that.
I know you're just trying to be sarcastic, but would this really matter one way or the other?
If it is somehow genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to overcome the handicap?
If its not genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to avoid the same outcome?
I can guarantee that if Mike Flory is any kind of decent father, he's ALREADY had the talk with his son about the need to work hard in school/put education first/don't coast on your basketball talents/look what happend to me/etc. And will probably have it again multiple times before 2017.
Quote from: The Equalizer on September 01, 2013, 11:20:04 AM
I know you're just trying to be sarcastic, but would this really matter one way or the other?
If it is somehow genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to overcome the handicap?
If its not genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to avoid the same outcome?
I can guarantee that if Mike Flory is any kind of decent father, he's ALREADY had the talk with his son about the need to work hard in school/put education first/don't coast on your basketball talents/look what happend to me/etc. And will probably have it again multiple times before 2017.
I know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, but it's asinine for Chico's or anyone else to else to respond to a kid's commitment by not only bringing up his father's problems as a young man but suggesting the kid might somehow be susceptible to them (because science?).
If Chico's or you (or even normal people) were sincere in hoping kids avoid the same issues as Mike Flory, then he'd be here wishing it for
every kid who commits to MU. But he's not.
He's either a) Showing off ... "Look at me, I know Mike Flory's past and can drudge it up" or b) taking a cheap shot at an MU commitment. I lean toward option A, but one never knows.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 01, 2013, 09:42:57 AM
Why, was it untruthful? Nope.
No...the mods are just not following their own instructions.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 01, 2013, 09:53:21 AM
I make a benign statement that I hope he hits the books harder than pops, and the moral outrage gauge hits tilt. LOL. And my comments are based on the truth, even provided evidence of it. Pretty amazing. Tell the truth...time for a timeout.
Again, I just hope your kids don't turn out to be arrogant douchebags like their dad.
JUST SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!!!!
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 01, 2013, 09:53:19 AM
Maybe it was just me but when I was an early teenager I wanted nothing to do with my parents. It's not the following legacy part that surprised me I could see that from a junior or senior in HS but not from a kid this young. Maybe he's mature for his age maybe I just remember being more of a prick at 14/15 than I was.
OR...MAYBE HE JUST WANTS TO COME TO MU.
Jesus effin' Christ. Do we have to microanalyze EVERYTHING??? Can't we just be pleased with this???
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 01, 2013, 09:56:48 AM
Why? Truthful comments no longer allowed?
Flory played at MU after playing one year at Colorado and one year at a JUCO.
He then played one year at MU
Following year he redshirted for academic reasons...team ended up a disaster for tons of reasons (Reeder, Flory, Ellenson, Nethen, Dukiet, Pop Sims assaults)
He was in a serious car crash where he was injured
Finished up his senior year after the redshirt year when academics were in order
All truthful
But your implication that he didn't take school seriously is an assumption. According to your article he had troubles his freshman year. That is extremely common and has nothing to do with taking school seriously. There are different levels of preparation for different students and they often find themselves under water their first semester. Couple that with playing basketball in an era that there wasn't the same support structure and it is very easy to struggle.
Clearly he realized how important academics were and when he saw himself having a potential issue he said school comes first and focused on it, taking time away from basketball. By all accounts his story can be viewed as one in which he took school very seriously and wanted to make sure he got his degree, even if that meant taking time away from basketball, something that should be looked at admirably. Instead you chose to focus on the negatives and attack him in a positive thread about his son. Frankly that's ridiculous.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 01, 2013, 11:06:30 AM
Do you know why Indiana said Crean's max buyout was $8 million when it's really $16 million? I know you're friends with the AD and talk to him when people on this board talk about comments on a private plane trip.. maybe you know the answer to this.
Maybe the answer is that the buyout really is only $8 million.
He makes one vaild point--you got your number from a an anonymously written blog post (on LateNiteHoops) that cites one virtually unknown consulting firm (Pleasant Avenue Athletics).
Lets face it, if you Google "Pleasant Avenue Athletics" nothing comes up that would give you the sense that they're an inside player that would actually have this data.
What makes you so certain they're right that you've taken to hounding Chicos in every unrelated thread?
Equalizer (SJS, 84) and Chicos - together again. All that's missing is Hoopaloop. LOL
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 01, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
Equalizer (SJS, 84) and Chicos - together again. All that's missing is Hoopaloop. LOL
I'd like to see an answer, not a third party attack. I enjoy JB's BB analysis, but he does seem to chase CBB.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 01, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
I know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing,
Pot, meet kettle.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 01, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
but it's asinine for Chico's or anyone else to else to respond to a kid's commitment by not only bringing up his father's problems as a young man but suggesting the kid might somehow be susceptible to them (because science?).
Except he didn't mention any sort of genetic link. You just made that up becuase it made it oh, so easer to tear him down, right?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 01, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
If Chico's or you (or even normal people) were sincere in hoping kids avoid the same issues as Mike Flory, then he'd be here wishing it for every kid who commits to MU.
If we follow your logic, you (or even normal people) can't be sincere in expressing hope that nothing bad happens to Chris Otule's eyesight if they didn't express the same exact thought for
every kid? Or you (or even normal people) weren't sincere when they expressed hope that Dean Meminger Jr. doesn't wind with the same drug addiction that plagued his father because they didn't do the same for
every kid?
Do you see how asinine your argument is?
In context, its a perfectly innocent remark. This hurdle of saying "Because you didn't extend the same wish to all kids measn you wern't sincere" is just stupid, as the two examples shows.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 01, 2013, 11:36:26 AM
But he's not. He's either a) Showing off ... "Look at me, I know Mike Flory's past and can drudge it up" or b) taking a cheap shot at an MU commitment. I lean toward option A, but one never knows.
Funny but I can't think of a single case in the past where you've accused someone of "showing off" because they something that happened in MU's past.
Why don't you just admit the real answer is C: you found a way to take a perfectly innocent remark, but because Chicos made it you had to twist it into personal attack.
Quote from: The Equalizer on September 01, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
Why don't you just admit the real answer is C: you found a way to take a perfectly innocent remark, but because Chicos made it you had to twist it into personal attack.
Thank you. That's all it was, an innocent comment and the faux outrage is as predictable as it gets for the same predictable crew.
I have to laugh at the comments that I knew some inside information on this...uhm yeah, that "inside information" came from an ability to read the Milwaukee Journal, the Milwaukee Sentinel, the Marquette Tribune at the time. ::)
I do find that someone finds it "asinine" for me to bring up what happened to his father (for which I actually applauded the father for getting it together...DOH) and we have people here doing this stuff ALL THE TIME in a malicious manner (which mine was not). Anyone want to go down memory lane for Todd Mayo recruitment as it related to brother OJ? How about we go down memory lane on Vander's or Maymon's. Or how about we go down memory lane just examining how folks here treat former coaches, etc...you know their kids might read the board. ::)
Hmmm....one treatment for the masses here, another treatment because a certain person said it (and we'll just ignore that everything he said was 100% truthful). LOL. The hypocrisy here at times is amazing.
Also amazing is your inability to avoid trolling posts. Rather than simply stating "All I meant was I'm glad Mike turned it around and hope he instilled that in Philip" which probably would have ended the conversation, you dredged up 25 year old articles and swallowed the bait constantly, which has only made you look vindictive.
Maybe my usual post length doesn't make me the best person to say this, but sometimes you can say more with less.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 01, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
Also amazing is your inability to avoid trolling posts. Rather than simply stating "All I meant was I'm glad Mike turned it around and hope he instilled that in Philip" which probably would have ended the conversation, you dredged up 25 year old articles and swallowed the bait constantly, which has only made you look vindictive.
Maybe my usual post length doesn't make me the best person to say this, but sometimes you can say more with less.
Well said.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 01, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
Also amazing is your inability to avoid trolling posts. Rather than simply stating "All I meant was I'm glad Mike turned it around and hope he instilled that in Philip" which probably would have ended the conversation, you dredged up 25 year old articles and swallowed the bait constantly, which has only made you look vindictive.
Maybe my usual post length doesn't make me the best person to say this, but sometimes you can say more with less.
Why would he?
I agree with your point, but...
I've been a visitor to the board for about 8 months. Many scoopers have relatively normal (albeit frustrating) exchanges with Chico's, but my perception is there are about a half a dozen Scoopers who seem to just wait for Chico's to post and attack anything he says. I have this vision of a bunch of hecklers sitting and working on their material and waiting for a hated comedian to appear on stage.
Some comedians love hecklers, and I suspect Chico loves the attention, and also loves baiting them as much as they love going after him.
For the record, I hope my son and daughter take their studies more seriously than I did...way too much screwing around freshmen and sophomore year.
Quote from: Archies Bat on September 01, 2013, 02:28:10 PM
Why would he?
I agree with your point, but...
I've been a visitor to the board for about 8 months. Many scoopers have relatively normal (albeit frustrating) exchanges with Chico's, but my perception is there are about a half a dozen Scoopers who seem to just wait for Chico's to post and attack anything he says. I have this vision of a bunch of hecklers sitting and working on their material and waiting for a hated comedian to appear on stage.
Some comedians love hecklers, and I suspect Chico loves the attention, and also loves baiting them as much as they love going after him.
I also believe that other posters fail to adequately value the amount of original information that CCB provides, as well as the fact that many Scoopers call for CCB to contribute whenever they have a question regarding cable TV.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 01, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
Equalizer (SJS, 84) and Chicos - together again. All that's missing is Hoopaloop. LOL
When you have the two on 'ignore', all you have to worry about is people quoting them. It makes the board much more tolerable.
I pray to God when one of my kids are at the age to pick a college that no one brings up what Avenue Commons was like at 20-22 years old. It wasn't great. Nothing awful, but if I had to read about it on some Internet message board, I'd not be thrilled.
If I'm this kid's dad, I'd be wondering why people are talking about stuff from 25 years ago and not the fact that I raised a 14 year old who got a full ride to a high major hoops program.
#perspective
Yup. Think of all of those 'back in the day' thread that have happened here. Now imagine an anonymous internet poster bringing all of that crap up about you just because your kid may one day be an athlete at the same school you went to.
Quote from: Archies Bat on September 01, 2013, 02:28:10 PM
Why would he?
I agree with your point, but...
I've been a visitor to the board for about 8 months. Many scoopers have relatively normal (albeit frustrating) exchanges with Chico's, but my perception is there are about a half a dozen Scoopers who seem to just wait for Chico's to post and attack anything he says. I have this vision of a bunch of hecklers sitting and working on their material and waiting for a hated comedian to appear on stage.
Some comedians love hecklers, and I suspect Chico loves the attention, and also loves baiting them as much as they love going after him.
So you're saying Chicos = Dane Cook/Carlos Mencia? I'd agree with that
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 31, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
Think Buzz was strong armed into scholarshipping the kid or do you think that the kid was strong armed into committing or both?
This is completely moronic.
Some threads make my head explode. Some responders make me think I am corresponding with shut-ins. I come here to learn about MU basketball from all those who know more than I do. The negativity detracts from the experience. Thank all of you that keep me informed
Quote from: Archies Bat on September 01, 2013, 02:28:10 PM
Why would he?
I agree with your point, but...
I've been a visitor to the board for about 8 months. Many scoopers have relatively normal (albeit frustrating) exchanges with Chico's, but my perception is there are about a half a dozen Scoopers who seem to just wait for Chico's to post and attack anything he says. I have this vision of a bunch of hecklers sitting and working on their material and waiting for a hated comedian to appear on stage.
Some comedians love hecklers, and I suspect Chico loves the attention, and also loves baiting them as much as they love going after him.
I think you hit a lot of it on the head, especially in paragraph 2. Been that way for a long time. One person can say X, Y, Z....followed by 10 more. Then all it takes is about 3 or 4 people to say it that dare not to be 100% Kool Aid drinkers and the sharks can't help it. SJS attacked all the time and he's smart as a whip. BMA was attacked. I'm attacked. Etc. It's not what you say, it's who says it. Put those same comments but under a different name....not a boo is made. Funny to watch.
Yes, they definitely love going after certain individuals. Hey, I'm wrong many times, happy to admit it. For some of these guys, in 5+ years they have never admitted to being wrong once. It is what it is.
Peace
Quote from: Avenue Commons on September 01, 2013, 07:30:26 PM
I pray to God when one of my kids are at the age to pick a college that no one brings up what Avenue Commons was like at 20-22 years old. It wasn't great. Nothing awful, but if I had to read about it on some Internet message board, I'd not be thrilled.
If I'm this kid's dad, I'd be wondering why people are talking about stuff from 25 years ago and not the fact that I raised a 14 year old who got a full ride to a high major hoops program.
#perspective
I say the same thing when I read comments here about our former head coach, about Vander's dad, Maymon's dad, etc....truly vicious attacks (unlike the comment I made). Yet, it is rare if I ever hear anyone stand up to those comments.
#perspective
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 02, 2013, 10:07:34 PM
I think you hit a lot of it on the head, especially in paragraph 2. Been that way for a long time. One person can say X, Y, Z....followed by 10 more. Then all it takes is about 3 or 4 people to say it that dare not to be 100% Kool Aid drinkers and they can't help it. SJS attacked all the time and he's smart as a whip. BMA was attacked. I'm attacked. Etc. It's not what you say, it's who says it.
Yes, they definitely love going after certain individuals. Hey, I'm wrong many times, happy to admit it. For some of these guys, in 5+ years they have never admitted to being wrong once. It is what it is.
Peace
This is hilarious. You remind me of one of the kids I work with. He constantly talks about all the people he knows and things he knows and ways he's better than everyone and how great of a neighborhood he lives in, then when someone says something he doesn't agree with he whispers the N word under his breath to them, and when the kid responds he goes screaming and crying to a staff member about how he's being bullied and the kid is going to beat him up. Forever the victim, Chicos. But you're right, you, along with BMA and SJS, are the geniuses of this board and thus you get attacked for no reason... ::)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 02, 2013, 10:09:10 PM
I say the same thing when I read comments about here about our former head coach, about Vander's dad, Maymon's dad, etc....truly vicious attacks (unlike the comment I made). Yet, it is rare if I ever hear anyone stand up to those comments.
#perspective
Here's the difference...as far as we know, Mike Flory isn't running into the Al McGuire Center demanding that the head coach of a high major Division 1 basketball program uses his freshman son in the way that he and his son want him to use him. He's not sitting in the stands screaming at coaches and refs. He (as you so vividly pointed out) had some academic issues early in his college years and figured it out. That has nothing to do with the outcome of his son's basketball career like Tim Maymon did on his son. Tim Maymon was clearly a knucklehead who in many ways screwed over Jeronne. Mike Flory has not screwed over his son.
Quote from: The Equalizer on September 01, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
Pot, meet kettle.
Except he didn't mention any sort of genetic link. You just made that up becuase it made it oh, so easer to tear him down, right?
If we follow your logic, you (or even normal people) can't be sincere in expressing hope that nothing bad happens to Chris Otule's eyesight if they didn't express the same exact thought for every kid?
Or you (or even normal people) weren't sincere when they expressed hope that Dean Meminger Jr. doesn't wind with the same drug addiction that plagued his father because they didn't do the same for every kid?
Do you see how asinine your argument is?
In context, its a perfectly innocent remark. This hurdle of saying "Because you didn't extend the same wish to all kids measn you wern't sincere" is just stupid, as the two examples shows.
Funny but I can't think of a single case in the past where you've accused someone of "showing off" because they something that happened in MU's past.
Why don't you just admit the real answer is C: you found a way to take a perfectly innocent remark, but because Chicos made it you had to twist it into personal attack.
It's funny that these were all quotes from Chicos posts and questions for Chicos. You forget which of your 5 or 10 usernames you were logged into, Chicos/Hoop/Equalizer?
Quote from: wadesworld on September 02, 2013, 10:16:18 PM
This is hilarious. You remind me of one of the kids I work with. He constantly talks about all the people he knows and things he knows and ways he's better than everyone and how great of a neighborhood he lives in, then when someone says something he doesn't agree with he whispers the N word under his breath to them, and when the kid responds he goes screaming and crying to a staff member about how he's being bullied and the kid is going to beat him up. Forever the victim, Chicos. But you're right, you, along with BMA and SJS, are the geniuses of this board and thus you get attacked for no reason... ::)
sure do miss BMA. Good info. Miss ya' bro.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 02, 2013, 10:23:11 PM
It's funny that these were all quotes from Chicos posts and questions for Chicos. You forget which of your 5 or 10 usernames you were logged into, Chicos/Hoop/Equalizer?
You're wrong. They were all quotes from Pakuni, who was trying to turn an innocent statement into a personal attack.
No matter whether you agree with Chicos or not, Pakuni's argument that you can't be sincere about something unuless you publicly state the same reasoning for every kid is just asinine. He thought it gave him cover to convert a personal attack into something that sounded reasonable. And this time he was caught.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 02, 2013, 06:03:24 AM
This is completely moronic.
So's your face! Sorry for just asking questions to get the lot stirring you don't agree fine but done need to be a dbag about it. It must be nice to be able to throw out insults at will behind an online alias.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 03, 2013, 08:50:00 AM
So's your face! Sorry for just asking questions to get the lot stirring you don't agree fine but done need to be a dbag about it. It must be nice to be able to throw out insults at will behind an online alias.
He thought the question was moronic. Not you.
And with all due respect, it was a question that was rather insulting to both parties. It's like asking "So, why hasn't your girlfriend broken up with you yet? Does she like ugly guys...do you have pictures of her f*cking a horse...or both?"
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 03, 2013, 08:50:00 AM
So's your face! Sorry for just asking questions to get the lot stirring you don't agree fine but done need to be a dbag about it. It must be nice to be able to throw out insults at will behind an online alias.
Lots of the insults behind the online alias get thrown out on this board, especially toward anybody not drinking the Kool Aid, etc. And by the way, you just did it also, Piper.