http://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-sign-trent-lockett
awesome!!
Buzz Williams @TeamCoachBuzz
Very proud of & happy for @T_Lockett22 for his signing w/ @SacramentoKings today!!!
#NeverUnderestimateHeart
Awesome
oh vander...
Doesn't count until he plays in a regular season game...means nothing
I know u are trolling whoever made that comment on here in the first place to prove some point. But why? This thread was going so well for like 5 whole posts.
Sorry 3 posts.
In some regards, not that surprising. He has good size, is talented and at MU proved he would step aside and do the team thing, bust his ass and play defense.
There is a place in the NBA for those players and MU is proving to be a top source of the right attitude of athletes.
So does ASU or Marquette get credit?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 28, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
So does ASU or Marquette get credit?
Both. But I would always point to the "I've never had a team like this family" speech on senior night if I'm Buzz talking to prospective recruits.
(http://www.nba.com/kings/sites/kings/files/imagecache/slider_image/content/images-topstory/2013/08/lockett670_1.jpg)
The signing. Looks like the Kings roster is at 17 based on ESPN. Maybe not a great chance of making the final cut, but no chance at all if you don't get this far.
Cowbell Kingdom indicates Lockett actually puts them at 15. I agree with your point that being signed now doesn't guarantee he is with the Kings on game day. Still great news however.
http://cowbellkingdom.com/2013/08/28/sacramento-kings-sign-undrafted-guard-trent-lockett/
holy cr@p; I am just so pleasantly stunned. Whatever happens, so good for Trent, Buzz and MU.
I'm very pleasantly surprised. The fact that both him and Buycks were signed this year after being sub-10 PPG scorers their senior years is amazing and shows what hard work can get you.
Very very pleasantly surprised. Great news for him! And yes, this makes Vander's decision even more wtf worthy.
Quote from: EnderWiggen on August 28, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
Very very pleasantly surprised. Great news for him! And yes, this makes Vander's decision even more wtf worthy.
respectfully...I actually think it validates Blue's decision. Objectively, forget the emotion of wanting Blue to stay another year, who would have thought at year end Lockett was more likely to sign an NBA contract than Blue given the year's performances and the run in the tourney? I agree with the persective that VB staying another year only would have made his chances to make the NBA much stronger, but, in his mind.....if a player like Trent can get a whiff at it...how can a dude so confident in his abilities like Blue not think he can as well at this point in his life? I guess we shall see if VB gets invited to and sticks with an NBA team through camp. I completely share the complete and pleasant surprise of Trent getting a shot. I loved his attitude and work ethic at MU and he only got stronger as the year progressed. His senior day speech will always remain a highlight of the season to me.
Awesome for Lockett. Just goes to show you how valuable he really was in his short stint at MU. Didn't get much love until the end of the year.
Trent!
Anyone who thinks this signing is anything less than awesome for Trent is an pretty boy.
Something funny about all those Buycks and Lockett bashers around here and yet both of them at least will get a cup of coffee in the NBA, hopefully more.
Congrats Trent!
Awesome news. From a work ethic and attitude standpoint, not sure they are many others who deserve this shot more. Imagine if he can work his way to seeing any sort of playing time. That would be great news not only for him, but our program as well.
Congrats Trent!
Lockett signed a 1 year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. He's on the roster and will play in the NBA.
Quote from: insidetheleague on August 29, 2013, 02:57:15 AM
Lockett signed a 1 year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. He's on the roster and will play in the NBA.
That's awesome! Great for Trent, he deserves it. Nice for MU and Buzz too.
Quote from: insidetheleague on August 29, 2013, 02:57:15 AM
Lockett signed a 1 year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. He's on the roster and will play in the NBA.
I was looking for terms and couldn't find them. Curious ... where did you read this?
Good for Trent.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on August 28, 2013, 11:44:24 PM
Something funny about all those Buycks and Lockett bashers around here and yet both of them at least will get a cup of coffee in the NBA, hopefully more.
Congrats Trent!
Yes, I was a Lockett badger, but I'm so happy for the brother. But, after watching him in summer league, I feel Buzz held him back as far as playing point and handling the ball. This guy played point very well for Sacramento and made good entry passes for dunks and lay-ups. He could of took D. Wilson minutes at any point and had a greater impact on our past season. Maybe Buzz is too loyal to some people.
Congrats Trent! I'm SORRY but I didn't now. I blame it on Buzz. ;D
i was hard on trent this year...he made some bone headed decisions, and my expectations were that he would be the last person on the team to do so. that said, he also had some great games, and i'm sure everyone at MU is THRILLED to see him get drafted. no one on here ever questioned his attitude, work ethic, character, etc. in fact, just the opposite.
Trent always respected the process. Good for him.
Quote from: insidetheleague on August 29, 2013, 02:57:15 AM
Lockett signed a 1 year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. He's on the roster and will play in the NBA.
Are you serious??? Amazing!! Buzz's players must surely have a rep for being hard working team-first guys that the NBA wants a piece of. Lockett was one of the most unselfish players ever at MU, coming from being the number 1 option at ASU to a role player here. He never put up a stink, and capped off his season with an excellent performance against Miami to put us in the E8. Really really happy for him.
Quote from: murobrob on August 28, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
respectfully...I actually think it validates Blue's decision. Objectively, forget the emotion of wanting Blue to stay another year, who would have thought at year end Lockett was more likely to sign an NBA contract than Blue given the year's performances and the run in the tourney? I agree with the persective that VB staying another year only would have made his chances to make the NBA much stronger, but, in his mind.....if a player like Trent can get a whiff at it...how can a dude so confident in his abilities like Blue not think he can as well at this point in his life? I guess we shall see if VB gets invited to and sticks with an NBA team through camp. I completely share the complete and pleasant surprise of Trent getting a shot. I loved his attitude and work ethic at MU and he only got stronger as the year progressed. His senior day speech will always remain a highlight of the season to me.
Yep. That is now three undrafted FA's to sign guaranteed contracts in Buzz's 5 years.
Quote from: insidetheleague on August 29, 2013, 02:57:15 AM
Lockett signed a 1 year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. He's on the roster and will play in the NBA.
I am highly dubious of your claim: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/8/28/4669888/trent-lockett-marquette-guard-signed-sacramento-kings
Is it safe to say that Trent wouldn't of gotten a shot in the NBA if he didn't play a year at MU? I think so.
I was another who was frustrated with Trent early in the year. He struggled to get his shot off in traffic, he turned the ball over a lot, he got beat back door and off the dribble with regularity. But he kept working. And it has paid off.
Lockett was one of the craftier vets on the team last year. He slowed the game down and did all the little things. Breast of luck to Mr. Lockett, aka "The Professional".
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 29, 2013, 07:20:54 AM
Is it safe to say that Trent wouldn't of gotten a shot in the NBA if he didn't play a year at MU? I think so.
I agree - although I think that has just as much to do with being on a team that made an Elite 8 run as it was MU/Buzz's reputation in a vacuum
Wow. Psyched for Trent, but did not see that coming.
So we are up to 8 players at least signing NBA contracts in the last 5 years. Not too many programs can claim that. And looks like Trent put up similar numbers in the summer league as he did his senior year.
http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/collegebasketball/marquette-golden-eagles/story/Former-Marquette-guard-Trent-Lockett-lan?blockID=933931&feedID=5065
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 29, 2013, 07:20:54 AM
Is it safe to say that Trent wouldn't of gotten a shot in the NBA if he didn't play a year at MU? I think so.
Eh...I don't know. Apparently the Kings were impressed with his defense and his leadership abilities during the summer league. I'm not sure Buzz can take the credit for all of that.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on August 29, 2013, 06:48:37 AM
I am highly dubious of your claim: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/8/28/4669888/trent-lockett-marquette-guard-signed-sacramento-kings
Me, too. I would like to see something that verifies a guaranteed contract. I just looked again and could find no mention of such a deal online anywhere -- except in the MUScoop walk-on's post.
Quote from: MU82 on August 29, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
Me, too. I would like to see something that verifies a guaranteed contract. I just looked again and could find no mention of such a deal online anywhere -- except in the MUScoop walk-on's post.
Look at his post history. He called Lockett to the Kings over a month ago. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He knows more about the NBA (and has better contacts) than anyone on this board.
A little surprised, pleasantly.
Loved Trent's play. He did so many things that don't show up.
For example, if he was trailing the break, he always found a way to slow down one, or even two of the defenders. Those are the things that coaches notice, but many fans never see.
Really, really, smart player.
Best of Luck Trent.
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 29, 2013, 07:20:54 AM
Is it safe to say that Trent wouldn't of gotten a shot in the NBA if he didn't play a year at MU? I think so.
I believe so as well.
How many NBA guys scored 7 ppg or less in their senior/previous season?
I'd imagine the number is very very low.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 29, 2013, 09:08:53 AM
Eh...I don't know. Apparently the Kings were impressed with his defense and his leadership abilities during the summer league. I'm not sure Buzz can take the credit for all of that.
I think the chances of Trent being in this position if he had stayed at ASU are almost non existent. We've seen what a year (Mathews, Lockett) or two (Crowder, Hayward) under Buzz can do for guys viewed as NBA long shots. Add DJO and JFB to the group and you have a "pick six" that would pay millions on a $2 wager.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2013, 09:42:02 AM
I think the chances of Trent being in this position if he had stayed at ASU are almost non existent. We've seen what a year (Mathews, Lockett) or two (Crowder, Hayward) under Buzz can do for guys viewed as NBA long shots. Add DJO and JFB to the group and you have a "pick six" that would pay millions on a $2 wager.
Non-existent?
C'mon. He was highly thought of coming out of ASU. Buzz can do wonders developing players, but I think it is pretty presumptuous saying that he turned someone from having no chance at the NBA to signing a training camp contract after working with him less than a year. (And I feel the same way about Matthews.)
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 29, 2013, 09:44:56 AM
Non-existent?
C'mon. He was highly thought of coming out of ASU. Buzz can do wonders developing players, but I think it is pretty presumptuous saying that he turned someone from having no chance at the NBA to signing a training camp contract after working with him less than a year. (And I feel the same way about Matthews.)
Trent does have a much tougher look and edginess about him than he did a year ago. Hope he makes it, but its probably a long shot.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 29, 2013, 09:44:56 AM
Non-existent?
C'mon. He was highly thought of coming out of ASU. Buzz can do wonders developing players, but I think it is pretty presumptuous saying that he turned someone from having no chance at the NBA to signing a training camp contract after working with him less than a year. (And I feel the same way about Matthews.)
No, not non-existent. Almost non-existent, which is what I said. Trent had very little chance as the "offensive star" he was at ASU. As we saw, he was a poor ball handler and an average (at best) shooter. He shot and drove the ball frequently early on at MU with little success, but he was a different player (defensive stopper, glue guy) by the end of the year. That guy has the chance to sit on an NBA bench somewhere - the guy who arrived from Tempe and we saw in November and December didn't.
Mathews wasn't as much a long, long shot as Lockett. Neither were the other four I mentioned. But they were long shots, at least 15-1 and as much as 100-1 to make the NBA at the start of their senior year. It takes great character to overcome those odds - major kudos to those guys. But the pattern that Buzz has established (guys who make the NBA without the measurables, reputations,etc) is a remarkable one I don't see happening anywhere else. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 29, 2013, 09:35:17 AM
How many NBA guys scored 7 ppg or less in their senior/previous season?
I'd imagine the number is very very low.
I agree. The first thing I thought of was Kentucky draftees under Calipari.
http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Southeastern-Conference/8/Kentucky/258/NBA_Players
Some of the college numbers are very similar of some of the guys on that list. I would say this is a compliment to Buzz and the program.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 29, 2013, 09:18:44 AM
Look at his post history. He called Lockett to the Kings over a month ago. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He knows more about the NBA (and has better contacts) than anyone on this board.
+1
When I saw the title of this thread, and after the resultant fist-pump, I thought about 'that one infrequent poster who claimed this was coming a while back'. Kudos. Kudos.
And congrats, Trent. Way to make your family proud!
Lockett will make one hell of a great practice player. Great D, effort, hustle, team player...everything you want in practice to make everyone better.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 29, 2013, 09:18:44 AM
Look at his post history. He called Lockett to the Kings over a month ago. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He knows more about the NBA (and has better contacts) than anyone on this board.
I'm not saying the report is false. I'd just like to see it reported somewhere. It's such a long shot to give a guaranteed contract to a lightly regarded, undrafted, free agent, rookie. But it does happen.
Great for Lockett. I remember watching him have a very solid summer league. It has been a pretty good off season for MU hoops.
Great for Lockett. FWIW, EPSN's take on the signing
Lockett's chances to stick with Kings
By Nick Borges | ESPN.com
According to The Sacramento Bee, the Sacramento Kings announced the signing of rookie free agent guard Trent Lockett on Wednesday. No contract details were given, however it's likely a one-year deal with no salary protection.
Lockett, out of Marquette, averaged 7.0 points, 1.6 rebounds and 1.6 assists with the team during summer league action in July.
The Kings already have six guards -- Jimmer Fredette, Ray McCallum, Ben McLemore, Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Thornton, Greivis Vasquez -- under contract, so making the opening night team is highly unlikely. The Kings will probably hold onto Lockett right up until the end of preseason so they can allocate him to their D-League team.
Regardless of whether he's on the opening night roster, it's awesome for Trent to get this opportunity. As was pointed out, not a lot of guys that average 7 ppg as a senior get a shot at the NBA. Lockett embodied hard work, basketball smarts, and intangibles. I'm glad to see at least one team acknowledging that guys like him have value even at the pro level.
Quote from: MU82 on August 29, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
Me, too. I would like to see something that verifies a guaranteed contract. I just looked again and could find no mention of such a deal online anywhere -- except in the MUScoop walk-on's post.
A 2 year deal w/a team option for year 2 would be consistent with what I've heard. Sounds like insidetheleague has good info on this.
Quote from: MU82 on August 29, 2013, 11:40:27 AM
I'm not saying the report is false. I'd just like to see it reported somewhere. It's such a long shot to give a guaranteed contract to a lightly regarded, undrafted, free agent, rookie. But it does happen.
I have seen "partial guarantees." If that means one year, or something less than that, I don't know.
Hey CTWarrior, you're right. Locket shouldn't even show up because he doesn't stand a chance of making the team.
If it matters here is another article from cowbell kingdom. They are related to the Truhoop part of ESPN so they are pretty legit. (No mention of contract details)
http://cowbellkingdom.com/2013/08/29/trent-lockett-hopes-to-shape-career-as-complementary-nba-piece/
Sounds like they like the fact he could pick up the offensive and defensive sets and is willing to work hard.
Great news and great for Lockett. I have to say, if he plays in the NBA, I will be very happy and very surprised. My NBA evaluation skills will have to be considered less than terrible if that comes to pass (and maybe signing a contract is enough to say I have no skills - but I've been pretty good in the past on MU players - so this one is perplexing for me still).
Darren Wolfson @DarrenWolfson 3h
Congrats to fellow Golden Valleyian Trent Lockett. Got a 2-yr deal from Sacramento w/ a partial guarantee. Must've impressed them in Vegas.
Quote from: beato1 on August 29, 2013, 01:28:53 PM
If it matters here is another article from cowbell kingdom. They are related to the Truhoop part of ESPN so they are pretty legit. (No mention of contract details)
http://cowbellkingdom.com/2013/08/29/trent-lockett-hopes-to-shape-career-as-complementary-nba-piece/
Sounds like they like the fact he could pick up the offensive and defensive sets and is willing to work hard.
Heh, I love the high dribble in that pic.
Quote from: GOO on August 29, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
Great news and great for Lockett. I have to say, if he plays in the NBA, I will be very happy and very surprised. My NBA evaluation skills will have to be considered less than terrible if that comes to pass (and maybe signing a contract is enough to say I have no skills - but I've been pretty good in the past on MU players - so this one is perplexing for me still).
Just wait until Davante is drafted next year. This board is going to have a massive head-a-splosion.
Quote from: Benny B on August 29, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
Just wait until Davante is drafted next year. This board is going to have a massive head-a-splosion.
Why's that?
Quote from: PTM on August 29, 2013, 02:50:47 PM
Why's that?
Oh... I don't know.... let's say there's these two guys, and one happens to have been carrying the other's prophecy in his signature line for over 2 years now. The head-a-splode won't be because Davante was drafted... it's because these two guys foretold of it long ago.
And to this day, there are still those who believe that at least one of these guys was being ironic.
From hoopsrumors.com
Kings Sign Trent Lockett
August 29 at 10:33am CST By Chuck Myron
THURSDAY, 10:33am: "Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN Twin Cities reports (via Twitter) that Lockett's deal with the Kings is a two-year pact, and includes a partial guarantee, as we speculated below."
Quote from: murobrob on August 28, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
respectfully...I actually think it validates Blue's decision. Objectively, forget the emotion of wanting Blue to stay another year, who would have thought at year end Lockett was more likely to sign an NBA contract than Blue given the year's performances and the run in the tourney? I agree with the persective that VB staying another year only would have made his chances to make the NBA much stronger, but, in his mind.....if a player like Trent can get a whiff at it...how can a dude so confident in his abilities like Blue not think he can as well at this point in his life? I guess we shall see if VB gets invited to and sticks with an NBA team through camp. I completely share the complete and pleasant surprise of Trent getting a shot. I loved his attitude and work ethic at MU and he only got stronger as the year progressed. His senior day speech will always remain a highlight of the season to me.
there's no emotion involved...it seems to me that vander didn't listen/do as buzz (and company) suggested, and i think that was a major mistake. guys like trent, jimmy, zar, wes, etc. don't have that in common with him. i also have a huge issue with vander essentially making the public statement that he felt his stock was as high as it could get...that would be scary to me as an nba scout/coach.
Quote from: mixINaWILSON on August 29, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
Trent always respected the process. Good for him.
is that a bill dance picture in your profile? because we can turn this thread into 50 pages of fishing related discussion in no time.
Quote from: Benny B on August 29, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Oh... I don't know.... let's say there's these two guys, and one happens to have been carrying the other's prophecy in his signature line for over 2 years now. The head-a-splode won't be because Davante was drafted... it's because these two guys foretold of it long ago.
And to this day, there are still those who believe that at least one of these guys was being ironic.
I'd like to point out if you read my post from long ago, I said it would be in the second round.
Quote from: Benny B on August 29, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Oh... I don't know.... let's say there's these two guys, and one happens to have been carrying the other's prophecy in his signature line for over 2 years now. The head-a-splode won't be because Davante was drafted... it's because these two guys foretold of it long ago.
And to this day, there are still those who believe that at least one of these guys was being ironic.
TallTitan is a guy?
Quote from: mixINaWILSON on August 29, 2013, 01:03:46 PM
Hey CTWarrior, you're right. Locket shouldn't even show up because he doesn't stand a chance of making the team.
Huh? I just posted ESPN.com's take, with no comment other than "Great for Lockett."
Quote from: MUFanatic4Life on August 29, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
From hoopsrumors.com
Kings Sign Trent Lockett
August 29 at 10:33am CST By Chuck Myron
THURSDAY, 10:33am: "Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN Twin Cities reports (via Twitter) that Lockett's deal with the Kings is a two-year pact, and includes a partial guarantee, as we speculated below."
Great! Lockett seems to be a nice guy and we know he's a hard worker. He deserves to have lots of folks rooting for him.
After this signing we need to reevaluate and appreciate the overall prestige, reputation and well earned renown that the MU Basketball Program has developed within NBA circles in their ability to produce quality young men and proffessionals to play in the NBA.
MU in recent years has no peer in this in college hoops in churning out Pro prospects whose games and makeup and character and toughness and coachabilities and high bball IQ feel and respect for the game, the grind it takes to stay 4 years balancing academics, weight training practice and games is impressive as a longtime (and long winded some might say) MU FAN.
Not even Duke, Kansas or even Kentucky are markedly better than MU at this every since Crean came and started the culture building and took a flyer on Dwyane Wade. I say all these grandiose things because IF TRENT LOCKETT CAN GET SIGNED BY THE KINGS muchless Dwight Buycks who both were bit role players here and he gets a two year deal..... you know the Grace of God and good fortunes or kharma is over this program!
This phenomenal to me because the one guy I expected to light up the NBA on someone's 8 man rotation Dominic James has so much has gotten any contract love at all and to this day I feel he is as good as many guys I see now in the NBA. IF Nate Robinson, Isiah Thomas and Wil Bynum and Ish Smith and other cats like that can play in the league DJO, JEREL AND DOMINIC can play in it!
But perhaps their time will come. After all they ARE MARQUETTE.....right? But congratulations to Trent Locett the one and done transfer from ASU. It causes me to wonder did he get a serious look on his work for MU for 1 year and ride the wave of their ascent to prominence in turning out Pro prospects, or was it from what he did in 3 years at ASU?
I would say in a what have you have you done for me or shown me lately talent evaluate process if maybe the former moreso than the latter. MU has taken JUCO transfers and transfers in general and each were better off for themselves Professionally then they were before they got here.
Excellent news for Trent and for MU. Another solid citizen makes the NBA based on hard work, maturity, and teamwork. I liked how the kings tried him at PG in summer league and while he made a few rusty type mistakes that anyone would make when they haven't played the position in a while, he proved immediately that he sees the court well and has a great understanding of the game. His passing and positioning and court sense were worlds ahead of most of the other summer league players. Defensively he can guard 1 and 2 and sometimes 3 which is also a bonus. The teamwork is most important. He'll never be an NBA star, but he'll always be a solid player off the bench.
I really view Lockett as a poor mans Wesley Matthews and think he will find himself a place in the league. He has the work ethic, the size and the drive. He just has to get the chance and not let the nerves get to him.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on August 30, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
This phenomenal to me because the one guy I expected to light up the NBA on someone's 8 man rotation Dominic James has so much has gotten any contract love at all and to this day I feel he is as good as many guys I see now in the NBA. IF Nate Robinson, Isiah Thomas and Wil Bynum and Ish Smith and other cats like that can play in the league DJO, JEREL AND DOMINIC can play in it!
But perhaps their time will come. After all they ARE MARQUETTE.....right? But congratulations to Trent Locett the one and done transfer from ASU. It causes me to wonder did he get a serious look on his work for MU for 1 year and ride the wave of their ascent to prominence in turning out Pro prospects, or was it from what he did in 3 years at ASU?
I would say in a what have you have you done for me or shown me lately talent evaluate process if maybe the former moreso than the latter. MU has taken JUCO transfers and transfers in general and each were better off for themselves Professionally then they were before they got here.
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dominic-James/Summary/1747
Problem with James : He still can't shoot, and he never could pass. See link for his stats on 2nd rate Euro teams. What good is a 5'10 guy who can't shoot?
Just glad I'm not a bettin' man.
Good point that makes this scratch your head. If you were a GM, would you take Jerel McNeal or Trent Lockett?
Jerel is way way way better defensively and offensively. Not even close.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 30, 2013, 08:06:41 AM
Good point that makes this scratch your head. If you were a GM, would you take Jerel McNeal or Trent Lockett?
Jerel is way way way better defensively and offensively. Not even close.
It is a team game and Lockett is the better team player.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on August 30, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
This phenomenal to me because the one guy I expected to light up the NBA on someone's 8 man rotation Dominic James has so much has gotten any contract love at all and to this day I feel he is as good as many guys I see now in the NBA. IF Nate Robinson, Isiah Thomas and Wil Bynum and Ish Smith and other cats like that can play in the league DJO, JEREL AND DOMINIC can play in it!But perhaps their time will come. After all they ARE MARQUETTE.....right? But congratulations to Trent Locett the one and done transfer from ASU. It causes me to wonder did he get a serious look on his work for MU for 1 year and ride the wave of their ascent to prominence in turning out Pro prospects, or was it from what he did in 3 years at ASU?
I would say in a what have you have you done for me or shown me lately talent evaluate process if maybe the former moreso than the latter. MU has taken JUCO transfers and transfers in general and each were better off for themselves Professionally then they were before they got here.
Is part of that due to the fact he went to Europe instaed of staying here to pursue the NBA dream?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 30, 2013, 08:06:41 AM
Good point that makes this scratch your head. If you were a GM, would you take Jerel McNeal or Trent Lockett?
Jerel is way way way better defensively and offensively. Not even close.
there's a couple inches, some bulk, and plenty of brains that say otherwise...in my opinion. how they approach the game is so different, and i would argue that trent has the physical attributes that will allow him to defend better than mcneal in the nba, and the offensive mindset that will allow him to help the team more than someone like mcneal. i don't think you get much out of mcneal if you ask him to come in play hard nosed defense every day, be extremely unselfish with the ball, etc.
all that said, my guess would be the kings see trent as a great practice player at a cheap price.
Quote from: jtbh6b1 on August 30, 2013, 01:24:27 AM
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dominic-James/Summary/1747
Problem with James : He still can't shoot, and he never could pass. See link for his stats on 2nd rate Euro teams. What good is a 5'10 guy who can't shoot?
James was an excellent passer, and that was showcased highly his freshman & senior years.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 30, 2013, 08:06:41 AM
Good point that makes this scratch your head. If you were a GM, would you take Jerel McNeal or Trent Lockett?
Jerel is way way way better defensively and offensively. Not even close.
I LOVE McNeal. But his rep as a defender from frosh & sophomore years carried him during junior and senior years where he seemed less than interested in the defensive side of the ball. Steals stats does not a great defender make.
Quote from: jtbh6b1 on August 30, 2013, 01:24:27 AM
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dominic-James/Summary/1747
You check out the awards he received in college? See the conference? Blasphemy!
Quote from: avid1010 on August 30, 2013, 08:21:59 AM
there's a couple inches, some bulk, and plenty of brains that say otherwise...in my opinion. how they approach the game is so different, and i would argue that trent has the physical attributes that will allow him to defend better than mcneal in the nba, and the offensive mindset that will allow him to help the team more than someone like mcneal. i don't think you get much out of mcneal if you ask him to come in play hard nosed defense every day, be extremely unselfish with the ball, etc.
all that said, my guess would be the kings see trent as a great practice player at a cheap price.
McNeal is a shooter and a scorer. There are far better shooters and scorers than him in the NBA. Lockett is a jack-of-all trades guy who will play whatever dirty-work role they will put him in. Unfortunately for McNeal, his best chance at the NBA was after he was D-League POY, but the following season was the lockout and he lost his best chance of landing a good gig in the league. I am surprise, but happy, that Lockett landed a contract, but am not surprised that McNeal did not.
Quote from: Badgerhater on August 30, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
McNeal is a shooter and a scorer. There are far better shooters and scorers than him in the NBA. Lockett is a jack-of-all trades guy who will play whatever dirty-work role they will put him in. Unfortunately for McNeal, his best chance at the NBA was after he was D-League POY, but the following season was the lockout and he lost his best chance of landing a good gig in the league. I am surprise, but happy, that Lockett landed a contract, but am not surprised that McNeal did not.
+1
Rebounding (consistent ~15% DR%), drawing contact, size all give Lockett an edge over McSteal with many.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on August 30, 2013, 09:17:15 AM
I LOVE McNeal. But his rep as a defender from frosh & sophomore years carried him during junior and senior years where he seemed less than interested in the defensive side of the ball. Steals stats does not a great defender make.
Amen. McNeal's defensive attributes have been ridiculously overrated.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 10:20:29 AM
Amen. McNeal's defensive attributes have been ridiculously overrated.
Still remember that matador defense against Nova in the BET.......
Quote from: Nukem2 on August 30, 2013, 10:25:27 AM
Still remember that matador defense against Nova in the BET.......
It was a classic "watch the ball and lose your man" mistake that you expect from a freshman. Jerel was fearless, a true warrior, but he had a low basketball IQ. That combined with his lack of size has done him in.
At the end of last year, it sounded like Utah was pretty high on McNeal and were planning to bring him back this year. Has that changed? ESPN, NBA.com, and Wiki all still have him listed as a Jazz player.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 30, 2013, 11:39:12 AM
At the end of last year, it sounded like Utah was pretty high on McNeal and were planning to bring him back this year. Has that changed? ESPN, NBA.com, and Wiki all still have him listed as a Jazz player.
Also the Euro version of the newest NBA 2K apparently (according to McNeal's fb page). Hope he does end up sticking with the Jazz, that would be awesome.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 10:20:29 AM
Amen. McNeal's defensive attributes have been ridiculously overrated.
Perhaps, but he did win Big East Defensive Player of the Year in a year the conference was loaded. That doesn't happen out of the blue...a lot of people "overrated" him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2013, 10:28:46 AM
No, not non-existent. Almost non-existent, which is what I said.
So is that 99.9% for almost non-existent? 95% 90%....
Here's an article about Trent's first game. Nice love for MU and nice love for ASU, as it should be. http://arizonasports.com/74/1648457/Former-Sun-Devil-Trent-Lockett-blessed-to-have-NBA-opportunity
By the end of their careers it was Jerel's O and Dominic's D that made that team go round, along with Wesley of course. Who would have thought?
As for who could claim Lockett, I would say MU since the ASU website doesn't have anything about his signing ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 30, 2013, 12:13:08 PM
Perhaps, but he did win Big East Defensive Player of the Year in a year the conference was loaded. That doesn't happen out of the blue...a lot of people "overrated" him.
Yep. They did. Like a lot of players who win DPOY awards, they generally win it based on stats rather than actual performance.
For instance, Michael Jordan only won the award once.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 30, 2013, 12:20:04 PM
So is that 99.9% for almost non-existent? 95% 90%....
97% = 33-1 odds for Trent. I'd say that's fair.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 10:20:29 AM
Amen. McNeal's defensive attributes have been ridiculously overrated.
Sad but true.
Quote from: Nukem2 on August 30, 2013, 10:25:27 AM
Still remember that matador defense against Nova in the BET.......
I remember us losing by 16 points at the half and playing absolutely dreadful basketball. Made a great charge in the second half to come back.
Some anemic shooting in that game
Wes was 1 for 10 (though 9 of 10 at the stripe)
McNeal 4 for 17 (but 3 for 8 beyond three arc)
Lazar 3 for 9 (but 3 for 6 beyond three arc)
Little Mo Acker was a shooting stud for us that game..3 of 4 from beyond the arc (4 for 5 shooting in total on the game)
That was a crazy game, plenty of blame to go around, but a fun game to watch nonetheless.
Mo was a stud that game.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
Yep. They did. Like a lot of players who win DPOY awards, they generally win it based on stats rather than actual performance.
For instance, Michael Jordan only won the award once.
Probably because people were tired of Jordan hand checking and other rule breaking to do his defense. ;) Let's also not forget he made all defensive team a ton...so does that mean that doesn't count either?
I guess I'm a little surprised that a sophomore won the Big East Defensive Player of the Year. It certain can happen, but I would expect that the coaches who vote on this actually watch the games and felt he did some great things defensively against his team. Stats play a role, of course, but they're going to use their eyeballs as well.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
Yep. They did. Like a lot of players who win DPOY awards, they generally win it based on stats rather than actual performance.
For instance, Michael Jordan only won the award once.
Also, the DPOY usually goes to shot blockers and big defenders, as if the guards are just out there for fun. College is usually more apt to actually give it to top defenders. I wouldn't ignore the BE award.
Was that the year he stole an inbounds pass at South Florida and scored as time expired? A play like that will get you some votes.
All-time MU steals leader doesn't hurt either.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 30, 2013, 03:34:49 PM
I remember us losing by 16 points at the half and playing absolutely dreadful basketball. Made a great charge in the second half to come back.
Some anemic shooting in that game
Wes was 1 for 10 (though 9 of 10 at the stripe)
McNeal 4 for 17 (but 3 for 8 beyond three arc)
Lazar 3 for 9 (but 3 for 6 beyond three arc)
Little Mo Acker was a shooting stud for us that game..3 of 4 from beyond the arc (4 for 5 shooting in total on the game)
That was a crazy game, plenty of blame to go around, but a fun game to watch nonetheless.
This was a day game, no? Pretty sure I watched that game in a stats class at MU and everyone was going nuts.
Quote from: forgetful on August 30, 2013, 04:07:26 PM
Also, the DPOY usually goes to shot blockers and big defenders, as if the guards are just out there for fun. College is usually more apt to actually give it to top defenders. I wouldn't ignore the BE award.
He's been on the "McNeal is poop at defense" train for a long time. Ticket taker doesn't even second glance. For that, it's easy to ignore a major conference individual award.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on August 30, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
He's been on the "McNeal is poop at defense" train for a long time.
I said he was overrated. He liked to take risks....jump into passing lanes... But he wasn't great at rotations and pretty average on-ball. Overall I think he was good...just overrated.
I don't think I would say Trent was better though.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 30, 2013, 08:25:48 PM
I said he was overrated. He liked to take risks....jump into passing lanes... But he wasn't great at rotations and pretty average on-ball. Overall I think he was good...just overrated.
I don't think I would say Trent was better though.
Still trying to find the post-game press conference from the NCAA Tournament against Butler because I remember Brad Stevens talking about Marquette's hounding defense and I believe he specifically brought up Trent following one of their guys all over the court, but I did find this preview of the game and his interview and man am I going to miss Brad Stevens in the college game. I hate to say it but I think he's the one coach I enjoy more than Buzz. He may not be as entertaining as Buzz, but he seems as sincere as they come and he's a really smart, complimentary guy. He's also as cool, calm, and collected as they come (although I did love his reaction when he went to the floor after one of the calls against Marquette).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xInW2dH2jpU
Edit: Found it. Mentions Lockett first as far as "hounding" his man all over the court. Question comes at about 3:40. Also brings up Wilson and Cadougan's D on Clarke and Blue's overall athleticism. I agree with him though, he played some really outstanding defense in that game and late in the season became a very good defender and was a fantastic rebounder throughout the year.
http://www.ncaa.com/video#!basketball-men/2013-03-23/third-round-marquette-post
I think Trent struggled on ball against quicker guards in space. My impression is that he didn't have great footspeed.
What I recall most about Trent was his rebounding. I think he led the team last year. I particularly recall his effectiveness on offensive boards late in games. That says a lot about his toughness but there has to be an element of foot speed to that ability.
Lockett waived by the Kings this afternoon. Sixteenth guy on a fifteen man roster.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 24, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
Lockett waived by the Kings this afternoon. Sixteenth guy on a fifteen man roster.
Ouch!
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on August 30, 2013, 08:58:57 PM
I think Trent struggled on ball against quicker guards in space. My impression is that he didn't have great footspeed.
Nor that TAKEOVER game mentality and talent.
GREAT teammate, glue guy and role player, though.
Unfortunate for Trent. He came so close it seems. I'm sure he'll sign on somewhere in the d league or overseas though.
And this is why all the debate over what kind of contract he received mattered little. (As opposed to the cancer-curing debates we usually have here; present company included.)
Here's hoping Lockett will get to keep a few bucks at least. I sure never saw him as an NBA player, but I never saw Dwight Buycks as one, either, so what do I know?
Quote from: MU82 on October 24, 2013, 09:28:53 PM
I sure never saw him as an NBA player, but I never saw Dwight Buycks as one, either, so what do I know?
I'm with you here. Since Crean, recent guys I thought had a good shot of getting drafted and sticking when they left MU:
Dwayne Wade
Steve Novak
Dominic James (after frosh season)
Wes Matthews
Jimmy Butler
Darius Johnson-Odom
I'd have given Robert Jackson, Jae Crowder and Jerel McNeal and James (late MU career) a decent to small chance to get there at some point when they graduated.
I never thought, while watching them play, even though I really liked them at MU, that Diener, Buycks, Hayward, Lockett or Blue had any kind of realistic shot at the league. Guess scouting isn't in my future.
Of the current group, excluding the freshmen who I haven't seen, the guys that look like they may be potential NBA guys to me are Jamil Wilson and Steve Taylor (and that's projecting a lot for Steve. He just strikes me as having some very good tools).
May need to add JaJuan to the watch list.
Quote from: Sheriff on August 31, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
What I recall most about Trent was his rebounding. I think he led the team last year. I particularly recall his effectiveness on offensive boards late in games. That says a lot about his toughness but there has to be an element of foot speed to that ability.
This is right on.