2013-14 Recruiting class breakdown from CBS/247
http://247sports.com/Article/Maquette-lands-top-class-in-Big-East-138441
Nice breakdown. But no mention of Duane Wilson?
Creighton; come on. With the success of back to back tourney appearances with wins, you'd think they could do a little better than that. I mean they're 70 spots back from the next closest big east member in the composites...
I was thinking the same thing about Duane, but Im liking all the love about JaJuan.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on July 10, 2013, 11:48:28 AM
Creighton; come on. With the success of back to back tourney appearances with wins, you'd think they could do a little better than that. I mean they're 70 spots back from the next closest big east member in the composites...
Creighton without the coaches kid could end up to be a bottom feeder.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on July 10, 2013, 11:48:28 AM
Creighton; come on. With the success of back to back tourney appearances with wins, you'd think they could do a little better than that. I mean they're 70 spots back from the next closest big east member in the composites...
Yet, there are some on this board that would prefer that MU have Creighton's class. I mean they got
two big men! One's 6'9" and one's 6'10".
Look's like another year of recruiting failure by Buzz!
Best Defender: JaJuan Johnson
I thought I read that his defense was something he needed to work on. If his defense really is that good, to go along with his offensive prowess... watch out! We may have no need for Vander after all.
Also, not in the article but:
Best Dunker: Duane Wilson (or Deonte Burton - they both mass produce highlight slams)
The SEC breakdown is laughable. It's all Kentucky, except for a few accolades.
Quote from: tommyc6 on July 10, 2013, 05:50:32 PM
The SEC breakdown is laughable. It's all Kentucky, except for a few accolades.
What do you expect when they sign the top player in the nation at 4 of 5 positions and the 5th one is right up there as well? Everyone in the SEC (even the entire nation) got schooled by Kentucky in recruiting for this year. Now we will see if they can actually make a team out of that many highly rated players.
Big 12
Kansas has best recruit a 4 positions. Embid rated #2 center in country.
Quote from: tommyc6 on July 10, 2013, 05:50:32 PM
The SEC breakdown is laughable. It's all Kentucky, except for a few accolades.
I don't get this comment. I count six SEC teams
other than Kentucky that are ranked ahead of our second best class in 247's team rankings:
1. SEC - UK
5. SEC - LSU
10. BE - Marquette15. SEC - Florida
16. SEC - Missouri
21. SEC - Arkansas
22. SEC - So. Carolina
26. SEC - Alabama
29. BE - Villanova38. SEC - Tennessee
43. BE - Providence
49. BE - DePaul
53. BE - Xavier55. SEC - Texas A&M
57. BE - Butler59. SEC - Vanderbilt
55. SEC - Georgia
71. BE - St. Johns74. SEC - Ole Miss
78. SEC - Auburn
86. BE - Seton Hall97. SEC - MSU
151 BE - Creighton. Obviously team performance is based on multiple classes of players--but for anyone to say that the 2013 SEC recruiting was "laughable" either can't be comparing them to the Big East, or they think that Big East recruiting is even more laughable.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 11, 2013, 09:25:33 AM
I don't get this comment. I count six SEC teams other than Kentucky that are ranked ahead of our second best class in 247's team rankings:
1. SEC - UK
5. SEC - LSU
10. BE - Marquette
15. SEC - Florida
16. SEC - Missouri
21. SEC - Arkansas
22. SEC - So. Carolina
26. SEC - Alabama
29. BE - Villanova
38. SEC - Tennessee
43. BE - Providence
49. BE - DePaul
53. BE - Xavier
55. SEC - Texas A&M
57. BE - Butler
59. SEC - Vanderbilt
55. SEC - Georgia
71. BE - St. Johns
74. SEC - Ole Miss
78. SEC - Auburn
86. BE - Seton Hall
97. SEC - MSU
151 BE - Creighton.
Obviously team performance is based on multiple classes of players--but for anyone to say that the 2013 SEC recruiting was "laughable" either can't be comparing them to the Big East, or they think that Big East recruiting is even more laughable.
I think that was his point. It was laughable that Kentucky got all the accolades in that article when the rest of the conference had a very good year recruiting.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 11, 2013, 09:25:33 AM
I don't get this comment. I count six SEC teams other than Kentucky that are ranked ahead of our second best class in 247's team rankings:
1. SEC - UK
5. SEC - LSU
10. BE - Marquette
15. SEC - Florida
16. SEC - Missouri
21. SEC - Arkansas
22. SEC - So. Carolina
26. SEC - Alabama
29. BE - Villanova
38. SEC - Tennessee
43. BE - Providence
49. BE - DePaul
53. BE - Xavier
55. SEC - Texas A&M
57. BE - Butler
59. SEC - Vanderbilt
55. SEC - Georgia
71. BE - St. Johns
74. SEC - Ole Miss
78. SEC - Auburn
86. BE - Seton Hall
97. SEC - MSU
151 BE - Creighton.
Obviously team performance is based on multiple classes of players--but for anyone to say that the 2013 SEC recruiting was "laughable" either can't be comparing them to the Big East, or they think that Big East recruiting is even more laughable.
Jesus Creighton. I know that class had probably committed before the Big East, but still. Yikes.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 11, 2013, 09:43:28 AM
I think that was his point. It was laughable that Kentucky got all the accolades in that article when the rest of the conference had a very good year recruiting.
Thank you. That was my point exactly. Kentucky's recruiting was so good that they have, for each position, the number one recruit in the conference coming in this year. That is insane.
Where is Georgetown?
Don't sleep on Creighton quite yet. They have had years of success (by success I mean MVC success) with these kinds of recruiting classes. They only had three scholarships to give this year. And the gems of their class are JUCOs who we should know better than anyone are consistently underranked.
Give them some time to recruit with the bonus of being in the BEast and they will be a decent team. Yes they will suck next year after McDermott leaves, but they will be back in a few years.
Quote from: bilsu on July 11, 2013, 10:34:36 AM
Washington DC ;D
My bad. I thought they weren't on the list ;D
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on July 11, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
Don't sleep on Creighton quite yet. They have had years of success (by success I mean MVC success) with these kinds of recruiting classes. They only had three scholarships to give this year. And the gems of their class are JUCOs who we should know better than anyone are consistently underranked.
Give them some time to recruit with the bonus of being in the BEast and they will be a decent team. Yes they will suck next year after McDermott leaves, but they will be back in a few years.
Their main problem is going to be the reality that Greg McDermott is not Dana Altman.
QuoteDon't sleep on Creighton quite yet. They have had years of success (by success I mean MVC success) with these kinds of recruiting classes. They only had three scholarships to give this year. And the gems of their class are JUCOs who we should know better than anyone are consistently underranked.
Give them some time to recruit with the bonus of being in the BEast and they will be a decent team. Yes they will suck next year after McDermott leaves, but they will be back in a few years.
That's exactly the problem, the NEW Big East doesn't have a couple years. The precedent has to be set quickly that the Big East is a conference to be reckoned with in basketball, consistently getting 44-5 teams in the dance. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see McDermott's father leave for greener pastures after his son graduates leaving Creighton in a bad spot.
Quote from: tommyc6 on July 11, 2013, 10:04:53 AM
Thank you. That was my point exactly. Kentucky's recruiting was so good that they have, for each position, the number one recruit in the conference coming in this year. That is insane.
Sorry--thought the implication was that rest of the league's recruting is a joke, as in not up to the Big East standards.
I've read enough comments here that put down the SEC, B12 and P12, implying that aside from UK or Kansas or Arizona, those leagues have nobody worthwhile, and will likely be ranked behind the new Big East.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 11, 2013, 09:13:08 PM
Sorry--thought the implication was that rest of the league's recruting is a joke, as in not up to the Big East standards.
I've read enough comments here that put down the SEC, B12 and P12, implying that aside from UK or Kansas or Arizona, those leagues have nobody worthwhile, and will likely be ranked behind the new Big East.
Not a problem.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 11, 2013, 09:13:08 PM
Sorry--thought the implication was that rest of the league's recruting is a joke, as in not up to the Big East standards.
I've read enough comments here that put down the SEC, B12 and P12, implying that aside from UK or Kansas or Arizona, those leagues have nobody worthwhile, and will likely be ranked behind the new Big East.
While I kind of agree with you, the Pac-12 deserves its reputation. The Big XII has solid but unspectacular quality, only one star (they really missed out on Louisville), but not a ton of awful teams (TTech, TCU). SEC has a bunch of garbage teams, but they also have 14 total so they should have more bottom feeders. They're much deeper that people give them credit for. If most of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, LSU and Missouri can get rolling their top half will rival any league.
Quote from: damuts222 on July 11, 2013, 12:24:50 PM
That's exactly the problem, the NEW Big East doesn't have a couple years. The precedent has to be set quickly that the Big East is a conference to be reckoned with in basketball, consistently getting 44-5 teams in the dance. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see McDermott's father leave for greener pastures after his son graduates leaving Creighton in a bad spot.
True, but we don't need Creighton to be one of those 4-5 teams in the coming years. Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova should be good to get in the tourney every year. St. John's is on a huge upswing this year, Providence is on the up and up, Butler will be down next season but should be up again in a year or two, and Xavier was the most dominant midmajor outside of Gonzaga. When Creighton falls, some collection of these teams will rise to take their place.
Also, we will probably expand in the next year or two. On one hand, that will raise expectations to 5-6 teams a year, but on the other hand, those teams could be VCU and Gonzaga.
Quote from: damuts222 on July 11, 2013, 12:24:50 PM
That's exactly the problem, the NEW Big East doesn't have a couple years. The precedent has to be set quickly that the Big East is a conference to be reckoned with in basketball, consistently getting 44-5 teams in the dance. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see McDermott's father leave for greener pastures after his son graduates leaving Creighton in a bad spot.
I think McDermott is a Creighton lifer...or at least as long as the school wants him.
And I agree with Analytical. Some of the BE schools have a couple of years. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the BE has to be great right out of the gates.
Quote from: Terror Skink on July 12, 2013, 07:38:47 AM
I think McDermott is a Creighton lifer...or at least as long as the school wants him.
And I agree with Analytical. Some of the BE schools have a couple of years. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the BE has to be great right out of the gates.
I see it differently. McDermott has been a job hopper throughout his career. If Creighton has the year everyone expects, his stock will never be higher. And if he stays, he'll be facing a huge rebuilding project (that is built on the worst 2013 recruiting class in the league).
The Big East has to be great out of the gates because there will be the unvoidable comparisions to a) the quick success of the original Big East's first few years b) the former Big East's recent success and c), the fortunes of the AAC as well as that of other former BE teams.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 12, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
The Big East has to be great out of the gates because there will be the unvoidable comparisions to a) the quick success of the original Big East's first few years b) the former Big East's recent success and c), the fortunes of the AAC as well as that of other former BE teams.
You are correct, but so what?
Let's say the AAC has a monster year and the Big East is below expectations for the first couple of years.
What's going to happen? Implosion?
I know fans will be "worried about national perception" etc., but honestly, is it really a huge deal if the Big East is the 4th best conference or the 6th best conference?
I'm not sure it matters that much.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 12, 2013, 10:34:09 AM
You are correct, but so what?
Let's say the AAC has a monster year and the Big East is below expectations for the first couple of years.
What's going to happen? Implosion?
I know fans will be "worried about national perception" etc., but honestly, is it really a huge deal if the Big East is the 4th best conference or the 6th best conference?
I'm not sure it matters that much.
What? Of course it matters. Playing the best teams in the nation absolutely matters to recruits.
Quote from: The Equalizer on July 12, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
I see it differently. McDermott has been a job hopper throughout his career. If Creighton has the year everyone expects, his stock will never be higher. And if he stays, he'll be facing a huge rebuilding project (that is built on the worst 2013 recruiting class in the league).
The Big East has to be great out of the gates because there will be the unvoidable comparisions to a) the quick success of the original Big East's first few years b) the former Big East's recent success and c), the fortunes of the AAC as well as that of other former BE teams.
I don't think McDermott's a lifer cause McDermott's not a good enough coach. He made a name for himself for 3 good years at Northern Iowa (good not great) and then went on to win 15, 14, 15, and 15 games at Iowa St. I don't think he's going to be stolen anytime soon but I also don't think Creighton's going to be okay with only getting to the tournament once every 4-5 years.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 12, 2013, 10:36:53 AM
What? Of course it matters. Playing the best teams in the nation absolutely matters to recruits.
Yea, but we aren't talking about being the best conference in the country vs being the worst conference in the country.
If the Big East gets off to a slow start, it will be what, the 6th or 7th best conference? If it gets off to a good start, it will be the 4th best, maybe a little higher?
I mean, it matters, but I'm not sure it matters enough for everybody to lose sleep over it. The Big East will settle in wherever it settles in, ya know? I not sure a fast start is the be-all-end-all that has been implied.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 12, 2013, 10:36:53 AM
What? Of course it matters. Playing the best teams in the nation absolutely matters to recruits.
i think his point of contention is that the difference b/t the 4th and 6th place conference probably isn't that much - and we certainly will be in there. Hell, there's not that much a difference b/t the 3rd and 6th probably. Only the ACC and B1G really separate themselves.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on July 12, 2013, 10:41:43 AM
Yea, but we aren't talking about being the best conference in the country vs being the worst conference in the country.
If the Big East gets off to a slow start, it will be what, the 6th or 7th best conference? If it gets off to a good start, it will be the 4th best, maybe a little higher?
I mean, it matters, but I'm not sure it matters enough for everybody to lose sleep over it. The Big East will settle in wherever it settles in, ya know? I not sure a fast start is the be-all-end-all that has been implied.
Exactly, what's more important though is making sure we get teams in Final Fours and Elite Eights in the first 5 years.
I agree that we have to be great out of the gates, but I think I have a different definition of what great means. We are only a ten team conference. If we place four teams in the tourney every year, that is pretty good. Get 5 teams in (half our conference) that is stellar. Get 6 teams in...that's unheard of.
Except for a couple of odd years, Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova should be in the tournament every year, meaning we only need one out of the remaining seven to have a good year in order to be pretty good. Any more after that is gravy. We can count on St. John's, Butler, Xavier, and Providence to be good more years than not.
Still, we will be considered the weakest of the power conferences, simply because of our size. If we want to be considered stronger than the SEC, PAC 12, and Big 12 (I don't think we'll ever catch the ACC or Big 10) we need to expand.
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on July 12, 2013, 03:21:58 PM
I agree that we have to be great out of the gates, but I think I have a different definition of what great means. We are only a ten team conference. If we place four teams in the tourney every year, that is pretty good. Get 5 teams in (half our conference) that is stellar. Get 6 teams in...that's unheard of.
Except for a couple of odd years, Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova should be in the tournament every year, meaning we only need one out of the remaining seven to have a good year in order to be pretty good. Any more after that is gravy. We can count on St. John's, Butler, Xavier, and Providence to be good more years than not.
Still, we will be considered the weakest of the power conferences, simply because of our size. If we want to be considered stronger than the SEC, PAC 12, and Big 12 (I don't think we'll ever catch the ACC or Big 10) we need to expand.
Agree with all this, but we need to expand carefully. Having 12 and those two teams being Dayton, Davidson, etc. is no better than just having 10. We should promote teams to our conference after only careful consideration and they need to be teams that will make the tournament more years than not. That should be the main criterion.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on July 12, 2013, 03:28:19 PM
Agree with all this, but we need to expand carefully. Having 12 and those two teams being Dayton, Davidson, etc. is no better than just having 10. We should promote teams to our conference after only careful consideration and they need to be teams that will make the tournament more years than not. That should be the main criterion.
Completely agree. The only (realistic) schools on my to invite list right now are VCU, Gonzaga, and SLU. Dayton adds nothing since we have Xavier, and Davidson shouldn't been considered anytime soon.
Other teams may arise in the future but I'm not sure from where.
Quote from: Analytical Eagle on July 12, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
Completely agree. The only (realistic) schools on my to invite list right now are VCU, Gonzaga, and SLU. Dayton adds nothing since we have Xavier, and Davidson shouldn't been considered anytime soon.
Other teams may arise in the future but I'm not sure from where.
As much as I am a SLU guy, I'd even take them off that list unless they rip off 3 or 4 more NCAA appearances in the next 5 years.
Gonzaga and VCU yes. VCU is more realistic just because of geography.
Meh, I kept SLU because of similar institutional type and huge media market. But their level of basketball success does concern me
Quote from: Terror Skink on July 12, 2013, 07:38:47 AM
I think McDermott is a Creighton lifer...or at least as long as the school wants him.
And I agree with Analytical. Some of the BE schools have a couple of years. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the BE has to be great right out of the gates.
From a momentum perspective, they have to be at least good out of the gate or it makes it more challenging as the years tick by and other schools use it against you in recruiting. Don't have to be great, but I would hope good to very good very soon.
McDermott...he is going to have to prove his mettle without his son. This isn't the MVC anymore so after this year, we'll see how long he goes be it on his terms or on Creighton's.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 13, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
From a momentum perspective, they have to be at least good out of the gate or it makes it more challenging as the years tick by and other schools use it against you in recruiting. Don't have to be great, but I would hope good to very good very soon.
McDermott...he is going to have to prove his metal without his son. This isn't the MVC anymore so after this year, we'll see how long he goes be it on his terms or on Creighton's.
I think you meant "METTLE"....?
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 13, 2013, 12:53:58 PM
I think you meant "METTLE"....?
I sure do...thank you
SLU adds a connecting state between Illinois and Nebraska, which I think is important.