CBS Sports: Marquette Lands Top Class in Big East

[GGGG]

That's exactly the problem, the NEW Big East doesn't have a couple years.  The precedent has to be set quickly that the Big East is a conference to be reckoned with in basketball, consistently getting 44-5 teams in the dance.  Also I wouldn't be surprised to see McDermott's father leave for greener pastures after his son graduates leaving Creighton in a bad spot.

I think McDermott is a Creighton lifer...or at least as long as the school wants him. 

And I agree with Analytical.  Some of the BE schools have a couple of years.  I'm not sure why everyone thinks the BE has to be great right out of the gates.

[The Equalizer]

I think McDermott is a Creighton lifer...or at least as long as the school wants him. 

And I agree with Analytical.  Some of the BE schools have a couple of years.  I'm not sure why everyone thinks the BE has to be great right out of the gates.

I see it differently. McDermott has been a job hopper throughout his career. If Creighton has the year everyone expects, his stock will never be higher. And if he stays, he'll be facing a huge rebuilding project (that is built on the worst 2013 recruiting class in the league).     

The Big East has to be great out of the gates because there will be the unvoidable  comparisions to a) the quick success of the original Big East's first few years b) the former Big East's recent success and c), the fortunes of the AAC as well as that of other former BE teams.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

 The Big East has to be great out of the gates because there will be the unvoidable  comparisions to a) the quick success of the original Big East's first few years b) the former Big East's recent success and c), the fortunes of the AAC as well as that of other former BE teams.

You are correct, but so what?

Let's say the AAC has a monster year and the Big East is below expectations for the first couple of years.

What's going to happen? Implosion?

I know fans will be "worried about national perception" etc., but honestly, is it really a huge deal if the Big East is the 4th best conference or the 6th best conference?

I'm not sure it matters that much.

[Hards Alumni]

You are correct, but so what?

Let's say the AAC has a monster year and the Big East is below expectations for the first couple of years.

What's going to happen? Implosion?

I know fans will be "worried about national perception" etc., but honestly, is it really a huge deal if the Big East is the 4th best conference or the 6th best conference?

I'm not sure it matters that much.

What?  Of course it matters.  Playing the best teams in the nation absolutely matters to recruits.

[Aughnanure]

I see it differently. McDermott has been a job hopper throughout his career. If Creighton has the year everyone expects, his stock will never be higher. And if he stays, he'll be facing a huge rebuilding project (that is built on the worst 2013 recruiting class in the league).     

The Big East has to be great out of the gates because there will be the unvoidable  comparisions to a) the quick success of the original Big East's first few years b) the former Big East's recent success and c), the fortunes of the AAC as well as that of other former BE teams.

I don't think McDermott's a lifer cause McDermott's not a good enough coach. He made a name for himself for 3 good years at Northern Iowa (good not great) and then went on to win 15, 14, 15, and 15 games at Iowa St. I don't think he's going to be stolen anytime soon but I also don't think Creighton's going to be okay with only getting to the tournament once every 4-5 years.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

What?  Of course it matters.  Playing the best teams in the nation absolutely matters to recruits.

Yea, but we aren't talking about being the best conference in the country vs being the worst conference in the country.

If the Big East gets off to a slow start, it will be what, the 6th or 7th best conference? If it gets off to a good start, it will be the 4th best, maybe a little higher?  

I mean, it matters, but I'm not sure it matters enough for everybody to lose sleep over it. The Big East will settle in wherever it settles in, ya know? I not sure a fast start is the be-all-end-all that has been implied.

[Aughnanure]

What?  Of course it matters.  Playing the best teams in the nation absolutely matters to recruits.

i think his point of contention is that the difference b/t the 4th and 6th place conference probably isn't that much - and we certainly will be in there. Hell, there's not that much a difference b/t the 3rd and 6th probably. Only the ACC and B1G really separate themselves.

[Aughnanure]

Yea, but we aren't talking about being the best conference in the country vs being the worst conference in the country.

If the Big East gets off to a slow start, it will be what, the 6th or 7th best conference? If it gets off to a good start, it will be the 4th best, maybe a little higher?  

I mean, it matters, but I'm not sure it matters enough for everybody to lose sleep over it. The Big East will settle in wherever it settles in, ya know? I not sure a fast start is the be-all-end-all that has been implied.

Exactly, what's more important though is making sure we get teams in Final Fours and Elite Eights in the first 5 years.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I agree that we have to be great out of the gates, but I think I have a different definition of what great means. We are only a ten team conference. If we place four teams in the tourney every year, that is pretty good. Get 5 teams in (half our conference) that is stellar. Get 6 teams in...that's unheard of.

Except for a couple of odd years, Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova should be in the tournament every year, meaning we only need one out of the remaining seven to have a good year in order to be pretty good. Any more after that is gravy. We can count on St. John's, Butler, Xavier, and Providence to be good more years than not.

Still, we will be considered the weakest of the power conferences, simply because of our size. If we want to be considered stronger than the SEC, PAC 12, and Big 12 (I don't think we'll ever catch the ACC or Big 10) we need to expand.

[Coleman]

I agree that we have to be great out of the gates, but I think I have a different definition of what great means. We are only a ten team conference. If we place four teams in the tourney every year, that is pretty good. Get 5 teams in (half our conference) that is stellar. Get 6 teams in...that's unheard of.

Except for a couple of odd years, Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova should be in the tournament every year, meaning we only need one out of the remaining seven to have a good year in order to be pretty good. Any more after that is gravy. We can count on St. John's, Butler, Xavier, and Providence to be good more years than not.

Still, we will be considered the weakest of the power conferences, simply because of our size. If we want to be considered stronger than the SEC, PAC 12, and Big 12 (I don't think we'll ever catch the ACC or Big 10) we need to expand.

Agree with all this, but we need to expand carefully. Having 12 and those two teams being Dayton, Davidson, etc. is no better than just having 10. We should promote teams to our conference after only careful consideration and they need to be teams that will make the tournament more years than not. That should be the main criterion.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Agree with all this, but we need to expand carefully. Having 12 and those two teams being Dayton, Davidson, etc. is no better than just having 10. We should promote teams to our conference after only careful consideration and they need to be teams that will make the tournament more years than not. That should be the main criterion.

Completely agree. The only (realistic) schools on my to invite list right now are VCU, Gonzaga, and SLU. Dayton adds nothing since we have Xavier, and Davidson shouldn't been considered anytime soon.

Other teams may arise in the future but I'm not sure from where.

[Coleman]

Completely agree. The only (realistic) schools on my to invite list right now are VCU, Gonzaga, and SLU. Dayton adds nothing since we have Xavier, and Davidson shouldn't been considered anytime soon.

Other teams may arise in the future but I'm not sure from where.

As much as I am a SLU guy, I'd even take them off that list unless they rip off 3 or 4 more NCAA appearances in the next 5 years.

Gonzaga and VCU yes. VCU is more realistic just because of geography.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Meh, I kept SLU because of similar institutional type and huge media market. But their level of basketball success does concern me

[ChicosBailBonds]

I think McDermott is a Creighton lifer...or at least as long as the school wants him.  

And I agree with Analytical.  Some of the BE schools have a couple of years.  I'm not sure why everyone thinks the BE has to be great right out of the gates.

From a momentum perspective, they have to be at least good out of the gate or it makes it more challenging as the years tick by and other schools use it against you in recruiting.  Don't have to be great, but I would hope good to very good very soon.

McDermott...he is going to have to prove his mettle without his son.  This isn't the MVC anymore so after this year, we'll see how long he goes be it on his terms or on Creighton's.

[Nukem2]

From a momentum perspective, they have to be at least good out of the gate or it makes it more challenging as the years tick by and other schools use it against you in recruiting.  Don't have to be great, but I would hope good to very good very soon.

McDermott...he is going to have to prove his metal without his son.  This isn't the MVC anymore so after this year, we'll see how long he goes be it on his terms or on Creighton's.

I think you meant "METTLE"....?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I think you meant "METTLE"....?

I sure do...thank you

[bilsu]

SLU adds a connecting state between Illinois and Nebraska, which I think is important.