- 2014 PF Kevon Looney (6-9, 210, 5★) | Overall Rank: 7 | Position Rank: 3 has trimmed his list, and removed Marquette from consideration. - Per Evan Daniels, Scout
Gee. what a shock. We never had a chance. He's a one-and-done.
Good for him. Honestly, if my kids were highly-recruited basketball players (not holding my breath on that one ;)), I'd want to get them away from home a little bit.
I wish Looney the best.
Quote from: ecompt on June 20, 2013, 07:41:52 AM
Gee. what a shock. We never had a chance. He's a one-and-done.
One-and-done? Sounds like Kentucky or Duke may have the upper hand.
As long as he doesn't end up with Becky, I could care less where he goes.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 20, 2013, 09:34:41 AM
As long as he doesn't end up with Becky, I could care less where he goes.
I really don't even care if he goes there.
Too bad. Thought Looney could contribute to a MU national title. He will learn that the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 20, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
He will learn that the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.
He *could* learn that...or it might work out better for him. You really never know.
once 4never gave the cat a root canel with no happy gas, it was all over.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 20, 2013, 10:29:47 AM
once 4never gave the cat a root canel with no happy gas, it was all over.
Is that like a root canAl? Remember, there is ANAL in root cANAL. (Especially when 4never is involved.)
PS - WHO IS KEVIN L?
Kevon is no Tokoto. Dude is legit.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 20, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
Too bad. Thought Looney could contribute to a MU national title. He will learn that the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.
What does crap like this even mean? You write that as if Looney was somehow Marquette property who's turning his back on Buzz.
He'll do fine at Duke.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 20, 2013, 09:59:26 AM
Too bad. Thought Looney could contribute to a MU national title. He will learn that the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.
Yeah, just as Joe Wolf learned the grass wasn't greener at UNC, Jon Scheyer learned the grass wasn't greener at Duke, Iman Schumpert learned the grass wasn't greener at George Tech, etc.
I hate to break it to some folks, but there are a couple of other pretty decent colleges in America from which to choose.
Quote from: MU82 on June 20, 2013, 11:02:14 AM
Yeah, just as Joe Wolf learned the grass wasn't greener at UNC, Jon Scheyer learned the grass wasn't greener at Duke, Iman Schumpert learned the grass wasn't greener at George Tech, etc.
I hate to break it to some folks, but there are a couple of other pretty decent colleges in America from which to choose.
Agreed.
And what does that sentiment mean for the recruits from outside Milwaukee that Buzz is trying to land? That if we sign a player from Chicago or Texas or the East Coast that those recruits will quickly learn that the grass isn't greener at Marquette?
And while we're at it, can we drop the act that we didn't really want him becuase he's a "one and done". I suspect that if Buzz thought could have landed Looney, he would have done so in a heartbeat, and not a single person here would be upset.
I also suspect that the same people who are professing that they "didn't really want" Looney are quite hopeful that we'll land Diamond Stone or Henry Ellison.
Hopefully he ends up at Gtown and takes them far in the tourney.
Just purely rumors that I heard, but wouldn't be surprised to see Looney at Duke and Stone at Kentucky.
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 20, 2013, 11:28:33 AM
And while we're at it, can we drop the act that we didn't really want him becuase he's a "one and done". I suspect that if Buzz thought could have landed Looney, he would have done so in a heartbeat, and not a single person here would be upset.
I dont think this is the case here. I feel as though we have known he was going elsewhere for quite some time now, so we tend to "not care" right now that it is official MU is off his list.
If anyone here didnt want Looney, then I seriously question their credibility from here on out.
Quote from: WarriorInDC on June 20, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
I dont think this is the case here. I feel as though we have known he was going elsewhere for quite some time now, so we tend to "not care" right now that it is official MU is off his list.
If anyone here didnt want Looney, then I seriously question their credibility from here on out.
He would've been a tremendous addition, even if it had been for one season. But, since he isn't coming to Marquette, I just hope that wherever he does end up doesn't somehow make Marquette look bad in the process. That's why I'm hoping he doesn't end up with Becky.
Quote from: muvanwilder on June 20, 2013, 07:11:14 PM
Just purely rumors that I heard, but wouldn't be surprised to see Looney at Duke and Stone at Kentucky.
That's my guess too. Looney is infatuated with Duke. MU has a decent shot at Stone, but once the elites get serious, it's game over.
Quote from: muvanwilder on June 20, 2013, 07:11:14 PM
Just purely rumors that I heard, but wouldn't be surprised to see Looney at Duke and Stone at Kentucky.
If that does happen, would it be considered a failure that the staff did not get either one? By failure, I mean the perception that a Big East school, with Sweet Sixteens and constant top twenty rankings, could not sign either from their home state.
I truly believed MU would get one of the two, so lets see how this plays out.
I would not consider it a fail if we missed on a top 10 and top 5 player. If we miss on Cohen then I would think that is failure. If you can get 2/3 of your recruits as 4 star player's you are going to build a top 15 team. Which is what I hope we are able to do. Get lucky a few years and maybe you sneak into the the Top 5 and compete for national Titles. I consider 4 of the 5 recruits coming in 4 star. Everybody other then Dawson.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on June 21, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
I would not consider it a fail if we missed on a top 10 and top 5 player. If we miss on Cohen then I would think that is failure. If you can get 2/3 of your recruits as 4 star player's you are going to build a top 15 team. Which is what I hope we are able to do. Get lucky a few years and maybe you sneak into the the Top 5 and compete for national Titles. I consider 4 of the 5 recruits coming in 4 star. Everybody other then Dawson.
We have not landed a top 10 or 5 player in decades. When one is in your backyard, we need to get him. It would be great to get a top 10 player every few years, but decades is unacceptable.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 22, 2013, 02:56:38 PM
We have not landed a top 10 or 5 player in decades. When one is in your backyard, we need to get him. It would be great to get a top 10 player every few years, but decades is unacceptable.
Would you fire Buzz if doesn't land either one?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 22, 2013, 02:56:38 PM
We have not landed a top 10 or 5 player in decades. When one is in your backyard, we need to get him. It would be great to get a top 10 player every few years, but decades is unacceptable.
Top 5-10 players leave their state all of the time to play for one of the national powers. It's not like Coach K, Calipari, and Self are getting most of their elite recruits each year from North Carolina, Kentucky, and Kansas.
It almost seems that we were never really in contention with Looney. Stone is another matter - he has ties to Duane and the quotes from his Dad make me think that a guy like Buzz has a real chance.
Quote from: El Duderino on June 22, 2013, 03:17:21 PM
Top 5-10 players leave their state all of the time to play for one of the national powers. It's not like Coach K, Calipari, and Self are getting most of their elite recruits each year from North Carolina, Kentucky, and Kansas.
Excuses. Like I said, we have not had a top 10 0r 5 for decades. Unacceptable.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 22, 2013, 03:07:07 PM
Would you fire Buzz if doesn't land either one?
No but what is your point? That it is too difficult to land one so we should always say aw shucks and think it is alright?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 22, 2013, 07:08:26 PM
No but what is your point?
You claimed it was "unacceptable."
Obviously you think it is acceptable.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 22, 2013, 07:20:21 PM
You claimed it was "unacceptable."
Obviously you think it is acceptable.
Sorry, I do not. Judging by your comment, you do!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: willie warrior on June 22, 2013, 10:52:45 PM
Sorry, I do not. Judging by your comment, you do!!!!!!!!!!
So what is Buzz failing to do? How do we land these 5*/top10 kids? Obviously Buzz hasnt had sucess with this recruiting segment, but that's not really constructive criticism.
Omg
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on June 23, 2013, 01:13:24 AM
So what is Buzz failing to do? How do we land these 5*/top10 kids? Obviously Buzz hasnt had sucess with this recruiting segment, but that's not really constructive criticism.
OK, what should he do? What is your constructive criticism> It appears whatever he did with Looney did not work. My point is that MU has not landed one of these types for decades--so that includes Buzz, Oneil, the Piano Man, Crean, etc. Hell, I cannot remember who the last top 10 was--maybe Rivers under Majerus. It was not meant as constructive criticism. Just my opinion that we always continue to use the excuse that we are not Ky or Duke, etc. Has Buzz come close? Not sure if he has been close on a top 10, but I continue to believe that we have plenty of advantages for those rare ones that are in our backyard: NBA arena and town, long standing NCAA tradition, fairly good fans, decent academics; a caring coach, and so on. Just think where we could be if we started landing some. And by the way, Duke was not a great program when Coach K took over there. Hopefully if Buzz landed one, more would come.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 22, 2013, 10:52:45 PM
Sorry, I do not. Judging by your comment, you do!!!!!!!!!!
Yes actually I do....since I am not willing to discipline any of those involved with the program if they don't.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 23, 2013, 07:19:05 AM
OK, what should he do? What is your constructive criticism> It appears whatever he did with Looney did not work. My point is that MU has not landed one of these types for decades--so that includes Buzz, Oneil, the Piano Man, Crean, etc. Hell, I cannot remember who the last top 10 was--maybe Rivers under Majerus. It was not meant as constructive criticism. Just my opinion that we always continue to use the excuse that we are not Ky or Duke, etc. Has Buzz come close? Not sure if he has been close on a top 10, but I continue to believe that we have plenty of advantages for those rare ones that are in our backyard: NBA arena and town, long standing NCAA tradition, fairly good fans, decent academics; a caring coach, and so on. Just think where we could be if we started landing some. And by the way, Duke was not a great program when Coach K took over there. Hopefully if Buzz landed one, more would come.
If your whole point was that we haven't had top 10 guys in decades and it would be great if we landed a couple, then I guess I agree. I just think its unfair to be upset with Buzz because he missed out on Looney. It's a lot to ask a kid to turn down a program like Duke or Kentucky
Some people just want to complain to complain and that's that. If you have a problem with back to back Sweet 16s, an Elite 8, and a roster full of talent for the upcoming and foreseeable future seasons - don't know what to tell you. Perhaps maybe you can rip on our coach for not landing a 5* local kid.
At the end of the day Buzz is getting 4-5 star results with the talent he's been able to recruit to Marquette - which as much as some want to think has so much to sell - is still a tough sell given its geography, enrollment size, no football team, relative lack of diversity in student body, etc.
I agree with Willie for the most part. Obviously competing with Duke or Kentucky is difficult but easier sell today than it has been in decades. While it sounded like Looney was always going elsewhere it would have been nice to make final schools. Not saying Buzz does not go hard for the super elite kids but also seems like he prefers the underdog kids. I do believe we need to land a top ten kid to build program even further. Hoping Stone ends up being the guy and others follow down the road.
Quote from: Goose on June 23, 2013, 12:27:55 PM
I agree with Willie for the most part. Obviously competing with Duke or Kentucky is difficult but easier sell today than it has been in decades. While it sounded like Looney was always going elsewhere it would have been nice to make final schools. Not saying Buzz does not go hard for the super elite kids but also seems like he prefers the underdog kids. I do believe we need to land a top ten kid to build program even further. Hoping Stone ends up being the guy and others follow down the road.
Why care about being in his final five if you are pretty sure he's going elsewhere? I'd rather know that he isn't coming here so Buzz can move on elsewhere.
And my disagreement with willie is that he drops the "inexcusable" word a lot...but in reality it is excusable.
Quote from: netty24 on June 23, 2013, 01:50:16 AM
Stay classy.
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Buzz isn't going to bend over backwards for any recruits and when you have coaches telling these guys that they are the next coming of Michael Jordan (or major or Lebron whatever) then it puts us at a disadvantage. I'd be pretty shocked if we ever break into consistently getting those top 10 players.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 23, 2013, 01:44:56 PM
Buzz isn't going to bend over backwards for any recruits and when you have coaches telling these guys that they are the next coming of Michael Jordan (or major or Lebron whatever) then it puts us at a disadvantage. I'd be pretty shocked if we ever break into consistently getting those top 10 players.
Totally disagree. Buzz wants the best of the best, and by and large most if not all would fit into Buzz' system & culture. Looney never really considered us for the simple fact that MU is located in Milwaukee and not called Duke. Once that was made clear, why would Buzz waste his time? Now look at Stone. He is apparently open to the idea of MU, so Buzz is on him hard. People using the Looney situation to draw any sort of conclusions about all 5 stars or all local kids or who Buzz is/isn't targeting well enough is laughable and the height of ignorance.
Up until now, Buzz could excuse the lack of interest on the part of elites based on his own youth--he didn't have the experience or track record to show recruits. But five years into his MU career, he's proven that he's good enough to coach successfully at a high-major level, get players prepared for the next level, and there's no reason why recruits wouldn't be taking note.
The question at hand is what happens if Buzz ever reaches the conclusion that he cannot get those elite level players to come to MU.
Looking at it pragmatically, one of two things is likely to happen.
1. He decides that he's happy with his legacy being the next Mark Few--a great coach who stayed at a lower level school, has a nice career, is loved by his team's fans--and has come to acceptance that his teams aren't considered at the Duke, UK, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, etc. level.
2. He decides he wants a bigger legacy, leaves MU, and starts landing those elite players (and lets face it, nobody thinks he couldn't land those players if he went to an elite-level school). He then has a chance of going down as the next Bill Self or Coach K or Roy Williams.
I think the people are all hoping for a unlikely third option--that he turns Marquette into the next Duke, KU or UK with nothing but underdog players. This is just wishful thinking.
Hence the unease when a Marquette coach can't land the elite players he's going hard after.
This sure is a lot of silly and unnecessary teeth-gnashing over one recruit who we've known for a long time wasn't coming to Marquette. By all accounts this has nothing to do with Buzz not being able to land an elite player and everything to do with a young man who has this insane notion that college is a time to get away from home.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on June 23, 2013, 11:49:03 AM
If your whole point was that we haven't had top 10 guys in decades and it would be great if we landed a couple, then I guess I agree. I just think its unfair to be upset with Buzz because he missed out on Looney. It's a lot to ask a kid to turn down a program like Duke or Kentucky
I am not down on Buzz because Looney has eliminated MU. I get that some guys want to go to the Big Time schools. What I do not get is why MU is not considered Big Time. There was a time that it was. Duke is considered Big Time, but it is also a small school like MU. Every time we lose out on these guys the same old refrain comes out: We can't compete with Ky. or Duke or NC; we have an urban campus; our weather is too cold; we do not have good looking chicks; etc. Excuses.
Now if Looney went to UW, then it is time to get on Buzz. Hope we land Stone.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 23, 2013, 06:20:02 PM
I am not down on Buzz because Looney has eliminated MU. I get that some guys want to go to the Big Time schools. What I do not get is why MU is not considered Big Time. There was a time that it was. Duke is considered Big Time, but it is also a small school like MU. Every time we lose out on these guys the same old refrain comes out: We can't compete with Ky. or Duke or NC; we have an urban campus; our weather is too cold; we do not have good looking chicks; etc. Excuses.
Now if Looney went to UW, then it is time to get on Buzz. Hope we land Stone.
But some of those other schools have elite basketball, and better weather and hot chicks. That's like two companies competing to hire a CEO. They both pay the same both fortune 500 companies, but one says oh yeah, your office will be on the beach and the other is in an igloo.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 23, 2013, 06:20:02 PM
I am not down on Buzz because Looney has eliminated MU. I get that some guys want to go to the Big Time schools. What I do not get is why MU is not considered Big Time. There was a time that it was. Duke is considered Big Time, but it is also a small school like MU. Every time we lose out on these guys the same old refrain comes out: We can't compete with Ky. or Duke or NC; we have an urban campus; our weather is too cold; we do not have good looking chicks; etc. Excuses.
Now if Looney went to UW, then it is time to get on Buzz. Hope we land Stone.
Since 1988, Duke has been to 10 Final Fours and won four national titles.
Marquette in that same span has one Final Four and zero titles.
Do you now understand why Duke is considered "big time" and Marquette is not?
Do you now (hopefully) feel silly for even asking that question?
Quote from: forgetful on June 23, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
But some of those other schools have elite basketball, and better weather and hot chicks. That's like two companies competing to hire a CEO. They both pay the same both fortune 500 companies, but one says oh yeah, your office will be on the beach and the other is in an igloo.
For an Inuit that would be an easy choice
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Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 23, 2013, 02:20:45 PM
Totally disagree. Buzz wants the best of the best, and by and large most if not all would fit into Buzz' system & culture. Looney never really considered us for the simple fact that MU is located in Milwaukee and not called Duke. Once that was made clear, why would Buzz waste his time? Now look at Stone. He is apparently open to the idea of MU, so Buzz is on him hard. People using the Looney situation to draw any sort of conclusions about all 5 stars or all local kids or who Buzz is/isn't targeting well enough is laughable and the height of ignorance.
If that's what you think the height of ignorance is then you would in for some major shocks if you ever went to the rural south
This isn't remotely news. We haven't been after Looney for quite some time now because we knew we weren't going to be in the race at the end. Looney himself said he hadn't heard from Marquette in some time and that was months ago. Probably close to a year that we haven't been pursuing him because it's obvious from anyone following this recruitment (not wearing Badger red) where he's going to end up.
The smartest thing the staff did was to get off the Looney train early. There's no point lamenting this any more than complaining Jabari Parker went to Duke. We were never going to get him, so why waste time?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 23, 2013, 06:40:34 PM
Since 1988, Duke has been to 10 Final Fours and won four national titles.
Marquette in that same span has one Final Four and zero titles.
Do you now understand why Duke is considered "big time" and Marquette is not?
Do you now (hopefully) feel silly for even asking that question?
Is it the chicken or the egg first. How do we get to that status? There was a time when we were and Duke was not. If Duke can do it, why can't MU? Start the excuse making in 3..2..1..
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2013, 08:22:40 AM
Is it the chicken or the egg first. How do we get to that status? There was a time when we were and Duke was not. If Duke can do it, why can't MU? Start the excuse making in 3..2..1..
Duke was always pretty good and had the benefit of being in the ACC. They were national runner up the year after MU won the national championship. Don't make it sound like they came from nowhere.
But to answer your question, they first built a good group of players that got them to the national championship game in 1986. That is what started the ball rolling. Perhaps this group of MU players can reach a Final Four...then if Buzz sticks around it can grow from there.
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 24, 2013, 08:35:13 AM
Duke was always pretty good and had the benefit of being in the ACC. They were national runner up the year after MU won the national championship. Don't make it sound like they came from nowhere.
But to answer your question, they first built a good group of players that got them to the national championship game in 1986. That is what started the ball rolling. Perhaps this group of MU players can reach a Final Four...then if Buzz sticks around it can grow from there.
NO! It has to happen overnight!
If Buzz stays 10 more years, I'm confident we'll be at the Michigan St. level, which absolutely no one should complain about
Quote from: Terror Skink on June 24, 2013, 08:35:13 AM
Duke was always pretty good and had the benefit of being in the ACC. They were national runner up the year after MU won the national championship. Don't make it sound like they came from nowhere.
But to answer your question, they first built a good group of players that got them to the national championship game in 1986. That is what started the ball rolling. Perhaps this group of MU players can reach a Final Four...then if Buzz sticks around it can grow from there.
Don't think they were always pretty good. Did not look it up but were they not about 13-15 in K's first year and only about 10 wins the year before?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2013, 10:16:44 AM
Don't think they were always pretty good. Did not look it up but were they not about 13-15 in K's first year and only about 10 wins the year before?
No, they were always pretty good.
Since 1950 they've had 40 seasons of 20 or more wins. They've had just
seven losing seasons in the last 85 years. They went to three Final Fours and an Elite Eight during the 1960s, and another Final Four and Elite Eight in the 70s, pre Coach K.
Marquette has been trending up big time under Buzz. It may not be happening as fast as some here would like it, but it is happening at a fast pace.
Look at the incoming class and people like Wilson, who selected us early and who want to play for us.... then things like the following show the trend:
From a Green Bay News Paper via Dodds board:
"Things got even better in late April when Marquette called and offered a scholarship. The school is a dream destination for Cohen, who grew up cheering for the Golden Eagles. He already has taken an unofficial visit to the campus.
Cohen has made no secret about his fondness for Marquette and said it is the leader right now. Murphy said Minnesota and Gonzaga are two other schools in strong consideration.
"I feel strong about Marquette, but I haven't made any decisions yet," said Cohen, who expects to make a choice before his senior season. "I'm still trying to keep all my options open, but I feel strongly toward Marquette right now.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/dwyane-wade-son-zaire-one-nation-top-fifth-101514122.html
Heck with Looney, lock this kid up early...........
Quote from: nyg on June 24, 2013, 11:06:40 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/dwyane-wade-son-zaire-one-nation-top-fifth-101514122.html
Heck with Looney, lock this kid up early...........
Hopefully we have a better shot with Zaire Wade than we did with Austin Rivers.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on June 24, 2013, 11:41:15 AM
Hopefully we have a better shot with Zaire Wade than we did with Austin Rivers.
God help us if Zaire ends up in Crimson... Rocky will likely be the most devastated as such would likely result in the need for a major upgrade to Scoop's server and bandwidth.
Quote from: Benny B on June 24, 2013, 11:44:26 AM
God help us if Zaire ends up in Crimson... Rocky will likely be the most devastated as such would likely result in the need for a major upgrade to Scoop's server and bandwidth.
I was at an event honoring Dwyane at Richards High School. Crean spoke, and said that Wade would have "crawled on his hands and knees through broken glass all the way to Bloomington" if IU could have recruited/accepted him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2013, 12:18:11 PM
I was at an event honoring Dwyane at Richards High School. Crean spoke, and said that Wade would have "crawled on his hands and knees through broken glass all the way to Bloomington" if IU could have recruited/accepted him.
Wade made a similar type comment as well. Paraphrasing, but he said he wasn't offered by any major programs at the time except for MU and was disappointed, but he understood he had to work that much harder as a result.
All in all, worked out well for everyone.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2013, 12:18:11 PM
I was at an event honoring Dwyane at Richards High School. Crean spoke, and said that Wade would have "crawled on his hands and knees through broken glass all the way to Bloomington" if IU could have recruited/accepted him.
Wouldn't every HS basketball recruit have chosen IU over MU in 2000?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2013, 10:16:44 AM
Don't think they were always pretty good. Did not look it up but were they not about 13-15 in K's first year and only about 10 wins the year before?
They are the 4th all-time winningest program with 2001 wins. MU is the 43rd winningest program with 1520 wins. Look at it this way. If Duke dropped basketball today, it would take MU 20 years at 24 wins a year to catch Duke for number of games won.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 24, 2013, 12:26:55 PM
Wade made a similar type comment as well. Paraphrasing, but he said he wasn't offered by any major programs at the time except for MU and was disappointed, but he understood he had to work that much harder as a result.
All in all, worked out well for everyone.
Well he wasn't eligible to be recruited by any BCS schools at the time due to his Non Qualifier status. You do make a good point, however, in illustrating that there was virtually no competition for his services, outside of Bradley University, and perhaps DePaul. Definitely a God send to the MU program, and thank God Crean was able to lock him up.
Quote from: Ners on June 24, 2013, 04:16:47 PM
Well he wasn't eligible to be recruited by any BCS schools at the time due to his Non Qualifier status. You do make a good point, however, in illustrating that there was virtually no competition for his services, outside of Bradley University, and perhaps DePaul. Definitely a God send to the MU program, and thank God Crean was able to lock him up.
DePaul didn't offer him, as I recall. They went for Imari Sawyer instead (D'oh ... though at the time that was a great get for DePaul .... so much for recruiting rankings).
Let's keep in mind, that colleges can have 13 scholarship players. This small number levels the playing field. There are a lot of talented high school athletes to go around. Having a great coach is the key. The coach recruits the players he wants and needs. Buzz has done well. Marquette has done extremely well for the past 50 years as a basketball power and with Buzz at the controls now, we shall continue to be successful.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2013, 12:18:11 PM
I was at an event honoring Dwyane at Richards High School. Crean spoke, and said that Wade would have "crawled on his hands and knees through broken glass all the way to Bloomington" if IU could have recruited/accepted him.
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Quote from: Pakuni on June 24, 2013, 10:42:47 AM
No, they were always pretty good.
Since 1950 they've had 40 seasons of 20 or more wins. They've had just seven losing seasons in the last 85 years. They went to three Final Fours and an Elite Eight during the 1960s, and another Final Four and Elite Eight in the 70s, pre Coach K.
No they were not always good. Duke has been playing basketball for 12 more years than MU. Coach K's first three years, they were 38-47. There was a 6 year stretch under Foster when they were 76-82. My only point has been that if Duke can do it, so can MU, and all the rest are excuses.
Point: Who has a better program now, MU or UCLA? And which program is better all time? But which program would you like at this point in time?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 25, 2013, 08:13:02 AM
No they were not always good. Duke has been playing basketball for 12 more years than MU. Coach K's first three years, they were 38-47. There was a 6 year stretch under Foster when they were 76-82. My only point has been that if Duke can do it, so can MU, and all the rest are excuses.
willie....no one is saying they can't. But that doesn't mean they will.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 25, 2013, 08:13:02 AM
No they were not always good. Duke has been playing basketball for 12 more years than MU. Coach K's first three years, they were 38-47. There was a 6 year stretch under Foster when they were 76-82. My only point has been that if Duke can do it, so can MU, and all the rest are excuses.
Point: Who has a better program now, MU or UCLA? And which program is better all time? But which program would you like at this point in time?
In those early years teams played about 12 games a year. Duke might of had a 100 wins before MU had a team, which means they have won approximately 380 games since MU started basketball. Maybe 200 of those have been while Coach K has been coach. We have been happy with Buzz's success 175-54 .691 winning percentage which is significantly better than MU's all-time winning percentage of .622. While .622 is very good it pales in comparison to Duke's .704 winning percentage. Besides that, does it really matter whether they have been always good. Today's recruiting target is probably 17 years old and at most can remember following basketball from age 6(?). Does it even matter that a team like UW absolutely sucked prior to that or that UCLA won 10 championships in 12 years.
Quote from: bilsu on June 25, 2013, 08:50:42 AM
In those early years teams played about 12 games a year. Duke might of had a 100 wins before MU had a team, which means they have won approximately 380 games since MU started basketball. Maybe 200 of those have been while Coach K has been coach. We have been happy with Buzz's success 175-54 .691 winning percentage which is significantly better than MU's all-time winning percentage of .622. While .622 is very good it pales in comparison to Duke's .704 winning percentage. Besides that, does it really matter whether they have been always good. Today's recruiting target is probably 17 years old and at most can remember following basketball from age 6(?). Does it even matter that a team like UW absolutely sucked prior to that or that UCLA won 10 championships in 12 years.
OK--you are right, it probably does not matter to a 17 year old kid--which proves my point, we have had good success in the past 8 or 9 years under both Crean and Buzz, so we should be able to compete against the Dukes of the world for talent.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 25, 2013, 11:01:57 AM
OK--you are right, it probably does not matter to a 17 year old kid--which proves my point, we have had good success in the past 8 or 9 years under both Crean and Buzz, so we should be able to compete against the Dukes of the world for talent.
The success of UCLA is over, much Like MU's high success in the late 60's-70's is over. MU has made a recovery of sorts, not to the point Al had MU but Top 10-25 is still a major improvement over the late 80's-90's when MU fell off the mat. If Buzz stays at MU for 10-20 years more, many of the other coaches will have retired, which leaves Buzz a great possibility of being an major elite coach. The question is does Buzz leave for greener pastures or does he want to have a legacy at MU. Most 17 year old now have heard of MU, pr from Wade and
others really helps. This gets Buzz into more homes, can he close the deal or not, time will tell. The 5 kids he got this year seem to be high major players. This upcoming 2 years will tell
MU fans what the MU brand is all about. This years team if a point guard can show up will be really good. College is all about the point, so Duane Wilson will get his chance to shine or fail.
How much do you think the weather in Wisconsin has to do with this decision?
ZFB's buddy says today's going to be another rough weather day in the state.
http://www.youtube.com/v/pTqKSk-C6HQ
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 25, 2013, 11:16:50 AM
The success of UCLA is over, much Like MU's high success in the late 60's-70's is over. MU has made a recovery of sorts, not to the point Al had MU but Top 10-25 is still a major improvement over the late 80's-90's when MU fell off the mat. If Buzz stays at MU for 10-20 years more, many of the other coaches will have retired, which leaves Buzz a great possibility of being an major elite coach. The question is does Buzz leave for greener pastures or does he want to have a legacy at MU. Most 17 year old now have heard of MU, pr from Wade and
others really helps. This gets Buzz into more homes, can he close the deal or not, time will tell. The 5 kids he got this year seem to be high major players. This upcoming 2 years will tell
MU fans what the MU brand is all about. This years team if a point guard can show up will be really good. College is all about the point, so Duane Wilson will get his chance to shine or fail.
We'll know that the perception of MU has changed when we snag a 5 star recruit. Championship is automatic a couple years after (if Buzz stays).
Quote from: willie warrior on June 25, 2013, 11:01:57 AM
OK--you are right, it probably does not matter to a 17 year old kid--which proves my point, we have had good success in the past 8 or 9 years under both Crean and Buzz, so we should be able to compete against the Dukes of the world for talent.
I know we have had success the last 8 years, but comparing them to Duke's....come on...
MU - 8 Tournament Appearances, 3 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Reg Season Championship, Tourney Record of 9-8, Total Record of 191-85
Duke - 8 Tournament Appearances, 5 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, 1 Final Four, 1 National Championship, 2 Conference Reg Season Championships, 4 Conference Tournament Championships, Tourney Record of 16-7, Total Record of 236-51
Quote from: WarriorInDC on June 25, 2013, 12:05:10 PM
I know we have had success the last 8 years, but comparing them to Duke's....come on...
MU - 8 Tournament Appearances, 3 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Reg Season Championship, Tourney Record of 9-8, Total Record of 191-85
Duke - 8 Tournament Appearances, 5 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite Eights, 1 Final Four, 1 National Championship, 2 Conference Reg Season Championships, 4 Conference Tournament Championships, Tourney Record of 16-7, Total Record of 236-51
+1
Besides the success there are other things MU just cannot offer. I would think any high school player would love to play in a Duke/North Carolina game. The best we can offer is MU/UW, which is a real yawner to anyone outside of Wisconsin. You go to Duke, North Carolina, Kansas or Kentucky, because you expect to at least get to final four.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 25, 2013, 11:54:40 AM
We'll know that the perception of MU has changed when we snag a 5 star recruit. Championship is automatic a couple years after (if Buzz stays).
Wow. :o
A lot of shocking things are posted on here. This might take the cake as the most shocking ever.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 25, 2013, 12:52:12 PM
Wow. :o
A lot of shocking things are posted on here. This might take the cake as the most shocking ever.
Agreed, one 5 star athlete helps but it could have been Brian Butch, a nice player, but that is it. Al's best team was 1976, he had 5 NBA players starting, that is what you need.
Whitehead, Ellis, Tatum, Walton and Lee. All had a few years in the NBA. I do not know what stars they were, yes Bo and Butch were Top 5 players in there class, Tatum and Walton
were pretty high ranked, not sure about Jerome, but he had the longest career in the NBA. By the way, that team did not win the championship.
Quote from: Sunbelt15 on June 25, 2013, 11:54:40 AM
We'll know that the perception of MU has changed when we snag a 5 star recruit. Championship is automatic a couple years after (if Buzz stays).
Vander Blue was a five-star recruit.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Vander-Blue-76953
Quote from: Pakuni on June 25, 2013, 04:56:29 PM
Vander Blue was a five-star recruit.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Vander-Blue-76953
Good point, better than Brian Butch but still will have trouble making it depending on what team drafts him, hope he is not drafted, and the Bucks sign him. There is room for him here,
give him a year in the D-league and then he might make it. Needs lots of work, but no school and even DWade learned how to shot the ball after college. Vander showed great improvement from
soph to junior year, needs to take another jump to make the league.
Give Buzz 10 more years here and I'd put odds of another final four appearance around 90-95% and odds of a natty around 25%. I have that much confidence in him long term, but we're not in a position to get there overnight. We're certainly close though, and trending further in the right direction every day. Breathe in willie, then breathe out. Enjoy the ride.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 25, 2013, 04:56:29 PM
Vander Blue was a five-star recruit.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Vander-Blue-76953
According to one recruiting service.
I think Looney is making a mistake playing elsewhere. Going to "Becky" would really
screw his game up. Hope he makes it. Probably a one-n-done. We don't need him.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 25, 2013, 10:00:35 PM
I think Looney is making a mistake playing elsewhere. Going to "Becky" would really
screw his game up. Hope he makes it. Probably a one-n-done. We don't need him.
True, Marquette does not need Kevon Looney, but he sure would help a lot.
Also, there's no need to worry about Looney going to Wisconsin. It's not going to happen.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2013, 09:12:56 PM
According to one recruiting service.
Which by the rules of this board means he's a consensus five-star.
Quote from: bilsu on June 25, 2013, 12:32:20 PM
+1
Besides the success there are other things MU just cannot offer. I would think any high school player would love to play in a Duke/North Carolina game. The best we can offer is MU/UW, which is a real yawner to anyone outside of Wisconsin. You go to Duke, North Carolina, Kansas or Kentucky, because you expect to at least get to final four.
MU vs ND is on par with MU vs UW and if we set it to opposite of the UW series we can always guarantee a super big home game
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 27, 2013, 12:39:46 PM
MU vs ND is on par with MU vs UW and if we set it to opposite of the UW series we can always guarantee a super big home game
My guess is that the average recruit outside of Wisconsin would rather play in an MU game against ND than one against UW. The trouble is that ND is no longer on our schedule.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 25, 2013, 08:38:19 PM
Give Buzz 10 more years here and I'd put odds of another final four appearance around 90-95% and odds of a natty around 25%. I have that much confidence in him long term, but we're not in a position to get there overnight. We're certainly close though, and trending further in the right direction every day. Breathe in willie, then breathe out. Enjoy the ride.
Nice! Way to hedge your bets. Give him 10 years. Kind of like saying in 10 years our school system will be on track.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 27, 2013, 02:23:42 PM
Nice! Way to hedge your bets. Give him 10 years. Kind of like saying in 10 years our school system will be on track.
So you demand a national championship next year or else?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 25, 2013, 12:52:12 PM
Wow. :o
A lot of shocking things are posted on here. This might take the cake as the most shocking ever.
I think people don't realize how hard it is to be National Champions. You have to be good and lucky. Look at all the five stars the blue bloods get and they are more likely than not to get a NC. There are just too many good teams. The goal is to be in that circle of good teams and hope you get hot at the right time.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on June 27, 2013, 03:03:50 PM
I think people don't realize how hard it is to be National Champions. You have to be good and lucky. Look at all the five stars the blue bloods get and they are more likely than not to get a NC. There are just too many good teams. The goal is to be in that circle of good teams and hope you get hot at the right time.
That is true. And true in pretty much any of the upper echelon sports. Baseball might be the exception.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 27, 2013, 02:46:25 PM
So you demand a national championship next year or else?
No, I never said that. You did, within 10 years.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on June 27, 2013, 02:46:25 PM
So you demand a national championship next year or else?
For the less sanguine among us I would think that a continuation of the current level of success would be more than acceptable. Continuous visits to the Dance is a refreshing change from the immediate past.
Quote from: bilsu on June 27, 2013, 12:52:22 PM
My guess is that the average recruit outside of Wisconsin would rather play in an MU game against ND than one against UW. The trouble is that ND is no longer on our schedule.
My understanding is that both institutions were interested in keeping the rivalry going.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on June 28, 2013, 01:29:40 AM
My understanding is that both institutions were interested in keeping the rivalry going.
Warrior Chick said that Brey vetoed continuing the series with Marquette.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 25, 2013, 12:52:12 PM
Wow. :o
A lot of shocking things are posted on here. This might take the cake as the most shocking ever.
My point is one or two Top 25 recruits combined with Buzz coaching genius is a recipe for a national championship. We're making the Elite 8 with 3 and 4 star players.
You're telling me Vander was a 5 star shooting guard that majority of us feels can't shoot. Was he really a 5 star player. JJJ is considered a better shooter than Vander coming in, and he's only a 4 star.
Maybe I'm believing in Buzz a little too much?
Quote from: keefe on June 27, 2013, 08:24:15 PM
For the less sanguine among us I would think that a continuation of the current level of success would be more than acceptable. Continuous visits to the Dance is a refreshing change from the immediate past.
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Yes it is if you consider "immediate past as 10 years or longer ago". But many now want more, and that is OK.]
Quote from: keefe on June 28, 2013, 01:44:57 AM
Warrior Chick said that Brey vetoed continuing the series with Marquette.
Don't know if that is true, but it is par for No Dick arrogance. They think they are better than all others.
Quote from: keefe on June 27, 2013, 08:24:15 PM
For the less sanguine among us I would think that a continuation of the current level of success would be more than acceptable. Continuous visits to the Dance is a refreshing change from the immediate past.
6 or 7 years, I mean two years first weekend, two years sweet 16, one elite 8, so next year is an elite 8, then two years of final fours, then two in the national championship game and then we win it. Of course this is 90% hope but I believe that we will win.
As long as Buzz stays, MU will be in the discussion. A whole lot has to go right to win the it all. If the first 5 years of the Buzz regime are the new normal, I can live with it. 8 tourney wins in 5 years, vs. 5 wins in the previous 9 years? And prior to that.....3 wins in 20? I can live with this.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 28, 2013, 09:21:42 AM
Don't know if that is true, but it is par for No Dick arrogance. They think they are better than all others.
Chick and her hubby seem to be connected at MU so I would put some stock in her statement about Brey.
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2013, 03:43:36 PM
As long as Buzz stays, MU will be in the discussion. A whole lot has to go right to win the it all. If the first 5 years of the Buzz regime are the new normal, I can live with it. 8 tourney wins in 5 years, vs. 5 wins in the previous 9 years? And prior to that.....3 wins in 20? I can live with this.
It is more accurate to say that Marquette had one NCAA Tournament win in 8 years under the Bronzed Beast.
Give Crean his due. 190 wins in 9 years. 5 NCAA tourney wins. Worked his butt off to market MU. He had his flaws when he coached at MU, he still has some of them at IU.
There is an article on Rivals. Which were the top 6?
August 8, 2013
Five-star forward will set up visits next
Eric Bossi
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting
Five-star forward Kevon Looney has narrowed his list to six schools. Now he must plan official visits before making a decision.
I see on the wire that Looney's coach, Tom Diener is heading for Cedarburg to coach.
Hope we get a verbal from Terry Larier or Paul White.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on August 08, 2013, 03:45:11 PM
I see on the wire that Looney's coach, Tom Diener is heading for Cedarburg to coach.
Hope we get a verbal from Terry Larier or Paul White.
?? What the? What does this have to do with absolutely anything at all?
Just A coment
Quote from: wadesworld on August 08, 2013, 03:48:03 PM
?? What the? What does this have to do with absolutely anything at all?
Hey Tatum -- I appreciate the update on Deiner. I heard for a few months he was looking there and has been softly "recruiting" other parents to get their kids to go there -- his kid is a stud and going into 8th grade. He has coached his son's team to back-to-back state championships at Franklin and Cedarburg has a pretty good team in his son's grade. Thanks for the info.
Kevon plans to announce his decision in October. Wants it out of the way before his senior season.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 08, 2013, 03:19:26 PM
There is an article on Rivals. Which were the top 6?
August 8, 2013
Five-star forward will set up visits next
Eric Bossi
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting
Five-star forward Kevon Looney has narrowed his list to six schools. Now he must plan official visits before making a decision.
Per Scout:
Duke
Florida
Michigan State
Tennessee
UCLA
Wisconsin
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on August 09, 2013, 08:50:11 AM
Per Scout:
Duke
Florida
Michigan State
Tennessee
UCLA
Wisconsin
I would like to see him end up at Duke, Florida, or MSU. Incredible coaches at all 3 places. The other 3 are just blah.
I have no love for Wisconsin, but Bo Ryan is more than just a "blah" coach. He may not be at the level of K, Izzo or Donovan, but he is miles ahead of Alford and Martin.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
I have no love for Wisconsin, but Bo Ryan is more than just a "blah" coach. He may not be at the level of K, Izzo or Donovan, but he is miles ahead of Alford and Martin.
He is a great team coach. Individual players looking to play in the NBA... I'd go to one of the other schools.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 09, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
He is a great team coach. Individual players looking to play in the NBA... I'd go to one of the other schools.
Emphasis added benevolently.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 09, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
He is a great team coach. Individual players looking to play in the NBA... I'd go to one of the other schools.
I haven't looked it up, but it seems to me that Izzo falls into a similar category - given his teams' successes his players haven't exactly taken the NBA by storm.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 09, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
He is a great team coach. Individual players looking to play in the NBA... I'd go to one of the other schools.
I don't think if Looney goes to UW, his road to the NBA will be hampered in anyway. Remember the phrase the only person that could hold Michael Jordan under 20 ppg was Dean Smith? Talent will win out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 09, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
I haven't looked it up, but it seems to me that Izzo falls into a similar category - given his teams' successes his players haven't exactly taken the NBA by storm.
Is that because he doesn't coach them up...or because he is such a good coach that he gets them to win despite their talent deficiencies.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
I don't think if Looney goes to UW, his road to the NBA will be hampered in anyway. Remember the phrase the only person that could hold Michael Jordan under 20 ppg was Dean Smith? Talent will win out.
Is that because he doesn't coach them up...or because he is such a good coach that he gets them to win despite their talent deficiencies.
I'd like you to explain the curious case of Brian Butch to me then.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
I don't think if Looney goes to UW, his road to the NBA will be hampered in anyway.
That may be the reality. Unfortunately, you can rest assured that guys like Alford, Martin, and Donovan have no problem persuading recruits to believe the opposite.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
Is that because he doesn't coach them up...or because he is such a good coach that he gets them to win despite their talent deficiencies.
I'd say it's the latter. Knight had really good talent at IU (and 2 years of Isiah, who was great). Dean Smith had much more talent at UNC. Today you could say the same about Izzo and Roy Williams. IMO Knight and Izzo could/can coach circles around those guys.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 09, 2013, 09:37:08 AM
I'd like you to explain the curious case of Brian Butch to me then.
What is so curious about it? Butch was the #11 rated player according to Scout. Are we under the impression that a #11 rated player is sure-fire NBA? Here are the others rated in the same spot from the last few years.
'05 - Richard Hendrix (went to Alabama...drafted in second round...currently plays in Russia.)
'06 - Brook Lopez (NBA All Star)
'07 - DeAndre Jordan (went to Texas A&M...plays for Clippers and makes a bunch of highlight reels. Decent player.)
'08 - Delvon Roe (went to Michigan State...stopped his basketball career due to chronic injury)
'09 - Keith Gallon (aka "Tiny"...went to Oklahoma...currently in NBDL)
'10 - CJ Leslie (went to NC State...undrafted this year)
'11 - Myck Kabongo (went to Texas...had to sit due to inappropriate contact with agent...went undrafted)
'12 - Cameron Ridley (at Texas...not terribly impressive his freshman year)
We are under this impression that he somehow got his sure-fire NBA career derailed by Bo Ryan. However when you look at this list, you have one NBA all star and one other player on an NBA roster. Perhaps Roe would have made it as well, but the rest of them look pretty much destined for a career similar to Butch's.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 09, 2013, 09:37:08 AM
I'd like you to explain the curious case of Brian Butch to me then.
First and foremost, Butch was overrated. That said, I can't remember another player rated even close to #11 being redshirted. To me, that's Bo unnecessarily flexing his muscles and saying "I'm smarter than everybody else".
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 09:52:39 AM
What is so curious about it? Butch was the #11 rated player according to Scout. Are we under the impression that a #11 rated player is sure-fire NBA? Here are the others rated in the same spot from the last few years.
'05 - Richard Hendrix (went to Alabama...drafted in second round...currently plays in Russia.)
'06 - Brook Lopez (NBA All Star)
'07 - DeAndre Jordan (went to Texas A&M...plays for Clippers and makes a bunch of highlight reels. Decent player.)
'08 - Delvon Roe (went to Michigan State...stopped his basketball career due to chronic injury)
'09 - Keith Gallon (aka "Tiny"...went to Oklahoma...currently in NBDL)
'10 - CJ Leslie (went to NC State...undrafted this year)
'11 - Myck Kabongo (went to Texas...had to sit due to inappropriate contact with agent...went undrafted)
'12 - Cameron Ridley (at Texas...not terribly impressive his freshman year)
We are under this impression that he somehow got his sure-fire NBA career derailed by Bo Ryan. However when you look at this list, you have one NBA all star and one other player on an NBA roster. Perhaps Roe would have made it as well, but the rest of them look pretty much destined for a career similar to Butch's.
Look, I'm not saying that Ryan is a bad coach. He is far from it. But when you get the #11 player in the country, and then red shirt him, and he doesn't get a SNIFF from NBA scouts then something is probably off. That said, as a player I'd rather take my chances at Duke or Florida.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 09:06:34 AM
I have no love for Wisconsin, but Bo Ryan is more than just a "blah" coach. He may not be at the level of K, Izzo or Donovan, but he is miles ahead of Alford and Martin.
Definitely debatable he is miles ahead of Alford
OhmyGod--how does this happen. Wisky in his finals and we are not?
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 10:54:56 AM
Definitely debatable he is miles ahead of Alford
Really?
Steve Alford has gotten one team (Missouri State in 98-99) to the S16 in 17 years of D1 coaching.
Bo Ryan has five trips to the S16...one to the E8...in 14 years of D1 coaching. Not to mention his four national titles at Platteville, one of which he beat Alford head to head.
If given the choice, I would rather play for Cuonzo at Tennessee than for Alford.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 10:57:48 AM
OhmyGod--how does this happen. Wisky in his finals and we are not?
Most likely Wisky will celebrate winning the silver medal in the Looney sweepstakes (see Tokoto, JP) even though they're not really being considered.
Y'all can piss and moan all you want, but here are the facts. Kevon is a special, special talent both on and off the basketball court. I've come across a lot of athletes and kids along the way, but it's very rare to find one who has his values in check and possesses the athletic ability that Kevon possesses. If each of you could spend 15 minutes with him, you'd see what I mean. In addition, the support system behind him is incredible beginning with his parents and older brother and sister.
Seven years ago, he told me his goal was to play in the NBA. Yeah right, and I want to spend an evening with Bar Rafaeli. Well, guess what? My ship has sailed and Kevon's has become a luxury liner on an express route. I, for one, am pullin' hard for him and would not bet against his success.
I don't know which school, he'll select. But, whatever program it is, is getting a huge asset. Don't dismiss Bo. He has endeared himself to the Looney family and with good reason. The man's one hell of a coach. Having said that, I think Kevon will accept the challenge and take his game to the school with the most prestige both on and off the court. That bein' Duke.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 09, 2013, 11:41:49 AM
Y'all can piss and moan all you want, but here are the facts. Kevon is a special, special talent both on and off the basketball court. I've come across a lot of athletes and kids along the way, but it's very rare to find one who has his values in check and possesses the athletic ability that Kevon possesses. If each of you could spend 15 minutes with him, you'd see what I mean. In addition, the support system behind him is incredible beginning with his parents and older brother and sister.
Seven years ago, he told me his goal was to play in the NBA. Yeah right, and I want to spend an evening with Bar Rafaeli. Well, guess what? My ship has sailed and Kevon's has become a luxury liner on an express route. I, for one, am pullin' hard for him and would not bet against his success.
I don't know which school, he'll select. But, whatever program it is, is getting a huge asset. Don't dismiss Bo. He has endeared himself to the Looney family and with good reason. The man's one hell of a coach. Having said that, I think Kevon will accept the challenge and take his game to the school which the most prestige both on and off the court. That bein' Duke.
yeah, Bo is one hell of a coach. How did he do with that fiasco with the kid from Iowa who wanted out of his scholarship. In the end, Bo wanted to control where he could go to.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Really?
Steve Alford has gotten one team (Missouri State in 98-99) to the S16 in 17 years of D1 coaching.
Bo Ryan has five trips to the S16...one to the E8...in 14 years of D1 coaching. Not to mention his four national titles at Platteville, one of which he beat Alford head to head.
If given the choice, I would rather play for Cuonzo at Tennessee than for Alford.
Agree. Alford's a bit of a snake. I hear nothing but good things about Cuonzo - the fact that he's on Looney's final list is impressive.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 10:57:48 AM
OhmyGod--how does this happen. Wisky in his finals and we are not?
Because Buzz is smart enough to know that wasting resources in a recruit that everyone can see wants to leave the state is a waste of time. Bo didn't learn that with Tokoto and clearly hasn't learned it with Looney.
Brew
I do not disagree on spending time on guys you feel you can get and passing on guys you cannot. That said, it would have been nice to see us on final schools. If I were Buzz that would have been a priority to me. Sounds like Looney and his family are stand up people and possibly Buzz could have just sold the importance on being on the final cut of schools.
Cuonzo has been on him since takin' over at UT. Buzz quit recruitin' him some time ago. Likely, knew Kevon preferred to leave town.
Quote from: Goose on August 09, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
Brew
I do not disagree on spending time on guys you feel you can get and passing on guys you cannot. That said, it would have been nice to see us on final schools. If I were Buzz that would have been a priority to me. Sounds like Looney and his family are stand up people and possibly Buzz could have just sold the importance on being on the final cut of schools.
Eh...
There is no reason to try to get in the final list if you have no shot. Better to cut bait early and move on.
Looney prefers to leave home to attend school. Pretty certain he never specified the urge to leave the state.
Quote from: Goose on August 09, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
Brew
I do not disagree on spending time on guys you feel you can get and passing on guys you cannot. That said, it would have been nice to see us on final schools. If I were Buzz that would have been a priority to me. Sounds like Looney and his family are stand up people and possibly Buzz could have just sold the importance on being on the final cut of schools.
Losing a close recruiting battle and losing an obviously lost recruiting battle has the same end result. In 5 years, will anyone care who was second for Looney? No. Neither should anyone care about who will be second now. There is no point on pursuing a lost recruit. Better that Buzz spend time on a recruit like Larrier we still have a chance with than putting on a show for someone like Looney we can't get. That's why being out early is a good thing. Saves wasted time and resources.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
yeah, Bo is one hell of a coach. How did he do with that fiasco with the kid from Iowa who wanted out of his scholarship. In the end, Bo wanted to control where he could go to.
Yup, Bo is a real superstar. ::) Let me know when he finally beats a higher seeded team in the tourney.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 09, 2013, 11:41:49 AM
Y'all can piss and moan all you want, but here are the facts. Kevon is a special, special talent both on and off the basketball court. I've come across a lot of athletes and kids along the way, but it's very rare to find one who has his values in check and possesses the athletic ability that Kevon possesses. If each of you could spend 15 minutes with him, you'd see what I mean. In addition, the support system behind him is incredible beginning with his parents and older brother and sister.
Seven years ago, he told me his goal was to play in the NBA. Yeah right, and I want to spend an evening with Bar Rafaeli. Well, guess what? My ship has sailed and Kevon's has become a luxury liner on an express route. I, for one, am pullin' hard for him and would not bet against his success.
I don't know which school, he'll select. But, whatever program it is, is getting a huge asset. Don't dismiss Bo. He has endeared himself to the Looney family and with good reason. The man's one hell of a coach. Having said that, I think Kevon will accept the challenge and take his game to the school with the most prestige both on and off the court. That bein' Duke.
Sorry about that Bar Rafaeli thing. Maybe set the bar a little lower say Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton or someone of that ilk.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 09, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
Eh...
There is no reason to try to get in the final list if you have no shot. Better to cut bait early and move on.
Agree. Spending resources just to make someone's "final list" can prove productive for a new coach like Cuonzo or a down program trying to rebuild. Otherwise it's a fool's errand.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 09, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Yup, Bo is a real superstar. ::) Let me know when he finally beats a higher seeded team in the tourney.
He did that once.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 09, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Yup, Bo is a real superstar. ::) Let me know when he finally beats a higher seeded team in the tourney.
Don't forget Bo's amazing history of placing kids in the NBA, especially early commits.
Quote from: forgetful on August 09, 2013, 01:12:22 PM
Don't forget Bo's amazing history of placing kids in the NBA, especially early commits.
And his incredible ability to take McD's All-Americans like Brian Butch and have them end up actually working at McDonalds.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 09, 2013, 12:58:25 PM
Agree. Spending resources just to make someone's "final list" can prove productive for a new coach like Cuonzo or a down program trying to rebuild. Otherwise it's a fool's errand.
I remember O'Neill while at MU ridiculing coaches who bragged about getting home visits with recruits they had no chance to land.
Here's why you don't bother chasing after Kevon Looney if his mind is set on leaving home to go to college:
Davante Gardner.
I'd much rather see Buzz beating the bushes to find someone that he sees something in that he can work with and develop into an all league player.
Quote from: hairyworthen on August 09, 2013, 12:46:52 PM
Sorry about that Bar Rafaeli thing. Maybe set the bar a little lower say Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton or someone of that ilk.
If you set the bar that low, you get the sandwich threesome: Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno and Donna Shalala. Man what a lovefest that would be. Throw in Janet Napolitano and you have a finalist team for Miss America.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 02:32:08 PM
If you set the bar that low, you get the sandwich threesome: Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno and Donna Shalala. Man what a lovefest that would be. Throw in Janet Napolitano and you have a finalist team for Miss America.
Thanks now I have to drink heavily tonight to get that image out of my head
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 02:32:08 PM
If you set the bar that low, you get the sandwich threesome: Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno and Donna Shalala. Man what a lovefest that would be. Throw in Janet Napolitano and you have a finalist team for Miss America.
Hey, those are the 4 pinups that Tall Titan has in his bedroom!
Quote from: willie warrior on August 09, 2013, 02:32:08 PM
If you set the bar that low, you get the sandwich threesome: Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno and Donna Shalala. Man what a lovefest that would be. Throw in Janet Napolitano and you have a finalist team for Miss America.
I've seen a few of the guys who post on this site. They'd be lucky to get even one from that group.
Quote from: Groin_pull on August 09, 2013, 06:10:50 PM
I've seen a few of the guys who post on this site. They'd be lucky to get even one from that group.
Is that what you would call it, "lucky"?
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 09, 2013, 12:30:15 PM
Because Buzz is smart enough to know that wasting resources in a recruit that everyone can see wants to leave the state is a waste of time. Bo didn't learn that with Tokoto and clearly hasn't learned it with Looney.
+1
Though it sucks that Gtown is off his list. If he's not at MU, I'd at least like to see him in the league. Oh well.
Looney is special and I hoped that we could have a chance at landing him.
Best of luck to Kevon. Rep Wisconsin well wherever you go...unless it's in Rodent Red!
TWITTA TRACKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Quote@Loon_Rebel5
Go to Marquette. You, Duane, deonte, jajuan, diamond, c'mon! — they been stop recruiting me http://ask.fm/a/5olql7bb
So... Buzz actually DID cool on him?
There is a very interesting name in that Looney tweet. 'Diamond' has been trying to get him to go to Marquette ?!?!?!?!?!
Quote from: tower912 on August 26, 2013, 05:59:10 AM
There is a very interesting name in that Looney tweet. 'Diamond' has been trying to get him to go to Marquette ?!?!?!?!?!
Not a big tweeter guy, but who exactly is Looney "tweeting"to? The "Go to MU" line. And yes, very strange if MU gave up on him. Maybe the MU staff monitors such social media messages.
You guys are complete misreading this tweet. He was asked a number of questions last night and he was giving responses.
The "Go to Marquette. You, Duane, deonte, jajuan, diamond, c'mon!" was written by someone else.
The response by Looney included the above, and he added "they been stop recruiting me"
He went on to say "idk why they stopped," but I am pretty sure they stopped because they didn't think they had a chance.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 26, 2013, 07:34:42 AM
You guys are complete misreading this tweet. He was asked a number of questions last night and he was giving responses.
The "Go to Marquette. You, Duane, deonte, jajuan, diamond, c'mon!" was written by someone else.
The response by Looney included that, and he added "they been stop recruiting me"
He went on to say "idk why they stopped," but I am pretty sure they stopped because they didn't think they had a chance.
and I thank you. Knew something was off.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 26, 2013, 07:34:42 AM
You guys are complete misreading this tweet. He was asked a number of questions last night and he was giving responses.
The "Go to Marquette. You, Duane, deonte, jajuan, diamond, c'mon!" was written by someone else.
The response by Looney included the above, and he added "they been stop recruiting me"
He went on to say "idk why they stopped," but I am pretty sure they stopped because they didn't think they had a chance.
He also doesn't say when MU stopped recruiting him, although I don't think MU's been mentioned with him for a while now.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 26, 2013, 07:34:42 AM
You guys are complete misreading this tweet. He was asked a number of questions last night and he was giving responses.
The "Go to Marquette. You, Duane, deonte, jajuan, diamond, c'mon!" was written by someone else.
The response by Looney included the above, and he added "they been stop recruiting me"
He went on to say "idk why they stopped," but I am pretty sure they stopped because they didn't think they had a chance.
Old guy reads young guy's tweet incorrect. Oy. Thanks for the proper grammatical interpretation.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 09, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Hey, those are the 4 pinups that Tall Titan has in his bedroom!
Woah woah woah. Only three. There's no Reno.
This topic should read that MU quit recruiting Looney.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 26, 2013, 07:34:42 AM
"they been stop recruiting me"
I pray this is the result of twitter character limitation
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 06:29:23 PM
I pray this is the result of twitter character limitation
Clearly an academic risk. Not going to the great land grant university.
Translated you are saying that he could not make it academically at MU.
Sarcasm :)
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 26, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
He also doesn't say when MU stopped recruiting him, although I don't think MU's been mentioned with him for a while now.
Not the first time Looney said that...I remember hearing him saying the same around the beginning of the year. Pretty sure Marquette backed off quite awhile ago.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 26, 2013, 07:34:42 AM
"they been stop recruiting me"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 06:29:23 PM
I pray this is the result of twitter character limitation
Except, "they stopped recruiting me" uses fewer characters.
FYI, he is making his decision on Thursday.
Quote from: nyg on October 29, 2013, 12:37:46 PM
FYI, he is making his decision on Thursday.
Consensus is Duke, with Tennessee having an outside chance.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 29, 2013, 12:41:07 PM
Consensus is Duke, with Tennessee having an outside chance.
Of course, I understand Duke... but how in the world did Tennessee get to be an "outside chance"?
Quote from: Benny B on October 29, 2013, 02:00:26 PM
Of course, I understand Duke... but how in the world did Tennessee get to be an "outside chance"?
Dad is from Tennessee and lots of family in the area...that's at least the theory.
Quote from: Benny B on October 29, 2013, 02:00:26 PM
Of course, I understand Duke... but how in the world did Tennessee get to be an "outside chance"?
1) Kevin O'Neill the architect of all of MU's Post Al success built a real winner there
2) UT Assistant Coach Jon Harris, MU '02 knows recruiting, he learned at the foot of the master, Mike Deane.
247 Sports has twenty something guys saying Duke, nobody saying anyone else. Lots of guys on the UW boards like their chances, though.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 29, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
247 Sports has twenty something guys saying Duke, nobody saying anyone else. Lots of guys on the UW boards like their chances, though.
Nothing to worry about in Madison, I'm sure they'll come in 2nd. Do you still get a booby prize for that?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 29, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
247 Sports has twenty something guys saying Duke, nobody saying anyone else. Lots of guys on the UW boards like their chances, though.
Music to Chico's ears. Would love a recruiting feather in Bo's cap + a muscoop meltdown for the ultimate "I told you so."
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 29, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
247 Sports has twenty something guys saying Duke, nobody saying anyone else. Lots of guys on the UW boards like their chances, though.
Moments before Looney announcement: We've got a great shot at the kid.
Moments after Looney announcement: Bo cooled on him when he saw the kid's transcripts. Also, his parents suck.
Has anyone read my posts in the past?
Quote from: Jajuannaman on October 29, 2013, 02:15:13 PM
Music to Chico's ears. Would love a recruiting feather in Bo's cap + a muscoop meltdown for the ultimate "I told you so."
If I had a dollar for every time a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos....I'd have 27 dollars (at least since I've been counting)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 29, 2013, 02:55:43 PM
If I had a dollar for every time a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos....I'd have 27 dollars (at least since I've been counting)
So you started yesterday?
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 29, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
So you started yesterday?
I don't read every thread, haha
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 29, 2013, 02:55:43 PM
If I had a dollar for every time a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos....I'd have 27 dollars (at least since I've been counting)
It was funny for awhile when 4ever and a couple others did it. Now it's just too popular and makes me support Chicos more than the antagonizers.
Quote from: PTM on October 29, 2013, 03:27:01 PM
It was funny for awhile when 4ever and a couple others did it. Now it's just too popular and makes me support Chicos more than the antagonizers.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
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Don't push it.
Quote from: PTM on October 29, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Don't push it.
Multiple double entendres to be had there.
I will continue to keep the subject up and out there.
Quote from: elephantraker on October 29, 2013, 05:43:41 PM
I will continue to keep the subject up and out there.
Push it...?
Did he kiss us goodbye on the lips at least?
Would have been great to see him play at MU. But would rather see him in rodent red than Dukie blue. Would much rather and see him represent WI. in our own state at either MU or UW. I hate seeing our best going to other states programs.
Quote from: raul on October 29, 2013, 11:04:37 PM
Would have been great to see him play at MU. But would rather see him in rodent red than Dukie blue. Would much rather and see him represent WI. in our own state at either MU or UW. I hate seeing our best going to other states programs.
Duke is not a state program, but I understand your view.
If he were to go to Wisky, it'll be awesome beating him. ;)
Quote from: raul on October 29, 2013, 11:04:37 PM
Would have been great to see him play at MU. But would rather see him in rodent red than Dukie blue. Would much rather and see him represent WI. in our own state at either MU or UW. I hate seeing our best going to other states programs.
I'd much rather have him go to Duke. Not even a question for me.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
I'd much rather have him go to Duke. Not even a question for me.
Same here. It's that "always pull for the state!" nonsense that makes me hate UW that much more.
I understand the UW hatred and I feel the same, but to see our best leaving to programs in other states is in effect saying Wisconsin is second rate and that is not the case. We have 2 big time programs in MU and UW here in WI. and it should be the exception when our best talent leave state to play BB. Perception in time becomes reality.
Quote from: raul on October 30, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
I understand the UW hatred and I feel the same, but to see our best leaving to programs in other states is in effect saying Wisconsin is second rate and that is not the case. We have 2 big time programs in MU and UW here in WI. and it should be the exception when our best talent leave state to play BB. Perception in time becomes reality.
Juan is from California. Thus, WI>CA. Cool!
Quote from: wadesworld on October 30, 2013, 06:20:26 AM
Juan is from California. Thus, WI>CA. Cool!
Yeah, screw those "happy" California cows. Real cows come from Wisconsin!
Quote from: raul on October 30, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
I understand the UW hatred and I feel the same, but to see our best leaving to programs in other states is in effect saying Wisconsin is second rate and that is not the case. We have 2 big time programs in MU and UW here in WI. and it should be the exception when our best talent leave state to play BB. Perception in time becomes reality.
Not really. There have been plenty of good players who have left their home states for the likes of Duke.
Quote from: raul on October 30, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
I understand the UW hatred and I feel the same, but to see our best leaving to programs in other states is in effect saying Wisconsin is second rate and that is not the case. We have 2 big time programs in MU and UW here in WI. and it should be the exception when our best talent leave state to play BB. Perception in time becomes reality.
I don't view it that way at all. If that was that case, why should we both recruiting Illinois, Georgia, Texas, etc. It's ok for us to take, but not to give?
Plenty of top Wisconsin players stay home to play....I would just like most of them to go to MU. When there is a very special player and he isn't going to MU, I don't want him going to our biggest in state rival.
And on the bright side, if he goes to Madison, that should translate to a boost in our RPI.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 30, 2013, 08:28:42 AM
I don't view it that way at all. If that was that case, why should we both recruiting Illinois, Georgia, Texas, etc. It's ok for us to take, but not to give?
Plenty of top Wisconsin players stay home to play....I would just like most of them to go to MU. When there is a very special player and he isn't going to MU, I don't want him going to our biggest in state rival.
It is OK for us to take, from any state, but it is not OK to give. Keep all the good ones instate, and preferably at MU--not UW.
Duke and North Carolina will come to Wisconsin to get a five star. MU will only get a recruit from North Carolina, if Duke and North Carolina do not want them.
Quote from: bilsu on October 30, 2013, 02:05:08 PM
Duke and North Carolina will come to Wisconsin to get a five star. MU will only get a recruit from North Carolina, if Duke and North Carolina do not want them.
Yup, such is the way of life.
NM. Couldn't figure out what the date is today.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 30, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
NM. Couldn't figure out what the date is today.
Will announce tomorrow morning - I don't think Duke is too worried.
Hmmm.
Evan Daniels @EvanDanielsFOX
One coach involved with the Kevon Looney recruitment told me: "Strangest recruitment ever."
Quote from: Pakuni on October 30, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Hmmm.
Evan Daniels @EvanDanielsFOX
One coach involved with the Kevon Looney recruitment told me: "Strangest recruitment ever."
Have they seen his dentist? :D
Quote from: Pakuni on October 30, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Hmmm.
Evan Daniels @EvanDanielsFOX
One coach involved with the Kevon Looney recruitment told me: "Strangest recruitment ever."
We got him, baby!
Boosters don't get involved ;D
247 sports is taking a turn from Duke to Florida all of a sudden. Floridas getting a hell of a class if true
Quote from: 2012 Warrior on October 30, 2013, 07:33:55 PM
247 sports is taking a turn from Duke to Florida all of a sudden. Floridas getting a hell of a class if true
I think Duke will be okay Tyus Jones and J. Okafor.
Quote from: 2012 Warrior on October 30, 2013, 07:33:55 PM
247 sports is taking a turn from Duke to Florida all of a sudden. Floridas getting a hell of a class if true
247sports has been talking to me http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39703.msg520068#msg520068
Quote from: Pakuni on October 30, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Hmmm.
Evan Daniels @EvanDanielsFOX
One coach involved with the Kevon Looney recruitment told me: "Strangest recruitment ever."
Why not take five official visits to five schools you don't plan on attending? Heck, if they're throwing the hostesses at you for a weekend, might as well take advantage... especially if you're going to be at a place like MU for the next four years.
Quote from: Benny B on October 30, 2013, 11:06:09 PM
Why not take five official visits to five schools you don't plan on attending? Heck, if they're throwing the hostesses at you for a weekend, might as well take advantage... especially if you're going to be at a place like MU for the next four years.
Groundwork on why Bo cooled on him.
Quote from: Benny B on October 30, 2013, 11:06:09 PM
Why not take five official visits to five schools you don't plan on attending? Heck, if they're throwing the hostesses at you for a weekend, might as well take advantage... especially if you're going to be at a place like MU for the next four years.
Some of us are good kids with strong morals.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 30, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Some of us are good kids with strong morals.
Are you referring to posters on MUSCOOP?
Apparently superintendant pulled the plug on the Looney press conference today. per JP Cadorin
Quote from: MARQCAT on October 31, 2013, 10:39:51 AM
Apparently superintendant pulled the plug on the Looney press conference today. per JP Cadorin
Really bizarre. By all accounts Looney is a good kid and a good student. Wouldn't you want to show off one of your successes if you were MPS?
Quote from: MARQCAT on October 31, 2013, 10:39:51 AM
Apparently superintendant pulled the plug on the Looney press conference today. per JP Cadorin
Must be a Badger fan.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 30, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Some of us are good kids with strong morals.
Yet another benefit of Marquette -- the ability to go to confession anytime between orientation and graduation.
Quote from: Litehouse on October 31, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
Must be a Badger fan.
He got his MA from Salisbury State University... I think that's the school that was founded by the owner of Swansons.
Really, he had to pull the presser this mornin'. Hell, I knew this was goin' down a month ago. Nothin' like pissin' on an MPS'er who brings some positive attention to the cesspool.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 10:54:42 AM
Really, he had to pull the presser this mornin'. Hell, I knew this was goin' down a month ago. Nothin' like pissin' on an MPS'er who brings some positive attention to the cesspool.
What a jag.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 30, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Some of us are good kids with strong morals.
Some of us are adults.
Duke boards reporting that the announcement will be made on espn milwaukee at 2pm (CST).
Quote from: MARQCAT on October 31, 2013, 11:16:47 AM
Duke boards reporting that the announcement will be made on espn milwaukee at 2pm (CST).
This is also all over Twitter, if one were to track that sort of thing....
twitter tracker
Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 1m
Tom Diener confirms Kevon Looney will announce today at 1 p.m. at Milwaukee Hamilton.
twittertracker
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/395971480632430592
"All my guys are saying they have NO clue. Kept everyone in dark.RT @DylanCogdill: @GoodmanESPN what's your guy telling you for Looney today?"
Jerry Meyer said his source says UCLA or Florida.
Rob Hernandez just tweeted it is UCLA
wooooow
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 30, 2013, 09:47:36 PM
247sports has been talking to me http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39703.msg520068#msg520068
Nope.
Anyone stop by the badger boards? Meltdown? Or did Bo cool on Looney?
Steve Alford huh, yeesh.
Congratulations Kevin. Enjoy sunny California.
What time do his parents have to leave Milwaukee to drive to Westwood twice each week?
Dang! I did not see that one coming. Bully for Alford
Mark Miller with the zinger today!
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/395977141906460672
"Kevon Looney turned down some outstanding college coaches in order to play at UCLA."
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 31, 2013, 01:15:34 PM
Anyone stop by the badger boards? Meltdown? Or did Bo cool on Looney?
I checked Buckyville just for a laugh. Most seemed to recognize that they didn't have a chance. The biggest sentiment I'm seeing is "Why get coached by Alford when you can get coached by Ryan?"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 31, 2013, 01:20:05 PM
What time do his parents have to leave Milwaukee to drive to Westwood twice each week?
Victoria told me they may just move to LA.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 01:30:02 PM
Victoria told me they may just move to LA.
Will Adidas pick up the moving bill?
Thank God his decision is done so we can get our focus back to Scrabble and gluten.
Quote from: LAZER on October 31, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Steve Alford huh, yeesh.
Really? Looks like the UCLA hire is already paying benefits. A guy from Indiana by way of Mo., Iowa. and NM goes to a down trending UCLA program and snaps up one of the best studs from our own backyard.
that's a BIG surprise!!! Good luck Kevon!!!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 01:30:02 PM
Victoria told me they may just move to LA.
Jobs already arranged for all?
That has to be the most random, out of the blue pick by an elite player in some time. Never once heard that Alford was on him. Oh, well, at least is wasn't Wisconsin.
Good for Kevon.
Best of luck to him and his family.
Did KL at least say Bucky was a close second place??
So all of those gurus had Duke a day ago some switching to Fla.
Maybe they don't know sheet after all.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 31, 2013, 01:33:46 PM
Really? Looks like the UCLA hire is already paying benefits. A guy from Indiana by way of Mo., Iowa. and NM goes to a down trending UCLA program and snaps up one of the best studs from our own backyard.
What part of "I want to go away for college" don't you understand? Buzz knew that from very early on, and this decision proves it. You can't handcuff a kid in state. Sometimes being the in-state program hurts you. I know I wanted to get away from home for college. I considered zero in-state schools. Marquette was one of the closest I applied to, and it was an 11.5 hour drive.
Quote from: tower912 on October 31, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
That has to be the most random, out of the blue pick by an elite player in some time. Never once heard that Alford was on him. Oh, well, at least is wasn't Wisconsin.
Didn't someone (coach?) say this was the strangest recruitment he had ever seen?
Quote from: willie warrior on October 31, 2013, 01:33:46 PM
Really? Looks like the UCLA hire is already paying benefits. A guy from Indiana by way of Mo., Iowa. and NM goes to a down trending UCLA program and snaps up one of the best studs from our own backyard.
I'll take MU's '14 class over UCLA's.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 31, 2013, 01:37:42 PM
Did KL at least say Bucky was a close second place??
So all of those gurus had Duke a day ago some switching to Fla.
Maybe they don't know sheet after all.
Trend was Duke, then Florida, then Tennessee in the last days/hours.
How many of y'all have spent any time in Westwood? Gorgeous and refurbished facilities. Commitment renewed to hoops. Has family in SoCal along with Nick Young (1st cousin). UCLA obviously put on a tremendous presentation.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 31, 2013, 01:44:38 PM
Trend was Duke, then Florida, then Tennessee in the last days/hours.
I remember someone or another mentioning Uclah, but this is a surprise.
Remember Alford's commitment to UCLA & vice versa is real. That unique contract helps recruiting - most don't help much. Good luck to Looney. PAC 12 can use the help!
Quote from: mu-rara on October 31, 2013, 01:48:02 PM
I remember someone or another mentioning Uclah, but this is a surprise.
Wasn't that 4ever who was? Props, man...
Quote from: Captain Awesome on October 31, 2013, 02:01:54 PM
Wasn't that 4ever who was? Props, man...
It's an unfair advantage, man, when you get it from the horse's mouth.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
It's an unfair advantage, man, when you get it from the horse's mouth.
You want to start braggin' in your signature?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
It's an unfair advantage, man, when you get it from the horse's mouth.
you old enough to get grandfathered in to get licensed to poke teeth in CA? You can bunk with the Bailbondsman while you find yourself a new crib.
UCLA has a great campus, great weather, academics and co-eds aren't bad either. Maybe he gets homesick being so far from home and pulls a Jamil Wilson. Good luck to him.
No problem, kin. I have the papers on my desk to be licensed by credential. Thanks for axin', doe.
Thought you said Bo had a chance....
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
It's an unfair advantage, man, when you get it from the horse's mouth.
I thought you said if Coach K offered it was over?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
It's an unfair advantage, man, when you get it from the horse's mouth.
Quote from: nyg on October 31, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
UCLA has a great campus, great weather, academics and co-eds aren't bad either. Maybe he gets homesick being so far from home and pulls a Jamil Wilson. Good luck to him.
Agreed on all counts. But getting into/out of Westwood is hell. The absolute worst.
Sure, I said all those things. No reason whatsoever needed to validate my comments as there was never 1 word of hyperbole or falsehood uttered. Recruitin' is an ever volitile activity, especially when so many are involved. I stand by every statement I've ever made concerning Kevon, whether they were direct quotes or as I've qualified, opinions.
One thing is for sure. Bucky never had a chance. Token name on this list and that is it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/five-star-forward-kevon-looney-surprise-commitment-momentum-193457244--ncaab.html
Yahoo story on his decision.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 01:46:49 PM
How many of y'all have spent any time in Westwood? Gorgeous and refurbished facilities. Commitment renewed to hoops. Has family in SoCal along with Nick Young (1st cousin). UCLA obviously put on a tremendous presentation.
Yeah...but...Steve Alford. Honestly he's a complete underperformer. He makes Bo Ryan look clutch.
UCLA has a GREAT new arena. Homey, comfortable but no Bradley Center.
Surprised but glad he picked a powerhouse that has had some difficult times.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 31, 2013, 04:37:37 PM
Yeah...but...Steve Alford. Honestly he's a complete underperformer. He makes Bo Ryan look clutch.
I assume you are rating him as an underperformer as a coach, not as a basketball player. Maybe you should define that. I have not looked it up, but I believe that he either won or was runner up D3 championship. He also won a couple of Big 10 tourney championships. Several conference championships at New Mexico. Turned around SW Mo. program, and I believe he took them to the Sweet 16 one year, or at least won a tourney game there. And since all of that, then he underperformed his way to the Head Coach at UCLA--probably the most storied program in country. Lots of underperforming there. Now he has the facilities, alumni base, money and program. Not to mention the underperforming gonads he had to take that job in that high pressure cooker.
Yeah, I guess he is a big time underperformer. No he has not won an NCAA championship, but other than a handful of current coaches, nobody else has either.
OK, Mr. expert analysts, you are right as usual.--he is a huge underperformer
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 31, 2013, 05:10:04 PM
UCLA has a GREAT new arena. Homey, comfortable but no Bradley Center.
Surprised but glad he picked a powerhouse that has had some difficult times.
3 Final Fours in the last 8 years....I wish we had those difficult times.
;)
Picked UCLA over Tennessee
Best of luck to him. I can see him play a few games which is nice.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 06:06:21 PM
3 Final Fours in the last 8 years....I wish we had those difficult times.
;)
I think he's referring to the 5 years after that 3rd final four.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 31, 2013, 04:37:37 PM
Yeah...but...Steve Alford. Honestly he's a complete underperformer. He makes Bo Ryan look clutch.
Not to mention the fact that he's a complete tool.
Quote from: LAZER on October 31, 2013, 06:25:25 PM
I think he's referring to the 5 years after that 3rd final four.
Yeah. Two NCAA tournament wins, two years not making ANY tourney, one under .500 season. By UCLA standards (or MU standards under Buzz) the last 5 years have been pretty grim for the Bruins.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 31, 2013, 05:49:16 PM
I assume you are rating him as an underperformer as a coach, not as a basketball player. Maybe you should define that. I have not looked it up, but I believe that he either won or was runner up D3 championship. He also won a couple of Big 10 tourney championships. Several conference championships at New Mexico. Turned around SW Mo. program, and I believe he took them to the Sweet 16 one year, or at least won a tourney game there. And since all of that, then he underperformed his way to the Head Coach at UCLA--probably the most storied program in country. Lots of underperforming there. Now he has the facilities, alumni base, money and program. Not to mention the underperforming gonads he had to take that job in that high pressure cooker.
Yeah, I guess he is a big time underperformer. No he has not won an NCAA championship, but other than a handful of current coaches, nobody else has either.
OK, Mr. expert analysts, you are right as usual.--he is a huge underperformer
Woah... Didn't realize that willie is actually Pierre Pierce.
Alford is a complete underachiever as a head coach. At Iowa and New Mexico, he won a grand total of 3 NCAA tournament games. And, he is the only coach to lose as 3 seed to a 14 twice. Plus, he's a complete POS.
UCLA will regret hiring him.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 31, 2013, 05:49:16 PM
I assume you are rating him as an underperformer as a coach, not as a basketball player. Maybe you should define that. I have not looked it up, but I believe that he either won or was runner up D3 championship. He also won a couple of Big 10 tourney championships. Several conference championships at New Mexico. Turned around SW Mo. program, and I believe he took them to the Sweet 16 one year, or at least won a tourney game there. And since all of that, then he underperformed his way to the Head Coach at UCLA--probably the most storied program in country. Lots of underperforming there. Now he has the facilities, alumni base, money and program. Not to mention the underperforming gonads he had to take that job in that high pressure cooker.
Yeah, I guess he is a big time underperformer. No he has not won an NCAA championship, but other than a handful of current coaches, nobody else has either.
OK, Mr. expert analysts, you are right as usual.--he is a huge underperformer
18 years as a D1 head coach....
SWM: 1 tournament in four years. Beat two higher seeds to reach S16.
Iowa : 3 tournaments in 8 years. Once lost to a lower seed. Never beat a higher seed.
New Mexico: 3 tournaments in 6 years. Twice lost to a lower seed. Never beat a higher seed.
Can't get it done when it matters most. Underachiever.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 31, 2013, 05:49:16 PM
I assume you are rating him as an underperformer as a coach, not as a basketball player. Maybe you should define that. I have not looked it up, but I believe that he either won or was runner up D3 championship. He also won a couple of Big 10 tourney championships. Several conference championships at New Mexico. Turned around SW Mo. program, and I believe he took them to the Sweet 16 one year, or at least won a tourney game there. And since all of that, then he underperformed his way to the Head Coach at UCLA--probably the most storied program in country. Lots of underperforming there. Now he has the facilities, alumni base, money and program. Not to mention the underperforming gonads he had to take that job in that high pressure cooker.
Yeah, I guess he is a big time underperformer. No he has not won an NCAA championship, but other than a handful of current coaches, nobody else has either.
OK, Mr. expert analysts, you are right as usual.--he is a huge underperformer
I'm kind of sorry that Sultan didn't laud Alford as a coach on the rise, so we could get your take on what a failure Alford is.
Quote from: LAZER on October 31, 2013, 06:25:25 PM
I think he's referring to the 5 years after that 3rd final four.
Probably, though they were hardly dregs. They won the conference title this past year. Howland was fired because he couldn't recruit the southland anymore and his style was considered a problem. Plenty of off the court problems as well.
I dream of the day MU goes to back to back Final Fours, let alone three straight or 3 in 8 years. Especially since we have gone to one in the last 30.
On a few other topics brought up here....UCLA women are cute, but nothing compared to other campuses here. UCLA does not have a new arena, they have a refurbished Pauley Pavilion.
UCLA might regret signing him, especially with that contract....they are stuck with him either way.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 31, 2013, 07:44:34 PM
I'm kind of sorry that Sultan didn't laud Alford as a coach on the rise, so we could get your take on what a failure Alford is.
Exactly.
Ya think if I tell Kevon he's gonna have to fly Southwest Airlines for road trips he might rethink his decision?
Just to play devil's advocate, doesn't the starting point count?
New Mexico had only been to the NCAAs 10 times the previous 75 years before he got there and had gone only one time since 1999. Not exactly stepping into a hot program with the cupboard full.
Missouri State had won one NCAA tournament game in their history, his teams doubled that.
Iowa....that's where I think he underperformed.
I would argue he did just fine at UNM and SWMS considering the history, the recent lack of success, etc. at those institutions. He did something at SWMS that had never been done, isn't that overperforming? At UNM, took over a so-so program of recency and won four conference championships in five years....never been done in the history of the program. Isn't that over performing when you do something that had never been done before?
Not all situations are equal. I guess we'll find out how he does at UCLA.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
Just to play devil's advocate, doesn't the starting point count?
New Mexico had only been to the NCAAs 10 times the previous 75 years before he got there and had gone only one time since 1999. Not exactly stepping into a ready made program. He won several conference titles, etc.
Missouri State had won one NCAA tournament game in their history, his teams doubled that.
Iowa....that's where I think he underperformed.
I would argue he did just fine at UNM and SWMS considering the history, the recent lack of success, etc. at those institutions. He did something at SWMS that had never been done, isn't that overperforming? At UNM, took over a so-so program and won four conference championships in five years....never been done in the history of the program. Isn't that over performing when you do something that had never been done before?
Not all situations are equal. I guess we'll find out how he does at UCLA.
I would agree with you that Alford has established himself as a successful coach. I am always amazed at how individuals of extremely slight accomplishment can find such profound improvidence and disappointment in those who have achieved some distinction.
Just announced this afternoon. Better than him ending up in Madison.
Yeeeeaaaahhhh....about that.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39041.225
didn't ucla prefer buzz to alford?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 06:06:21 PM
3 Final Fours in the last 8 years....I wish we had those difficult times.
;)
Say what you will about that but the coach that led that program to 3 CONSECUTIVE Final Fours (the last, almost SIX years ago). His last season? 25-9 and an exit in the first round.
And in the same period Buzz has been our coach, MU has fared much better:
- 122 MU wins > 107 UCLA
- NCAA every year (5 years) > 3 years
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 31, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
I checked Buckyville just for a laugh. Most seemed to recognize that they didn't have a chance. The biggest sentiment I'm seeing is "Why get coached by Alford when you can get coached by Ryan?"
BO = BOring basketball....Great coach not-withstanding
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 31, 2013, 09:39:41 PM
Say what you will about that but the coach that led that program to 3 CONSECUTIVE Final Fours (the last, almost SIX years ago). His last season? 25-9 and an exit in the first round.
And in the same period Buzz has been our coach, MU has fared much better:
- 122 MU wins > 107 UCLA
- NCAA every year (5 years) > 3 years
I don't disagree with you in one sense, consistency, but three Final Fours is special. No one remembers Sweet 16's in the long run. I would trade three straight Final Fours in the last 8 years for what we have done in the last 5 years in a heartbeat. Not even a nanosecond to decide.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2013, 03:55:10 PM
Sure, I said all those things. No reason whatsoever needed to validate my comments as there was never 1 word of hyperbole or falsehood uttered. Recruitin' is an ever volitile activity, especially when so many are involved. I stand by every statement I've ever made concerning Kevon, whether they were direct quotes or as I've qualified, opinions.
Your updates were appreciated and insightful...you certainly had more than the recruiting analysts....although I suspect the knowledge learned was under the influence of laughing gas. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 09:56:11 PM
I don't disagree with you in one sense, consistency, but three Final Fours is special. No one remembers Sweet 16's in the long run. I would trade three straight Final Fours in the last 8 years for what we have done in the last 5 years in a heartbeat. Not even a nanosecond to decide.
Still, in the end, UCLA fired Howland. Wasn't it more about losing control of the troops than losing on the court?
Quote from: keefe on October 31, 2013, 11:32:53 PM
Still, in the end, UCLA fired Howland. Wasn't it more about losing control of the troops than losing on the court?
That was part of it, but the AAU and high school coaches basically were keeping their players away from him. Not many coaches win a conference championship in a league like the Pac 12 and get fired. It was clear for many months that was the case unless he made the Final Four again. The SI article did him no favors.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Probably, though they were hardly dregs. They won the conference title this past year. Howland was fired because he couldn't recruit the southland anymore and his style was considered a problem. Plenty of off the court problems as well.
I was always a fan of Howland as a coach, but I was stunned when I saw the Bruins last year. I have never seen a team that acted like they cared less than them.
I just assumed Howland was fired because he totally lost the team.
Quote from: keefe on October 31, 2013, 08:46:01 PM
I would agree with you that Alford has established himself as a successful coach. I am always amazed at how individuals of extremely slight accomplishment can find such profound improvidence and disappointment in those who have achieved some distinction.
Exactly--but according to Sultan's grandiose ego and world class basketball analysis, Alford is an underachiever. Alford's resume speaks for itself--sorta like the Stilted One speaking for himself.
Bottom Line: Alford pulled Looney out of our backyard when hardly anybody saw that. We did not get Looney. And that is the bottom line, because the Sultan says so.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 31, 2013, 07:13:13 PM
18 years as a D1 head coach....
SWM: 1 tournament in four years. Beat two higher seeds to reach S16.
Iowa : 3 tournaments in 8 years. Once lost to a lower seed. Never beat a higher seed.
New Mexico: 3 tournaments in 6 years. Twice lost to a lower seed. Never beat a higher seed.
Can't get it done when it matters most. Underachiever.
No mention of a D3 success, by the Sultanned one. Turned SWM program around. Did well at New Mexico by winning several conference regular season championships. Iowa--won at least two Conference tournies. Landed Looney. Classic underachievement.
The Sultan is well full of it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 31, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
Just to play devil's advocate, doesn't the starting point count?
New Mexico had only been to the NCAAs 10 times the previous 75 years before he got there and had gone only one time since 1999. Not exactly stepping into a hot program with the cupboard full.
Missouri State had won one NCAA tournament game in their history, his teams doubled that.
Iowa....that's where I think he underperformed.
I would argue he did just fine at UNM and SWMS considering the history, the recent lack of success, etc. at those institutions. He did something at SWMS that had never been done, isn't that overperforming? At UNM, took over a so-so program of recency and won four conference championships in five years....never been done in the history of the program. Isn't that over performing when you do something that had never been done before?
Not all situations are equal. I guess we'll find out how he does at UCLA.
Chico's how dare you question the Sultan's veracity. If Alford is an underachiever because The Sultan says so, then it must be true, because Sultan says so. Meanwhile Alford is the one that underachieved on Looney--now that was a recruiting coup. When Buzz lands a stud of that stature, we can all say he is an underachiever too. Until that happens, we can continue to overachieve.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 01, 2013, 04:53:59 AM
Exactly--but according to Sultan's grandiose ego and world class basketball analysis, Alford is an underachiever. Alford's resume speaks for itself--sorta like the Stilted One speaking for himself.
Bottom Line: Alford pulled Looney out of our backyard when hardly anybody saw that. We did not get Looney. And that is the bottom line, because the Sultan says so.
says the guy who rips on buzz's recruiting all the time...you're too funny.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 01, 2013, 04:53:59 AM
Exactly--but according to Sultan's grandiose ego and world class basketball analysis, Alford is an underachiever. Alford's resume speaks for itself--sorta like the Stilted One speaking for himself.
Bottom Line: Alford pulled Looney out of our backyard when hardly anybody saw that. We did not get Looney. And that is the bottom line, because the Sultan says so.
Josh Pastner is a recruiting failure because Buzz went into Memphis and pulled Jajuan Johnson out of his backyard!
Oh wait, Memphis wasn't recruiting him, it was MU, Alabama, Miami and others.
Do you see how stupid that sounds? MU stopped recruiting Looney, he tweeted that himself. You are a moron.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 01, 2013, 05:00:49 AM
No mention of a D3 success, by the Sultanned one. Turned SWM program around. Did well at New Mexico by winning several conference regular season championships. Iowa--won at least two Conference tournies. Landed Looney. Classic underachievement.
I'm having trouble understanding why you keep humping my leg like a little puppy. Never really had anyone obsessed with me before...and it's kind of creepy.
But you are the one on these boards that goes on and on about how making a Final Four is the ultimate goal, yet Alford has never been closer to the Sweet 16. Look, he is a really good recruiter and he clearly is a decent coach - but when you keep getting knocked out by lower seeds in the tournament, how can you not ultimately say that he is an underachiever?
And if you really want to have some fun, Google up the bullsh*t that he did with Pierre Pierce at Iowa. So the guy isn't simply an underachiever....he's an underachieving slimeball.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 01, 2013, 06:26:19 AM
says the guy who rips on buzz's recruiting all the time...you're too funny.
Sorry--I do not rip on Buzz's recruiting all the time--only on his recruiting of bigs--which is marginal at best from the record.
For the record, Buzz has done a good job recruiting overall. His latest class shows that, as well as some of the past. Where we have fallen down is in recruiting bigs. Look at that record. IMO, as I have stated several times, we need a quality big to go along with the other talent coming in to reach the FF. That must happen within the next year or two, before all the current talent is gone.
You have opinions and so do I. However, the track record for bigs is not good. Gardner was good, the rest have not been. MCKay, Williams, Mbao, Roseboro, McMorrow, Durley and so on.
Hope we make FF this year, but it will be tough, unless Gardner has a super year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 01, 2013, 08:30:21 AM
I'm having trouble understanding why you keep humping my leg like a little puppy. Never really had anyone obsessed with me before...and it's kind of creepy.
But you are the one on these boards that goes on and on about how making a Final Four is the ultimate goal, yet Alford has never been closer to the Sweet 16. Look, he is a really good recruiter and he clearly is a decent coach - but when you keep getting knocked out by lower seeds in the tournament, how can you not ultimately say that he is an underachiever?
And if you really want to have some fun, Google up the bullsh*t that he did with Pierre Pierce at Iowa. So the guy isn't simply an underachiever....he's an underachieving slimeball.
Sorry, I lived in Iowa when the Pierre Pierce stuff went on, so I do not need Google to tell me. Clearly, Alford made mistakes on Pierce, but he did nothing illegal. Initially, he was giving the guy support. His mistake was not cutting it off. So yeah, he made a mistake with Pierce. So Alford is not perfect like you profess to be. And if you are so upset by the Pierce fiasco, then start looking at Ferentz's track record with convicts. And please let us hear your thoughts on Pitino at Porcinis or Cal's sterling record.
And by the way, there are many on this board that talk about making the FF. I merely give my opinion on what I believe we need to get there. And there are many who feel the same way.
And speaking of humping legs, get off mine. Because you love to pontificate about your limited BB knowledge. But guess what--to make you feel better, the ignore button is always there--or don't read the posts and then you can quit bitching about my posts.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 01, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Sorry--I do not rip on Buzz's recruiting all the time--only on his recruiting of bigs--which is marginal at best from the record.
For the record, Buzz has done a good job recruiting overall. His latest class shows that, as well as some of the past. Where we have fallen down is in recruiting bigs. Look at that record. IMO, as I have stated several times, we need a quality big to go along with the other talent coming in to reach the FF. That must happen within the next year or two, before all the current talent is gone.
You have opinions and so do I. However, the track record for bigs is not good. Gardner was good, the rest have not been. MCKay, Williams, Mbao, Roseboro, McMorrow, Durley and so on.
Hope we make FF this year, but it will be tough, unless Gardner has a super year.
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Without a solid point not sure that can happen.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 01, 2013, 08:47:03 AM
Sorry, I lived in Iowa when the Pierre Pierce stuff went on, so I do not need Google to tell me. Clearly, Alford made mistakes on Pierce, but he did nothing illegal. Initially, he was giving the guy support. His mistake was not cutting it off. So yeah, he made a mistake with Pierce. So Alford is not perfect like you profess to be. And if you are so upset by the Pierce fiasco, then start looking at Ferentz's track record with convicts. And please let us hear your thoughts on Pitino at Porcinis or Cal's sterling record.
And by the way, there are many on this board that talk about making the FF. I merely give my opinion on what I believe we need to get there. And there are many who feel the same way.
And speaking of humping legs, get off mine. Because you love to pontificate about your limited BB knowledge. But guess what--to make you feel better, the ignore button is always there--or don't read the posts and then you can quit bitching about my posts.
I actually don't have a problem with your posts so you can say whatever you really want.
But as for Alford and Pierce, I never claimed what others did were perfect. But Rick cheating on his wife, and Cal and his alleged recruiting violations are orders of magnitude less troublesome to me than getting directly involved with a sexual assault case to protect his star player - to the point of contacting the victim directly to try to convince her not to press charges. Only to have that star player pretty much repeat the same action later. Not a chance in hell my kid would ever play for a coach like that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 01, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
getting directly involved with a sexual assault case to protect his star player - to the point of contacting the victim directly to try to convince her not to press charges. Only to have that star player pretty much repeat the same action later. Not a chance in hell my kid would ever play for a coach like that.
Don't know much about Alford at all, but was talking to a pretty connected guy in the national media about the Looney choice yesterday and he said, "UCLA is a great school, good for him. But Alford is such a douche." This guy is a former player, analyst and studio guy who has had multiple run-ins with him over the years.
I'm just relieved it wasn't UW. The Looney decision eliminated my paranoia/nightmare scenario of Looney going to UW, then Stone following, then Dekker staying all four years and Tokoto and Nolan transferring to UW and making a run in 2016.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 01, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Look at that record. IMO, as I have stated several times, we need a quality big to go along with the other talent coming in to reach the FF. That must happen within the next year or two, before all the current talent is gone.
LOL
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on November 01, 2013, 09:11:08 AM
Don't know much about Alford at all, but was talking to a pretty connected guy in the national media about the Looney choice yesterday and he said, "UCLA is a great school, good for him. But Alford is such a douche." This guy is a former player, analyst and studio guy who has had multiple run-ins with him over the years.
I'm just relieved it wasn't UW. The Looney decision eliminated my paranoia/nightmare scenario of Looney going to UW, then Stone following, then Dekker staying all four years and Tokoto and Nolan transferring to UW and making a run in 2016.
Looney was never coming to UW. Even MOST UW fans would admit that. Stone is NOT going to UW either. There are just too many factors going against them. I dont think MU lands Stone either. But I think MU has about 10x better chance than UW.
7 NCAA appearances in 18 years = UCLA
5 NCAA appearances in 9 years = Indiana
No wonder the guy with 5 NCAA appearances and 8 wins in 5 years is always on the hot list.
Quote from: tower912 on November 01, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
7 NCAA appearances in 18 years = UCLA
5 NCAA appearances in 9 years = Indiana
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UCLA has 14 NCAA appearances in the last 18 years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 01, 2013, 11:49:15 AM
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UCLA has 14 NCAA appearances in the last 18 years.
I think he means Alford
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 01, 2013, 11:49:15 AM
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UCLA has 14 NCAA appearances in the last 18 years.
The coach with 7 NCAA tournament appearances in 18 years gets to be the coach at UCLA.
The coach with 5 NCAA tournament appearances in 9 years gets to be the coach at IU.
No wonder the coach with 5 NCAA appearances in 5 years is so popular.
Still confused?
Quote from: tower912 on November 01, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
The coach with 7 NCAA tournament appearances in 18 years gets to be the coach at UCLA.
The coach with 5 NCAA tournament appearances in 9 years gets to be the coach at IU.
No wonder the coach with 5 NCAA appearances in 5 years is so popular.
Still confused?
Thanks for the clarification. It seems to me you guys still lack depth on your analysis, starting points matter. How would Buzz have done at SWMS? Or Iowa? Or UNM? We know how he did at UNO.
Starting points matter....they are not always ready made, gift wrapped with NBA talent in a high profile league. In some cases, the teams don't even have a roster of anyone exceeding 120 total minutes. Starting points matter. Talent matters.
How did John Ferrell do as manager last year of the Blue Jays? How did he do this year as a manager of the Red Sox? Did the light go on this year, or was he managing a better product, better talent, etc?
Starting points matter
Found it interesting to see that Kevon Looney was the Number 1 Search on Yahoo today...pretty remarkable. Shows the scope of the UCLA fan base, and the other schools that were finalists.
Was also interesting to read the comments people left (mostly UW fans) on the Journal Sentinel story on Looney going to UCLA.
Would have loved to have him at MU, yet can also understand why a kid from MKE might like to go to LA...for lifestyle reasons - yet I'd put a kids chances at greatest skill development and chance at big time tourney success as higher at MU under Buzz than UCLA under Alford..
You make a good point about starting points. Let's try these two. Coach 1, in years 5-9 of a coaching tenure, coming off of a final 4 appearance, has a 106-55 record with a 1-3 record in the NCAA tourney. Coach 2, in his first 5 years of a coaching tenure, some with coach 1's players, has a 122-52 record with a 8-5 NCAA tourney record. Coach 1 never managed a conference record better than 11-7. Coach 2 won a conference championship with a 14-4 record.
My only question is: Do starting points matter?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 31, 2013, 07:13:13 PM
Can't get it done when it matters most. Underachiever.
I would love to hear Alford's assessment of your life
Quote from: Ners on November 01, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
Found it interesting to see that Kevon Looney was the Number 1 Search on Yahoo today...pretty remarkable. Shows the scope of the UCLA fan base, and the other schools that were finalists.
Was also interesting to read the comments people left (mostly UW fans) on the Journal Sentinel story on Looney going to UCLA.
Would have loved to have him at MU, yet can also understand why a kid from MKE might like to go to LA...for lifestyle reasons - yet I'd put a kids chances at greatest skill development and chance at big time tourney success as higher at MU under Buzz than UCLA under Alford..
What does it say about the UCLA fan base if their choice of search engines is Yahoo?
Quote from: forgetful on November 01, 2013, 05:37:55 PM
What does it say about the UCLA fan base if their choice of search engines is Yahoo?
Or that all Yahoo! users are UCLA fans
Article from Wed. on controversy at UCLA from hiring Alford...
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/alford-533943-guerrero-wrote.html
Quote from: Ners on November 01, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
Found it interesting to see that Kevon Looney was the Number 1 Search on Yahoo today...pretty remarkable. Shows the scope of the UCLA fan base, and the other schools that were finalists.
Was also interesting to read the comments people left (mostly UW fans) on the Journal Sentinel story on Looney going to UCLA.
Would have loved to have him at MU, yet can also understand why a kid from MKE might like to go to LA...for lifestyle reasons - yet I'd put a kids chances at greatest skill development and chance at big time tourney success as higher at MU under Buzz than UCLA under Alford..
What's interesting ners is that almost no one in the office yesterday that are UCLA guys knew they got him or that they were even recruiting him. Many were making fun of his name saying they didn't need a Looney Tunes player, etc. Very little local buzz, at least in the office. Today, of course, we had the shooting at LAX which is right across the street, so not much talk of hoops today.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 01, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
My only question is: Do starting points matter?
I know you are attempting to be funny with my post..touche.
Some people are born in the lucky sperm club....their starting point is different than others. I used to work with Hank Paulson's son and there wasn't a meeting I had that I didn't come away thinking that. Smart guy, but he got a 75 yard start in a 100 yard race than everyone else.
Some people enter a business and toil for years to get it going, because they didn't have the capital or resources....others stepped right into a great situation.
Examples every day in sports, business, relationships, etc. Starting points matter.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 01, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
I know you are attempting to be funny with my post..touche.
Some people are born in the lucky sperm club....their starting point is different than others. I used to work with Hank Paulson's son and there wasn't a meeting I had that I didn't come away thinking that. Smart guy, but he got a 75 yard start in a 100 yard race than everyone else.
Some people enter a business and toil for years to get it going, because they didn't have the capital or resources....others stepped right into a great situation.
Examples every day in sports, business, relationships, etc. Starting points matter.
A simple "yes" or "no" would have done. (You're right, I'm attempting to be funny. I'll be here all night, fellas.)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 01, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
I know you are attempting to be funny with my post..touche.
Some people are born in the lucky sperm club....their starting point is different than others. I used to work with Hank Paulson's son and there wasn't a meeting I had that I didn't come away thinking that. Smart guy, but he got a 75 yard start in a 100 yard race than everyone else.
Some people enter a business and toil for years to get it going, because they didn't have the capital or resources....others stepped right into a great situation.
Examples every day in sports, business, relationships, etc. Starting points matter.
There will always be someone smarter, nicer, better connected, luckier, etc., than you, me or anybody else here. It's a little unseemly for those of us born on 2nd base (to educated, sacrificing, loving parents) to envy those few even luckier. There's a reason why it's one of the 7 deadly sins.
Quote from: keefe on November 01, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
I would love to hear Alford's assessment of your life
So would I. I would invite him to do so.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 01, 2013, 09:32:23 PM
There will always be someone smarter, nicer, better connected, luckier, etc., than you, me or anybody else here. It's a little unseemly for those of us born on 2nd base (to educated, sacrificing, loving parents) to envy those few even luckier. There's a reason why it's one of the 7 deadly sins.
Dude you can't make babies on second base.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 02, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
So would I. I would invite him to do so.
You know he's probaby not going to be all that kind to you, Sultan... unless you've raped someone; in which case, I'm certain that Steve will give a glowing assessment of your life.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 01, 2013, 09:12:13 PM
A simple "yes" or "no" would have done. (You're right, I'm attempting to be funny. I'll be here all night, fellas.)
Yes or no answers do not allow for the name drop and habitual condescension.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 02, 2013, 07:49:39 AM
Dude you can't make babies on second base.
Say that to Dr. J
Quote from: reinko on November 02, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Say that to Dr. J
You've got your story wrong, bro.
http://deadspin.com/when-his-lady-friends-braces-quashed-oral-dr-j-impre-1455524659
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 02, 2013, 08:07:54 AM
Yes or no answers do not allow for the name drop and habitual condescension.
Ironic, coming from you
Quote from: CoachesCorner on November 01, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
1) Looney was never coming to UW.
2) Stone is NOT going to UW. MU has about 10x better chance than UW.
1) True
2) You're going to be severely disappointed.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
1) True
2) You're going to be severely disappointed.
Much the same you've been the last couple times playing MU and Buzz? Does it get old seeing Buzz reel in all these 4 star kids from all over the country, and now even upstate Wisconsin - a former Bo stronghold?
We all know Buzz has all UW hoops fans totally paranoid over the direction of the two programs. MU on a major upswing, UW well, just being UW...good, solid program, that shows no signs of ever being able to compete at a high level in the NCAA tourney - or at least not when matched with a higher seed.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
1) True
2) You're going to be severely disappointed.
Would u like to wager on stone going to uw?
Quote from: CoachesCorner on November 02, 2013, 01:31:16 PM
Would u like to wager on stone going to uw?
I suspect he thinks he isn't going to either school, which is probably from a gambling perspective the safest bet.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 02, 2013, 01:42:42 PM
I suspect he thinks he isn't going to either school, which is probably from a gambling perspective the safest bet.
Which is exactly what my post said....
anyway, I have some info from a trusted source on stone. Not regarding his recruitment but first hand dealings with him and these dealings are both basketball and family related. Let's just say Diamond and Bo probably won't see eye to eye with regards to basketball. And his father will be on the same page with Diamond on this. I don't know what his status with uw is right now. But based on info from a friend I trust very much and have known for 35 years. Diamond is not likely going to uw.
Quote from: Ners on November 02, 2013, 01:07:51 PM
Much the same you've been the last couple times playing MU and Buzz? Does it get old seeing Buzz reel in all these 4 star kids from all over the country, and now even upstate Wisconsin - a former Bo stronghold?
We all know Buzz has all UW hoops fans totally paranoid over the direction of the two programs. MU on a major upswing, UW well, just being UW...good, solid program, that shows no signs of ever being able to compete at a high level in the NCAA tourney - or at least not when matched with a higher seed.
Sensitive much? Buzz is a good recruiter, no doubt about it. That being said, most basketball minds wouldn't trade Dekker or Koenig for anyone on your roster. As for your "direction of the program" thought, give me a break. Very easy to see that our recruiting is on the upswing (Dekker, Koenig, Hayes), pretty dangerous seeing as how we already win 25 games a year.
Quote from: CoachesCorner on November 02, 2013, 01:31:16 PM
Would u like to wager on stone going to uw?
No, I don't know where Diamond is going. Diamond doesn't know where Diamond is going yet. I'll just say that UW is very much in it for Diamond. Whoever said Bob Stone doesn't see eye to eye with Bo is telling you something that is 100% false.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
Sensitive much? Buzz is a good recruiter, no doubt about it. That being said, most basketball minds wouldn't trade Dekker or Koenig for anyone on your roster. As for your "direction of the program" thought, give me a break. Very easy to see that our recruiting is on the upswing (Dekker, Koenig, Hayes), pretty dangerous seeing as how we already win 25 games a year.
LOL. Sorry, you just lost any and all credibility you had. Koenig is a nice player. Congrats on getting him. He also would've been the 5th highest ranked player in Marquette's 6 player recruiting class this past year. And that's just freshman.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
Sensitive much? Buzz is a good recruiter, no doubt about it. That being said, most basketball minds wouldn't trade Dekker or Koenig for anyone on your roster. As for your "direction of the program" thought, give me a break. Very easy to see that our recruiting is on the upswing (Dekker, Koenig, Hayes), pretty dangerous seeing as how we already win 25 games a year.
If you truly value Koenig that highly,
you're going to be severely disappointed. We'll see who has the better career between JaJuan Johnson and Dekker, eventually.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
Sensitive much? Buzz is a good recruiter, no doubt about it. That being said, most basketball minds wouldn't trade Dekker or Koenig for anyone on your roster. As for your "direction of the program" thought, give me a break. Very easy to see that our recruiting is on the upswing (Dekker, Koenig, Hayes), pretty dangerous seeing as how we already win 25 games a year.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Koenig??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thanks for that.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
Sensitive much? Buzz is a good recruiter, no doubt about it. That being said, most basketball minds wouldn't trade Dekker or Koenig for anyone on your roster. As for your "direction of the program" thought, give me a break. Very easy to see that our recruiting is on the upswing (Dekker, Koenig, Hayes), pretty dangerous seeing as how we already win 25 games a year.
Bo did a nice job getting Dekker, though I'm still not sure why he wasted his time with Looney when it's been obvious for close to a year that he wouldn't be staying close to home.
But Koenig? That's one of the dumbest comments ever. You do realize that if Koenig had committed to Marquette last year he'd have only been the 4th highest rated recruit we brought in, right?
And if landing 1 rated player per year is showing that your recruiting is on the upswing...well, umm...I guess UW-Milwaukee better look out!
I for one am happy that Bucky continues to attract talent and Dekker is one helluva player. Koenig is fine from what I've seen but I'd certainly take our recent recruiting class hands down. Of course this'll all be determined on the court over the next 2-3 years. Personally I like our chances more often than not.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 06:02:48 PM
No, I don't know where Diamond is going. Diamond doesn't know where Diamond is going yet. I'll just say that UW is very much in it for Diamond. Whoever said Bob Stone doesn't see eye to eye with Bo is telling you something that is 100% false.
Very highly unlikely.
Quote from: keefe on November 01, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
I would love to hear Alford's assessment of your life
+1.
Let's see... All-American player who has worked his way to the top of his profession.
He may be a d-bag, but your reply is right on.
Quote from: brandx on November 02, 2013, 07:29:33 PM
+1.
Let's see... All-American player who has worked his way to the top of his profession.
He may be a d-bag, but your reply is right on.
LOL....because I called him an "underachiever?" Because his hype doesn't match his actual coaching performance?
Fine. If you want that as a coach, take it. I would much rather have a guy like Buzz who has already exceeded Alford's performance while only coaching a third as many seasons.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 02, 2013, 07:52:50 PM
LOL....because I called him an "underachiever?" Because his hype doesn't match his actual coaching performance?
Fine. If you want that as a coach, take it. I would much rather have a guy like Buzz who has already exceeded Alford's performance while only coaching a third as many seasons.
You're making up a false argument. Of course, I'd rather have Buzz as a coach
Quote from: brandx on November 02, 2013, 08:44:24 PM
You're making up a false argument. Of course, I'd rather have Buzz as a coach
Be consistent.
I call Alford an underachiever.
Keefe implies that I have achieved less.
You agree.
Be consistent.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 02, 2013, 06:21:16 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Koenig??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thanks for that.
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
I have never seen a fan base overate a recruit more than the UW fan base overate Bronson Koenig.
Oh and I love the trash talking. More recent championship. More recent Final Four. More recent E8. More recent S16. More recent conference championship. More recent head to head wins.
And you get a nice, big first round loss last year.
Maybe your nice little program can be ranked ahead of UWGB or UWM....maybe. LOL.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Sensitive much?!! Buzz has locked up Wisconsin's best players in the next few classes already - Nick N, Sandy Cohen, Phillip Flory...and stands a much better chance on Diamond Stone, than does Bo.
As for the ass whooping this December - please show up here after the game and take your ass whooping. Pretty sure MU dominated UW the last two games we played, and Derrick Wilson as a freshmen was good enough to shut down your All American point guard Jordan Taylor, pretty sure he'll fare just fine against Koenig as a junior.
Dekker is a very nice player, however, and would love to have him at MU - yet feel Jamil Wilson will fare quite well against Dekker - both offensively and defensively. Also, look forward to watching you guys try to stop Gardner. Hell, he'll probably go coast to coast on you guys again this year..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeRnHYwnpo
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Viewed by whom as one of the dumbest fan bases? Wisconsin fans? Obviously. I seriously doubt that anybody else views Marquette as one of the dumbest fan bases, however you define 'dumb'.
I once watched a highlight video of Koenig. I have to say I really like the way he plays. However, I don't recall seeing any nail wounds on his hands.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Derrick Wilson was plenty good two years ago in Madison.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts fourth on the PG depth chart behind Wilson, Wilson, and Dawson at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
FIFY
Enjoy watching us extend your losing streak to Marquette this year.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
This is how our fan base is viewed? One of the dumbest? Is there a survey or a poll? Or is this just you bloviating?
UW has a very good program. I actually think they will beat MU this year, but saying MU's fan base is dumb is ironic, especially coming from a Vadger fan. Case in point watching Becky fans with the Looney news before and after was an intellectual display.
For the first troll attack in some time, I think that that was handled rather well. OnWisconsin was rational for a while there, but he couldn't really keep it together after the reality about Koenig was brought to his attention. Koenig is a very nice player, but he's not really the best b-ball player produced in Wisconsin since Joe Wolf.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Sounds like someone needs a hug.
Mr. Koenig's son had a 0 point, 0 assist, and 1 turnover night against Platteville as the third PG off the bench with 14 minutes. Perhaps the best advice for a troll is to come by when there is something to troll about? Call me dumb.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 02, 2013, 11:21:36 PM
a Vadger fan.
If you made that up I give you significant credit. Is rooting for the Vadgers Vadginating?
Quote from: keefe on November 03, 2013, 01:14:19 AM
If you made that up I give you significant credit. Is rooting for the Vadgers Vadginating?
Can't say I made it up, but have used it for a long time. Plenty of fun definitions of it on Urban Dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vadger
I would probably be upset and delusional too if our in-state rival was consistently nabbing top players from our backyard. Then again Buzz's backyard is pretty much the whole country.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
pretty dangerous seeing as how we already win 25 games a year.
Only 6 times in in the last 11 years, tho...
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Duane Wilson will embaress Koenig over the next few years
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 03, 2013, 01:26:30 AM
Can't say I made it up, but have used it for a long time. Plenty of fun definitions of it on Urban Dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vadger
How dare you post such filth! You...you...you misogynist!
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Ban you? Why? You won't be back. Run away, little squirrel. Koenig is not going to be significantly better than Brust or Gasser. And another run of the mill delusional bucky fan calling another fanbase dumb is the height of irony.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
Exhibit A
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 02, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Bronson starts at Marquette this year if you had him.
But please go on about how good Duane and Derrick Wilson are. ;D
This is why you guys are viewed as one of the dumbest f ucking fan bases in college basketball.
Enjoy your ass whooping this December. Please delete me so I never have to see this nonsense anymore.
#shitwalmartbadgerssay
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on November 03, 2013, 01:57:30 AM
I would probably be upset and delusional too if our in-state rival was consistently nabbing top players from our backyard. Then again Buzz's backyard is pretty much the whole country.
Been going on far longer than Buzz.
Steve Novak
Travis Diener
Wes Matthews
Scott Christopherson
Tony Smith
Etc.
UW-madison fans think they should get the first pick, unfortunately for them the kids get to decide.
Having a city that is 0.4% African American hasn't served them well in attracting some talent from other parts of the country and Milwaukee. It's the elephant in the room, but some of their fans admit it and don't hide from it.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 02, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
Derrick Wilson was plenty good two years ago in Madison.
How was he on Saturday?
Koenig is better than any point guard on your roster. If you don't know it now, you will in a year or so. Wilson will have better numbers this year simply because you have no depth at guard.
Welcome back. Yup, Saturday sucked. Duane Wilson and Dawson will be playing the point by the time Koenig sees the court in Madison. We'll take our chances.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 18, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
How was he on Saturday?
Koenig is better than any point guard on your roster. If you don't know it now, you will in a year or so. Wilson will have better numbers this year simply because you have no depth at guard.
When Koenig is still coming off the bench? The legend of Bronson Koenig has been so vastly overinflated by his idiot father that it's hilarious. Considering the family, I'd be surprised if he stays at Wisconsin when he can't beat Jackson out for the starting spot next year.
Quote from: OnWisconsin on November 18, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
Koenig is better than any point guard on your roster. If you don't know it now, you will in a year or so. Wilson will have better numbers this year simply because you have no depth at guard.
I would agree Koenig is better than any point guard on our roster who is not injured. Haven't seen that much of Dawson, but Koenig can shoot and that would be a much appreciated on our squad. That's why Duane Wilson's injury is huge for us because he can also shoot and score well. Putting the homer glasses away, I would say Koenig and Duane Wilson are both going to be great point guards for their respective teams.