I thought about scouring the MU Scoop annals for a great old thread to revive, but instead, I just kept coming back to the same conclusion.
Doug Gottleib is the absolute worst ever. EVER.
I think I would take Dickie V, and I can't believe I am saying that, before taking Doug Gottleib.
WORST EVER.
Quote from: MUCam on April 08, 2013, 11:13:21 PM
I thought about scouring the MU Scoop annals for a great old thread to revive, but instead, I just kept coming back to the same conclusion.
Doug Gottleib is the absolute worst ever. EVER.
I think I would take Dickie V, and I can't believe I am saying that, before taking Doug Gottleib.
WORST EVER.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/321475584498753536
He is so bad, he just said Michigan lost because JB pulled Trey when he had two fouls. His reasoning for the fact that it was a bad call, he says Trey finished with only 2 fouls. Hey moron, he finished with 4 fouls.
He's such an arrogant ego-maniac. Agree...he's become my most hated sports figure.
Gottlieb is a definitely a dick and smug and arrogant, but there aren't many analysts out there that know college hoops as well as he does.
His criticism of Beilein handling Burke is definitely fair. I don't agree with him, but it's a legit point.
I thought that the MUScoopism is that "Gottlieb is a tool."
Quote from: Detfan23 on April 08, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
He is so bad, he just said Michigan lost because JB pulled Trey when he had two fouls. His reasoning for the fact that it was a bad call, he says Trey finished with only 2 fouls. Hey moron, he finished with 4 fouls.
He corrected himself on the postgame on TruTv.
My wife is an alum and watches every MU game with me. However, she's not crazy, so she doesn't waste any time on message boards or with knowing announcers, analysts, or referees. The point is that she had no idea who Doug Gottleib was until this tournament.
"I really don't like that white guy they have on the panel. He's a jerk"
I thought Barkley made some good counterpoints to the Burke argument last night. Hancock made 3 or 4 three pointers in like a minute and a half. It's easy to second guess, but there was almost no time to think of substituting. You can say "call timeout" but are you gonna call time out after two straight made baskets to get a kid in the game with a minute left in the half?
The thing I thought hurt Michigan was Beilein not getting that team calmed down. I mean Albrecht was absolutely unconscious, but the team was so high with like 5 minutes left in the half it looked like they had already won the game. There was no place to go but down...Burke or no Burke.
Gottleib creates controversy for the sake of controversy. He does know basketball...but Belein knows it more and knows his team better. That was really dumb.
Claiming that Michigan lost because Beilein sat Burke is simply lazy analysis. The guy who replaced him hit 6 of 7 shots and scored 17 points in the half! It's not like the back-up was killing them.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 09, 2013, 08:29:30 AM
Claiming that Michigan lost because Beilein sat Burke is simply lazy analysis. The guy who replaced him hit 6 of 7 shots and scored 17 points in the half! It's not like the back-up was killing them.
Beilein's gameplan surely did suck in the second half, but the guy has never been known more making adjustments.
All the halftime camera given to Beilein, we was way too happy with the first half, which is ridiculous. His gameplan was not having a rec-league chucker score half your points. That game would have been a blow out if Spike didn't turn into the second coming of Travis Diener for the first half.
I like Gottlieb, with his warts and all. And I think he stands out because many "analysts" provide vanilla nothings, which so many of you viewers eat up because it's simple nuggets, and Gottlieb's role is to do the exact opposite.
Regardless, most anyone is better on a college ball telecast than the clown pairing of Smith and Barkley (who is still praising MU's zone defense for shutting down Miami). The real victim here is Greg Anthony who is fast becoming a leading light.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 09, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
I like Gottlieb, with his warts and all. And I think he stands out because many "analysts" provide vanilla nothings, which so many of you viewers eat up because it's simple nuggets, and Gottlieb's role is to do the exact opposite.
Just because he takes a contrary viewpoint on a given topic doesn't mean he's any less vanilla than the other analysts. Maybe French Vanilla.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 09, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
I like Gottlieb, with his warts and all. And I think he stands out because many "analysts" provide vanilla nothings, which so many of you viewers eat up because it's simple nuggets, and Gottlieb's role is to do the exact opposite.
Regardless, most anyone is better on a college ball telecast than the clown pairing of Smith and Barkley (who is still praising MU's zone defense for shutting down Miami). The real victim here is Greg Anthony who is fast becoming a leading light.
Clark Kellogg is awful. Almost makes me miss Billy Packer.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 09, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
Clark Kellogg is awful. Almost makes me miss Billy Packer.
+1 - he sure likes the sound of his voice.
Almost is the key word. I was griping about Kellogg on Saturday when he failed to call out the refs and Mrs. Gato said the same thing--he is better than Billy Packer. I eased up on Clark after that.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 09, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
Clark Kellogg is awful. Almost makes me miss Billy Packer.
Quote from: Gato78 on April 09, 2013, 09:44:37 AM
Almost is the key word. I was griping about Kellogg on Saturday when he failed to call out the refs and Mrs. Gato said the same thing--he is better than Billy Packer. I eased up on Clark after that.
Both Kerr and Clark made comments about the ineptitude of the officials early last night, but eased back considerably as the game went on. The refs didn't get any better so my guess is that a producer got in their ears.
Quote from: LAZER on April 08, 2013, 11:33:06 PM
Gottlieb is a definitely a dick and smug and arrogant, but there aren't many analysts out there that know college hoops as well as he does.
His criticism of Beilein handling Burke is definitely fair. I don't agree with him, but it's a legit point.
I guess it's fair, but not really when you consider UM led at the half. They were playing great there w/out him. Why risk bringing him in? I mean, it took 'ville 90 seconds to score like 15 points so....it happened pretty fast.
Quote from: PTM on April 09, 2013, 09:14:02 AM
Beilein's gameplan surely did suck in the second half, but the guy has never been known more making adjustments.
All the halftime camera given to Beilein, we was way too happy with the first half, which is ridiculous. His gameplan was not having a rec-league chucker score half your points. That game would have been a blow out if Spike didn't turn into the second coming of Travis Diener for the first half.
Nah. If Spike wasn't playing as insane as he was you would have saw Burke come in if Louisville ever took a sizable 7-8 point lead.
crap, I'd be happy with the first half too, you were winning and with the exception of Hancock going nuts for 2 minutes you dominated the game to that point. People always over-analyze this stuff with shoulda/woulda/coulda, but in the end the best team all tournament/last month of season, won.
Quote from: Marquette_g on April 09, 2013, 09:38:28 AM
+1 - he sure likes the sound of his voice.
Clark Kellogg thinks you made a great point, there, Marquette G!
Clark Kellogg thinkg you also made a great point, PRN!
Sincerely,
Clark Kellogg opens every quote by saying "you made a great point"!
FYI - Hancock should have been fouled out w/5 minutes to go! How come nobody is saying this? That foul when he undercut McGary? Please.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 09, 2013, 08:12:25 AM
Gottleib creates controversy for the sake of controversy. He does know basketball...but Belein knows it more and knows his team better. That was really dumb.
Greg Anthony was making the same points Doug was.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 09, 2013, 07:06:47 AM
I thought that the MUScoopism is that "Gottlieb is a tool."
That's because Gottlieb is a tool!
I gathered from last night that Nantz didn't have a dog in the fight and seemed distracted by his favorite event - The Masters ("Welcome friends...")
Anthony was really trying to prevent the entire world from knowing that he wanted MI to win, and still failed.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 09, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
Clark Kellogg is awful. Almost makes me miss Billy Packer.
The only people worse than Kellogg are Mike Patrick and Len Elmore.
Quote from: Warriors10 on April 09, 2013, 09:49:05 AM
Nah. If Spike wasn't playing as insane as he was you would have saw Burke come in if Louisville ever took a sizable 7-8 point lead.
crap, I'd be happy with the first half too, you were winning and with the exception of Hancock going nuts for 2 minutes you dominated the game to that point. People always over-analyze this stuff with shoulda/woulda/coulda, but in the end the best team all tournament/last month of season, won.
The halftime video struck me as a little too high school-ish. As you wrote, Michigan dominated the first half and came out of it with only a one point lead with all the momentum going Ville's way. And Beilein's talk revolved around just being happy they're in the game. I'm sure there was some X/O talk but that was a rah-rah puff piece.
Surely some adjustments needed to be made because you can't rely on Albrecht's wet dream continuing, you've frozen your star player with the rest, and you have to expect the pressure will wear your team down as it does to everyone. Didn't see much other then Burke playing more minutes.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 09, 2013, 11:16:28 AM
I gathered from last night that Nantz didn't have a dog in the fight and seemed distracted by his favorite event - The Masters ("Welcome friends...")
Anthony was really trying to prevent the entire world from knowing that he wanted MI to win, and still failed.
Nantz seems to get most excited when the white guys are doing well on the court.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 09, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
Nantz seems to get most excited when the white guys are doing well on the court.
But part of that is we have been ingrained with bball culture that these kids can't play, when they absolutely can. Albrecht was amazing, as was Hancock, the MOP. I think he's just responding to them coming out of the blue. And despite some people predicting lottery pick this year for McGary, same thing...he was inconsistent and even craptacular for much of the season, but came out of nowhere in the tournament. That's going to get announcers excited. Just so happens the three surprise performances were from Caucasian kids.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 09, 2013, 01:37:41 PM
But part of that is we have been ingrained with bball culture that these kids can't play, when they absolutely can. Albrecht was amazing, as was Hancock, the MOP. I think he's just responding to them coming out of the blue. And despite some people predicting lottery pick this year for McGary, same thing...he was inconsistent and even craptacular for much of the season, but came out of nowhere in the tournament. That's going to get announcers excited. Just so happens the three surprise performances were from Caucasian kids.
I wasn't basing it just on this Final Four.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 09, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
Nantz seems to get most excited when the white guys are doing well on the court.
You mean the way that MU fans go ballistic when guys like Christopherson, Frozena, Thomas, etc. hit a 3?
Quote from: Benny B on April 09, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You mean the way that MU fans go ballistic when guys like Christopherson, Frozena, Thomas, etc. hit a 3?
Heh...there are so many ways I could comment on this...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 09, 2013, 01:37:41 PM
But part of that is we have been ingrained with bball culture that these kids can't play, when they absolutely can. Albrecht was amazing, as was Hancock, the MOP. I think he's just responding to them coming out of the blue. And despite some people predicting lottery pick this year for McGary, same thing...he was inconsistent and even craptacular for much of the season, but came out of nowhere in the tournament. That's going to get announcers excited. Just so happens the three surprise performances were from Caucasian kids.
Allow me to set the record straight. I predicted a lottery pick for McGary IF he came out this year. I NEVER said he would. I don't know if he will. Kind of like Zeller last year (who maybe should have come out - he looked very soft this March).
I know that if a guy isn't listed on Draft Express, nbadraft.net etc., you don't think he worth a pick. I don't care what a guy did as a freshman in December against IUPUI, but I do care what he did on the big stage against the best 3 months later. I actually watch the games to form my opinions and if that puts me out on an island, so be it.
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Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 09, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
I like Gottlieb, with his warts and all. And I think he stands out because many "analysts" provide vanilla nothings, which so many of you viewers eat up because it's simple nuggets, and Gottlieb's role is to do the exact opposite.
Regardless, most anyone is better on a college ball telecast than the clown pairing of Smith and Barkley (who is still praising MU's zone defense for shutting down Miami). The real victim here is Greg Anthony who is fast becoming a leading light.
I agree with you on all points. Gottlieb has warts, but he's vastly better than Barkley and Smith. You brought up Barkley praising the Marquette "zone" vs Miami before i could, even though anyone with two eyes could see that MU played man to man all game long. Barkley needs to stay where he belongs and is great, on TNT/TBS commenting on NBA games.
I'm also with you on Greg Anthony, he's really good. I'd have preferred a grouping of say Anthony, Gottlieb, and various college coaches no longer in the turnament.
Gotlieb started his basketball career at ND, and like Digger, because they are both ND homers have no credibilty. Gotlieb should stick to what he knows best, stealing credit cards.
Quote from: El Duderino on April 09, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
You brought up Barkley praising the Marquette "zone" vs Miami before i could, even though anyone with two eyes could see that MU played man to man all game long. Barkley needs to stay where he belongs and is great, on TNT/TBS commenting on NBA games.
I watched him say this as well. You would think one of the more accomplished basketball players of all time could see the difference between a zone and man-to-man defense. He was fantastic in the NBA and should stay in his element. Barkley doesn't belong on the college basketball analyst's table.
Also, I just can't support Gottleib. He's incredibly arrogant and I've personally never seen him give credit to MU or many Big East basketball teams when it's due. He may know a lot about basketball but he can't teach it or speak to it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 09, 2013, 02:20:44 PM
Allow me to set the record straight. I predicted a lottery pick for McGary IF he came out this year. I NEVER said he would. I don't know if he will. Kind of like Zeller last year (who maybe should have come out - he looked very soft this March).
I know that if a guy isn't listed on Draft Express, nbadraft.net etc., you don't think he worth a pick. I don't care what a guy did as a freshman in December against IUPUI, but I do care what he did on the big stage against the best 3 months later. I actually watch the games to form my opinions and if that puts me out on an island, so be it.
It doesn't put you on an island, but as the other article I pointed out to you the other day, GMs also want to know why he sucked hard balls for most of the season, despite his size and agility. Lack of motivation? Injuries? Etc?
McGary today decided that he was going back to school, despite several of his teammates coming out early (Hardaway and Burke). Interesting. I suspect he will do very well this year. We'll never know if he was going to be a lottery pick.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 18, 2013, 06:06:47 PM
It doesn't put you on an island, but as the other article I pointed out to you the other day, GMs also want to know why he sucked hard balls for most of the season, despite his size and agility. Lack of motivation? Injuries? Etc?
McGary today decided that he was going back to school, despite several of his teammates coming out early (Hardaway and Burke). Interesting. I suspect he will do very well this year. We'll never know if he was going to be a lottery pick.
All moot now. Don't know why he didn't have a great regular season, though he was a freshman and Belein didn't start him until the tournament. Michigan certainly was a different team with him playing big minutes.