According to ESPN:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9137089/tim-pernetti-rutgers-scarlet-knights-athletic-director-source-says (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9137089/tim-pernetti-rutgers-scarlet-knights-athletic-director-source-says)
Apparently this didn't work:
http://deadspin.com/did-tim-pernetti-create-a-keep-tim-pernetti-twitter-a-470811870
And yet, all of the Big Ten fans at our work lunch yesterday were blindly defending the guy. Par for the course.
A good friend of mine was the finalist for the Rutgers AD job a few years ago (2009), but Greg Schiano wanted his guy and that's who they got. Schiano is gone, and now so is the AD.
It will be interesting if he is up for the job again, or if he even wants to be up for it now.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 10:52:07 AM
A good friend of mine was the finalist for the Rutgers AD job a few years ago (2009), but Greg Schiano wanted his guy and that's who they got. Schiano is gone, and now so is the AD.
It will be interesting if he is up for the job again, or if he even wants to be up for it now.
Hoopaloop to Rutgers!
Soccer Mom merica strikes again
Buzz for Rutgers AD/coach.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 05, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
Soccer Mom merica strikes again
I am all against kitty-fication of America, but the physical garbage was over the top. The name calling, etc, was not bad. But, you simply cannot systematically denigrate another human being through physical means and get away with it, especially when you are charged with being a developer of young men's lives.
His physical antics should not be protected and saying so doesn't make anyone a "soccer mom."
Quote from: MUCam on April 05, 2013, 11:33:47 AM
I am all against kitty-fication of America, but the physical garbage was over the top. The name calling, etc, was not bad. But, you simply cannot systematically denigrate another human being through physical means and get away with it, especially when you are charged with being a developer of young men's lives.
His physical antics should not be protected and saying so doesn't make anyone a "soccer mom."
Rice deserved to be fired.
However, I am a little disturbed with the public drumbeat to oust Pernetti.
Quote from: MUCam on April 05, 2013, 11:33:47 AM
I am all against kitty-fication of America, but the physical garbage was over the top. The name calling, etc, was not bad. But, you simply cannot systematically denigrate another human being through physical means and get away with it, especially when you are charged with being a developer of young men's lives.
His physical antics should not be protected and saying so doesn't make anyone a "soccer mom."
I agree with you CAM. And once again it isn't the act itself it's the "cover-up" that gets you. The AD is out because he saw the video and only suspended him 3 days. If he had been pro-active, punished him longer, rolled out a reform plan for Rice and/or fired him then, and also released the video....he still has a job and Rice does too potentially.
All ADs should take crisis management courses which include identifying potential crisis before they happen.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 05, 2013, 11:36:11 AM
Rice deserved to be fired.
However, I am a little disturbed with the public drumbeat to oust Pernetti.
Fair enough. To me, Pernetti is a much a casualty of circumstance as of anything else.
Given what transpired at Penn State (ie administration cover ups, lack of transparity, etc.), Pernetti was bound to be fired. He is not being fired because of the suspension he issued. He is being fired because nothing was revealed when he issued the suspension. Transparity is the real culprit. Had Pernetti released the videos when he issued the suspension, we'd be in a different ball game.
Quote from: mu03eng on April 05, 2013, 11:38:44 AM
I agree with you CAM. And once again it isn't the act itself it's the "cover-up" that gets you. The AD is out because he saw the video and only suspended him 3 days. If he had been pro-active, punished him longer, rolled out a reform plan for Rice and/or fired him then, and also released the video....he still has a job and Rice does too potentially.
All ADs should take crisis management courses which include identifying potential crisis before they happen.
Ha. Beat me to it. Agreed.
What's next? firing coaches/ADs for cursing? verbal abuse
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
What's next? firing coaches/ADs for cursing? verbal abuse
Did you see the tape? It was beyond verbal abuse. There is no doubt that Rice should have been fired.
Quote from: mu03eng on April 05, 2013, 11:38:44 AM
I agree with you CAM. And once again it isn't the act itself it's the "cover-up" that gets you. The AD is out because he saw the video and only suspended him 3 days. If he had been pro-active, punished him longer, rolled out a reform plan for Rice and/or fired him then, and also released the video....he still has a job and Rice does too potentially.
All ADs should take crisis management courses which include identifying potential crisis before they happen.
I strongly suspect the answer as to why neither Rice and Pernetti took this more seriously is that behind closed doors of practices, without cameras running, this stuff happens far more frequently than anyone wants to admit.
Did Rice pick up these habits from O'Neill? Did he see it from other head coaches at other stops along his career? I have to admit that this was the first thought that came to mind. And if so, no wonder he didn't think much of it.
My bet is that there are plenty of ADs and coaches out there today thinking "there but for the grace of God" and vowing to change their approach.
I've played games of jail dodgeball in grade school that were more physical. Mrs. Correlo would piss on this video.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 05, 2013, 11:55:30 AM
Did you see the tape? It was beyond verbal abuse. There is no doubt that Rice should have been fired.
I understand that it was much more than verbal abuse. However, at this rate, coaches may get fired for verbal abuse as well
Can you still play dodgeball or smear the queer at elementary schools?
Motta shoved a player during a game. I wonder if anyone has tapes of his practices?
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 11:59:59 AM
I understand that it was much more than verbal abuse. However, at this rate, coaches may get fired for verbal abuse as well
I'm no liberal, but calling someone a "f@ggot" just seems counterproductive. It's not clever nor does it intimidate anyone other than someone who is gay.
Can we at least agree that the verbal abuse wasn't creative?
Just glad this turd will be in another conference soon.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
What's next? firing coaches/ADs for cursing? verbal abuse
Replace the gay slurs with racial slurs. Would that still be acceptable to you?
Quote from: sixstrings03 on April 05, 2013, 12:06:57 PM
I'm no liberal, but calling someone a "f@ggot" just seems counterproductive. It's not clever nor does it intimidate anyone other than someone who is gay.
Can we at least agree that the verbal abuse wasn't creative?
Ok, let's agree to have a list of acceptable verbally abusive terms. Maybe it should be limited to a private female body part and no gay slurs
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Ok, let's agree to have a list of acceptable verbally abusive terms. Maybe it should be limited to a private female body part and no gay slurs
Ha I don't care I'm just saying be creative. If the purpose is to get someone's attention I guess I don't know that "f@ggot" would get mine, unless it had a creative pairing with some other spicy adjectives.
The lack of creativity/entertainment value was more offensive to me.
I would like to see a Bobby Knight comment.
Mike Montgomery and big nose should be out.
(http://i.imgur.com/9X5bKjn.gif)
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Ok, let's agree to have a list of acceptable verbally abusive terms. Maybe it should be limited to a private female body part and no gay slurs
There are no acceptable "verbally abusive terms."
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 05, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
Mike Montgomery and big nose should be out.
(http://i.imgur.com/9X5bKjn.gif)
why?
Quote from: damuts222 on April 05, 2013, 12:15:21 PM
I would like to see a Bobby Knight comment.
Can you imagine having tapes of Knight's practices?
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 05, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
There are no acceptable "verbally abusive terms."
Ok, so If a coach calls a player "lazy" in a harsh tone, is that verbal abuse. You see where this is going?
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 12:23:25 PM
Ok, so If a coach calls a player "lazy" in a harsh tone, is that verbal abuse. You see where this is going?
Uhh...no. Slippery slope arguments can be stupid when they are reduced to stuff like this.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 05, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Uhh...no. Slippery slope arguments can be stupid when they are reduced to stuff like this.
It's just coaching "political correctness"
Question for Stone Cold and Alien Warrior:
Do you believe Mike Rice's behavior as depicted in the video is acceptable?
No, if's, and's or but's. No comparisons and no qualifications. Just, simply, do you find it acceptable? Yes or no.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 12:32:14 PM
It's just coaching "political correctness"
Uh...no.
If you can't see that calling someone a "f*ggot" is different than calling them "lazy," then I don't know what to say.
EDIT: I had to modify this post because "f*ggot" auto-corrects to "handsome person." LOL.
Let's not forget that this happened on a campus where not more than three years ago they were subjected to fierce public debate and scrutiny as a result of a particular gay student's suicide. Irrespective of your opinion on those events, the use of any homosexual slur in a typical university setting is grounds for immediate dismissal. The failure to immediately dismiss someone for such is grounds for immediate dismissal (Pernetti). The wanton failure to review despite being fully aware that video evidence of such acts existed is grounds for immediate dismissal (Barchi).
Rutgers got 2 of 3 right so far.... Barchi isn't going to last long because - surprisingly - the faculty is starting to step up; and things never bode well for a university president who loses the respect of the core employees of the university.
Quote from: MUCam on April 05, 2013, 12:37:21 PM
Question for Stone Cold and Alien Warrior:
Do you believe Mike Rice's behavior as depicted in the video is acceptable?
No, if's, and's or but's. No comparisons and no qualifications. Just, simply, do you find it acceptable? Yes or no.
No, but I like buts but not butts. I mean male butts
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 12:45:34 PM
No, but I like buts but not butts. I mean male butts
What about Butte? Do you like Butte?
It is a beautiful location, so weigh your answer carefully.
What Rice did in the video is not acceptable and the University made the right decision. Having said that, I'm fairly confident you could put together a few clips from several coaches around the country and find "unacceptable" behavior. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
Can you imagine having tapes of Knight's practices?
I went to some of them. I also went to some of KO's, Deane's, etc. Lots of colorful, salty, not for virgin ears stuff. Someone, somewhere will be offended. It's a high testosterone sandbox and things get said that some folks don't understand or are too easily offended by. Delicate flowers. I don't condone what Rice said or did, but as stated earlier, people are naive as hell if they don't think this hasn't been going on for decades and still does in basketball, football, hockey, etc. I've heard about it at a few women's practices as well (not MU). If you win, it's tolerated. If you aren't winning, bye bye.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:16:15 PM
I went to some of them. I also went to some of KO's, Deane's, etc. Lots of colorful, salty, not for virgin ears stuff. Someone, somewhere will be offended. It's a high testosterone sandbox and things get said that some folks don't understand or are too easily offended by. Delicate flowers. I don't condone what Rice said or did, but as stated earlier, people are naive as hell if they don't think this hasn't been going on for decades and still does in basketball, football, hockey, etc. I've heard about it at a few women's practices as well (not MU). If you win, it's tolerated. If you aren't winning, bye bye.
I assume that "etc" is Tom Crean? He was certainly no Tebow when it came to his use of the English language.
Quote from: 4th and State on April 05, 2013, 12:55:32 PM
What Rice did in the video is not acceptable and the University made the right decision. Having said that, I'm fairly confident you could put together a few clips from several coaches around the country and find "unacceptable" behavior. Just my 2 cents.
Absolutely. If the goal is to scour through 50 hours of video, you will be able to find 2 minutes of stuff (often out of context) that could paint coaches in a bad light, screaming, getting into someone's face, "pushing", colorful language. I had someone tell me the other day they found it offensive that the word "pus**y" was used. What's the line? Where is it drawn? Who draws it? Is the line different if you have a Final Four or National Championship under your belt?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:24:09 PM
Absolutely. If the goal is to scour through 50 hours of video, you will be able to find 2 minutes of stuff (often out of context) that could paint coaches in a bad light, screaming, getting into someone's face, "pushing", colorful language. I had someone tell me the other day they found it offensive that the word "pus**y" was used. What's the line? Where is it drawn? Who draws it? Is the line different if you have a Final Four or National Championship under your belt?
So the question for you is simple, like it was for Alien Warrior and Stone Cold.
Do you find what you saw in the Mike Rice video acceptable? Yes or no.
No explanations, no if's, and's, but's, butt's, or Butte's. No comparisons and no qualifications. Just, a simple yes or no.
Quote from: MUCam on April 05, 2013, 01:26:51 PM
So the question for you is simple, like it was for Alien Warrior and Stone Cold.
Do you find what you saw in the Mike Rice video acceptable? Yes or no.
No explanations, no if's, and's, but's, butt's, or Butte's. No comparisons. Just, a simple yes or no.
Life is not black and white.
So I will answer the question, but I will answer it completely.
"pushing"...no issue with it
cursing...no issue with it
homophobic slurs.....in today's PC world, can't do it and society has said unacceptable (to which I ask, what else is....pus**y ok? douchebag ok? Just asking)
throwing ball at head....unacceptable
Did he need to get fired? Yes. Is this stuff happening at many places to some degree? Yes. Do winning coaches have a longer leash? Yes.
Rice needed to be canned for the physical crap.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:30:47 PM
Life is not black and white.
So I will answer the question, but I will answer it completely.
"pushing"...no issue with it
cursing...no issue with it
homophobic slurs.....in today's PC world, can't do it and society has said unacceptable (to which I ask, what else is....pus**y ok? douchebag ok? Just asking)
throwing ball at head....unacceptable
Did he need to get fired? Yes. Is this stuff happening at many places to some degree? Yes. Do winning coaches have a longer leash? Yes.
Life is absolutely not black and white. But you have to define the parameters of any discussion before you enter into it. Unfortunately, you have trouble defining the parameters. You have to qualify with comparisons.
I did not ask about other programs, emphasis on winning, etc. I asked if it is acceptable. Sadly, I can't get an answer without qualification.
I'll give you my answer. No. Not acceptable.
From that point, we can then discuss why. We can discuss which actions, if not all, are unacceptable. We can discuss whether, if it is not acceptable, it becomes acceptable about certain amount of success. We can discuss all the other things you want to bring up.
Too bad you simply couldn't have answered the question posed.
Quote from: Goose on April 05, 2013, 01:33:45 PM
Rice needed to be canned for the physical crap.
MU would have lost a few coaches over the years.......
What is acceptable form of physicality? I absolutely agree, throwing a ball at someone's head is just ridiculous. Pushing them into position....I see no issue with that. If a player takes the ball in the high post, and brings it down causing the coach to blow his whistle and then blast the player's wrists hard by slapping them and does this repeatedly, causing humiliation, pain, etc....is that ok? Even if it teaches the player to no longer bring the ball down low anymore?
This is where these things always bother me because it starts to creep into the edges of an area where folks that don't understand athletics, don't understand locker rooms, etc, start to decide what can and can't be done. In this case, I have no problem with the outcome, but I do wonder what happens when the next video tape shows a coach calling someone a douche bag pus*y and people start demanding suspensions or firings because it bothers someone.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 05, 2013, 01:21:14 PM
I assume that "etc" is Tom Crean? He was certainly no Tebow when it came to his use of the English language.
Never been to a Tom Crean practice. Been to Knight, Deane, KO, Roy Williams, Ben Howland, etc, plus Angels baseball, Ducks hockey, a bunch of shoot around practices where things were not intense at all. Never been to a TC practice, but from what I heard...yes, he absolutely would be included along with many coaches at this level.
Quote from: MUCam on April 05, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Life is absolutely not black and white. But you have to define the parameters of any discussion before you enter into it. Unfortunately, you have trouble defining the parameters. You have to qualify with comparisons.
I did not ask about other programs, emphasis on winning, etc. I asked if it is acceptable. Sadly, I can't get an answer without qualification.
I'll give you my answer. No. Not acceptable.
From that point, we can then discuss why. We can discuss which actions, if not all, are unacceptable. We can discuss whether, if it is not acceptable, it becomes acceptable about certain amount of success. We can discuss all the other things you want to bring up.
Too bad you simply couldn't have answered the question posed.
Fair enough Cam, but ignoring the realities and those parameters makes it a different answer. It just does.
If Tom Izzo called someone a homophobic slur on practice tape, would he be fired? I would guess he would not. I could be wrong, but that would be my guess. Is it acceptable behavior? No.
Is cursing at a player? I have no problem with it, while many delicate flowers do.
So, to me, define the parameters better. A lot went on in that video tape. Some is unacceptable, and some is perfectly fine for me. It's not a simple yes or no answer.
Chico's
I am fully aware that in today's world MU would have lost numerous coaches if held to new standards. My take is the guy obviously is nuts and crossed the line too often. I agree that people that would not know how to put jockstrap on make broad, public statements with no knowledge of what goes on in a locker room. My guess is Fr. Kelley has seen quite a bit over the years and some not so good. That said, he understands how a locker room works and realizes a name called in locker room is not end of the world.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
MU would have lost a few coaches over the years.......
What is acceptable form of physicality? I absolutely agree, throwing a ball at someone's head is just ridiculous. Pushing them into position....I see no issue with that. If a player takes the ball in the high post, and brings it down causing the coach to blow his whistle and then blast the player's wrists hard by slapping them and does this repeatedly, causing humiliation, pain, etc....is that ok? Even if it teaches the player to no longer bring the ball down low anymore?
This is where these things always bother me because it starts to creep into the edges of an area where folks that don't understand athletics, don't understand locker rooms, etc, start to decide what can and can't be done. In this case, I have no problem with the outcome, but I do wonder what happens when the next video tape shows a coach calling someone a douche bag pus*y and people start demanding suspensions or firings because it bothers someone.
That's exactly what I've been saying. When does all this political correctness stop and yes Rice stepped over the line. The next time Rutgers orders Chinese it will be without rice
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Fair enough Cam, but ignoring the realities and those parameters makes it a different answer. It just does.
If Tom Izzo called someone a homophobic slur on practice tape, would he be fired? I would guess he would not. I could be wrong, but that would be my guess. Is it acceptable behavior? No.
Is cursing at a player? I have no problem with it, while many delicate flowers do.
So, to me, define the parameters better. A lot went on in that video tape. Some is unacceptable, and some is perfectly fine for me. It's not a simple yes or no answer.
That's fair, as well. Taken as a whole, then, is the behavior acceptable? If no, then we have to discuss which parts render it unacceptable, which is what you get to in your earlier posts.
If asked why I think it is unacceptable, I would say that the totality of the circumstances make it unacceptable. That said, I would actually agree that the only one thing, standing on its own, that is intolerable is the systematic physical abuse displayed in the form of throwing basketballs. The name calling, alone, doesn't do it. The yelling, alone, of course doesn't do it. Even the harsh grabbing and "pushing" players to make a point, doesn't do it. The basketballs thrown out of anger and without any redeeming educational value, alone, are unacceptable.
Again, whether it goes on elsewhere, is a completely separate topic. Let's first determine whether it is acceptable here. Then we can discuss why it does or does not occur other places and what that means.
PS. This is perhaps my least productive Friday ever. I chose not to go to opening day, because I have to get things done. Now, I can't do any work. I should have gone to opening day and been completely unacceptable in my behavior.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Fair enough Cam, but ignoring the realities and those parameters makes it a different answer. It just does.
If Tom Izzo called someone a homophobic slur on practice tape, would he be fired? I would guess he would not. I could be wrong, but that would be my guess. Is it acceptable behavior? No.
Is cursing at a player? I have no problem with it, while many delicate flowers do.
So, to me, define the parameters better. A lot went on in that video tape. Some is unacceptable, and some is perfectly fine for me. It's not a simple yes or no answer.
Rice's firing had nothing to do with him using a homophobic slur. It had to do with him physically confronting players. That is in no way acceptable. Angrily pushing a player to get him into the right position is one thing. Screaming in a player's face and shoving him because he made a mistake is very different.
Quote from: Goose on April 05, 2013, 01:48:09 PM
Chico's
I am fully aware that in today's world MU would have lost numerous coaches if held to new standards. My take is the guy obviously is nuts and crossed the line too often. I agree that people that would not know how to put jockstrap on make broad, public statements with no knowledge of what goes on in a locker room. My guess is Fr. Kelley has seen quite a bit over the years and some not so good. That said, he understands how a locker room works and realizes a name called in locker room is not end of the world.
I don't think Mike is nuts, but very intense. As a few articles from his colleagues have already stated, as well as his current players, he's a good guy, awesome off the court, tried to makes these guys become men. His tactics, not the greatest, but I think the comments by the current players were interesting to say the least.
Let's just require coaches take antianxiety meds so they never lose their temper. Maybe some opiates
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 05, 2013, 01:57:53 PM
Rice's firing had nothing to do with him using a homophobic slur. It had to do with him physically confronting players. That is in no way acceptable. Angrily pushing a player to get him into the right position is one thing. Screaming in a player's face and shoving him because he made a mistake is very different.
Nothing to do with it? I disagree, especially in today's world.
What homophobic term are the female basketball players subjected to in practice? Just axin'.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
That's exactly what I've been saying. When does all this political correctness stop and yes Rice stepped over the line. The next time Rutgers orders Chinese it will be without rice
Maybe that Rutgers order should be Asian food, hey?
All this sheet would be stopped pretty quickly if some of these athletes would just haul off and cold cock some of these wet hairy cat coaches. I mean, just take it to the streets.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
All this sheet would be stopped pretty quickly if some of these athletes would just haul off and cold cock some of these wet hairy cat coaches. I mean, just take it to the streets.
Just like Hugh McMahon ?sp. did to Al
Or #23
Both ballsy moves by Hugh and 23. Hardly game changers on the court, but knew how to liven up a locker room.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2013, 02:15:22 PM
What homophobic term are the female basketball players subjected to in practice? Just axin'.
If you've ever been to a Women's Final Four, you'd think the most common homosexual term in women's basketball is "teammate."
Quote from: Benny B on April 05, 2013, 02:42:44 PM
If you've ever been to a Women's Final Four, you'd think the most common homosexual term in women's basketball is "teammate."
By George I've got it. Just train the male coaches to imagine that their male players are female
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 05, 2013, 02:51:59 PM
By George I've got it. Just train the male coaches to imagine that their male players are female
Probably wouldn't have stopped Rice from using the "C" word.
True but it may have refrained him from throwing his balls at them
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
All this sheet would be stopped pretty quickly if some of these athletes would just haul off and cold cock some of these wet hairy cat coaches. I mean, just take it to the streets.
all adults. don't like it then hit him back. players had enough respect for mike they didn't care if he moved them around/threw sh.t at em, he was using it to get them better.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 05, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
all adults. don't like it then hit him back. players had enough respect for mike they didn't care if he moved them around/threw sh.t at em, he was using it to get them better.
<---- That little chart to the left that says "Standings" begs to differ on that point.
#epicfail
Quote from: warriorchick on April 05, 2013, 03:22:23 PM
Probably wouldn't have stopped Rice from using the "C" word.
Speaking of which, the brackets of cussing...the C word currently in the Elite 8, but has a tough matchup against the 2 seed.
http://deadspin.com/vote-you-vulgar-shits-the-curse-word-bracket-elite-ei-468253235
Quote from: Benny B on April 05, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
<---- That little chart to the left that says "Standings" begs to differ on that point.
#epicfail
Maybe, though I would argue they played better ball under him than his predecessors of late. They were in a lot of games the lat few years, beat some regarded teams as well.
It's interesting different people's takes. Two of the women that work for me, one was a former basketball player in HS, they were in my office and the Mike Rice stuff was on my TV. She said "can you believe all this. Society has to let men be men, this is just ridiculous. This stuff happens all the time. My brothers always used to scream and yell, my dad coached like this, it's nothing personal, it's just how men are"
Not everyone will agree, but I enjoyed hearing her say it and chuckled a bit inside. My wife is the same way, another HS bball player who has 5 older brothers. She just roles her eyes at all of this stuff.
now we know why pharmaceutical companies are throwing testosterone at these grandpas.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2013, 01:43:43 PM
Never been to a Tom Crean practice. Been to Knight, Deane, KO, Roy Williams, Ben Howland, etc, plus Angels baseball, Ducks hockey, a bunch of shoot around practices where things were not intense at all. Never been to a TC practice, but from what I heard...yes, he absolutely would be included along with many coaches at this level.
You must have been at an "open door" KO practice
My freshman year bball coach used lots of colorful language.
One game I was at the scorers table to check in. A kid from the other team says to me. "Your coach swears a lot for being at a catholic school." My answer was "yeah, he's a priest too." Kid about crapped his drawers.
ZFP
Those were the days. World has become soft and to politically correct. I loved the action back in the day. Makes for great stories and strong character.
"You can say what you want, just spell my name right!" And don't touch me!!
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on April 05, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
My freshman year bball coach used lots of colorful language.
One game I was at the scorers table to check in. A kid from the other team says to me. "Your coach swears a lot for being at a catholic school." My answer was "yeah, he's a priest too." Kid about crapped his drawers.
Thought y'all might want to get a glimpse of F*ckin' handlin' the rock. He was a mean ass mf'er too.