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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Lennys Tap on March 31, 2013, 10:45:04 AM
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Don't shoot the messenger, but evidently LW said something on WTMJ like "We hope to keep Buzz" and the folks on Dodds are going nuts.
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mupanther had a more complete summary. Some people are taking the "hope we can keep him" a little out of context and running with it.
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Why is this guy in the media? He's a microphone whore! Shut up!!!
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There is so much tinfoil over there to keep Alcoa in business for decades. 99% of them don't even have the full context of what was said. PRN is soiling himself right now, I'm sure.
And guess what, some day Buzz will leave...they all leave. I can only imagine how LW, or George Bush, or Bill Buckner will be blamed. It will be a day when popcorn sales are high around here.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5869803520/hA65664DA/)
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Again, these are just examples that Larry Williams can do no right in the eyes of some posters. LW said Buzz is one of the best young coaches in the game, did a phenomenal job with this team, and Marquette is going to do what it can to keep him, and somehow that's a BAD thing? Do you even read what you write before hitting the "post" button?
THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS AND THE EXACT TYPES OF STATEMENTS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WISHING HE WOULD MAKE SINCE HE ARRIVED!!!!!
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Keepin' a successful, hot commodity coach like Buzz is just not an end of March task. A good AD and administration should know that relationships, community, family, bonding is a 24/7, 365 days/job. Considering the amount of revenue a coach like Buzz brings into a school like Marquette, and I don't think it can be accurately measured, these white hot faces of the university, pay for themselves.
The toughest part of the task was hiring the right man for the job to begin with. Mission accomplished. Now, just don't go and f*ck it up.
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Marquette is going to do what it can to keep him
OH MY GOD! Is Buzz leaving??
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He isn't staying forever, Forever. No one does anymore. Enjoy the ride, and hope he's here for 10 to 15. Longest run of a coach at MU since Al has been 9 years. I'd love to get Buzz to 10 at a minimum, but our history has shown that to be a challenge.
The treachery....
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LW Quote: "We love having him here at Marquette. It's expected when you win to have your coaches name come up for other jobs, we hope we can keep him."
Well, heavens to Betsy.
Ahhhhhhh .. love the off-season forum topics.
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He isn't staying forever, Forever. No one does anymore. Enjoy the ride, and hope he's here for 10 to 15. Longest run of a coach at MU since Al has been 9 years. I'd love to get Buzz to 10 at a minimum, but our history has shown that to be a challenge.
The treachery....
Treason is Treachery
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He isn't staying forever, Forever. No one does anymore. Enjoy the ride, and hope he's here for 10 to 15. Longest run of a coach at MU since Al has been 9 years. I'd love to get Buzz to 10 at a minimum, but our history has shown that to be a challenge.
The treachery....
I get that. Were he to leave now, would validate the alleged friction and messin' with happy between Buzz and the administration. It wouldn't be for a better paycheck or job.
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But, but, but ... he didn't say we REALLY, REALLY want to keep Buzz at Marquette.
And only listed Buzz as "one" of the best young coaches in the game. Why not "The" best?
And what does Buzz's age have to do with it? He's a great coach period!
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LW doesn't get much leeway after buzz leaked the SMU embarrassment through IWB. We hope we keep him isn't exactly the assertive tone you want. But actions speak much louder than words so I don't really care about that. Pilarz and LW need to be assertive and aggressive in their actions. This is when u find out what your ad is made of this is showtime. We have two minor leaguers in pilarz and lw. Hopefully they're now ready for the big leagues and the competition.
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Seriously, did some people learn nothing from last year?
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LW doesn't get much leeway after buzz leaked the SMU embarrassment through IWB. We hope we keep him isn't exactly the assertive tone you want. But actions speak much louder than words so I don't really care about that. Pilarz and LW need to be assertive and aggressive in their actions. This is when u find out what your ad is made of this is showtime. We have two minor leaguers in pilarz and lw. Hopefully they're now ready for the big leagues and the competition.
Yeah, the way MU handled the Old Big East breakup/New Big East formation totally reeks of minor league administrators at the helm.
You've been spewing the same drivel for more than a year now, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Charming, though, that you think guys who came up through the ranks at Georgetown and Notre Dame, respectively, are minor leaguers.
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What is "The Dodds Board" and can u post a link?
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LW Quote: "We love having him here at Marquette. It's expected when you win to have your coaches name come up for other jobs, we hope we can keep him."
I've might be missing a word or two in that, but that's 98% correct word for word.
Anyone who has Time Warner Cable can go to channel 411 and go to the 10pm newscast on TMJ4 and fast forward to sports to see it.
I thought LW had very nice things to say about Buzz, things I've not heard him say untill last night.
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Yeah, the way MU handled the Old Big East breakup/New Big East formation totally reeks of minor league administrators at the helm.
You've been spewing the same drivel for more than a year now, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Charming, though, that you think guys who came up through the ranks at Georgetown and Notre Dame, respectively, are minor leaguers.
Please tell me which part is inaccurate. They came from Portland and Scranton respectfully. Every AD stated they led in realignment. I know Seton Hall's and St. John's ad Said they were leading the charge as well. LW ultimately faces his toughest test now and I get some people want to provide cover and some blame him unjustly. But ultimately the buck stops with him, he can't be shielded from criticism if buzz leaves sans for a few elite jobs.
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I have made peace with Buzz or any coach leaving MU.
I'd like to think that MU has created such an environment that BKB is #1.
That said, I wonder if Dodds is just driving traffic to his site with a comment any AD would make after an Elite 8 run.
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LW needs to shut his mouth and go into hiding. We're hearing way too much from this guy.
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Please tell me which part is inaccurate. They came from Portland and Scranton respectfully. Every AD stated they led in realignment. I know Seton Hall's and St. John's ad Said they were leading the charge as well. LW ultimately faces his toughest test now and I get some people want to provide cover and some blame him unjustly. But ultimately the buck stops with him, he can't be shielded from criticism if buzz leaves sans for a few elite jobs.
First, you mention their most recent jobs while ignoring where they received their training. I suspect that's because you know if you did you'd have to abandon your silly "minor league" script. Sucks when facts get in the way.
Second, the way MU has dealt with conference realignment indicates the people in charge are anything but minor leaguers. MU came out of this with the best possible situation and a significant revenue uptick. And, in the process, they exerted enough influence over the process to get one of their chosen schools - Creighton - included over at least one option reportedly preferred by other C7 members. Maybe they just got lucky riding DePau'ls coattails?
Third, could you point me in the direction of a link containing comments from the Seton Hall or St. John's AD stating they led in realignment? Or anything at all supporting your claim that they've done so?
Fourth, doesn't the fact that Buzz reportedly has shown no interest to any of the major job openings this month indicate LW and SP are doing well enough to keep him happy?
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So this year it's going to be Nagasaki? ::)
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What is "The Dodds Board" and can u post a link?
Its the other MU board/forum. Its the one run through scout. Google marquette messageboards and it should be the first or second link
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Here's the thread..
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=11427283
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I do agree with 4ever that keeping people happy is a full time job that needs to be done everyday of the year. If, and I say if, Buzz were to leave it would nothing to do with money IMO. Let's hope it was an effort by LW to show his support for Buzz and all is well.
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But, but, but ... he didn't say we REALLY, REALLY want to keep Buzz at Marquette.
And only listed Buzz as "one" of the best young coaches in the game. Why not "The" best?
And what does Buzz's age have to do with it? He's a great coach period!
Don't forget with cherries on top, too. LW forgot that.
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LW doesn't get much leeway after buzz leaked the SMU embarrassment through IWB. We hope we keep him isn't exactly the assertive tone you want. But actions speak much louder than words so I don't really care about that. Pilarz and LW need to be assertive and aggressive in their actions. This is when u find out what your ad is made of this is showtime. We have two minor leaguers in pilarz and lw. Hopefully they're now ready for the big leagues and the competition.
The fact that Buzz felt the need to leak the SMU stuff is an interesting thread all on its own. I remember another coach that used to do that and people here would have their heads exploding. Oh. THE. IRONY.
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Please tell me which part is inaccurate. They came from Portland and Scranton respectfully. Every AD stated they led in realignment. I know Seton Hall's and St. John's ad Said they were leading the charge as well. LW ultimately faces his toughest test now and I get some people want to provide cover and some blame him unjustly. But ultimately the buck stops with him, he can't be shielded from criticism if buzz leaves sans for a few elite jobs.
And Buzz came from New Orleans, yet he's doing just fine at MU.
Seriously, are you suggesting that people can't work their way up? Are you suggesting because an Athletic Director came from Portland or the President from Scranton they can't succeed? Good thing we never hired a coach from a small place like Belmont Abby.
Of course, Stone, you also ignore the national articles that say MU and Georgetown led this, including a power struggle with the two schools over the final school (Richmond or Creighton)....I wonder who won that power struggle.
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I do agree with 4ever that keeping people happy is a full time job that needs to be done everyday of the year. If, and I say if, Buzz were to leave it would nothing to do with money IMO. Let's hope it was an effort by LW to show his support for Buzz and all is well.
Goose, do you believe happy people can still leave for other jobs? Perfectly content people, that may want a different challenge, different scenery, different pace?
Keeping someone happy is one thing, but it doesn't guarantee anything in my experience.
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Anyone read this yet?
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=11428270
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He isn't staying forever, Forever. No one does anymore. Enjoy the ride, and hope he's here for 10 to 15. Longest run of a coach at MU since Al has been 9 years. I'd love to get Buzz to 10 at a minimum, but our history has shown that to be a challenge.
The treachery....
Well that's somewhat incorrect. There are plenty of coaches that will be/ already are lifers. No reason Marquette/Buzz couldn't.
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Pretty sure every other AD wasn't sitting on their a$$ waiting for Larry to make the rounds. Everyone came together to agree on this conference which was frankly an obvious outcome.
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Chico's
No doubt sometimes people leave jobs they are happy at. Often it would be for money, family reasons or career advancement. I personally would never fault anyone for following those guidelines, actually respect all three a great deal. I was not implying Buzz is not happy. Was responding to 4ever's post which I believe does come into play. Every employer should work daily to make their environment the best possible for their employees. If that is accomplished employer can look himself in the mirror if they lose key employee.
One thing that makes confident is that from what I have heard firsthand is Dick Strong was a master at making great environment, especially for people he wanted to keep.
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Chico's
No doubt sometimes people leave jobs they are happy at. Often it would be for money, family reasons or career advancement. I personally would never fault anyone for following those guidelines, actually respect all three a great deal. I was not implying Buzz is not happy. Was responding to 4ever's post which I believe does come into play. Every employer should work daily to make their environment the best possible for their employees. If that is accomplished employer can look himself in the mirror if they lose key employee.
One thing that makes confident is that from what I have heard firsthand is Dick Strong was a master at making great environment, especially for people he wanted to keep.
So what yer saying is Strong wants Buzz out?
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PTM
My guess is Dick Strong wants Buzz to be here a long time. My point was Strong's role has been large in the program and hopefully his business style has been copied over the years. His fingerprints are everywhere on program and I hope the culture he utilized in his business life has been used to some degree at MU.
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A letter similar to the Providence AD from Larry to the MU faithful on the success this year and the intentions to do everything they can to keep Buzz as a long term representative of the school, etc., etc. would go a long way for Larry right now.
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Well that's somewhat incorrect. There are plenty of coaches that will be/ already are lifers. No reason Marquette/Buzz couldn't.
No one is a lifer until they retire as a lifer. How many are left? Coach K, Coach Boeheim (who may be asked to leave before he wants to). Coach Izzo can still leave, he has been close in the past. Those guys already have 20+ into it.
The odds of him staying a lifer are so small that I'm going with the stats to say he won't be. I'll enjoy him while he is here. It just doesn't happen anymore. I would love for him to do it, but preparing as if he won't.
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A letter similar to the Providence AD from Larry to the MU faithful on the success this year and the intentions to do everything they can to keep Buzz as a long term representative of the school, etc., etc. would go a long way for Larry right now.
No it wouldn't, you guys that hate him for
A) being a Notre Dame grad
B) having the audacity of saying we need to clean some things up
C) don't like his baseball caps
would complain anyway. It wouldn't do a thing. Your minds are made up. And when Buzz leaves, which 99.9% of coaches do at some point, you'll blame him (even if LW is long gone). It's how it works here.
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Lifers are tough to find today and do not expect anyone to be a lifer. Would love to see a 10 year+ run by Buzz and see what happens from there. My biggest issue is why MU coaches always are mentioned? Last year I mentioned why isn't Mike Brey ever mentioned for opening? Not comparing him to Buzz, but for some reason folks think MU is farm system for college coaches. I would love to get out of that rut.
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No it wouldn't, you guys that hate him for
A) being a Notre Dame grad
B) having the audacity of saying we need to clean some things up
C) don't like his baseball caps
would complain anyway. It wouldn't do a thing. Your minds are made up. And when Buzz leaves, which 99.9% of coaches do at some point, you'll blame him (even if LW is long gone). It's how it works here.
It is true, many people on here have their demarcation line drawn....on both sides. With your dislike of JUCOs and thirst for traditionals unfortunately you have developed overt biases on this issue.
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No it wouldn't, you guys that hate him for
A) being a Notre Dame grad
B) having the audacity of saying we need to clean some things up
C) don't like his baseball caps
would complain anyway. It wouldn't do a thing. Your minds are made up. And when Buzz leaves, which 99.9% of coaches do at some point, you'll blame him (even if LW is long gone). It's how it works here.
Don't forget his Shaved Head with Goatee look. Such a cliché.
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Anyone read this yet?
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=11428270
Buzz and LW haven't spoken in months? Interesting. Well, the MU folks I know in the athletic department and other departments at the university say that is 100% bullshyte. Is there some tension, sure....but that poster loses all credibility with that comment.
I also love this part of his\her post "when Cottingham was unceremoniously ushered out the door". Uhm, what in the hell was MU supposed to do, keep him around? Did Mrs. Cottingham write that post over there?
Now I have to go take a shower to get that stink off from going over there.
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Chico's
Only thing that bothers me about the link you just referenced was the guy sounds like Big Daddy from this site. His writing style and thorough attention has Big Daddy ring to me. Many on here have great respect for BD and his posts. He dos not post often, but when does most on here listen.
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Whatever the issue is with Buzz and LW, it sounds pretty petty unless there is A LOT that we don't know.
Buzz should not want all yes men around him. It's better for him and the university to have a strong administrator. Buzz is all about accountability from his players, so it doesn't really make sense that Buzz would have such a big problem with a coach accountable to an AD in some fashion. It sounds overblown to me.
It doesn't sound like LW is telling Buzz what to do or who to recruit. It sounds like Buzz has all of the resources he needs. Under LW, Buzz and MU have had success in the tournament and on the recruiting trail. It seems to be working to me.
LW and Fr. Pilarz should maybe have a beer with Buzz if this relationship thing is that big of a deal. But, I'd be shocked if the grass was greener anywhere else. You are never going to have great relationships with 100% of your co-workers.
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Buzz and LW haven't spoken in months? Interesting. Well, the MU folks I know in the athletic department and other departments at the university say that is 100% bullshyte. Is there some tension, sure....but that poster loses all credibility with that comment.
I also love this part of his\her post "when Cottingham was unceremoniously ushered out the door". Uhm, what in the hell was MU supposed to do, keep him around? Did Mrs. Cottingham write that post over there?
I call bull on that post as well.
their are people I hate at my workplace but I talk to them just because. Plus he says he has only been following marquette since Buzz got the job yet it his handle is
"Marquette71"
I cant imagine Larry would be that stupid either. He knows what is good for Goose is good for the Gander and that if he forced Buzz out he will become wiiillldllyyyy unpopular!!
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It is true, many people on here have their demarcation line drawn....on both sides. With your dislike of JUCOs and thirst for traditionals unfortunately you have developed overt biases on this issue.
I don't dislike JUCOs, I don't think we need a roster of 4 or 5 of them. It's not how you build a consistent program.
I don't want a roster full of traditionals, I would like 1 or 2 that can shoot the ball....we are a horrible shooting team.
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Don't shoot the messenger, but evidently LW said something on WTMJ like "We hope to keep Buzz" and the folks on Dodds are going nuts.
Jeez, thanks for doing us all a service and bringing this to our attention.
Message board nitwits, being message board nitwits. NEWS AT 11.
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I call bull on that post as well.
their are people I hate at my workplace but I talk to them just because. Plus he says he has only been following marquette since Buzz got the job yet it his handle is
"Marquette71"
I cant imagine Larry would be that stupid either. He knows what is good for Goose is good for the Gander and that if he forced Buzz out he will become wiiillldllyyyy unpopular!!
If you look at his username, it says he has been a member since...4/3/2008
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Whatever the issue is with Buzz and LW, it sounds pretty petty unless there is A LOT that we don't know.
Buzz should not want all yes men around him. It's better for him and the university to have a strong administrator. Buzz is all about accountability from his players, so it doesn't really make sense that Buzz would have such a big problem with a coach accountable to an AD in some fashion. It sounds overblown to me.
It doesn't sound like LW is telling Buzz what to do or who to recruit. It sounds like Buzz has all of the resources he needs. Under LW, Buzz and MU have had success in the tournament and on the recruiting trail. It seems to be working to me.
LW and Fr. Pilarz should maybe have a beer with Buzz if this relationship thing is that big of a deal. But, I'd be shocked if the grass was greener anywhere else. You are never going to have great relationships with 100% of your co-workers.
agree. I am certain this is one giant non-story.
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If you look at his username, it says he has been a member since...4/3/2008
Shoot than I guess we are F#4ked
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Chico's
Only thing that bothers me about the link you just referenced was the guy sounds like Big Daddy from this site. His writing style and thorough attention has Big Daddy ring to me. Many on here have great respect for BD and his posts. He dos not post often, but when does most on here listen.
And if it is true, it would mean that someone is peddling that stuff out there in the public and who would that be? People here already seem to be saying Buzz peddled stuff off to IWB, so there's a history of peddling info already if that is true.
That's the irony of that guy's post over there. He's saying that LW is trying a power play here and doing everything he can to move Buzz out behind the scenes. Then what would he describe as someone that is putting out other information to AAU, HS coaches, etc, behind the scenes about their relationship? Goes both ways...if it were true.
LW isn't stupid, and neither is Buzz despite the country bumpkin persona. Charles Barkley nailed that yesterday in the pregame. These are not stupid men.
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Here is an interesting paradigm:
How can MU Athletics and the MU board make a home run hire in Buzz, and then make the world's worst hire with LW?
A LOT of people were HIGHLY critical of BW in 2008. When Mbakwe and Taylor didn't make it to campus, that only added to the fear.
Maybe take a breath and see how Larry actually performs?
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Chico 's
I have no idea who posted that or reason behind it. Only mentioned BD because he always writes well thought posts and great attention to detail. If memory serves me he has said much of what that post has said in regards to the positive side of Buzz and his family. I would hope that no real players in a coaching saga (if this is one) would you use these types of forums to benefit their cause. Again, I am not suggesting any motives of any kind, only saying writing styles and content very similar.
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This is such stupid gossip crap. I swear some people are middle school girls. And "that time of the month" is the entire offseason.
- Last year it was Buzz doesn't like how LW is more hands-on with the program (regarding off-court issues)... This sounds totally reasonable to me that friction would occur and that some oversight was necessary.
- During the offseason LW and MU paid him $2m in a one-time retention payment, extended his contract, and gave him $750k to hire Chew from Illinois
- We have a season with zero public off-court issues and an Elite 8
- Now Buzz doesn't like how LW never talks to him to say "good job"?
I get wanting control over your program and resources, but if Buzz can't handle LW not being his buddy (which I doubt) then let him effing move on, thats obnoxious regardless.
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A lot of people don't necessarily like their bosses. Just try finding a job that pays $2.8 million with a private jet and a fan base that thinks you are great. If he finds it and walks, so be it. But he is close to making this program really big again. There is a lot to keep him around as well.
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All of this sh## is getting boring. If Buzz leaves for a new gig because he wants to so be it. If Buzz leaves because LW is a douche then we have a big problem. if LW is the problem then Pilarz is not far behind. LW is not his own island, he gets his marching orders from the Prez.
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All of this sh## is getting boring. If Buzz leaves for a new gig because he wants to so be it. If Buzz leaves because LW is a douche then we have a big problem. if LW is the problem then Pilarz is not far behind. LW is not his own island, he gets his marching orders from the Prez.
if Buzz leaves because Lw is a douche then he's a thin skinned kitten... That's doesn't sound like Buzz.
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Guns
Solid point. I would say that I am probably numb over the topic and waiting to see what happens. Truthfully have no strong opinion about LW and do not believe the whole story, good or bad, will ever be told. Folks are two sides of the discussion and probably never will change their opinions regardless of outcome.
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Will the board feel better once that Minnesotta job is filled?
I think that is part of the tension we are feeling on this board. The fact that Buzz might go to a lower profile job is scary for all of us. Just like SMU last year, and sort of why nobody really cared about UCLA because if he took that job than it would have been no deal.
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Buzz should be careful if he left MU because he doesn't like LW also. That would be two jobs (New Orleans the other) where Buzz may have quit on the program because he was unhappy about something with the administration. It would be a pattern. If Buzz ever leaves, and hopefully he never does, he would likely be at a big time program and would be in danger of a quick hook if the administration was afraid that Buzz would turn on them when things get hard.
Buzz is in unfamiliar territory too. He has gone from a hard worker who was trying to break into the business to a multi-millionaire and minor celebrity. He isn't used to staying in one place and sustaining relationships. Its easy to be cordial for a year or two at one place, but now Buzz is in a new spot where he is seeing people come and go, and he is the one staying.
If I was Buzz, I would stay at Marquette until I retire. But, if he doesn't want that, I would stay at Marquette and build up more credibility as a coach with the recruiting classes coming in. Then, I would move my family one more time total. I wouldn't want to bounce around three or four more times. Hopefully this will all blow over and Buzz will want the challenge and opportunity of winning at MU. Marquette seems to have almost everything he wants, so I would really question if the grass were greener anywhere else.
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Understood Goose. As stated, I've heard about the tensions as well, but saying they haven't spoke in months is just flat wrong. Two stubborn men, both of whom have backgrounds that are much different than the others and I truly believe that is part of what is going on here. Buzz is a JUCO guy, so he doesn't like to hear we might want to pull back a bit on JUCOs....as an example. Buzz loves his players and is willing to take risks with some. That's fine. An administrator or President of a school has to view things through a different prism because MU is a university, not a basketball pro franchise.
All three parties want to win. They will find common ground. If they don't, then there will be changes. But every time I hear about how bad the relationship is with Buzz and Larry, I have to ask who is putting that information out there? Considering who has the relationships with those saying those things, Goodman, etc....well it's fairly obvious where that is coming from. Not sure if stirring the pot in the media like that is going to help his cause with his bosses (the AD or President).
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If you look at his username, it says he has been a member since...4/3/2008
So it's Corey?
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Chico's
Completely agree with your first paragraph. The issue is probably very well started in that paragraph. I said last year the school can chose to go any direction they want to and should be able to do that. We are not a pro franchise and administration and BOT always should do what is best for the big picture.
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Well, what if some certain influential boosters feel alienated by LW and Father P?? Then what??
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Well, what if some certain influential boosters feel alienated by LW and Father P?? Then what??
They can go to the Board of Trustees. They can spend their money elsewhere. They can start their own university. They can work it all out like big boys and girls.
Lots of options, some realistic, some not.
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I assume nothing is "official" on the Buzz front until we get a tweet from IWB
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LW needs to shut his mouth and go into hiding. We're hearing way too much from this guy.
And some people says he doesn't say enough publicly to support Buzz.
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Another very disturbing account of the LW/Buzz rift from "someone in the know" in the same thread on Dodd's board. I sure would like to dismiss both of them as garbage, but there's been far too much smoke to be no flame.
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Well, what if some certain influential boosters feel alienated by LW and Father P?? Then what??
Then Marquette will have to find new revenue streams to pay the bills.
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Buzz should be careful if he left MU because he doesn't like LW also. That would be two jobs (New Orleans the other) where Buzz may have quit on the program because he was unhappy about something with the administration. It would be a pattern. If Buzz ever leaves, and hopefully he never does, he would likely be at a big time program and would be in danger of a quick hook if the administration was afraid that Buzz would turn on them when things get hard.
Buzz is in unfamiliar territory too. He has gone from a hard worker who was trying to break into the business to a multi-millionaire and minor celebrity. He isn't used to staying in one place and sustaining relationships. Its easy to be cordial for a year or two at one place, but now Buzz is in a new spot where he is seeing people come and go, and he is the one staying.
If I was Buzz, I would stay at Marquette until I retire. But, if he doesn't want that, I would stay at Marquette and build up more credibility as a coach with the recruiting classes coming in. Then, I would move my family one more time total. I wouldn't want to bounce around three or four more times. Hopefully this will all blow over and Buzz will want the challenge and opportunity of winning at MU. Marquette seems to have almost everything he wants, so I would really question if the grass were greener anywhere else.
Yes, good points all.
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If Larry Williams creates discord with Buzz he should be fired, plain and simple. He needs to shut up. what in the world does he need to be talking to the media about? Honestly? anybody ever hear of Cords talking to the media? The AD job at Marquette is a joke role. The head basketball coach is not.
Losing Buzz because of some egotistical figure head AD would be catastrophic.
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If Larry Williams creates discord with Buzz he should be fired, plain and simple. He needs to shut up. what in the world does he need to be talking to the media about? Honestly? anybody ever hear of Cords talking to the media? The AD job at Marquette is a joke role. The head basketball coach is not.
Losing Buzz because of some egotistical figure head AD would be catastrophic.
And you would stop supporting MU as you said in the past. A double whammy.....much catastrophe
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Buzz and LW haven't spoken in months? Interesting. Well, the MU folks I know in the athletic department and other departments at the university say that is 100% bullshyte.
From everything I've heard from AD people, Chicos is right. This is all crap. Buzz and Larry don't hate each other.
I'm convinced the entire situation last year was IWB's attempt to get hits to his crappy website. Somehow it looks like an 80s website even thought the Internet wasn't around then.
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From everything I've heard from AD people, Chicos is right. This is all crap. Buzz and Larry don't hate each other.
I'm convinced the entire situation last year was IWB's attempt to get hits to his crappy website. Somehow it looks like an 80s website even thought the Internet wasn't around then.
From people who work for Larry?
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From people who've been there before Larry even got there.
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I do wish they would have chosen Broeker as AD but I have no problems with Larry Williams as AD.
He makes a positive statement towards wanting Buzz and somehow people turn it into the complete opposite.
I love Scoop yet hate it at the same time.
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Then Marquette will have to find new revenue streams to pay the bills.
Like what? Maybe we could raise tuition to 60,000 a year and call ourselves Ivy League.
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From people who've been there before Larry even got there.
Also from people outside the AD who would know full well if LW and Buzz hated each other.
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The fact that Buzz felt the need to leak the SMU stuff is an interesting thread all on its own. I remember another coach that used to do that and people here would have their heads exploding. Oh. THE. IRONY.
Do you have proof of this - or does it just fit your narrative?
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Here is an interesting paradigm:
How can MU Athletics and the MU board make a home run hire in Buzz, and then make the world's worst hire with LW?
Chicos believes they were stupid when they hired Buzz - remember the "process" thing? He evidently likes the process used in the LW hiring and backs him on everything, even though he hasn't passed his very own 5 year test. Funny, eh?
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Past off season shook me up, hopefully this off season will restore my faith in Larry and Pilarz. I wish them success, we've entered prime time.
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Past off season shook me up, hopefully this off season will restore my faith in Larry and Pilarz. I wish them success, we've entered prime time.
Last season was caused by a man looking for website traffic and paranoid fans. Keep clam and ahoya on.
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Last season was caused by a man looking for website traffic and paranoid fans. Keep clam and ahoya on.
IWB is a liar? I've never known him to lie in the past. He's been pretty responsible with info in the past.
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IWB is a liar? I've never known him to lie in the past. He's been pretty responsible with info in the past.
I forgot what he said exactly but I wouldn't call it a lie. If I remember it was more of a vague statement that would knowing cause speculation.
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IWB is a liar? I've never known him to lie in the past. He's been pretty responsible with info in the past.
There's a pretty sizable crevasse between truth and lie. Unfortunately, in a world where page views are the primary goal, writers will twist and bend the truth - or just write garbage - in order to drive that page counter up. That doesn't mean these guys are liars... some of them might actually be stand-up guys and/or decent journalists... but they do know where their bread is buttered.
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There's a pretty sizable crevasse between truth and lie. Unfortunately, in a world where page views are the primary goal, writers will twist and bend the truth - or just write garbage - in order to drive that page counter up. That doesn't mean these guys are liars... some of them might actually be stand-up guys and/or decent journalists... but they do know where their bread is buttered.
This.
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IWB has always had close contact with our coaches and insider information, specifically dealing with inside information from the MU coach on recruiting. At least during the 10+ years he's been doing this he's been responsible. IWB was never irresponsible at the different websites he has been at, just randomly speculating. Finding out about things like grade standards being changed, etc. have had to come from "insider" information guys, the AD won't straight up tell the MU faithful. If Buzz wants to get his side out he does it through friends like IWB, Jeff Goodman, etc.
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Do you have proof of this - or does it just fit your narrative?
Really. You might want to read a few threads here about that entire incident. Let's start here...not my narrative
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32045.msg381848#msg381848
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As TallTitan said:
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Chicos believes they were stupid when they hired Buzz - remember the "process" thing? He evidently likes the process used in the LW hiring and backs him on everything, even though he hasn't passed his very own 5 year test. Funny, eh?
Nope.
Why don't you go back and read what I said 5 years ago and comments since....try again. I said time and again, "so far so good" with Buzz. Didn't like the process, but once he was hired was on board. Go back and read and stop making crap up.
On the 5 years, I have said and been consistent from day one that I would ULTIMATELY judge someone 5 years later, but so far so good. I have seen too many Bruiser Flints, Steve Lavins, Mike Deanes, that started out great but were gone by year 5. That was my point. I NEVER said you wait until 5 years and ignore things a long the way and suddenly you have this grand decision at year 5. Funny how often you confuse these things or just blatantly lie about them....with your advanced age I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that's it merely fatigue on your part.
And since when does 5 years apply to other professions? It doesn't. I use it for coaches and never said a word about any other profession, but nice try.
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From people who've been there before Larry even got there.
In my case, people that have been there LONG before Larry got there and some that aren't in Athletics but know what the heck is going on.
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I do wish they would have chosen Broeker as AD but I have no problems with Larry Williams as AD.
He makes a positive statement towards wanting Buzz and somehow people turn it into the complete opposite.
I love Scoop yet hate it at the same time.
Tall, they couldn't. With what went down, all the nonsense, they had to go outside of the department and university. They really had no choice.
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IWB has always had close contact with our coaches and insider information, specifically dealing with inside information from the MU coach on recruiting. At least during the 10+ years he's been doing this he's been responsible. IWB was never irresponsible at the different websites he has been at, just randomly speculating. Finding out about things like grade standards being changed, etc. have had to come from "insider" information guys, the AD won't straight up tell the MU faithful. If Buzz wants to get his side out he does it through friends like IWB, Jeff Goodman, etc.
Just my opinion, but I think you're way overestimating the relationship between Buzz and his "friends."
Personally, I just can't see Buzz finding it necessary to get his side out... ever. If he has something to say, Lord knows he's going to say it himself.
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Tall, they couldn't. With what went down, all the nonsense, they had to go outside of the department and university. They really had no choice.
That's a good point. It's a shame though. Mike would be great AD.
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Just my opinion, but I think you're way overestimating the relationship between Buzz and his "friends."
Personally, I just can't see Buzz finding it necessary to get his side out... ever. If he has something to say, Lord knows he's going to say it himself.
If we assume IWB didn't start lying or wildly speculating last off season (not gonna vouch for Goodman, Parrish, etc. cause I haven't followed them) then Buzz did say something to people he knows.
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He didn't lie. He just made statements that led to speculation.
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Just my opinion, but I think you're way overestimating the relationship between Buzz and his "friends."
Personally, I just can't see Buzz finding it necessary to get his side out... ever. If he has something to say, Lord knows he's going to say it himself.
Most coaches at this level have conduits and Buzz is no exception. Buzz and Goodman are tight according to many folks. Knight had his guy (Bob Hammel) at the Bloomington Herald as an example.
And why do you think it wouldn't be necessary to get his side out? He may not be, but coaches do it. It's a form of leverage.
People use wedges all the time to get what they want and the press, in this industry, is a wedge a coach has available to him. It's a way to pit alumni, boosters, etc, against the school, administration, etc, if one wishes to go down that path. The danger, of course, is you better be in demand and on the upswing or it falls flat. Power shifts in an athletic department, I saw it first hand at IU with Bobby (he had all the power) and at MU. I have friends who are AD's now. The power a coach can yield, when they are hot, is pretty impressive. It can put an AD in a very tough spot. Some coaches will do so to get what they want, whether that is money, more money for assistants, more lenient admissions policies for athletes, etc.
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That's a good point. It's a shame though. Mike would be great AD.
He is young, he'll get his shot.
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He is young, he'll get his shot.
That's my worry. I don't want Marquette to lose him.
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This crap every year really sucks the joy out of savoring such a wonderful season.
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IWB has always had close contact with our coaches and insider information, specifically dealing with inside information from the MU coach on recruiting. At least during the 10+ years he's been doing this he's been responsible. IWB was never irresponsible at the different websites he has been at, just randomly speculating. Finding out about things like grade standards being changed, etc. have had to come from "insider" information guys, the AD won't straight up tell the MU faithful. If Buzz wants to get his side out he does it through friends like IWB, Jeff Goodman, etc.
And by "insider information guys" do you mean "people capable of reading the Marquette athletics website?"
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
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the guy sounds like Big Daddy
From Cat on a Hot Tin Roof?
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And by "insider information guys" do you mean "people capable of reading the Marquette athletics website?"
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
It was reported by IWB long before it was public on the gomarquette site. Hell, I knew about it about three months before it was on the site.
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It would be a pattern.
Like Larry Brown?? Coach Brown had a pattern, too. Larry was boning coeds at KU and UCLA...a significant factor in his departure from both schools. Thank God for the NBA. Can't wait to hear about panties dropping in Dallas.
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And you would stop supporting MU as you said in the past. A double whammy.....much catastrophe
Actually, Chico, there is no doubting the Puerto Rican Nightmare's loyalty to Marquette. The same cannot be said for all "contributors" here. I find the Nightmare's perspective refreshing.
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Really. You might want to read a few threads here about that entire incident. Let's start here...not my narrative
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32045.msg381848#msg381848
Hoopaloop must have told you about this since this was during your exile. Here's Hoop's reply to Lenny:
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 29, 2012, 12:36:31 PM
Saying that Marquette has allowed Buzz to take "kids that historically MU has not allowed" is inaccurate, and if it refers to Jucos smacks of bigotry. Al took Jucos, Crean took Jucos and furthermore road the coattails of a kid MU most certainly historically didn't allow (prop 48) all the way to Bloomington.
I've been told by others you like to guess at what people are thinking and then deciding that is what they said. Roll Eyes
I would note I didn't say Jucos and have actually stated on several occasions that I have zero issues with any JUCOs. None. To your point, MU has taken Jucos before, one of my favorites was Marcus Jackson. Jae Crowder was another. Tyrone Baldwin another.
Since you didn't comment on anything else in my post, is it safe to assume that you agree he is well compensated, that his basketball budget is top notch, etc?
All this ball squeezing that is supposedly going on, what is it? Where is it? His pay? No. His recruiting budget? No. His overall budget? No. His ability to recruit kids? No (you said so yourself).
Where and what is the ball squeezing? This has been asked over and over again in the 100+ page thread of you, Goose, and the others that are throwing out this line that he is somehow under the thumb of the university. Please be specific.
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It was reported by IWB long before it was public on the gomarquette site. Hell, I knew about it about three months before it was on the site.
OK.
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Most coaches at this level have conduits and Buzz is no exception. Buzz and Goodman are tight according to many folks. Knight had his guy (Bob Hammel) at the Bloomington Herald as an example.
And why do you think it wouldn't be necessary to get his side out? He may not be, but coaches do it. It's a form of leverage.
People use wedges all the time to get what they want and the press, in this industry, is a wedge a coach has available to him. It's a way to pit alumni, boosters, etc, against the school, administration, etc, if one wishes to go down that path. The danger, of course, is you better be in demand and on the upswing or it falls flat. Power shifts in an athletic department, I saw it first hand at IU with Bobby (he had all the power) and at MU. I have friends who are AD's now. The power a coach can yield, when they are hot, is pretty impressive. It can put an AD in a very tough spot. Some coaches will do so to get what they want, whether that is money, more money for assistants, more lenient admissions policies for athletes, etc.
So do MU AD's, see Walker, Don.
So do competing schools with a jealous recruiting agenda, see Potrykus, Jeff.
So do AD's at schools in Texas looking to hire a coach. See Orsini, Steve
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Really. You might want to read a few threads here about that entire incident. Let's start here...not my narrative
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32045.msg381848#msg381848
I'm not trying to call you out.
But it looks like more speculation. I think we all know that Buzz talked to SMU. You repeated something from Stone Cold - I think it was - that Buzz felt the need to need to leak the SMU stuff. I haven't seen any proof that Buzz leaked anything.
I'm hoping we don't have to read posts here for the next 7 months on an almost daily basis from "insiders" who are merely "speculators" and rumor-starters.
And again - you were merely repeating someone else's comment, but repeating it as thouigh it were fact.
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Well played Keefe.
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Like Larry Brown?? Coach Brown had a pattern, too. Larry was boning coeds at KU and UCLA...a significant factor in his departure from both schools. Thank God for the NBA. Can't wait to hear about panties dropping in Dallas.
Reminds me of a certain MU coach
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So do MU AD's, see Walker, Don.
So do competing schools with a jealous recruiting agenda, see Potrykus, Jeff.
So do AD's at schools in Texas looking to hire a coach. See Orsini, Steve
Yes, and in this case the people reporting about the relationship aren't the AD's media contacts...correct? In fact, they are anything but.
It would be nice to see Buzz chat it up with his media guys and say "look, we had some issues. My best friend was fired from my staff (because he lied) and I've had two other very public incidents last year that didn't make life for me or the administration pleasant. That's over with now, we're better. Please stop reporting that I have an issue with the AD...we've moved on"
Unless that isn't the case and certain people still want that out there. Personally, I'd like to see both sides stop the BS, stop using the media to push this bull crap and let's get on with moving this program forward.
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Hoopaloop must have told you about this since this was during your exile. Here's Hoop's reply to Lenny:
No, by that time I could read the posts here again. I wasn't blocked out any longer once KB showed me how to clear the right cookie after many months. Plus, Rob let me use his login at that point as well. So I was able to read Armageddon or Hiroshima or whatever it was called...it was epic.
Search is a great feature here, that's what I used today to find that link.
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Actually, Chico, there is no doubting the Puerto Rican Nightmare's loyalty to Marquette. The same cannot be said for all "contributors" here. I find the Nightmare's perspective refreshing.
I'm not doubting his loyalty...he said if Buzz left and he perceived his leaving to be at the hands of MU's administration, he was going to leave too. His words, not mine.
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I respect PRN and his loyalty to MU ball.
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I want Buzz to stay at MU. The culture is now his own in the program.
I think 99% of us want him to stay. Can't please the 1%.
IN BUZZ I/WE TRUST!!!
WE ARE! MARQUETTE!
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Another very disturbing account of the LW/Buzz rift from "someone in the know" in the same thread on Dodd's board. I sure would like to dismiss both of them as garbage, but there's been far too much smoke to be no flame.
C'mon, the only "smoke" is random people on message boards taking things out of context. So maybe you should stop rubbing the sticks together!
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Speaking of questioning loyalty and its varying degrees, I clicked the link that Keefe provided above and just discovered that some posters on here contribute to CrackedSidewalks (I am relatively new to scoop so this was news to me). I used to check CS religiously and loved their insights and articles.
However, I once had a discussion with a contributor from CS (long before I joined Scoop) and it was about a relatively arcane topic regarding MUBB. My ignorance of the topic triggered a somewhat condescending remark that basically implied that I was a (mere) "casual" fan of MUBB. I took exception to this, bit my tongue while nodding politely, and never visited the site again (instead I turned to then-inferior [but now much-improved] PaintTouches for my MUBB fix).
Anyway, not saying anyone is/isn't questioning PRN's loyalty, my point is more general--don't impose your definition of what it means to be loyal on someone else, especially with respect to sports, where the term "loyalty" takes on its most subjective meaning.
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It would be nice to see Buzz chat it up with his media guys and say "look, we had some issues. My best friend was fired from my staff (because he lied) and I've had two other very public incidents last year that didn't make life for me or the administration pleasant. That's over with now, we're better. Please stop reporting that I have an issue with the AD...we've moved on"
You want Buzz Williams to go to the media and issue a public apology to LW for all the trouble he and his friends have caused him and promise never to be a bad boy again. Should he kiss his ring too? You're incredible.
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You want Buzz Williams to go to the media and issue a public apology to LW for all the trouble he and his friends have caused him and promise never to be a bad boy again. Should he kiss his ring too? You're incredible.
No, that's not what I said.
TRY AGAIN...read it S L O W L Y this time and come back to us. Maybe even issue an apology for again being so wrong. I'll give you a hint, I said talk to his writer pals and tell THEM to stop this nonsense about their relationship. Nothing in there about an apology. Nothing in there about anything public. All behind the scenes so they can stop pushing this drivel.
What exactly are you reading Lenny....crazy
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Wow - first Stone Cold suggests that Buzz fed me the SMU info, then Tall Titan says that I created the drama to build up my web traffic. Unreal.
I don't lie, I don't spread crap to fuel web traffic and I don't peddle other people's agendas.
Let's go back and review, shall we?
Jeff Goodman tweeted that SMU was going to make a hard run at Buzz Williams.
I called a higher up in the athletic department and asked if there was anything to it. He confirmed that Marquette had given SMU permission to meet with Buzz Williams.
I reported it.
Another member of the Milwaukee media told me that SMU offerd Buzz a 12 year, $34 million package.
None of that info came to me from Buzz, I did not make it up to drive web traffic and I didn't do it to help anyone's agenda.
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Well played Keefe.
Actually, all of this nonsense about LW and Buzz is best captured by the most famous line from that play,
"Wouldn't it be funny if that was true?"
Mendacity!!
I love Tennessee Williams. What an American Treasure.
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Wow - first Stone Cold suggests that Buzz fed me the SMU info, then Tall Titan says that I created the drama to build up my web traffic. Unreal.
I don't lie, I don't spread crap to fuel web traffic and I don't peddle other people's agendas.
Let's go back and review, shall we?
Jeff Goodman tweeted that SMU was going to make a hard run at Buzz Williams.
I called a higher up in the athletic department and asked if there was anything to it. He confirmed that Marquette had given SMU permission to meet with Buzz Williams.
I reported it.
Another member of the Milwaukee media told me that SMU offerd Buzz a 12 year, $34 million package.
None of that info came to me from Buzz, I did not make it up to drive web traffic and I didn't do it to help anyone's agenda.
Say, aren't you the guy with more contacts with Bausch & Lomb?
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C'mon, the only "smoke" is random people on message boards taking things out of context. So maybe you should stop rubbing the sticks together!
Numerous people who are huge followers, have connections with people that are big doners or are otherwise well connected have for the most part heard the very loud whispers regarding the awful relationship between our AD and coach. You are either trying to douse the flame, are not listening closely, or are hoping that what is continuously being said out there, by numerous people who would have to all be making this stuff up, just somehow is not true. I certainly hope it's all not true as well but it's also hard to believe that all these people are in on some sort of big conspiracy....
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Yes, and in this case the people reporting about the relationship aren't the AD's media contacts...correct? In fact, they are anything but.
It would be nice to see Buzz chat it up with his media guys and say "look, we had some issues. My best friend was fired from my staff (because he lied) and I've had two other very public incidents last year that didn't make life for me or the administration pleasant. That's over with now, we're better. Please stop reporting that I have an issue with the AD...we've moved on"
Unless that isn't the case and certain people still want that out there. Personally, I'd like to see both sides stop the BS, stop using the media to push this bull crap and let's get on with moving this program forward.
And I believe in puppy dogs and unicorns...
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Numerous people who are huge followers, have connections with people that are big doners or are otherwise well connected have for the most part heard the very loud whispers regarding the awful relationship between our AD and coach. You are either trying to douse the flame, are not listening closely, or are hoping that what is continuously being said out there, by numerous people who would have to all be making this stuff up, just somehow is not true. I certainly hope it's all not true as well but it's also hard to believe that all these people are in on some sort of big conspiracy....
You are right and wrong.
There have been rumors from people who seem to have connections. There have also been rumors disputing some of those claims.
The problem is, humans, (especially on the interwebs) read what they want to read and forget the rest. We all have our own confirmation biases, and when things get repeated over and over sometimes it because a "truth". (ie "Where there is smoke, there is fire!")
The fact is:
MU spends a tremendous amount on basketball and has 2 people (LW and Fr. Pilarz) who have a pedigree in private school athletics.
Now, does that mean that everything is perfect with BW and LW? Absolutely not.
But, I have a hard time being convinced that LW and Fr. Pilarz intend to downgrade MU hoops (as was rumored) or dislike Buzz so much that they are trying to run him out. It doesn't pass the logic sniff test.
What is likely:
Buzz and Larry had/have some friction because they are both alpha-types. I assume they are both bright enough to compromise and get along. If they can't, then both of their careers will be limited.
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We all have our own confirmation biases....
Congrats, Guns! You've made the quote wall of fame in my footer!
We all hear only what we want to hear. The "numerous" people, from what I remember, was really just one or two folks. They posted a lot and all over every thread, but it was the same information over and over again.
I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but it was hardly conclusive proof of anything.
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LW doesn't get much leeway after buzz leaked the SMU embarrassment through IWB. We hope we keep him isn't exactly the assertive tone you want. But actions speak much louder than words so I don't really care about that. Pilarz and LW need to be assertive and aggressive in their actions. This is when u find out what your ad is made of this is showtime. We have two minor leaguers in pilarz and lw. Hopefully they're now ready for the big leagues and the competition.
Again people, Larry Williams is Ted Thompson.
Chillax!
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And I believe in puppy dogs and unicorns...
I love my puppy....I don't believe in unicorns. To each their own, Goodman and Parish talk to Buzz...they aren't talking to LW. Unless you are accusing Goodman and Parrish of lying or making stuff up, it's common sense. Every time they put this BS out there (which seems to be every time there is a coach opening) it only gets some people all spun up, the same cast of characters here and at the other place. Buzz knows those guys, he's tight with them, all he has to do is tell them to stop putting that crap in their articles. This isn't hard.
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What is likely:
Buzz and Larry had/have some friction because they are both alpha-types. I assume they are both bright enough to compromise and get along. If they can't, then both of their careers will be limited.
Agree with your alpha-types statement, but that by its nature makes compromise difficult - smart guys or not.
Everybody's first choice is that they become fast friends.
Everybody's second choice is peaceful co-existence.
What is A or B, for whatever reason, isn't possible? Larry has the title and technically is the "boss", but who's kidding who(m)? I mean, Mark Spoelstra is Lebron's boss too, but let's get real. If they can't get along and one has to go, who will/should it be? I hope it never to comes to that here, but if it does Buzz Williams is infinitely more important to Marquette University than Larry Williams.
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Agree with your alpha-types statement, but that by its nature makes compromise difficult - smart guys or not.
Everybody's first choice is that they become fast friends.
Everybody's second choice is peaceful co-existence.
What is A or B, for whatever reason, isn't possible? Larry has the title and technically is the "boss", but who's kidding who(m)? I mean, Mark Spoelstra is Lebron's boss too, but let's get real. If they can't get along and one has to go, who will/should it be? I hope it never to comes to that here, but if it does Buzz Williams is infinitely more important to Marquette University than Larry Williams.
I agree with you, but this is where I'm torn (personally).
I do know the the head basketball coach at MU is more "important" than the AD. It's a fact.
BUT, I am not comfortable with the head coach being "in charge". A head coach will always be evaluated on Wins and Losses, and therefore I think he/she will always incredible pressure to make decisions that ultimately help the team win, which might not always align with doing what is best for the university.
I like the idea of an AD who's job security isn't directly tied to wins and losses because his decisions (in theory) aren't directly influenced by what will win more games.
I don't say any of this because of Williams or Williams specifically. I just think structurally, that's how I want it.
With all of this said, what I described above can be a tough balance when egos get involved. As cliche as it sounds, communication is key. If both parties communicate well, a lot of "issues" go away. If they don't communicate well, then things tend to fester and people become entrenched in his/her own viewpoint and everything can spiral.
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I love my puppy....I don't believe in unicorns. To each their own, Goodman and Parish talk to Buzz...they aren't talking to LW. Unless you are accusing Goodman and Parrish of lying or making stuff up, it's common sense. Every time they put this BS out there (which seems to be every time there is a coach opening) it only gets some people all spun up, the same cast of characters here and at the other place. Buzz knows those guys, he's tight with them, all he has to do is tell them to stop putting that crap in their articles. This isn't hard.
I am not accusing anyone of lying...Broeker also talks to those guys...and LW has his set..as do the others...you know that...it is part of the business...but your point is that Buzz is the one out on the limb with the spin...Get real, you know that as you live it. Delany is a master of it...so is Black Jack, LW's mentor. To act like Buzz is a the single outlier is fantasy land.
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Agree with your alpha-types statement, but that by its nature makes compromise difficult - smart guys or not.
Everybody's first choice is that they become fast friends.
Everybody's second choice is peaceful co-existence.
What is A or B, for whatever reason, isn't possible? Larry has the title and technically is the "boss", but who's kidding who(m)? I mean, Mark Spoelstra is Lebron's boss too, but let's get real. If they can't get along and one has to go, who will/should it be? I hope it never to comes to that here, but if it does Buzz Williams is infinitely more important to Marquette University than Larry Williams.
And you wonder why I put up all those quotes the other day from people that truly think MU should just leave Buzz alone, no oversight, just let Buzz be Buzz, get out of his way.
You may be right that Buzz is bigger than Larry. But Buzz isn't bigger than Marquette, and that is fundamentally what is at the heart of it all. This is an institution of higher learning, not basketball, inc.
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I am not accusing anyone of lying...Broeker also talks to those guys...and LW has his set..as do the others...you know that...it is part of the business...but your point is that Buzz is the one out on the limb with the spin...Get real, you know that as you live it. Delany is a master of it...so is Black Jack, LW's mentor. To act like Buzz is a the single outlier is fantasy land.
I've said person(s)....I don't disagree there are others that are out there talking, but it's not LW. It would behoove all of them to knock it off, unless there is an agenda out there for which they are trying to push. Dirty laundry airing doesn't do any entity any favors and only sours the soup even more. Enough.
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I've said person(s)....I don't disagree there are others that are out there talking, but it's not LW. It would behoove all of them to knock it off, unless there is an agenda out there for which they are trying to push. Dirty laundry airing doesn't do any entity any favors and only sours the soup even more. Enough.
The bolded part is the only part we disagree. LW is VERY adept at using the media to get his points across via the back channel, better often than when the mic is on.
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Reminds me of a certain MU coach
Really? I didn't think Rick had it in him.