;D
Hey, if he'd love to score 8 points a game on a team that does nothing but shoot 3's and plays at a snail's pace, good luck to him.
Is this a "dead period" for recruiting. If not, Buzz and Chew should be telling Stone you play the season to win in the tournament.
Ah, when one game supposedly determines a kid's college decision, one game can undo it. :D
I just hope he stays in State, MU has a low post offense right now, if he wants to jack up 3's as a center, Wisky might be the choice. 15-58, I think Germantown could have beat
them today.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 22, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
I just hope he stays in State, MU has a low post offense right now, if he wants to jack up 3's as a center, Wisky might be the choice. 15-58, I think Germantown could have beat
them today.
Difference is, MU alters its offense to suit its talents. Bo refuses to do that.
All Eyes On Me @Diamond_Stone33 21h
Good Game Marquette
Quote from: ecompt on March 22, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
Difference is, MU alters its offense to suit its talents. Bo refuses to do that.
Excellent point. Bo will try to cram a square peg into a round hole rather than adapt.
Quote from: gmhfordham1015 on March 22, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
All Eyes On Me @Diamond_Stone33 21h
Good Game Marquette
He's a lock!
Hope to God Kevon and Diamond can see clearly that Marquette is the best place for them to play. Milwaukee will rock when they're on the roster. Marquette will be on top of the world. Not only will they win, but, they will have fun at Marquette and their family, friends and Wisconsin fans will give them huge support!
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on March 22, 2013, 03:16:39 PM
Hope to God Kevon and Diamond can see clearly that Marquette is the best place for them to play. Milwaukee will rock when they're on the roster. Marquette will be on top of the world. Not only will they win, but, they will have fun at Marquette and their family, friends and Wisconsin fans will give them huge support!
Or he could go to a blueblood where he will be national television every day and be pumped up by ESPN to elevate his draft status/help his career. But let's not let affect the kids decision when our entertainment is at stake.
Would you tell your kid to turn down Harvard to go to Marquette just so you could see him more often?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 23, 2013, 11:00:26 AM
Or he could go to a blueblood where he will be national television every day and be pumped up by ESPN to elevate his draft status/help his career. But let's not let affect the kids decision when our entertainment is at stake.
Would you tell your kid to turn down Harvard to go to Marquette just so you could see him more often?
With MU Alum having the recent success with getting drafted into NBA (Zar, JFB, Jae, et. al) I dare to say that MU is as attractive as any school for getting a shot at the NBA. Sure, some schools put more in the NBA than others. That's simply the result of having more McD AA's on their squad.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 23, 2013, 11:00:26 AM
Or he could go to a blueblood where he will be national television every day and be pumped up by ESPN to elevate his draft status/help his career. But let's not let affect the kids decision when our entertainment is at stake.
Would you tell your kid to turn down Harvard to go to Marquette just so you could see him more often?
The goal should be to make mu a blue blood. Why would you want to concede anything to any school. There is no reason Marquette can not be a top level program. If you see yourself as less than top notch, then you will always be less than top notch.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 23, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
The goal should be to make mu a blue blood. Why would you want to concede anything to any school. There is no reason Marquette can not be a top level program. If you see yourself as less than top notch, then you will always be less than top notch.
Well said. Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 23, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
The goal should be to make mu a blue blood. Why would you want to concede anything to any school. There is no reason Marquette can not be a top level program. If you see yourself as less than top notch, then you will always be less than top notch.
Well, yeah. Buzz needs to recruit like that.
But as a fan my opinion doesn't make a difference so I just try to be sane and realistic. No reason to be a homer. I just firmly believe at this point in time it would be better for Stone's career to go to a current blue blood. It's like fans who say it is in the best interest of a player to stay another year, but in reality most of the time it is just the inability of the fans to get past their own interests.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 23, 2013, 11:24:31 AM
Well, yeah. Buzz needs to recruit like that.
But as a fan my opinion doesn't make a difference so I just try to be sane and realistic. No reason to be a homer. I just firmly believe at this point in time it would be better for Stone's career to go to a current blue blood. It's like fans who say it is in the best interest of a player to stay another year, but in reality most of the time it is just the inability of the fans to get past their own interests.
Not necessarily. If he goes to MU he starts from day 1, plays major minutes, and gets plenty of exposure in an NBA market. If he goes to UNC or Kentucky he may be behind one of the top 10 kids from the 2014 class that stick around more than one year.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 23, 2013, 11:24:31 AM
Well, yeah. Buzz needs to recruit like that.
But as a fan my opinion doesn't make a difference so I just try to be sane and realistic. No reason to be a homer. I just firmly believe at this point in time it would be better for Stone's career to go to a current blue blood. It's like fans who say it is in the best interest of a player to stay another year, but in reality most of the time it is just the inability of the fans to get past their own interests.
But if he stays in state, isn't MU more of a blue blood than UW?
Quote from: ecompt on March 23, 2013, 11:55:34 AM
But if he stays in state, isn't MU more of a blue blood than UW?
Interesting question. Over the last 15 years, no. Over history, yes. Now, if the kid wants to go to the Association, there is only one choice in the state...MU
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 11:57:27 AM
Interesting question. Over the last 15 years, no. Over history, yes. Now, if the kid wants to go to the Association, there is only one choice in the state...MU
Interesting indeed. Without reviewing records, etc, I would say MU and Wisconsin have been relatively equal over the last 15 with perhaps an ever so slight nod to Wisconsin for the earlier years.
Overall, though, I'd say the two programs have had relatively similar successes over that time frame.
Marquette should be appealing to a big man now, and not just for a chance to play a lot with good guards. I think that this season should dispel the notion that Marquette wants to play 3 guards and 2 small forwards. Otule and Gardner show that Buzz wants to get the ball inside if he had the personnel. The days of Lazar, Jimmy, Crowder, and Jamil playing center for extended periods were outliers because of necessity.
Hopefully Stone sees how he would be used and the opportunities he would have at MU to put up stats if he had the opportunity of being a center in Buzz's offense. I'm not sure if that is enough to beat out some of the blue bloods, but it should win a tie with Wisconsin that may not have been the case 3-4 years ago.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 11:57:27 AM
Interesting question. Over the last 15 years, no. Over history, yes. Now, if the kid wants to go to the Association, there is only one choice in the state...MU
Over the last 10 years yes
Quote from: MUCam on March 23, 2013, 12:03:46 PM
Interesting indeed. Without reviewing records, etc, I would say MU and Wisconsin have been relatively equal over the last 15 with perhaps an ever so slight nod to Wisconsin for the earlier years.
Overall, though, I'd say the two programs have had relatively similar successes over that time frame.
FF's = Same (1 each)
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = UW
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = UW
Wins = Very close last I checked, almost even, though some of those years we played in CUSA
NBA players = MU
We're not that far behind, but they have 15 straight NCAA appearances which I think is like 5th best in the nation. After sucking balls for 54 years, they have put a nice run together the last 15.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:11:47 PM
FF's = Same (1 each)
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = UW
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = UW
Wins = Very close last I checked, almost even, though some of those years we played in CUSA
NBA players = MU
We're not that far behind, but they have 15 straight NCAA appearances which I think is like 5th best in the nation. After sucking balls for 54 years, they have put a nice run together the last 15.
Like clockwork.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on March 23, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
Like clockwork.
Yup, providing facts. Someone doesn't like what the facts say...like clockwork.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:11:47 PM
FF's = Same (1 each)
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = UW
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = UW
Wins = Very close last I checked, almost even, though some of those years we played in CUSA
NBA players = MU
We're not that far behind, but they have 15 straight NCAA appearances which I think is like 5th best in the nation. After sucking balls for 54 years, they have put a nice run together the last 15.
I'm not sure Stone was an engaged fan when he was 2 years old. Who cares about the last 15 years if you're 17? Just look at the last 5.
NBA Players = MU (by a huge majority)
NBA Coaches = MU
NBA Championships = MUFF's = Same (MU's more recent and way more covered by the media)
Elite 8's = Same
Sweet 16's = MU when we win today
NCAA Appearances = Same
NCAA Wins = MU
Conference titles = MU
Conference tourney titles = Same
Head to head = MU
Wins = MU
SoS = MU
Team trips to NYC = MU
Wisconsin has lost more Rose Bowls as well as coaches to middle-of-the-road SEC schools though
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Over the last 10 years yes
Actually, no. It gets better for us
FF's = MU
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = Tied (2 each)
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = Tied (5 each)
Wins = UW
NBA players = MU
Kevan would make us a solid NCAA team.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Actually, no. It gets better for us
FF's = MU
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = Tied (2 each)
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = Tied (5 each)
Wins = UW
NBA players = MU
So that combined with the 5 year comparison seems to show MU with a positive trajectory. Unless DS is signing up to play for UW from 1999-2003 MU is clearly the best BBall program in the state, not to mention incoming class of talent and coaching stability (Bo will die/retire before Buzz leaves).
UW would be a graveyard for DS's talents - I'd rather for his sake he ends up out of state than at UW
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 23, 2013, 12:35:25 PM
Kevan would make us a solid NCAA team.
Understatement of the week...
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2013, 12:42:34 PM
So that combined with the 5 year comparison seems to show MU with a positive trajectory. Unless DS is signing up to play for UW from 1999-2003 MU is clearly the best BBall program in the state, not to mention incoming class of talent and coaching stability (Bo will die/retire before Buzz leaves).
UW would be a graveyard for DS's talents - I'd rather for his sake he ends up out of state than at UW
Future, I go with MU. But futures have yet to be written. What has been done is already done, use 10 or 15, they've had the edge any way you look at it. I will be thrilled if the future holds up to the expectations. I'd like nothing better than the Vadgers to go down. You're too young to remember how pathetic they were in the 80's and 90's...IN EVERYTHING sans hockey. They spend too much now to be that bad again, but it was quite wonderful to be a MU student than when those clowns couldn't get anything right.
Agree on DS.
The only thing that matters at this point is whether he wants to be able to shoot threes. How MU/UW fared this year or next means very little.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Actually, no. It gets better for us
FF's = MU
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = Tied (2 each)
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = Tied (5 each)
Wins = UW
NBA players = MU
Can you put some normalized stats together for Buzz vs Bo comparison?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:27:14 PM
Yup, providing facts. Someone doesn't like what the facts say...like clockwork.
Yes, you provide facts.
Is Cliff Claven your hero? ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:11:47 PM
FF's = Same (1 each)
Elite 8's = UW
Sweet 16's = UW
NCAA Appearances = UW
NCAA wins = UW
Conference titles = UW
Conference tourney titles = UW
Head to head = UW
Wins = Very close last I checked, almost even, though some of those years we played in CUSA
NBA players = MU
We're not that far behind, but they have 15 straight NCAA appearances which I think is like 5th best in the nation. After sucking balls for 54 years, they have put a nice run together the last 15.
Thanks for doing the research. As I said, without looking at records, it feels pretty equal. But, you can't deny Wisconsin's run these past 15 years. Tough to argue with those numbers.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 01:31:57 PM
Future, I go with MU. But futures have yet to be written. What has been done is already done, use 10 or 15, they've had the edge any way you look at it. I will be thrilled if the future holds up to the expectations. I'd like nothing better than the Vadgers to go down. You're too young to remember how pathetic they were in the 80's and 90's...IN EVERYTHING sans hockey. They spend too much now to be that bad again, but it was quite wonderful to be a MU student than when those clowns couldn't get anything right.
Agree on DS.
They were really bad in the mid to late 60s as well. I can remember the headlines in the Journal when they won their first football game in over 4 years my senior year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 11:57:27 AM
Interesting question. Over the last 15 years, no. Over history, yes. Now, if the kid wants to go to the Association, there is only one choice in the state...MU
But over the last 5 years, yes. And what kid doesn't want to go to the Association?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 23, 2013, 02:44:03 PM
But over the last 5 years, yes. And what kid doesn't want to go to the Association?
This. why is10 or 15 years the relevant timeframe?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 01:31:57 PM
You're too young to remember how pathetic they were in the 80's and 90's...IN EVERYTHING sans hockey. They spend too much now to be that bad again, but it was quite wonderful to be a MU student than when those clowns couldn't get anything right.
Can you help me out on a timeline? You were a student manager w/ Crean while he was here but also know how it felt to be an MU student in the 80s/90s? I've probably mixed something up.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2013, 04:03:40 PM
Can you help me out on a timeline? You were a student manager w/ Crean while he was here but also know how it felt to be an MU student in the 80s/90s? I've probably mixed something up.
A student manager for TC?
You definitely have timing mixed up. Graduated during the KO era. Student volunteer then for NCAA tournament, etc. Worked in AD after completing graduate degree under Deane and then Crean for 5 years before moving to the pro sports side in Calif.
Russ Limbaugh worked for the Royals. Just sayin'.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 23, 2013, 02:44:03 PM
But over the last 5 years, yes. And what kid doesn't want to go to the Association?
100's of kids that know they have no shot and are playing ball to play ball with no desire to be part of that life or lifestyle. I can think of one of our own that played in the association and left because it wasn't for him.
That was after he signed for 36 large.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2013, 04:14:46 PM
Russ Limbaugh worked for the Royals. Just sayin'.
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And MC Hammer worked for Charlie Finley's A's.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
That was after he signed for 36 large.
Yup, and them gave some back he wanted out so badly
Like they say, " A fool and his money are soon parted."
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 23, 2013, 12:35:25 PM
Kevan would make us a solid NCAA team.
Our nuclear arsenal makes us a solid superpower
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2013, 04:02:02 PM
This. why is10 or 15 years the relevant timeframe?
Because that's the only timeframe that actually supports his claim.
Always surprised at the lack of faith in Marquette by people on this board. I have followed Marquette for 50 years because they had great basketball teams. Marquette has always emphasized big time basketball and has had super athletes, which have made MU entertaining to watch and many winning teams. Recently it was reported that Marquette is 6th in the US in the money it spends on its basketball program. Well, fellow fans, this underlines that Marquette is an elite program and big time basketball power house. And, the future under Buzz appears to continue strong and brighter. Go Marquette!!!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 23, 2013, 04:14:46 PM
Russ Limbaugh worked for the Royals. Just sayin'.
And Guy's Potato Chips!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 04:12:19 PM
A student manager for TC
Wow. I didn't know you were a student manager for Crean. "Chico, fetch me a Diet Pepsi and be quick about it boy!"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 04:12:19 PM
A student manager for TC?
You definitely have timing mixed up. Graduated during the KO era. Student volunteer then for NCAA tournament, etc. Worked in AD after completing graduate degree under Deane and then Crean for 5 years before moving to the pro sports side in Calif.
Got it my bad
What colors were his shoes today?
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2013, 10:04:54 PM
Got it my bad
No problem...glad to see Keefe is "effing" with me still. He'll need to for awhile....poor Zags.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:27:14 PM
Yup, providing facts. Someone doesn't like what the facts say...like clockwork.
It's interesting that you discounted MU's overall record in your cherrypicked timeline, while not discounting UW's number of conference championships or conference tourney titles. Especially when MU was in a better conference every year 2006 through last year (Big??? is better this year, obviously, although not by a lot). You say you provide facts but you always provide your facts in such that they cast a bad light on MU. And you still claim to be an MU fan . . . and a KU fan . . . and an IU fan.
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 23, 2013, 04:02:02 PM
This. why is10 or 15 years the relevant timeframe?
Because that's the only way he can downgrade MU at the expense of UW.
Quote from: slingkong on March 26, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
Because that's the only way he can downgrade MU at the expense of UW.
There's a reason UW wasn't on ESPN's top 50 or 100 (can't remember which one) basketball schools.
Quote from: slingkong on March 26, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
Because that's the only way he can downgrade MU at the expense of UW.
Chicos has spent so much time on UW boards he's got Stockholm syndrome. Pining for traditionals, rushing to Bo's defense at the drop of a hat, emphasizing regular season conference records above all else. Sad to see.