"If unable to join the ACC in 2013-14, the Fighting Irish would consider spending one season in the Catholic 7 league before moving to the ACC in 2014, a source said."
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9000502/catholic-7-schools-keep-big-east-name-new-league-next-season-according-sources (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9000502/catholic-7-schools-keep-big-east-name-new-league-next-season-according-sources)
I, for one, would be furious if the "new" Big East allows ND to play for a single season before bolting for the ACC. Seems eerily similar to using the C7 & Co. as a minor league system before being "called up" to the Majors.
I think it's just fine. Who knows what the future holds?
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on February 28, 2013, 09:22:28 PM
I, for one, would be furious if the "new" Big East allows ND to play for a single season before bolting for the ACC. Seems eerily similar to using the C7 & Co. as a minor league system before being "called up" to the Majors.
No playing with the old Big East remnants would be the minors.
Playing with the new C7 Big East would be, to carry the analogy, getting traded to a contender for the last few months of a season before becoming a free agent and joining a new team the next offseason.
They had a chance...they can suffer with SMU, Houston, and the rest of CUSA 2.0.
If Fox wants it. I'd be grateful enough to Fox to do it. I'd probably also help with what is shaping up to be a challenging scheduling situation for the non-revenue sports for the first year.
They had their chance.
If they're willing to entertain the notion of a regular home-and-home, then we can talk.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on February 28, 2013, 09:34:23 PM
No playing with the old Big East remnants would be the minors.
Playing with the new C7 Big East would be, to carry the analogy, getting traded to a contender for the last few months of a season before becoming a free agent and joining a new team the next offseason.
You are correct, sir!
Heck, I'd bite the bullet and have ND in the league next season on the 1% chance that things don't work out for them in the ACC and they join up with us permanently in part because we were such gracious hosts.
In the meantime, we get to play ND 2 more times next season.
Spite shouldn't overrule such a win-win scenario.
By all means yes! Since the 70's, for me, it is by far the most fun game to attend.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
You are correct, sir!
Heck, I'd bite the bullet and have ND in the league next season on the 1% chance that things don't work out for them in the ACC and they join up with us permanently in part because we were such gracious hosts.
In the meantime, we get to play ND 2 more times next season.
Spite shouldn't overrule such a win-win scenario.
Greater than 1%. If UNC announces they are going o the B1G some time this year, the odds are 50/50.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 28, 2013, 10:22:20 PM
Greater than 1%. If UNC announces they are going o the B1G some time this year, the odds are 50/50.
I don't think it's quite 50/50 on the latter, but I'd definitely give it 10% on the former.
I get that it's ND hate week, but seriously people... wouldn't you rather hate someone you can play once a year rather than hate a team you never play (e.g. Indiana)?
Quote from: Benny B on February 28, 2013, 10:30:25 PM
I don't think it's quite 50/50 on the latter, but I'd definitely give it 10% on the former.
I get that it's ND hate week, but seriously people... wouldn't you rather hate someone you can play once a year rather than hate a team you never play (e.g. Indiana)?
There is a profound difference. Hatred for UND is organic and everlasting while for IU it is artificial and transient.
ND for a season is fine for one year if Creighton needs a year to leave the MVC or something. That way we have 10 in the league with an 18 game round robin.
I really hope we find a way to keep ND, Louisville and Cincy on our schedule as much as possible.
If they take no television revenue or a disproportionately small amount, or agree to future scheduling obligations with teams in the new conference then sure.
Quote from: chapman on March 01, 2013, 07:29:46 AM
If they take no television revenue or a disproportionately small amount, or agree to future scheduling obligations with teams in the new conference then sure.
Why? The will get a 1/10 share of one year. Otherwise it is just petty punishment for no reason. And if you want to continue to play them after they leave, I would not recommend this kind of stunt.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 01, 2013, 06:47:31 AM
ND for a season is fine for one year if Creighton needs a year to leave the MVC or something. That way we have 10 in the league with an 18 game round robin.
I really hope we find a way to keep ND, Louisville and Cincy on our schedule as much as possible.
I hope we stop playing Louisville. I'm tired of either getting our brains beaten in or losing a heartbreaker. How many happy nights have followed a Louisville game in the last 5 years?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 07:33:24 AM
Why? The will get a 1/10 share of one year. Otherwise it is just petty punishment for no reason. And if you want to continue to play them after they leave, I would not recommend this kind of stunt.
The pleasure of scheduling high and mighty Notre Dame in the future isn't pay enough to do them a favor without a price. Unless they commit to scheduling a few other games against New Big East teams that they normally wouldn't bother with.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
You are correct, sir!
Heck, I'd bite the bullet and have ND in the league next season on the 1% chance that things don't work out for them in the ACC and they join up with us permanently in part because we were such gracious hosts.
In the meantime, we get to play ND 2 more times next season.
Spite shouldn't overrule such a win-win scenario.
It's not about spite. It's about stability. The C-7 was formed because of the instability caused by teams bolting for more money. How hypocritical to allow a team in for a year that they know is going to bolt for more money. If they want to join permanently for basketball and other sports fine, but why form a new conference and right off the bat set a precedence of having a team leave after the first year of existence.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 28, 2013, 09:32:42 PM
I think it's just fine. Who knows what the future holds?
Agreed, take them for a year and see what may or may not happen in the ACC. They may like what we bring to the table, and having Notre Dame around to hate is never a bad thing.
Quote from: Bocephys on March 01, 2013, 09:27:32 AM
Agreed, take them for a year and see what may or may not happen in the ACC. They may like what we bring to the table, and having Notre Dame around to hate is never a bad thing.
If the ACC fails or declines badly, Notre Dame will either join the Big Ten or other high profile conference or stay independent in football and join the c-7 for basketball. Either way, ND playing for one year in the new c-7 makes no difference in their decision. They will do what is best for them and/or what makes them the most money.
Notre Dame will always be around to hate.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 01, 2013, 08:53:37 AM
It's not about spite. It's about stability. The C-7 was formed because of the instability caused by teams bolting for more money. How hypocritical to allow a team in for a year that they know is going to bolt for more money. If they want to join permanently for basketball and other sports fine, but why form a new conference and right off the bat set a precedence of having a team leave after the first year of existence.
This is entirely different... everyone knows up front what the deal is with ND. Nobody is being caught off guard. ND leaving in a year isn't going to trigger any other defections or create instability. In fact, having ND in for one year could create stability going forward by helping the league to get off to a better start.
I hate to say it, but ND would be doing a huge favor to the C7 by joining for a year. And the C7 would be doing a huge favor by helping ND avoid having to play in a sandbox with SMU and Tulane next year. It's a win-win.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 01, 2013, 08:53:37 AM
It's not about spite. It's about stability. The C-7 was formed because of the instability caused by teams bolting for more money. How hypocritical to allow a team in for a year that they know is going to bolt for more money. If they want to join permanently for basketball and other sports fine, but why form a new conference and right off the bat set a precedence of having a team leave after the first year of existence.
Letting ND in for one year knowing full well they will leave is not a sign of instability. Instability -- and the ill feelings it causes -- stems from not knowing what evil lurks. In this case, we know the evil (ND) and know exactly how long it will lurk (one year).
I'd be happy to get a sold-out Bradley Center and two more shots to beat ND. And again, maybe just maybe a few dominoes will fall and ND will end up back in our league.
I see zero instability and zero downside.
Quote from: TJ on March 01, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
I hope we stop playing Louisville. I'm tired of either getting our brains beaten in or losing a heartbreaker. How many happy nights have followed a Louisville game in the last 5 years?
We did beat them last year (before losing twice). I was pretty happy after the 21 point win over them in 2010, capped off with DJO's offensive rebound dunk.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
Letting ND in for one year knowing full well they will leave is not a sign of instability. Instability -- and the ill feelings it causes -- stems from not knowing what evil lurks. In this case, we know the evil (ND) and know exactly how long it will lurk (one year).
I'd be happy to get a sold-out Bradley Center and two more shots to beat ND. And again, maybe just maybe a few dominoes will fall and ND will end up back in our league.
I see zero instability and zero downside.
Exactly. Like it or not, this is a great matchup and rivalry for us and I'd like to keep playing them as long as we can.
Quote from: chapman on March 01, 2013, 08:37:32 AM
The pleasure of scheduling high and mighty Notre Dame in the future isn't pay enough to do them a favor without a price. Unless they commit to scheduling a few other games against New Big East teams that they normally wouldn't bother with.
Tomorrow game is expected to see near 19,000 in the BC, near an all-time record. That is not because they are ranked #22. No, the huge crowd is coming to see us play the name ND on the front of the jersey.
I know you detest ND, fact is they are a money making machine for themselves and the schools that play them. Fortunately we have a good relationship and long history with them and they will go out of their way to schedule us in the future. And MU will make good money off this relationship. Now is not the time to burn bridges.
Now if you want to mail Larry Williams a $500k check a year with the stipulations that he screw ND, that's different. Until that check shows up on LW's desk, keep the friends that put money in your pocket happy.
Quote from: keefe on March 01, 2013, 03:14:58 AM
There is a profound difference. Hatred for UND is organic and everlasting while for IU it is artificial and transient.
1975-76
ND would consider it? Wow, how big of them.
Screw 'em. They can deal with C-USA 2.0 for one season. Somehow, I think they'll survive.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Tomorrow game is expected to see near 19,000 in the BC, near an all-time record. That is not because they are ranked #22. No, the huge crowd is coming to see us play the name ND on the front of the jersey.
I know you detest ND, fact is they are a money making machine for themselves and the schools that play them. Fortunately we have a good relationship and long history with them and they will go out of their way to schedule us in the future. And MU will make good money off this relationship. Now is not the time to burn bridges.
Now if you want to mail Larry Williams a $500k check a year with the stipulations that he screw ND, that's different. Until that check shows up on LW's desk, keep the friends that put money in your pocket happy.
I think you should look at who is doing the bridge burning. Not letting ND in a new conference for one year isn't burning a bridge, telling existing big east conference members to basically go to hell while we chase after more money is more like the bridge burning you talk about.
I understand your point, but at some point you have to move forward with what you are going to have long term. In the court of public opinion, ND bolting after a year looks like instability. It also looks like an insecure boyfriend begging his hot girlfriend to stay with him. Shows weakness. Having ND in the conference for one year isn't going to make a bit of difference on their conference affiliation moving forward regardless of what happens. I get what you are saying, but there is also some merit to having a backbone.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Tomorrow game is expected to see near 19,000 in the BC, near an all-time record. That is not because they are ranked #22. No, the huge crowd is coming to see us play the name ND on the front of the jersey.
I know you detest ND, fact is they are a money making machine for themselves and the schools that play them. Fortunately we have a good relationship and long history with them and they will go out of their way to schedule us in the future. And MU will make good money off this relationship. Now is not the time to burn bridges.
Now if you want to mail Larry Williams a $500k check a year with the stipulations that he screw ND, that's different. Until that check shows up on LW's desk, keep the friends that put money in your pocket happy.
I dislike no school more than ND, but this is why we play them (right on the money, so to speak, MU84). I'd love to keep them on the schedule for at least one game a year in the future. When it was subzero with wind in my face, it was still motivating to walk to the Mecca and watch Al push Digger out the door with a loss!
I don't know what the overall record is, and don't care. I just want to see MU thrash them each and every chance!
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 01, 2013, 11:41:06 AM
I think you should look at who is doing the bridge burning. Not letting ND in a new conference for one year isn't burning a bridge, telling existing big east conference members to basically go to hell while we chase after more money is more like the bridge burning you talk about.
I understand your point, but at some point you have to move forward with what you are going to have long term. In the court of public opinion, ND bolting after a year looks like instability. It also looks like an insecure boyfriend begging his hot girlfriend to stay with him. Shows weakness. Having ND in the conference for one year isn't going to make a bit of difference on their conference affiliation moving forward regardless of what happens. I get what you are saying, but there is also some merit to having a backbone.
What bridge is being burned?
Louisville? They want it both ways. They need the old BE for a fall football schedule yet want the new BE for basketball. They cannot have it both ways. You don't get to pick and chose between two conferences on a sport by sport basis.
Uconn/Cincy? They are in a holding pattern until space opens us in the ACC. That is their problem, not ours so they are not in our LT interest to have them in the new BE.
Rutgers? Again they need a football schedule for next year (old BE) and they are the one that forced the issue by jumping to the B1G. No new BE for them too. (No soup for you!)
As I've argued, ND is an exception because I still think when the ACC implodes and takes more BE/CUSA teams ND will bolt as explained here.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36509.msg458819#msg458819
Also ND does not need the old BE for a fall football schedule.
ND is a future member, that is why you take them. Give them a test drive.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 01, 2013, 11:17:37 AM
1975-76
Man, I could not hate that IU team. Sure we lost to them but that is one of the greatest CBB teams ever. And the big difference is that I also admire Knight. Guy was a jerk but he was clean. For instance, I cannot imagine Bobby Knight ever instructing his players to fake taking an elbow. If he's going to beat you its on the court with integrity. I am sure he would rather lose with honor than accept a tainted victory.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
Tomorrow game is expected to see near 19,000 in the BC, near an all-time record. That is not because they are ranked #22. No, the huge crowd is coming to see us play the name ND on the front of the jersey.
The reason for the huge crowd has very little to do with ND tomorrow. The place would be packed if we were playing Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown, etc.
1. It's senior day and National Marquette day which always draws a huge crowd.
2. It's the last home game of the year.
3. This is our last major test in a chance to win a share of the last, as it is constructed now, BEast title.
4. It's the last home game of the season, the last chance a lot of students are going to get to see a team very few expected to have this type of season play.
As long as you had an upper tier opponent for tomorrow's game it would be packed.
As to the topic of the thread, screw ND. They made a choice to go to the ACC, they made their bed, now lie in it. Who cares if they have to play a season in C-USA 2.0. It's not like the ACC will retract their offer and we are getting plenty of money from Fox without them.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 11:54:56 AM
As I've argued, ND is an exception because I still think when the ACC implodes and takes more BE/CUSA teams ND will bolt as explained here.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36509.msg458819#msg458819
Also ND does not need the old BE for a fall football schedule.
ND is a future member, that is why you take them. Give them a test drive.
I hope ND is a future member, but I think you are being overly optimistic. If the ACC falls through for them, don't you think the Big 10 would take them in a heartbeat, especially if their football comes along.
Why would we need to test drive ND, we know what they are. Like I said ND being in the C-7 conference for one year has no influence on where they land going forward. You think they are going to do us a favor down the road at their expense? They will do what is best for them and they should. If you want to argue that it would be profitable for both them and the conference for the one year they are in it, I can see that.
Quote from: keefe on March 01, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
Man, I could not hate that IU team. Sure we lost to them but that is one of the greatest CBB teams ever. And the big difference is that I also admire Knight. Guy was a jerk but he was clean. For instance, I cannot imagine Bobby Knight ever instructing his players to fake taking an elbow. If he's going to beat you its on the court with integrity. I am sure he would rather lose with honor than accept a tainted victory.
I find myself well refuted.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
Letting ND in for one year knowing full well they will leave is not a sign of instability. Instability -- and the ill feelings it causes -- stems from not knowing what evil lurks. In this case, we know the evil (ND) and know exactly how long it will lurk (one year).
I'd be happy to get a sold-out Bradley Center and two more shots to beat ND. And again, maybe just maybe a few dominoes will fall and ND will end up back in our league.
I see zero instability and zero downside.
The downside is they win the league championship.
The last thing our new league needs is for the storyline going into its second season to be "How will the league cope with losing its best team".
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 01, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
The downside is they win the league championship.
The last thing our new league needs is for the storyline going into its second season to be "How will the league cope with losing its best team".
Excellent point.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 01, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
The downside is they win the league championship.
The last thing our new league needs is for the storyline going into its second season to be "How will the league cope with losing its best team".
This is exactly why I don't want them for a year. Ever since Marquette has joined a conference we have bounced around and never been in the same place for more than 10 years. It is time, and hopefully this conference will bring it, to finally have the same 10 to 12 schools together for 25+ years so true rivalries can develop like what existed between Georgetown/Syracuse and UConn/Syracuse. This constant changing of conferences and letting people in for brief periods of times has derived Marquette of any true conference rivalries, not counting DePaul since they haven't been good lately.
The ones that I will miss are Cincy and Louisville since those go back to the C-USA days. Will be sad to see those rivalries die. ND will live on whether we are in the same conference or not, it probably just goes back to being a home and home which is what it mostly has been in the Big East since you only have played 3 schools twice most years.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 01, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
The downside is they win the league championship.
The last thing our new league needs is for the storyline going into its second season to be "How will the league cope with losing its best team".
Invite a team for one season, they win the league, then bail to the ACC...now that's a black eye. Don't care about playing the expectations game, would rather just avoid the possibility of that.
This year is a lighter form of the opposite for the C7, which helps perception moving forward: Georgetown and MU could finish tied for first or 1-2, ahead of next year's ACC entrants Syracuse/Pitt with MU undefeated against both, and leaving UConn/UC/USF who had years of probation, below expectations, and terrible.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 01, 2013, 12:14:47 PM
I hope ND is a future member, but I think you are being overly optimistic. If the ACC falls through for them, don't you think the Big 10 would take them in a heartbeat, especially if their football comes along.
As I wrote in the other link, ND is NOT a football ACC member. That means ND keeps all its football money (no revenue sharing with the conference). Instead the ACC "sold" an ACC bowl spot to ND in exchange for ND playing 5 ACC games every year.
The B1G will take ND in a heartbeat ONLY IF ND comes in as a full football member. That means sharing ND's $43 million/year with the rest of the conference. ND will never do that (especially now that they are really good again) and the B1G will never take them as a non-football member.
So, scratch ND going to the B1G ... it is not going to happen unless or until ND is desperate (will go in the B1G as a football member) or the B1G is desperate (will take ND as a non-football member). Neither are desperate right now.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 12:37:55 PM
As I wrote in the other link, ND is NOT a football ACC member. That means ND keeps all its football money (no revenue sharing with the conference). Instead the ACC "sold" an ACC bowl spot to ND in exchange for ND playing 5 ACC games every year.
The B1G will take ND in a heartbeat ONLY IF ND comes in as a full football member. That means sharing ND's $43 million/year with the rest of the conference. ND will never do that (especially now that they are really good again) and the B1G will never take them as a non-football member.
So, scratch ND going to the B1G ... it is not going to happen unless or until ND is desperate (will go in the B1G as a football member) or the B1G is desperate (will take ND as a non-football member). Neither are desperate right now.
Ok. Then the best place for their basketball to land would be c-7, if (and thats a big if) the acc implodes. What does that have to do with them playing in the c-7 for one year. That does not make it more likely they would join later
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 01, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
The downside is they win the league championship.
The last thing our new league needs is for the storyline going into its second season to be "How will the league cope with losing its best team".
This definitely is the one and only reason to not let them in. I previously said "zero downside." I will amend that to "negligible downside." I still would rather have them in than not.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 01, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
The downside is they win the league championship.
The last thing our new league needs is for the storyline going into its second season to be "How will the league cope with losing its best team".
Why is this different than Cuse or Louisville winning the BE this year. No one seems concerned about them winning and leaving for the ACC as a black-eye to the BE. Show me the old post where this was a concern?
Going in everyone knows ND is their for only one year, and why only one year. Also everyone knows the ACC is largely a football decision and no one is going to be shocked that football decisions are more important than basketball decisions.
This is a total non-event invented by ND haters that are incapable of seeing a good business deal. Sure glad none of the people that think this way have decision making authority in this deal.
My hatred of ND makes me want them in the conference. More shots at beating them. More ND Hate Weeks.
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2013, 12:45:57 PM
This definitely is the one and only reason to not let them in. I previously said "zero downside." I will amend that to "negligible downside." I still would rather have them in than not.
Its way more than just negligible. Even if they are just competitive, which they will be, it looks bad when they move to a different conference. The new conference would then be weaker in year 2 than it was in year one.Going in the worng direction. Definite down side.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 01, 2013, 12:50:42 PM
Its way more than just negligible. Even if they are just competitive, which they will be, it looks bad when they move to a different conference. The new conference would then be weaker in year 2 than it was in year one.Going in the worng direction. Definite down side.
So by the same logic none of the new BE members will want to play a non-conference game against ND because they could lose and look bad.
Don't quit your day job and join a PR firm.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 12:55:29 PM
So by the same logic none of the new BE members will want to play a non-conference game against ND because they could lose and look bad.
Don't quit your day job and join a PR firm.
Not a PR person, but I know that when one of the best teams from a conference leaves, said conference becomes weaker by definition and in the eye of the public. Not what a new startup conference needs.
How in the hell is one team playing a non-conference opponent the same as a team leaving a conference?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 12:46:15 PM
Why is this different than Cuse of Louisville winning the BE this year. No one seems concerned that them winning and leaving for the ACC as a black-eye to the BE. Show me the old post where this was a concern?
The current Big East didn't invite them in for one season before they bailed, and the current Big East already has a black eye, two broken ribs, a fractured pelvis, and an arthritic knee. It isn't favorable for Conference USA 2.0 to have the first sentence of their 2013-14 season preview reading: "The former Big East loses its top four finishers from last year, as Georgetown and Marquette left and took the Big East name with them, and Louisville and Syracuse head to the ACC."
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 12:55:29 PM
So by the same logic none of the new BE members will want to play a non-conference game against ND because they could lose and look bad.
Don't quit your day job and join a PR firm.
One or two games in the preseason against a ten team conference ≠ an entire 18 game season as a member of that conference.
Screw ND. I'm sick of all the special treatment they get just because they're ND. Since we have a long-standing rivalry with them, let's play ND once a year during the early non-conference portion of the season if that can be worked out. Otherwise, they can go to hell!
Anyone else find it convenient/interesting that Swarbrick has been stating repeatedly for months now that ND will be in the Big East next year.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 12:46:15 PM
Why is this different than Cuse or Louisville winning the BE this year. No one seems concerned about them winning and leaving for the ACC as a black-eye to the BE. Show me the old post where this was a concern?
Show me a post where anyone thinks the Big East isn't going to be weaker next year.
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 01, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
Screw ND. I'm sick of all the special treatment they get just because they're ND. Since we have a long-standing rivalry with them, let's play ND once a year during the early non-conference portion of the season if that can be worked out. Otherwise, they can go to hell!
What special treatment? You mean because they are a powerful national brand that everyone wants to play you define that as special treatment?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2013, 07:13:39 PM
What special treatment? You mean because they are a powerful national brand that everyone wants to play you define that as special treatment?
They are the only college team with their own major TV network -- NBC. That's pretty special. Letting them into the new conference for one year only -- that would be pretty special, too.
No.
An unequivocal HELLLLLLLLL NO!
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on February 28, 2013, 09:22:28 PM
"If unable to join the ACC in 2013-14, the Fighting Irish would consider spending one season in the Catholic 7 league before moving to the ACC in 2014, a source said."
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9000502/catholic-7-schools-keep-big-east-name-new-league-next-season-according-sources (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9000502/catholic-7-schools-keep-big-east-name-new-league-next-season-according-sources)
I, for one, would be furious if the "new" Big East allows ND to play for a single season before bolting for the ACC. Seems eerily similar to using the C7 & Co. as a minor league system before being "called up" to the Majors.
Looks like Swabrick just took it to a whole new level:
"If the Catholic 7 is leaving and forming its own conference for next year, they could certainly call us to want to explore our options. And if they were interested in accommodating us, it would certainly be a viable option. We have a lot of respect for those schools and know them well."
-- Notre Dame AD Jack Swabrick
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9003784/notre-dame-athletic-director-jack-swarbrick-open-joining-catholic-7-league-one-season (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9003784/notre-dame-athletic-director-jack-swarbrick-open-joining-catholic-7-league-one-season)
Definitely seems like a "if they beg us, we'll consider it" comment.
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on March 01, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
Looks like Swabrick just took it to a whole new level:
"If the Catholic 7 is leaving and forming its own conference for next year, they could certainly call us to want to explore our options. And if they were interested in accommodating us, it would certainly be a viable option. We have a lot of respect for those schools and know them well."
-- Notre Dame AD Jack Swabrick
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9003784/notre-dame-athletic-director-jack-swarbrick-open-joining-catholic-7-league-one-season (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9003784/notre-dame-athletic-director-jack-swarbrick-open-joining-catholic-7-league-one-season)
Definitely seems like a "if they beg us, we'll consider it" comment.
Pretty awful statement from Swabrick. What is humorous is the discussion now about Manti Teo possibly being gay and his having used the phony GF as a smokescreen for his true sexual hungers. If that turns out to be true, Swabrick will look the fool.
I'd welcome the opportunity to beat them again but only with the understanding that they will receive only a portion of the Fox money, if any at all. Similar to the earlier talk about X, Butler, et al. receiving less money until costs are recouped - but more severe since it's not a commitment.
I want long term stability, not a fling. And ND can do the wooing.
The C7 should request that ND send Swarbrick and all of their big wigs to a meeting to make their case to join the C7...and the the C7 will reject them...on TV...during a live show...hosted by Digger Phelps.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 01, 2013, 08:53:37 AM
It's not about spite. It's about stability. The C-7 was formed because of the instability caused by teams bolting for more money.
You are partially right.
The Catholic 7 plan was put in motion because of other schools leaving... but at this point it has nothing to do with stability and
everything to do with $.
If ND wants to come along for a year, I think you do it because you might be able to make a little extra $.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on March 05, 2013, 08:51:18 AM
You are partially right.
The Catholic 7 plan was put in motion because of other schools leaving... but at this point it has nothing to do with stability and everything to do with $.
If ND wants to come along for a year, I think you do it because you might be able to make a little extra $.
You ar correct, it will make more money for a year and to a lesser degree improve S.O.S. and logistics of scheduling as Another 84 mentioned. Is that worth the negative of a team leaving after a year and the public preception of that? I am guessing Fox would have a strong opinion on ND in or out for a year.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 05, 2013, 08:56:29 AM
You ar correct, it will make more money for a year and to a lesser degree improve S.O.S. and logistics of scheduling as Another 84 mentioned. Is that worth the negative of a team leaving after a year and the public preception of that? I am guessing Fox would have a strong opinion on ND in or out for a year.
Well, are we talking "public perception" or "message board perception"?
The general public wouldn't really know or care. We (message boarders) are basketball crazy, so we notice things like this.
Most people have no idea... and ESPN would rather talk Tebow, or NFL draft, or argue if "Joe Flacco is elite" than comment on the Catholic 7 + ND.
Take ND for the year. Take the $ and run.
According to Jersey Guy, this is all a moot point
Forget the part about Notre Dame being part of the Catholic 7 for a year. A large segment of the Catholic 7 group really doesn't want the Irish as a one and done participant
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5408
If they want to be in the league and they get no special treatment or financial bonus, I'd be happy to take them for a year. This league needs competitive, brand name programs and like them or not, Notre Dame is one of them. Look at the crowd we had for the ND game - clearly the best of the year. I'm worried we will not get turnouts like that in the new league. Oh, and we always seem to crush them at home, on national TV.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on March 05, 2013, 09:04:49 AM
Well, are we talking "public perception" or "message board perception"?
The general public wouldn't really know or care. We (message boarders) are basketball crazy, so we notice things like this.
Most people have no idea... and ESPN would rather talk Tebow, or NFL draft, or argue if "Joe Flacco is elite" than comment on the Catholic 7 + ND.
Take ND for the year. Take the $ and run.
I disagree. There has been quite a bit of press about conference realignment. ESPN is frequently reporting on it and there is negative perception about how the Big East crumbled in front of our eyes. Some big names have spoken out against it including, Coach K, and Boeheim just off the top of my head.
I actually think the message board geeks would be ok with it. It is the general public who only has bits and pieces of information that would see it negatively. I just think it is time to move on, and start the new conference with schools that are committed for the long term. Apparently the C7 members agree.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 05, 2013, 09:30:07 AM
I disagree. There has been quite a bit of press about conference realignment. ESPN is frequently reporting on it and there is negative perception about how the Big East crumbled in front of our eyes. Some big names have spoken out against it including, Coach K, and Boeheim just off the top of my head.
I actually think the message board geeks would be ok with it. It is the general public who only has bits and pieces of information that would see it negatively. I just think it is time to move on, and start the new conference with schools that are committed for the long term. Apparently the C7 members agree.
I guess we'll agree to disagree.
I do think ESPN reports on it, but they also spent almost half of sportscenter talking about the COMBINE.
The average American is a moron and wants to hear about Te'o's 40 time. With all of the conference shuffling at this point, I don't think think people really notice anymore. It will be a 45 second report on sportscenter followed-up with a "Who is more NOW"? segment.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on March 05, 2013, 09:50:46 AM
I guess we'll agree to disagree.
I do think ESPN reports on it, but they also spent almost half of sportscenter talking about the COMBINE.
The average American is a moron and wants to hear about Te'o's 40 time. With all of the conference shuffling at this point, I don't think think people really notice anymore. It will be a 45 second report on sportscenter followed-up with a "Who is more NOW"? segment.
The crap on espn is a whole other topic. Yes the average american is a moron, but there are some average americans on this board, (you not included, perhaps myself)
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 05, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
The crap on espn is a whole other topic. Yes the average american is a moron, but there are some average americans on this board, (you not included, perhaps myself)
The politically correct phrase is "low information" as in "low information voter."
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 05, 2013, 08:46:13 AM
The C7 should request that ND send Swarbrick and all of their big wigs to a meeting to make their case to join the C7...and the the C7 will reject them...on TV...during a live show...hosted by Digger Phelps.
And Phelps has to have a "MU gold" colored highlighter with a matching tie!
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 05, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
The crap on espn is a whole other topic. Yes the average american is a moron, but there are some average americans on this board, (you not included, perhaps myself)
I say "average" because most American's don't care about college basketball... at all. They might fill out a bracket in their office pool, but they have no idea what conference X team plays in.
We all care A LOT, and scour the internet for information. The average person doesn't see or hear 1/100 of what we all read and hear about hoops.
ESPN, the sports network, spends more time watching guys do the shuttle run than they do discussing ANYTHING about college hoops. That's not an accident. They are pandering to the average joe six pack.
Therefore, I don't think there would be any significant PR hit for taking ND for a year. The average American would have no idea, and the average sports fan would hardly notice.
IF ND was willing, I say take them, take the $, and RUN.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on March 05, 2013, 10:09:41 AM
IF ND was willing, I say take them, take the $, and RUN.
What $? There is nothing out there saying the C7 will get more money if ND is in the conference for a year?
Quote from: Warriors10 on March 05, 2013, 10:28:41 AM
What $? There is nothing out there saying the C7 will get more money if ND is in the conference for a year?
Well, MU just sold out the other day against ND.
ND could potentially bring in more television $ and will certainly bring in a larger gate at each arena.
Quote from: frozena pizza on March 05, 2013, 09:12:31 AM
If they want to be in the league and they get no special treatment or financial bonus, I'd be happy to take them for a year. This league needs competitive, brand name programs and like them or not, Notre Dame is one of them. Look at the crowd we had for the ND game - clearly the best of the year. I'm worried we will not get turnouts like that in the new league. Oh, and we always seem to crush them at home, on national TV.
Then they luck out with the help of two senior guards, win the conference title, and leave while the league is adding two new teams. And the headline reads: "New Big East sees same old problems."
Hell, they don't even have to win the conference title. The average sport's writer or blogger is looking for a tag line to draw the eyeballs in, and doesn't really know all the ins and outs of conference realignment, so we'll see the headline anyway.