Big game for our conference title hopes. Go Huskies.
Find myself a Husky again tonight. This is one of three games I can see GU losing. Go UConn, you damn dirty dogs!
Boatright and Napier are fun to root for when you need then to beat someone you're fighting for title with. Come on fellas.
Nolan with a couple free throws
Cheering for UCONN tonight. But I can't help but be a fan of Otto Porter - great college player, and, if I recall correctly, not much of an AAU guy, which just goes to show you don't have to do that scene to be a good player. And as someone who isn't a big fan of the AAU scene, makes me happy.
Shouldn't we also be VT fans tonight for Buzz's COY chances?
Ive been looking at bracketology and bubble watch on ESPN and was wondering how UCONN isn't even on the bubble? Their worst loss is to who? Villanova (as of now in the tournament) at Home? or on the road to St. Johns (who is also in the tournament)?
They have good wins (Mich State, @ND, Cuse, Cinci) and no bad losses.
How they aren't being considered a tourney team is beyond me
Quote from: JMcSteal on February 27, 2013, 06:34:43 PM
Ive been looking at bracketology and bubble watch on ESPN and was wondering how UCONN isn't even on the bubble? Their worst loss is to who? Villanova (as of now in the tournament) at Home? or on the road to St. Johns (who is also in the tournament)?
They have good wins (Mich State, @ND, Cuse, Cinci) and no bad losses.
How they aren't being considered a tourney team is beyond me
UCONN is ineligible for the tournament this season.
AHHHHHH, Gotcha... Well now it all makes sense. Thanks
Go Huskies!
St. John's is in?
I would love to see the Demons beat loserville tonight. If their shooters get hot, can the cards match them if they score 80?
Quote from: ODMU238 on February 27, 2013, 06:40:57 PM
I would love to see the Demons beat loserville tonight. If their shooters get hot, can the cards match them if they score 80?
Call me crazy, but I think that could be a shocking upset. No way DePaul should win that game, but Louisville has been hot and is due for a letdown, and with a trip to the Carrier Dome on Saturday, they could easily be overlooking this.
Back on this game, Nolan playing pretty well for UConn.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2013, 06:44:18 PM
Call me crazy, but I think that could be a shocking upset. No way DePaul should win that game, but Louisville has been hot and is due for a letdown, and with a trip to the Carrier Dome on Saturday, they could easily be overlooking this.
Back on this game, Nolan playing pretty well for UConn.
Of course they're overlooking DePaul. And they'll get away with it to the tune of a win by 20+.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 27, 2013, 06:59:19 PM
....the NIT.
Lavin's job so far at St. Johns..... better, worse or on par with what you thought when he got hired?
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on February 27, 2013, 07:16:00 PMLavin's job so far at St. Johns..... better, worse or on par with what you thought when he got hired?
Hard to evaluate because of his health issues, but a great question. He did great with that veteran team when he arrived. His recruiting has been at a pretty high level and I expected that, but they haven't been able to put together a full roster since that first year.
I'd probably say slightly worse, but feel they still have the upside I expected when they went for the flashy name.
Lavin did have a bout with cancer
Did Ollie forget to tell his team they had to play 2 halves tonight?
Georgetown is going to win the BE. If they keep playing with this horseshoe up their ass they won't lose again. 8-9 in the 2nd half from 3?? Seriously?? Thing is, besides Porter, this Georgetown team isn't that talented. Have played great since losing Whittington, who was their second leading scorer, and probably best on the ball defender. I don't get how they are doing it.
And the team did not like Lavin's replacement and some bolted
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 07:34:01 PM
Georgetown is going to win the BE. If they keep playing with this horseshoe up their ass they won't lose again. 8-9 in the 2nd half from 3?? Seriously?? Thing is, besides Porter, this Georgetown team isn't that talented. Have played great since losing Whittington, who was their second leading scorer, and probably best on the ball defender. I don't get how they are doing it.
Starks is very talented. Best point guard in the league, in my opinion.
U Conn needs a remarkable comeback IT'S OVER
oR MAYBE NOT
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 07:34:01 PM
Georgetown is going to win the BE. If they keep playing with this horseshoe up their ass they won't lose again. 8-9 in the 2nd half from 3?? Seriously?? Thing is, besides Porter, this Georgetown team isn't that talented. Have played great since losing Whittington, who was their second leading scorer, and probably best on the ball defender. I don't get how they are doing it.
Smith-Rivera got more minutes after Whittington was lost. Smith-Rivera has extended the defenses with his range and that has made the difference. That kid can shoot and would be a very welcome participant on MU. Lets hope JJJ or Duane Wilson can play like him.
Turn out the lights, or not
Quote from: nyg on February 27, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
Smith-Rivera got more minutes after Whittington was lost. Smith-Rivera has extended the defenses with his range and that has made the difference. That kid can shoot and would be a very welcome participant on MU. Lets hope JJJ or Duane Wilson can play like him.
He's only shooting 32% from 3. Not buying that's the reason.
Hello doggie
WOW! Calhoun. If we end up winning the Big East title, we may have to send that kid a thank you card.
Wow!!
Almost a shock steal and score at the buzzer...if only that had fallen.
Omar's comin'!!!!
TIED GAME! OT!!! (Uconn should have one on the final shot).
Nooooooo; sweet air ball on the game winner; dede woulda drained that stuff
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2013, 08:01:48 PM
WOW! Calhoun. If we end up winning the Big East title, we may have to send that kid a thank you card.
... only Jake Thomas should sign it.
WOW. If that shot would have gone.....absolutely incredible.
Phillip Nolan Milw. Vincent/Riverside 4 pts for UCONN
Quote from: warriorstrack on February 27, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
Phillip Nolan Milw. Vincent/Riverside 4 pts for UCONN
Nolan was the player that sat on the floor out side the MU locker-room for an hour at the Prudential Center to talk to Buzz after the Seton Hall loss two years ago.
Word was he wanted to come to MU but after five High Schools in four years, Buzz passed.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 27, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
Nolan was the player that sat on the floor out side the MU locker-room for an hour at the Prudential Center to talk to Buzz after the Seton Hall loss two years ago.
Word was he wanted to come to MU but after five High Schools in four years, Buzz passed.
A wise decision by the Buzzard
Are these the same broadcasters for GU/UConn that called the Nova game?
yes
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 27, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
Nolan was the player that sat on the floor out side the MU locker-room for an hour at the Prudential Center to talk to Buzz after the Seton Hall loss two years ago.
Word was he wanted to come to MU but after five High Schools in four years, Buzz passed.
Why was Nolan in Newark?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 27, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
Why was Nolan in Newark?
He was at a prep school out east for one of those years.
Probably prep school he attended after Vincent is near there.
Beat me to the punch ;)
Go UCONN!
Shabazz Napier = Guts Personified
UConn is really helping us out. First they sagged way off Junior and let us take the win in overtime on New Year's, then they beat Syracuse, and now well on the way to a win over Georgetown with the 7 point lead and 2:03 to play in double OT. Let's go Huskies!
Back into a tie for first?
Too soon :P
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 27, 2013, 08:18:57 PM
He was at a prep school out east for one of those years.
I don't remember him here in Jersey. Must have been up north? If so, quite a trip to make in showing he wanted to be at MU.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 27, 2013, 08:26:54 PM
I don't remember him here in Jersey. Must have been up north? If so, quite a trip to make in showing he wanted to be at MU.
Pretty sure he played for St. Benedict's.
You guys are getting ahead of yourselves! Minute to play
so with a little over a minute left uconn is struggling to get the ball past half court, and it goes out bounds off a gtown player before the ball ever crosses half court. uconn then inbounds it and crosses the half court line with about 18 seconds on the shot clock...is that possible? i would think either the gtown player had possession and the shot clock restarts, or the shot clock doesn't restart and uconn would have needed to get the ball across half court with 25 or more seconds on the shot clock. as a result... a shot clock violation on uconn.
UConn handing this away...need to get a bucket here. From 7 points to 1, and I don't think GT is coming up empty on their next trip...
Luvky break for UConn there. C'mon.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 27, 2013, 08:29:59 PM
so with a little over a minute left uconn is struggling to get the ball past half court, and it goes out bounds off a gtown player before the ball ever crosses half court. uconn then inbounds it and crosses the half court line with about 18 seconds on the shot clock...is that possible? i would think either the gtown player had possession and the shot clock restarts, or the shot clock doesn't restart and uconn would have needed to get the ball across half court with 25 or more seconds on the shot clock. as a result... a shot clock violation on uconn.
In CBB they reset the 10 sec. count.
I blame you guys for jinxing it.
Holy Cr@p.
What the <expletive> was that? UConn puked that away.
Boatright needs to pass the ball!!!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
Pretty sure he played for St. Benedict's.
Really? Huh? Certainly did not make an impression.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
Pretty sure he played for St. Benedict's.
Yes, one of the five and the the school he went to two years ago which is why he was at the Pru waiting to see Buzz.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 27, 2013, 08:32:46 PM
I blame you guys for jinxing it.
I think UConn morphing into a 5-man turnover machine had more to do with it than any posts here on Scoop.
Quote from: newsdrms on February 27, 2013, 08:32:40 PM
In CBB they reset the 10 sec. count.
so the ball gets knocked out of bounds and you get a new 10? doesn't matter if the other team has possession or not?
can't believe they just blew that. no way in hell we let uconn in the C7.
We can forget Ollie for coach of the year after that collapse. That was terrible.
Wow...talk about crapping the bed
I said it before...with the horseshoe GT has up their ass, they ain't losing again in the BE, this proves it. What a f'n nut punch this game was. Up 7 with 2:00 to go and lose?? This is why losing to Nova is going to sting bad at the end of the year.
Uconn was playing on National TV and lost!
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 08:00:29 PM
He's only shooting 32% from 3. Not buying that's the reason.
Maybe, but the kid just hit a dagger three, then stole the ball from Napier on next possession.
I was alittle off with shooting percentage, but Georgetown 9 and 1 with him getting the extended play.
UCONN up seven with two to go and they started chucking it up. Just terrible loss and that one hurt.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 27, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
so the ball gets knocked out of bounds and you get a new 10? doesn't matter if the other team has possession or not?
can't believe they just blew that. no way in hell we let uconn in the C7.
Yep and if you call a timeout 10 sec. resets.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 27, 2013, 08:34:32 PMso the ball gets knocked out of bounds and you get a new 10? doesn't matter if the other team has possession or not?
Yup. One of the dumbest rules in the game, IMO. We've benefited from it at least twice this year.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 27, 2013, 08:32:46 PM
I blame you guys for jinxing it.
My bad, what shall my penance be? Two shots of Jameson before ND game?
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 08:35:16 PM
I said it before...with the horseshoe GT has up their ass, they ain't losing again in the BE, this proves it. What a f'n nut punch this game was. Up 7 with 2:00 to go and lose?? This is why losing to Nova is going to sting bad at the end of the year.
Don't forget that the reason we're in line for Otto's dramatics is that GTown choked a double digit lead late in the game. Not much of a horseshoe in that.
Hoyas deserve the crown because they play to their system with intensity and emotion rather than losing their head and flailing around.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 27, 2013, 08:40:59 PM
Don't forget that the reason we're in line for Otto's dramatics is that GTown choked a double digit lead late in the game. Not much of a horseshoe in that.
Hoyas deserve the crown because they play to their system with intensity and emotion rather than losing their head and flailing around.
So if Georgetown loses a game or 2 and we win out, will we also deserve it? Or will you somehow denigrate our accomplishment?
I would go nuts if I was a UCONN fan. Boatright and Shabazz (love that name) can be so incredibly infuriating to watch. They don't involve other players, jack up some crazy street ball shots, and compete for attention. Never have been a fan of Boatright, and wouldn't be surprised if his teammates weren't either.
Tuuuuuurrible collapse for the Huskies.
If MU doesn't win the BE title, and looking slim now, they have only themselves to blame for losing to a much inferior Nova team. Ugh! I said it was going to take me a looooonggg time to get over that one...you are seeing why now.
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 08:49:24 PM
If MU doesn't win the BE title, and looking slim now, they have only themselves to blame for losing to a much inferior Nova team. Ugh! I said it was going to take me a looooonggg time to get over that one...you are seeing why now.
Nova is a tournament-caliber team. Tough to beat tournament-caliber teams in their gyms.
GTown is playing better than anyone in the conference right now. They've added the ability to score on top of their already great D. UConn was very lucky to get to OT. But they absolutely melted down in the final minute of Double OT. Darn shame. Very rare that I would cheer for them over a C7 but tonight was a big opportunity for MU.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 27, 2013, 08:53:44 PM
Nova is a tournament-caliber team. Tough to beat tournament-caliber teams in their gyms.
True. But UCONN is a tournament-caliber team too, even if they are ineligible.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 27, 2013, 08:47:07 PM
So if Georgetown loses a game or 2 and we win out, will we also deserve it? Or will you somehow denigrate our accomplishment?
If Marquette is somehow able to over take Georgetown and Louisville this last week for the title then of course they will deserve it because that would be a monumental mountain to climb.
Quote from: newsdrms on February 27, 2013, 08:35:37 PM
Uconn was playing on National TV and lost!
blue uni's too?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 27, 2013, 09:05:24 PM
If Marquette is somehow able to over take Georgetown and Louisville this last week for the title then of course they will deserve it because that would be a monumental mountain to climb.
MU doesn't have to pass Louisville nor Georgetown. In the Big East (like the B1G), everyone in first counts as Big East champions.
In other words, MU wins out and Georgetown loses (Nova or to Rutgers or Cuse) and MU will big Big East Champion as well.
Quote from: wardle2wade on February 27, 2013, 09:11:41 PM
MU doesn't have to pass Louisville nor Georgetown. In the Big East (like the B1G), everyone in first counts as Big East champions.
In other words, MU wins out and Georgetown loses (Nova or to Rutgers or Cuse) and MU will big Big East Champion as well.
Blech...Co-Champions. That's like playing to a tie in a specific sport. It's like kissing your sister. I could only get mildly excited about a co- championship.
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 08:35:16 PM
I said it before...with the horseshoe GT has up their ass, they ain't losing again in the BE, this proves it. What a f'n nut punch this game was. Up 7 with 2:00 to go and lose?? This is why losing to Nova is going to sting bad at the end of the year.
GT was up 5 with about 25 secs left in regulation and let UConn tie it. Stuff happens.
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 09:14:31 PM
Blech...Co-Champions. That's like playing to a tie in a specific sport. It's like kissing your sister. I could only get mildly excited about a co- championship.
Saw that coming from you. Well done.
Womp Womp
Quote from: wardle2wade on February 27, 2013, 09:11:41 PM
MU doesn't have to pass Louisville nor Georgetown. In the Big East (like the B1G), everyone in first counts as Big East champions.
In other words, MU wins out and Georgetown loses (Nova or to Rutgers or Cuse) and MU will big Big East Champion as well.
True. Outright is always best but joint won't be frowned upon.
Even still, it will be monumental to win out and have Louisville and Georgetown lose.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 27, 2013, 09:34:40 PM
True. Outright is always best but joint won't be frowned upon.
Even still, it will be monumental to win out and have Louisville and Georgetown lose.
Louisville wouldn't have to lose if we win out.
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 09:14:31 PM
Blech...Co-Champions. That's like playing to a tie in a specific sport. It's like kissing your sister. I could only get mildly excited about a co- championship.
If they are champions outright or co champions, either one would be fantastic. Champions either way.
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 09:14:31 PM
Blech...Co-Champions. That's like playing to a tie in a specific sport. It's like kissing your sister. I could only get mildly excited about a co- championship.
wow. aren't you a terrible fan... I noticed you went absolutely berserk after we lost to Nova, but were nowhere to be found after we knocked off Cuse. Crazy how that happened...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 27, 2013, 09:38:51 PM
If they are champions outright or co champions, either one would be fantastic. Champions either way.
+1
Quote from: Wade for President on February 27, 2013, 08:47:44 PM
I would go nuts if I was a UCONN fan. Boatright and Shabazz (love that name) can be so incredibly infuriating to watch. They don't involve other players, jack up some crazy street ball shots, and compete for attention. Never have been a fan of Boatright, and wouldn't be surprised if his teammates weren't either.
Tuuuuuurrible collapse for the Huskies.
Re-posted from another thread.Credit Georgetown, UConn had this game won in the second OT and blew it. Contrast Otto Porter calmly driving right down the lane for the game-winner with Boatright taking a terrible shot instead of passing to one of TWO open teammates under the basket and Napier taking a horrible shot at the end of the second OT with three guys guarding him.
Why is it a terrible collapse by Uconn but not an equally terrible collapse by G'Town? They were up 5 points with what, 11 seconds left and were forced to OT. They gave up a layup. Missed the front end of a free throw and then gave up a 3 pointer to tie, then turned it over again and UCONN got another shot to win....all in the last 11 seconds.
Don't forget with 4+ minutes to go they were up 12. If anyone blew this game, it was G'Town, but they managed to get it back.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 27, 2013, 09:37:37 PM
Louisville wouldn't have to lose if we win out.
For an outright title, Louisville would have to lose. They stand at 11-4 just like Marquette. But asking Hoyas to collapse is a tall order.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on February 27, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
True. But UCONN is a tournament-caliber team too, even if they are ineligible.
Rrrrrrrrriiiiiiight..... agreed....... but how does that detract from my point that it's stupid to whine about the @Nova loss when it just took Georgetown 2OT & Cuse lost @UConn? Or are we agreeing that it's tough to beat tournament-caliber teams in their own gym? I guess I'm confused.
Hopefully, MU woke Cuse up and they win out.
Even though it seems that Georgetown is unbeatable at the moment, I still think 3 wins gets at least a share of the title.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 27, 2013, 09:48:24 PM
Why is it a terrible collapse by Uconn but not an equally terrible collapse by G'Town? They were up 5 points with what, 11 seconds left and were forced to OT. They gave up a layup. Missed the front end of a free throw and then gave up a 3 pointer to tie, then turned it over again and UCONN got another shot to win....all in the last 11 seconds.
Don't forget with 4+ minutes to go they were up 12. If anyone blew this game, it was G'Town, but they managed to get it back.
Because Georgetown won the game, Mr. Contrarian.
Quote from: muguru on February 27, 2013, 09:14:31 PM
Blech...Co-Champions. That's like playing to a tie in a specific sport. It's like kissing your sister. I could only get mildly excited about a co- championship.
So you get mildly excited when kissing your sister. Interesting.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 27, 2013, 10:54:46 PM
Because Georgetown won the game, Mr. Contrarian.
People were saying that Uconn blew it, but G'Town equally blew it. If G'Town had lost that game, I have a feeling it wouldn't be presented as a GTown blowing it, but a great Uconn come from behind victory. Nothing contrarian about it, just pointing out the difference in approach when both teams "blew it".
Banner if co-champions?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 27, 2013, 11:09:35 PM
People were saying that Uconn blew it, but G'Town equally blew it. If G'Town had lost that game, I have a feeling it wouldn't be presented as a GTown blowing it, but a great Uconn come from behind victory. Nothing contrarian about it, just pointing out the difference in approach when both teams "blew it".
Georgetown losing means they blew it. They did not. UCONN losing means they blew it. They did. Why try to make something so simple and obvious into some kind of defense against imagined Georgetown haters?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 27, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
So you get mildly excited when kissing your sister. Interesting.
+10000
Well player sir. Well played
Quote from: Warriors10 on February 27, 2013, 11:18:11 PM
Banner if co-champions?
You put this in teal but yes, there should be a banner for co-champions.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 27, 2013, 09:48:24 PM
Why is it a terrible collapse by Uconn but not an equally terrible collapse by G'Town? They were up 5 points with what, 11 seconds left and were forced to OT. They gave up a layup. Missed the front end of a free throw and then gave up a 3 pointer to tie, then turned it over again and UCONN got another shot to win....all in the last 11 seconds.
Don't forget with 4+ minutes to go they were up 12. If anyone blew this game, it was G'Town, but they managed to get it back.
All Georgetown did wrong in the last 11 seconds is miss the front end of a one and one, UConn made some very big shots to tie it. UConn wasted time on offense down the stretch for no good reason and wound up not getting a decent shot their last several possessions. The way they played practically guaranteed it. Georgetown still had to make shots at the other end, but as Herm Edwards says, "You play to win the game." UConn played not to lose at the end.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2013, 07:32:35 AM
All Georgetown did wrong in the last 11 seconds is miss the front end of a one and one, UConn made some very big shots to tie it. UConn wasted time on offense down the stretch for no good reason and wound up not getting a decent shot their last several possessions. The way they played practically guaranteed it. Georgetown still had to make shots at the other end, but as Herm Edwards says, "You play to win the game." UConn played not to lose at the end.
I thought UConn took the air out of the ball with 2 to play while up 7 and all the momentum of the home crowd. Go for the jugular! Of course, they did the exact same thing they just witnessed Georgetown do at the end of regulation when it looked like it would turn into a blow out. Strange game with two crazy turns of events when it looked like each team had the other on the ropes. Really wish UConn could have pulled it out. Still up to us to win out, and all Georgetown has to do is drop 1/3.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 28, 2013, 07:32:35 AM
All Georgetown did wrong in the last 11 seconds is miss the front end of a one and one, UConn made some very big shots to tie it. UConn wasted time on offense down the stretch for no good reason and wound up not getting a decent shot their last several possessions. The way they played practically guaranteed it. Georgetown still had to make shots at the other end, but as Herm Edwards says, "You play to win the game." UConn played not to lose at the end.
CT, G'Town is up 3 and they allow a 3 with under 5 seconds....cardinal sin in my book...foul the guy everytime. Then they can't even in bound the ball and throw it right to UConn who has a chance to win it with 2 seconds left. As you mentioned, they also missed a ft that would have iced the game with 9 seconds left....prior to that they give up another basket after Uconn misses a 3 pointer and they get beat on the rebound. They had that game in control and were up 12 points with 4:36 left. G'Town couldn't get out of their own way in those last 4+ minutes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2013, 09:18:27 AM
CT, G'Town is up 3 and they allow a 3 with under 5 seconds....cardinal sin in my book...foul the guy everytime. Then they can't even in bound the ball and throw it right to UConn who has a chance to win it with 2 seconds left. As you mentioned, they also missed a ft that would have iced the game with 9 seconds left....prior to that they give up another basket after Uconn misses a 3 pointer and they get beat on the rebound. They had that game in control and were up 12 points with 4:36 left. G'Town couldn't get out of their own way in those last 4+ minutes.
Everyone with a brain would take JT3's "book" over yours.
Who cares? Georgetown won the game!
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 28, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Everyone with a brain would take JT3's "book" over yours.
Who cares? Georgetown won the game!
Except that many coaches, including those better than JTIII advocate for fouling that situation. So it's not "my brain" to worry with, it's what is the right call.
Here's what I think is going on here. People are disappointed that UCONN didn't win because a G'Town loss would mean a better shot at the title for MU. Thus, Uconn "blew it", "crapped the bed", "pissed the bed"...that's the MU lens they are looking through. It's not that G'Town coughed up a 12 point lead with under 5 minutes to go or couldn't get their crap together again in the last 11 seconds, it was Uconn blowing it in OT which ultimately means they blew an opportunity for MU.
I'm trying to take the emotion out of it and see it for what it is. G'Town blew the game. Then Uconn blew the game, but Uconn never even has the chance to blow it if G'Town doesn't blow it first. Ultimately, good win for G'Town.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2013, 10:12:27 AM
Except that many coaches, including those better than JTIII advocate for fouling that situation. So it's not "my brain" to worry with, it's what is the right call.
Here's what I think is going on here. People are disappointed that UCONN didn't win because a G'Town loss would mean a better shot at the title for MU. Thus, Uconn "blew it", "crapped the bed", "pissed the bed"...that's the MU lens they are looking through. It's not that G'Town coughed up a 12 point lead with under 5 minutes to go or couldn't get their crap together again in the last 11 seconds, it was Uconn blowing it in OT which ultimately means they blew an opportunity for MU.
I'm trying to take the emotion out of it and see it for what it is. G'Town blew the game. Then Uconn blew the game, but Uconn never even has the chance to blow it if G'Town doesn't blow it first. Ultimately, good win for G'Town.
If it's so cut and dry as "the right call" then there would be no debate about it. It's your opinion and the opinion of some coaches that you foul in that situation. JT3 disagrees.
I understand that due to your strong desire for attention, you like to antagonize and instigate, but seriously this one is really a stretch even for you. You are trying to argue that the team that WON the game blew the game. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 28, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
If it's so cut and dry as "the right call" then there would be no debate about it. It's your opinion and the opinion of some coaches that you foul in that situation. JT3 disagrees.
I understand that due to your strong desire for attention, you like to antagonize and instigate, but seriously this one is really a stretch even for you. You are trying to argue that the team that WON the game blew the game. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Statistics have showed you're actually more likely to lose fouling up 3 and the team is just as likely to tie to the game. And seeing as we were getting out rebounded all game I don't think it was a bad call.
foul or not to foul is not cut and dry. With our defense I think playing it out is generally the way to go. If they make the shot you tip your hat to them.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on February 28, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Statistics have showed you're actually more likely to lose fouling up 3 and the team is just as likely to tie to the game. And seeing as we were getting out rebounded all game I don't think it was a bad call.
foul or not to foul is not cut and dry. With our defense I think playing it out is generally the way to go. If they make the shot you tip your hat to them.
Latest statistics I have seen show there is no statistical difference between the two strategies according to a Harvard study in 2010, this is why the split among coaches remains. Personally, I would foul but I understand both philosophies I just think too many things have to go right to get into a tie. If you are up 3 and you foul, the guy has to make the first free throw, miss the second, your team gets the rebound, and your team must score. Four things have to happen. If you play it straight up, only one thing has to happen...they make a 3 point shot.
Bill Fenlon wrote a good article on it several years ago. http://www.depauw.edu/ath/mbasket/images/up3.pdf You might ask who is Bill Fenlon? He is the head coach at Depauw and coached a kid named Brad Stevens, the current head coach at Butler. The article is entitled YOU GOTTA FOUL. Stevens employed the very tactic against Michigan State a few years ago in the Final Four and it worked, to advance to the championship.
I was referring to this kenpom study that came out 2 weeks ago
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/yet_another_study_about_fouling_when_up_3 (http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/yet_another_study_about_fouling_when_up_3)