http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4719
Hmmmm.....
I don't want Aresco involved, but from a basketball product point of view, this would be the best option out there.
I just don't want to go overboard on football members though. UConn and UC? I can live with that. But draw the line there. No Memphis. No Temple.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 11, 2013, 04:09:59 PM
Hmmmm.....
I don't want Aresco involved, but from a basketball product point of view, this would be the best option out there.
I just don't want to go overboard on football members though. UConn and UC? I can live with that. But draw the line there. No Memphis. No Temple.
Totally agree. That would be a great basketball league.
But what happens when the ACC gets raided again and calls UCONN and Cincy?
About all that Xavier/Butler/Creighton leverage .....
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on January 11, 2013, 04:15:39 PM
But what happens when the ACC gets raided again and calls UCONN and Cincy?
That question is addressed in the story:
For the Catholic schools, there would be little risk if UConn and Cincinnati were taken by the ACC, since a solid base of 10 all basketball schools would remain and could be replaced with other solid schools such as Creighton, George Mason or VCU.
I'd tell them to take a hike unless they drop football. Or put the buyout price so high they could never leave.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 04:18:29 PM
That question is addressed in the story:
For the Catholic schools, there would be little risk if UConn and Cincinnati were taken by the ACC, since a solid base of 10 all basketball schools would remain and could be replaced with other solid schools such as Creighton, George Mason or VCU.
This just sounds a little too much like: "Let's get back together, so I can leave you, instead of you leaving me."
Then you
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on January 11, 2013, 04:15:39 PM
But what happens when the ACC gets raided again and calls UCONN and Cincy?
Then you have a 10 team league that allows a round robin conference schedule until you find 2 more candidates.
The ACC raiding them is the only bad thing I see in this (well besides SLU being the 12th team...I'd rather Creighton...or even Dayton for that matter...over SLU).
-provides a better product for TV negotiations
-provides that crucial football school to formally dissolve the Big East - no exit fees for us...and then when UC and UConn do leave, we get exit fees from them
-2 solid basketball programs
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 11, 2013, 04:09:59 PM
Hmmmm.....
I don't want Aresco involved, but from a basketball product point of view, this would be the best option out there.
I just don't want to go overboard on football members though. UConn and UC? I can live with that. But draw the line there. No Memphis. No Temple.
I agree with the only two football playing schools concept. Why not Memphis and UConn? Why add Cincy and have two Cincinnati teams?
We should probably ask keefe which teams Fox Sports would prefer.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 11, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
I agree with the only two football playing schools concept. Why not Memphis and UConn? Why add Cincy and have two Cincinnati teams?
We should probably ask keefe which teams Fox Sports would prefer.
He'd probably say Gonzaga.
I don't like it. We have a chance to put this football-related restructuring nonsense behind us once and for all and to start building a brand around a new stable conference. Putting in these two schools that we 100% KNOW will leave first chance they get is just postponing another round of restructuring. I say freeze 'em out entirely unless they fold their FBS teams and sign a contract saying they won't restart the programs.
Great from a basketball perspective, lousy from a long-term stability perspective. We can't tell two other teams to take a hike for now and that we'll come calling when UConn and Cinci inevitably bail. I want long term stability.
NO NO NO! If that happens, I'm done. I can't believe this. The C7 schools finally grow a pair and set out to determine their own fate——only to turn around and welcome back two football schools that have zero interest in being long-term members. >:(
Absolutely unreal. UConn and Cincy: two schools that would have left the Big East in the dust long ago...if only someone wanted them. Screw them both. They wanted out—and made that fact loud and clear. Now, they're scrambling for a home. F**k 'em.
Guess it's like having a cheating, lying girlfriend who treats you like crap. You finally dump her, but then turn around and welcome her back with open arms.
I can't tell you enough how much I absolutely hate this idea.
Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on January 11, 2013, 04:15:39 PM
But what happens when the ACC gets raided again and calls UCONN and Cincy?
I'd agree with what the bottom of that article says, it still leaves you 10 basketball teams which you could probably add two more from the A10 no problem. Same when the ACC came for Boston College and Miami and the Big East backfilled from C-USA.
Agree not great for long term stability, but to be honest I don't think any conference has full long term stability right now besides maybe the SEC
The story indicates that Xavier, Butler and St. Louis are the favorites for the non-football, non-C7 schools to add. I would swap Creighton for St. Louis, but that's just my opinion. And with both Xavier and Cincinnati in the league, that would probably preclude Dayton from joining as well, until Cincy left and Dayton could take its spot.
Quote from: eroc830 on January 11, 2013, 04:30:44 PM
I'd agree with what the bottom of that article says, it still leaves you 10 basketball teams which you could probably add two more from the A10 no problem. Same when the ACC came for Boston College and Miami and the Big East backfilled from C-USA.
Agree not great for long term stability, but to be honest I don't think any conference has full long term stability right now besides maybe the SEC
Wrong. The SEC, Big 10, and Pac-12 are all sitting in fine positions. And so would the C7...if they avoid all this UConn, Cincy crap.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 11, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
I agree with the only two football playing schools concept. Why not Memphis and UConn? Why add Cincy and have two Cincinnati teams?
We should probably ask keefe which teams Fox Sports would prefer.
Give it about a month. He'll have found the article by then.
It would be a heck of a basketball league to have them with X, Butler, and Creighton. And yeah, no way in hell should the C7 ever touch more football schools like Memphis and Temple. If there's a core of 10 basketball schools and UConn and Cincy are willing to give an appropriate exit fee when they finally do get their football invites - enough to give everyone some cash for doing them a favor and buy out New Team 11-12 of their current conference so there is no gap in the games in order to keep the network happy...go ahead. Probably gets the most money out of the television contract to give them these two "to start", and buys a little time to let the candidates for the two TBD spots have an arms race to prove they're the best fit since 10 teams is easy, teams 11-12 at this point become somewhat underwhelming.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 04:30:01 PM
Guess it's like having a cheating, lying girlfriend who treats you like crap. You finally dump her, but then turn around and welcome her back with open arms.
No, it's just agreeing to have sex with her. And like they say, ex sex is the best sex.
UConn and Cinci have been looking for an out - fuhgetaboutem! Welcome Bulldogs, Musketeers, Bluejays and Billikens!
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2013, 04:28:46 PM
Great from a basketball perspective, lousy from a long-term stability perspective. We can't tell two other teams to take a hike for now and that we'll come calling when UConn and Cinci inevitably bail. I want long term stability.
And you
deserve long term stability. Take heart in the fact that the sports writer who is floating this, Mark Blaudschun, is a football beat writer.
If we're going down this road, why not take Memphis too? Then you add X and Butler and don't need SLU or Dayton.
This being said, the purpose of this exercise is to control our own destiny. Bringing football back into the equation does nothing to support the goal.
I am not opposed to adding Uconn and Cincy, but I think we should go to 12 teams now not counting them.
14 team league, if they join. That way, if they leave, we have a 12 team league we would of had without them joining.
Quote from: foreverwarriors on January 11, 2013, 04:20:13 PM
Then you
Then you have a 10 team league that allows a round robin conference schedule until you find 2 more candidates.
The ACC raiding them is the only bad thing I see in this (well besides SLU being the 12th team...I'd rather Creighton...or even Dayton for that matter...over SLU).
-provides a better product for TV negotiations
-provides that crucial football school to formally dissolve the Big East - no exit fees for us...and then when UC and UConn do leave, we get exit fees from them
-2 solid basketball programs
These are the biggest reasons why these make sense. UConn and Cincy are worth more both in TV negotiations and in possible exit fees whenever they might get the call from the ACC than any combination of the other schools.
Like a reverse notre dame could uconn and cincy join the c7 in all sports but football and put their football in a different conference or go independent?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 11, 2013, 04:19:22 PM
I'd tell them to take a hike unless they drop football. Or put the buyout price so high they could never leave.
Agreed. If they agree to a $50M buyout then maybe. If they agree to a non-negotiable $50M buyout, then yes. Anything less and I don't want them. I'd rather have basketball schools that are committed to this than football schools that are just trying to save face. Let them do that in C-USA.
http://www.youtube.com/v/xlA9bNk3b5Q
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 11, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
I agree with the only two football playing schools concept. Why not Memphis and UConn? Why add Cincy and have two Cincinnati teams?
We should probably ask keefe which teams Fox Sports would prefer.
Yes, why add another team from Cincinnati?? This is Xavier's time to shine in a BBall centric league. One school per market---that is all you get.
Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market. Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.
Quote from: MUVA on January 11, 2013, 04:52:26 PM
Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market. Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.
Why would the C7 allow Xavier to dictate membership?
If X doesn't like it, they can stay in the A-10 (though quite possibly without Butler, Dayton and/or St. Louis).
Sheesh ... I like Xavier, would love to have them as a conference mate again, but people here seem way too deferential to them.
UConn+Cincy >>>> Xavier.
@EdDaigneault
UConn official says AD Warde Manuel has had no talks with the Catholic 7 or the MWC. He does not want to split football and basketball.
https://twitter.com/EdDaigneault/status/289867308183220224
Quote from: MUVA on January 11, 2013, 04:52:26 PM
Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market. Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.
Xavier doesn't have a say in who will be in the league. The C7 does. The network will consult, but we pick who will get invites. And frankly, having both Cincy and Xavier would be good for this league, even if for the wrong reasons.
Quote from: MDMU04 on January 11, 2013, 04:38:57 PM
If we're going down this road, why not take Memphis too? Then you add X and Butler and don't need SLU or Dayton.
This being said, the purpose of this exercise is to control our own destiny. Bringing football back into the equation does nothing to support the goal.
Why not also add Temple, USF, East Carolina and Tulane and we can keep everything just the way it is??? ::)
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
UConn+Cincy >>>> Xavier.
Until they try to screw us yet again...
They're adrift in the middle of the cold, cold ocean. I'm not throwing them a life preserver; I'm throwing them an anchor.
Mick Cronin can go pay his thugs elsewhere.
We want stability - wasn't that one of the objectives of saying "Hasta la bye bye" to UCONN and Cincy in the first place...? How does them joining the C7 accomplish that? We *all* know (except maybe Keefe) that both of them will continue to make flirty faces at the ACC or any other major conference that'll take them.
To borrow from the esteemed poetess Taylor Swift: We are never, ever, ever, ever getting back together.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 04:58:40 PM
Why not also add Temple, USF, East Carolina and Tulane and we can keep everything just the way it is??? ::)
EXACTLY.
NO. They have everything set up for a good basketball league. Why on earth would they allow them back in. Frustrating beyond belief. I hope it isn't true.
It's not like adding UConn and Cincy will magically create a football team for any of the basketball only schools (although I'm sure Villanova fans are hoping it will)...so how exactly does adding them create instability? They leave and we'd still have a strong 10 team league.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 11, 2013, 05:02:53 PM
Until they try to screw us yet again...
They're adrift in the middle of the cold, cold ocean. I'm not throwing them a life preserver; I'm throwing them an anchor.
Mick Cronin can go pay his thugs elsewhere.
We want stability - wasn't that one of the objectives of saying "Hasta la bye bye" to UCONN and Cincy in the first place...? How does them joining the C7 accomplish that? We *all* know (except maybe Keefe) that both of them will continue to make flirty faces at the ACC or any other major conference that'll take them.
To borrow from the esteemed poetess Taylor Swift: We are never, ever, ever, ever getting back together.
EXACTLY.
To quote Miss Taylor Swift, we knew that Cincy and Uconn were trouble when they walked in.
Quote from: foreverwarriors on January 11, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
It's not like adding UConn and Cincy will magically create a football team for any of the basketball only schools (although I'm sure Villanova fans are hoping it will)...so how exactly does adding them create instability? They leave and we'd still have a strong 10 team league.
So, you want two league members that will be openly throwing themselves at the ACC and Big XII—and bail the moment an offer comes????
Absolutely unreal.
I'm stunned by the responses to this thread. Just stunned.
Quote from: foreverwarriors on January 11, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
It's not like adding UConn and Cincy will magically create a football team for any of the basketball only schools (although I'm sure Villanova fans are hoping it will)...so how exactly does adding them create instability? They leave and we'd still have a strong 10 team league.
We'd have to find two more teams to replace them... and we'd all know they'd be wanting to dance with somebody else from day one.
It's like if you know your spouse has been eyeing up the mailman, throws a fit when the mailman won't take her, and then when you start to move on with your life, she comes back and says "baby, please don't go."
No thank you.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
So, you want two league members that will be openly throwing themselves at the ACC and Big XII—and bail the moment an offer comes????
Absolutely unreal.
I'm stunned by the responses to this thread. Just stunned.
I outlined why I think you take them for the short term here: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=35406.msg437743#msg437743
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 04:58:40 PM
Why not also add Temple, USF, East Carolina and Tulane and we can keep everything just the way it is??? ::)
If you read my entire post, you may notice that the second sentence said that adding football schools defeats the purpose of starting the new conference where we can control what happens outside of football realignment.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 11, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
We'd have to find two more teams to replace them...
And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.
Quoteand we'd all know they'd be wanting to dance with somebody else from day one.
And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.
Quote
It's like if you know your spouse has been eyeing up the mailman, throws a fit when the mailman won't take her, and then when you start to move on with your life, she comes back and says "baby, please don't go."
It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 05:19:41 PM
And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.
And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.
It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).
+1
Regardless of whether it's a good idea, the UConn AD has said he hasn't talked w/ anyone about it. I think it's a good idea...but considering the framework is already in place for us, if it doesn't happen, there is no impact.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 05:19:41 PM
And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.
And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.
It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).
Isn't the stability of the league long term a business approach? Having two members that are there because they have no where else to go and that aren't and won't ever be 100% committed isn't a great business formula. Why bring someone into the fold who fill dip-out when given the chance? A company wouldn't hire a potential worker knowing they are half-heartily doing their job.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 05:19:41 PM
You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).
Hold up here. Wasn't one of the driving factors of this whole saying "ok, that's it, screw you guys, I'm going home" to get AWAY from the trainwreck that the BEast is becoming because of football and turnover because of poaching?
How does inviting the illiterate (UCONN) and the thugs (Cincy) accomplish this? The only thing that this gets us is away from East Carolina and their fellow Sisters of the Poor programs.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 11, 2013, 05:23:21 PM
Isn't the stability of the league long term a business approach? Having two members that are there because they have no where else to go and that aren't and won't ever be 100% committed isn't a great business formula. Why bring someone into the fold who fill dip-out when given the chance? A company wouldn't hire a potential worker knowing they are half-heartily doing their job.
This already has been answered several times, but here goes one more:
1. Likely increases value of TV package (UConn and Cincy >>> Creighton and Dayton)
2. Helps retain Big East name and brand
3. Could help avoid exit fees/legal fight over fees
4. Create exit fee windfall if/when they do leave
5. Improve leverage in negotiations with other possible conference members (Xavier, for example, is much less of a must have with Cincy and UConn in the fold)
6. They happen to have pretty good basketball teams with longstanding traditions of success
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 05:19:41 PM
And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.
And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.
It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).
So how is it good for business to have two schools that don't want to be long-term partners with the C7—and will be looking to bail the moment they join? Will it be good for business to have every media outlet reporting on UConn's and Cincy's constant attempts to join another conference? Will it be good for business to have those same media outlets constantly speculating as to when UConn and Cincy will finally hook up with another conference? Will it be good for business to have the C7 suddenly drop two teams—and then be forced to scramble for two replacements?
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 11, 2013, 05:24:24 PM
Hold up here. Wasn't one of the driving factors of this whole saying "ok, that's it, screw you guys, I'm going home" to get AWAY from the trainwreck that the BEast is becoming because of football and turnover because of poaching?
How does inviting the illiterate (UCONN) and the thugs (Cincy) accomplish this? The only thing that this gets us is away from East Carolina and their fellow Sisters of the Poor programs.
Ummm .... no.
It creates a power basketball conference (much more so with UConn/Cincy than without) with no football influence whatsoever.
The driving factor behind the C7's move was because in the Big East's desperation to preserve its football product it was destroying its basketball product. That's not an issue here because there is no football product.
I would be fine with this as long as this doesn't derail Xavier's invite.
The league would get an instant huge rivalry game to market with first ever conference crosstown shootout.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 11, 2013, 04:09:59 PM
Hmmmm.....
I don't want Aresco involved, but from a basketball product point of view, this would be the best option out there.
I just don't want to go overboard on football members though. UConn and UC? I can live with that. But draw the line there. No Memphis. No Temple.
We could do a lot worse than Aresco. He was thrown into a crap storm that got worse 6 days in. We could do a lot worse.
I'll believe this whole UC + UCONN angle when I see it. The basketball only schools have the leverage (both the C7 and the invitees), why give some of that up. This is like rebound with your ex girlfriend who you don't even like anymore and it wasn't good to begin with. You end just kind of saying..eh.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 05:19:41 PM
.... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.
It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).
This. I don't believe this will happen, but some of you sure are little girls about it.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 05:34:49 PM
So how is it good for business to have two schools that don't want to be long-term partners with the C7—and will be looking to bail the moment they join? Will it be good for business to have every media outlet reporting on UConn's and Cincy's constant attempts to join another conference? Will it be good for business to have those same media outlets constantly speculating as to when UConn and Cincy will finally hook up with another conference? Will it be good for business to have the C7 suddenly drop two teams—and then be forced to scramble for two replacements?
Yes, because the C10 will get enough dollars and positive attention out of the +2 to make it worthwhile, and it would hardly be crippling to a league that the two members everyone knows will leave finally do. Let's be realistic, the media will be reporting on the Big Ten or Big 12's big day when they raid the ACC, and the world will give a collective yawn at the afterthought of UConn and Cincy moving to fill the void and the C10 backfilling for them.
An interesting twist.
At a minimum I'd use this as leverage with Xavier if they get uppity. I could imagine building a scenario where UConn and Cincy get to join. Candidly, I've always believed that they've acted prudently in this entire situation. They're joining MUST mean a 12-14 team league out of the box with language within the Fox package that contemplates their departure and extracts huge fees from them if they do.
One way to think about this is like a baseball mid season rental. If they get you a World Series ring...
Man the lawyers are making coin right now. But as long as they get it right.
Quote from: jsglow on January 11, 2013, 05:50:32 PM
An interesting twist.
At a minimum I'd use this as leverage with Xavier if they get uppity. I could imagine building a scenario where UConn and Cincy get to join. Candidly, I've always believed that they've acted prudently in this entire situation. They're joining MUST mean a 12-14 team league out of the box with language within the Fox package that contemplates their departure and extracts huge fees from them if they do.
One way to think about this is like a baseball mid season rental. If they get you a World Series ring...
Man the lawyers are making coin right now. But as long as they get it right.
If they get uppity??? Why is Xavier suddenly the bad guy? Why is everyone looking to put the screws to them? UConn and Cincy get a hero's welcome—but Xavier is forced to grovel. Makes perfect sense. ::)
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 05:53:39 PM
If they get uppity??? Why is Xavier suddenly the bad guy? Why is everyone looking to put the screws to them? UConn and Cincy get a hero's welcome—but Xavier is forced to grovel. Makes perfect sense. ::)
I'm not suggesting for one moment that Xavier is acting uppity. Nor am I suggesting that UConn or Cincy be welcomed with open arms. BEast 2.0 is the hottest New York nightclub right now. And the C7 decides on all those pretty girls in line. The more super models we let in, the more we can charge for a gin and tonic at the bar.
And to add to my analogy, you know who's the bouncer in my little story?? The one and only Chumlee from Pawn Stars in his role as DePaul.
Quote from: jsglow on January 11, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
I'm not suggesting for one moment that Xavier is acting uppity. Nor am I suggesting that UConn or Cincy be welcomed with open arms. BEast 2.0 is the hottest New York nightclub right now. And the C7 decides on all those pretty girls in line. The more super models we let in, the more we can charge for a gin and tonic at the bar.
Accept some of those pretty girls are only at your club because they're waiting for the one next door to open. When it does, they instantly bolt and you're standing there wondering what just happened.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 06:02:15 PM
Accept some of those pretty girls are only at your club because they're waiting for the one next door to open. When it does, they instantly bolt and you're standing there wondering what just happened.
Right. That's how the guys at Studio 51 made a kajillion dollars. Iron is hot now. Remind me not to ask you for business advice groin.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 06:02:15 PM
Accept some of those pretty girls are only at your club because they're waiting for the one next door to open. When it does, they instantly bolt and you're standing there wondering what just happened.
Why are you so hung up on UConn's and Cincy's eventual departure? If having them, even if only temporarily, means a better TV deal, means keeping the Big East name without a big price, means not paying the BE exit fees, means a better conference, etc., then it's a no brainer.
It seems to me the only negative being offered here is "They'll want to leave us and that reminds me of a girl who broke my heart once."
So what?
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 11, 2013, 05:05:49 PM
To quote Miss Taylor Swift, we knew that Cincy and Uconn were trouble when they walked in.
Gotta read what BeeJay thinks of Taylor's white Ralph Lauren gown.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Why are you so hung up on UConn's and Cincy's eventual departure? If having them, even if only temporarily, means a better TV deal, means keeping the Big East name without a big price, means not paying the BE exit fees, means a better conference, etc., then it's a no brainer.
It seems to me the only negative being offered here is "They'll want to leave us and that reminds me of a girl who broke my heart once."
So what?
And in the meantime a G&T is $20.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 11, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Why are you so hung up on UConn's and Cincy's eventual departure? If having them, even if only temporarily, means a better TV deal, means keeping the Big East name without a big price, means not paying the BE exit fees, means a better conference, etc., then it's a no brainer.
It seems to me the only negative being offered here is "They'll want to leave us and that reminds me of a girl who broke my heart once."
So what?
Of course, this monster TV deal you expect because UConn and Cincy are gracing us with their presence will remain—even when they leave, right? ::) I'm sure Fox (or CBS) wouldn't cover themselves against the eminent departures of UConn and Cincy.
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 06:15:59 PM
Of course, this monster TV deal you expect because UConn and Cincy are gracing us with their presence will remain—even when they leave, right? ::) I'm sure Fox (or CBS) wouldn't cover themselves against the eminent departures of UConn and Cincy.
Groin, we understand that this might be a temporary 'marriage of convenience'. We're just saying that more options is better than fewer. Everyone has their eyes open. And I'll trust the C7 to do the smart thing. Heck, UConn and Cincy might be nothing more than C7 stalking horses.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 11, 2013, 04:19:41 PM
This just sounds a little too much like: "Let's get back together, so I can leave you, instead of you leaving me."
Sounds like the lyrics from a bad country and western song.
Proabably is.
This is a joke. If we take UCONN/Cincy back we're just saying: "I know you're planning to stab us in the back, but if we could just be friends until you do..."
Seriously, whatever short-term benefits to adding them are not outweighed by the long-term negatives of HAVING TO DO THIS EVERY FRACKING YEAR
Quote from: MUVA on January 11, 2013, 04:52:26 PM
Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market. Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.
UNC and Duke seem to make it work...
UConn has more national cache than just about every C7 school COMBINED. Plus, they get a piece of the NYC market....a bigger piece than SJU does. SJU is largely considered a commuter school and the problem with that is that their alums are very apathetic when it comes to supporting the school (see: attendance and endowment).
I doubt they join. It's almost a ridiculous idea. Same goes for UC.
When the next tv contract comes up, won't companies offer significantly less because "we don't have uconn and Cincy?"
Quote from: Groin_pull on January 11, 2013, 05:34:49 PM
So how is it good for business to have two schools that don't want to be long-term partners with the C7—and will be looking to bail the moment they join? Will it be good for business to have every media outlet reporting on UConn's and Cincy's constant attempts to join another conference? Will it be good for business to have those same media outlets constantly speculating as to when UConn and Cincy will finally hook up with another conference? Will it be good for business to have the C7 suddenly drop two teams—and then be forced to scramble for two replacements?
Friar fan here, my first post on this site. I agree with Groin's thinking. PR-wise, this would kill our momentum, having to constantly fend off talk of these two schools leaving. Also, some have mentioned this helping with Xavier negotiations, but there isn't anything to discuss with them... they'll be equal partners with all of us within a max of just a couple of years if that long. Our goal is to have everyone in this conference have strong, growing programs.
I would imagine it would help Xavier recruiting wise if they owned their city alone, and could exclusively offer their recruits our tourney in MSG NYC for example. The key is to remember that UConn and Cincy would leave 5 minutes from now to join our biggest rival ACC conference... so we shouldn't actively allow them to keep their programs strong and allow them to compete with us for recruits.
By the way, thanks for allowing me to post here. All of you are welcome to visit our board. Be good to get your opinions over there.
Why is this conversation still going on? The UConn AD already shot this stupid idea down.
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-big-east-meetings-0112-20130111,0,5944129.story
Yea I think the Conn-Cincy thing is a moot point, it's not going to happen.
What do people think about VCU over SLU? I would much rather see SLU because they are a better fit (academically especially), despite the final four appearance of VCU.
This guy always has pretty good info on fball realignment and the like
http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/new-years-conference-realignment-faq-big-ten-mountain-west-big-east-and-catholic-7/
It's not gonna happen. But I'd be fine with UConn, Cincy and any other good basketball schools that also have football.
As long as they'd agree to an iron-clad, no-loopholes, $100 million per school exit fee.
:D
Looking at the Hangin' at the Al board topic listing, I noted that this topic was listed very near the YOU CAN'T BE THAT STUPID AGAIN thread and I figured it wasn't an accident.
This guy is a hack and just spouting the first thing that comes into his head.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 11, 2013, 05:38:55 PM
I'll believe this whole UC + UCONN angle when I see it. The basketball only schools have the leverage (both the C7 and the invitees), why give some of that up. This is like rebound with your ex girlfriend who you don't even like anymore and it wasn't good to begin with. You end just kind of saying..eh.
I agree it's a longshot. Disagree beyond that. This would solidify the C7's leverage and eliminate whatever bit of leverage the "invitees" have - you don't like that but it's good for MU. Also, to say that the whole Big East thing wasn't good to begin with? I thought it was awesome.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 12, 2013, 07:12:28 AM
This guy is a hack and just spouting the first thing that comes into his head.
Blaudschun was the first one to break the C7 decision to split. He worked for USA Today for a long time writing on college football.
Far from a hack.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 12, 2013, 10:39:13 AM
Blaudschun was the first one to break the C7 decision to split. He worked for USA Today for a long time writing on college football.
Far from a hack.
He and Thamel have been the best sources for any news on the split...and they are typically the first to report on any news.